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Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 3:12pm On Feb 10
MaxInDHouse:
You're just been heady for nothing i've told you what my own Bible said! Micah 4:5 wink



And why does "your own Bible" differ from major others? undecided

I told you your version got so many corruptions and editing, which translates contrary to the Truth. So go throw it into the fireplace.

I see you use the same version as Kobojunkie who only comments junk and twists the Bible just like you do.

Well, I see you don't know your Bible either, so I'll keep on mounting the pressure on you until you wake up and quote the real with this clue I just gave you.

Hallow the name of the LORD.
Don't just call His name anyhow as you do, for that is why even our LORD JESUS CHRIST only calls GOD the FATHER, "FATHER".

And explain to me why you brought in Krishna, Zeus, and Buddha into this discussion like you don't have someone to tell you this is not a discussion about them.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Ken4Christ: 3:20pm On Feb 10
MaxInDHouse:


Quote where the Bible said "Jonah died" smiley

Where did he cry from? From hell. You can't go to hell unless you are dead.

Who will be thrown into the ocean and survive for one hour talk more of there days?

Can you breathe under water. Maybe we should use you as an experiment. If you can stay under water for 30 minutes, I will give you 100k.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:51pm On Feb 11
Ken4Christ:


Where did he cry from? From hell. You can't go to hell unless you are dead.

Who will be thrown into the ocean and survive for one hour talk more of there days?

Can you breathe under water. Maybe we should use you as an experiment. If you can stay under water for 30 minutes, I will give you 100k.

So Nigerians referring to the hard situation in the country as Hell are dead shey? smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Ken4Christ: 8:35pm On Feb 11
MaxInDHouse:


So Nigerians referring to the hard situation in the country as Hell are dead shey? smiley

No point arguing with you. You have nothing to say.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:09pm On Feb 11
Ken4Christ:

No point arguing with you. You have nothing to say.
Truth has no duplicate jàre! smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 9:24pm On Feb 11
MaxInDHouse:

Truth has no duplicate jàre! smiley


MaxInDHouse

You got to come back to realize that:

Only those who do not know the One True Living GOD will make the comments you make about the name of GOD.

If you know who your dad is, and you stand before those who know him as well, you don't need to call him by his name before they know who you're talking about when you mention, "My Dad…"… they know who you're talking about already.

But when you stand before those who do not know your dad, even if you mention his full name, they still don't know him and may never know him until you go back to where he is, bring him before them to show him to them.


You asking me of the name of the One True Living LORD GOD ALMIGHTY shows you do not know Him.

Because if you know Him, you won't have asked again when you read One True Living LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

MaxInDHouse, hallow the name of GOD the FATHER as JESUS CHRIST the Son taught us to… and stop calling His name anyhow without respect according to your erroneous and misleading version of the Bible.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:35pm On Feb 11
MaxInDHouse:

Churchians like you are just puffed up with no knowledge and instead of you to learn humbly you will be accusing real disciples of Christ.
Check your version of the Bible and read the preface to find out what was written in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 6:4-5

“Listen, O Israel: JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH. You must love JEHOVAH your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength.
The name JEHOVAH or YAHWEH appeared three times in that passage but since Pharisees and Sadducees decided to stop using the divine name they replaced it with "Adonai" which means "Lord" that is why Jesus continue to lay emphasis on the use and mention of God's name:

“You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your NAME be sanctified" Matthew 6:9

 “I have made your NAME manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word. John 17:6


So when Jesus quoted Moses's words at Deuteronomy 6:4 he mentioned God's name:

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH, and you must love JEHOVAH your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ Mark 12:30-31

So my churchian guy go now and check the preface of your copy of the Bible instead of arguing blindly because Jesus mentioned and used God's name throughout his ministry by referring to God as father simply means that is the father of all creations!
Read Luke 3:23-38 Jesus is supposed to be the son of Joseph who is the son of Adam who is the son of God! smiley


Who told you the Apostles don't used God's name in their ministry?
Oya check your Bible and see where Peter quoted David @ Act 2:34-35 compare to Psalms 110:1
There David sang saying:

"JEHOVAH said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZry54E0bWg?si=jVaSGSAeUS-iqu1x

But the translators of your own version chose to follow the tradition of Pharisees and Sadducees that's why they used Adonai (Lord) to replace God's name hence when you're reading that passage your won't know that someone was issuing orders for Jesus you will just conclude erroneously that the LORD who is the shepherd David meant @ Psalms 23:1 is Jesus instead of JEHOVAH.
So study your Bible personally by comparing what you find in the preface about the divine name with the passages.
Wherever you see the LORD all in capital letters it was God's name that was there originally that's why Psalms 110:1 will confuse most churchians like you because it's obvious that it's about two persons where the greater is giving orders to the lesser! smiley

Westerhoffe:



MaxInDHouse

You got to come back to realize that:

Only those who do not know the One True Living GOD will make the comments you make about the name of GOD.

If you know who your dad is, and you stand before those who know him as well, you don't need to call him by his name before they know who you're talking about when you mention, "My Dad…"… they know who you're talking about already.

But when you stand before those who do not know your dad, even if you mention his full name, they still don't know him and may never know him until you go back to where he is, bring him before them to show him to them.


You asking me of the name of the One True Living LORD GOD ALMIGHTY shows you do not know Him.

Because if you know Him, you won't have asked again when you read One True Living LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

MaxInDHouse, hallow the name of GOD the FATHER as JESUS CHRIST the Son taught us to… and stop calling His name anyhow without respect according to your erroneous and misleading version of the Bible.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 11:52pm On Feb 11
MaxInDHouse


Finally he responds. Now let's delve back into the discussion.

Mark 12 (KJV)
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³⁰ And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
³¹ And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Deuteronomy 6 (KJV)
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⁴ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
⁵ And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.


“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.”
— Matthew 6:9 (KJV)

Acts 2 (KJV)
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³⁴ For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
³⁵ Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

“(Psalm of David.) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.”
— Psalms 110:1 (KJV)


Now tell me, do you see the perversion in your version of the Bible?
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:20am On Feb 12
If the Bible say "NAME" and you don't know it's meaning then there is nothing further to discuss because LORD is a title and not a name. That's why i referred you to the preface of all Bible versions so that you can figure out why these people refused to make use of God's personal name instead of titles like Lord and God but since you joked with it i also like jokes so let the jokes continue. wink

Westerhoffe:

MaxInDHouse
Finally he responds. Now let's delve back into the discussion.
Mark 12 (KJV)
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³⁰ And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
³¹ And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Deuteronomy 6 (KJV)
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⁴ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
⁵ And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.


“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.”
— Matthew 6:9 (KJV)
Acts 2 (KJV)
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³⁴ For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
³⁵ Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
“(Psalm of David.) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.”
— Psalms 110:1 (KJV)

Now tell me, do you see the perversion in your version of the Bible?
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 7:48am On Feb 12
MaxInDHouse:
If the Bible say "NAME" and you don't know it's meaning then there is nothing further to discuss because LORD is a title and not a name. That's why i referred you to the preface of all Bible versions so that you can figure out why these people refused to make use of God's personal name instead of titles like Lord and God but since you joked with it i also like jokes so let the jokes continue. wink



So, you know who I have been talking about is GOD and you keep arguing unreasonably? That's disgusting of your ignorance and pretense.

And… I've known from Day 1 of this discussion that you never even know your Bible, not to talk of my version yet because just as I said, your version had been corrupted and edited to confuse folks like you and prevent them from figuring, knowing, and seeing the Truth.

You said you referred to me a Preface of the Bible!? Really? How does that sound to you?

Was the Preface part of the Bible?
Were all Prefaces of the Bible versions the same?


You see why you should go learn more but first dispose of that thing you have in your hand and go get a better version you'd see through easily and more clearly?

They followed the translations and called GOD "LORD, GOD, ALMIGHTY" because they knew the name of the LORD must be 'hallowed'. Do you see that? 'Hallowed' and not mentioned like you're talking about a mere person.

There are no jokes here man… you just keep saying things that do not relate to the topic in your attempts to explain yourself.

Now let me help you out.


All through until Moses, the real name of GOD was not known, but GOD made Himself known to them as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. But the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY revealed this name to Moses:

Exodus 6 (KJV)
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² And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
³ And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.


But do you think that GOD must have told Abraham at some point, but which Abraham didn't take note of, or possibly he kept a sealed lip to keep the name 'hallowed'?
See this:

“And Abraham called the name of that place 'JEHOVAHJIREH': as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.”
— Genesis 22:14 (KJV)


And what did you see there?
Even the "name" there means "LORD".


Here is why your connection to the One you call upon as the LORD GOD matters. On whom your eyes and heart are fixated.
So my friend, let's wait until we meet CHRIST JESUS in His kingdom in Heaven… for then shall we know the "NAME" of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

“Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.”
— Revelation 3:12 (KJV)


And did you see there that JESUS CHRIST did not still mention the 'exact' name of GOD there in the quoted above?

That should ring a bell.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:57am On Feb 12
Westerhoffe:

So, you know who I have been talking about is GOD and you keep arguing unreasonably? That's disgusting of your ignorance and pretense.

There are many Gods and Lords says the Bible! 1Corinthians 8:5

So it's the name that distinguish each not the capital letters or lower case that's why God's word said:

"For all the peoples will walk, each in the name of its god, But we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God forever and ever" Micah 4:5

If you're insisting on the translators that omit God's personal name in their versions i will never ever agree with you because a NAME totally differs from a TITLE.

Let a million translators render that word with LORD i will tell you all of them are wrong with their translations {Exodus 23:1-2} because that verse is self explanatory! smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Aemmyjah(m): 8:02am On Feb 12
MaxInDHouse:
Was Jonah dead? smiley


Dead Jonah was praying to God for help grin grin grin
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:03am On Feb 12
MaxInDHouse:


There are many Gods and Lords says the Bible! 1Corinthians 8:5

So it's the name that distinguish each not the capital letters or lower case that's why God's word said:

"For all the peoples will walk, each in the name of its god, But we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God forever and ever" Micah 4:5

If you're insisting on the translators that omit God's personal name in their versions i will never ever agree with you because a NAME totally differs from a TITLE.

Let a million translators render that word with LORD i will tell you all of them are wrong with their translations {Exodus 23:1-2} because that verse is self explanatory! smiley


"There are many 'gods and lords' in the Bible."

And this is what Micah 4:5 said, and I quote:

“For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.”
— Micah 4:5 (KJV)


I see how scared and scarred you are to read my comment!
Go back, read, and understand. cheesy cheesy cheesy

Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Aemmyjah(m): 8:05am On Feb 12
MaxInDHouse:

If we tell you that it's not to be taken literally you will start arguing blindly!

You said Satan WILL be cast but the quotation said Satan WAS thrown, so has he been thrown there or will be thrown there? smiley


Same way he could not take it that there are disabled people in the kingdom of God but he wants to push it that someone can go with his complete body to hell cheesy
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:07am On Feb 12
The name of my God is JEHOVAH
What is the NAME of your own God? smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:08am On Feb 12
Aemmyjah:

Same way he could not take it that there are disabled people in the kingdom of God but he wants to push it that someone can go with his complete body to hell cheesy

They're just funny! smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:22am On Feb 12
MaxInDHouse:
The name of my God is JEHOVAH
What is the NAME of your own God? smiley


Mention me when talking to me.

I've given you Biblical proof that "JEHOVAH" means "LORD".

So, what's your argument based on now? cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:29am On Feb 12
Westerhoffe:

"JEHOVAH" means "LORD".
You're quoting God's enemies who are against the use of God's personal name.
They replaced God's personal name with the title LORD that's why i told you to go and read the preface of their translations that's what will open your eyes! wink
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:52am On Feb 12
MaxInDHouse:

You're quoting God's enemies who are against the use of God's personal name.
They replaced God's personal name with the title LORD that's why i told you to go and read the preface of their translations that's what will open your eyes! wink


Enenies you say!? cheesy cheesy cheesy

The enemies of GOD are the ones misleading the people with false doctrines!
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:18am On Feb 12
Westerhoffe:

Enenies you say!? cheesy cheesy cheesy
The enemies of GOD are the ones misleading the people with false doctrines!

Exactly!
So how can you figure out FALSE DOCTRINE? smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 3:26pm On Feb 12
MaxInDHouse:


Exactly!
So how can you figure out FALSE DOCTRINE? smiley


False Doctrines!?

Exactly what you and Kobojunkie had been spreading here!
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:02pm On Feb 12
Westerhoffe:

False Doctrines!?
Exactly what you and Kobojunkie had been spreading here!
Well that's the same thing i will say about you so that's why you should stick to your own god while i stick to mine! smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 11:42pm On Feb 12
MaxInDHouse:

Well that's the same thing i will say about you so that's why you should stick to your own god while i stick to mine! smiley


Then you just admitted we ain't into same GOD and I agree… because your kind of god is full of errors... And clearly, it is not the GOD of Heaven but your Imagination.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:41am On Feb 13
Westerhoffe:

Then you just admitted we ain't into same GOD and I agree… because your kind of god is full of errors... And clearly, it is not the GOD of Heaven but your Imagination.

Na so all worshipers of different gods dey tok as your own different from my own! grin
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 10:48am On Feb 13
MaxInDHouse:


Na so all worshipers of different gods dey tok as your own different from my own! grin



You said it first…
Hold on… how old are you even?
You forget this?


MaxInDHouse:

Well that's the same thing i will say about you so that's why you should stick to your own god while i stick to mine! smiley

If your god were to be the One True Living GOD, then it won't have had such a book to mislead you with your translation and interpretation.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:25pm On Feb 13
Westerhoffe:

You said it first…
Hold on… how old are you even?
You forget this?

If your god were to be the One True Living GOD, then it won't have had such a book to mislead you with your translation and interpretation.

Exactly what i would have said about you and your god. That's why you need to stop childish attitude and think maturely.


I asked you:

How can we figure out false doctrines?

You can't just say a religious doctrine is false without evidence that's scripturally based. smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 6:08pm On Feb 13
MaxInDHouse:


Exactly what i would have said about you and your god. That's why you need to stop childish attitude and think maturely.


I asked you:

How can we figure out false doctrines?

You can't just say a religious doctrine is false without evidence that's scripturally based. smiley


Your doctrines are false because they contradict the truth of the Scriptures.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:41pm On Feb 13
Westerhoffe:

Your doctrines are false because they contradict the truth of the Scriptures.
What is the truth of the scriptures? smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 7:31pm On Feb 13
MaxInDHouse:

What is the truth of the scriptures? smiley


The same truth you contorted and twisted, giving it all your personal interpretation.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:32pm On Feb 13
Westerhoffe:

The same truth you contorted and twisted, giving it all your personal interpretation.
Exactly the same thing i will say about you, so say something reasonable! smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 7:37pm On Feb 13
MaxInDHouse:

Exactly the same thing i will say about you, so say something reasonable! smiley


I'm not expecting you to reject what you have been programmed to say and what you have been fill-fed. But what I'll tell you is, your doctrines are all false.

If you can't get it, you're the one being unreasonable.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:06pm On Feb 13
Westerhoffe:

I'm not expecting you to reject what you have been programmed to say and what you have been fill-fed. But what I'll tell you is, your doctrines are all false.
If you can't get it, you're the one being unreasonable.

Exactly what i will also say to you so you haven't make any point! smiley

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