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TenQ:
Then tell us WHY Bilal said this to Abubakr

Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, " If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."


Again :
Abu Bakr emancipated Bilal FROM Umayyah ibn Khalaf by buying him for himself. He loaned him to Mohammed to be his megaphone for calling Muslims to prayer



Who told you that there is no war or slavery in the Bible?
Is this another Strawman argument!?

Even the children of Isreal were slaves in Egypt and with the Babylonians and with the Assyrians etc And they themselves have captured slaves in war.

The question is about the one you use to entice black people : Bilal was never set free from slavery. If he was, tell us when and the occurence when Abubakr set Bilal free.

You should probably grab the book they wrote on each sahaba and read about Bilal(Rta) if you want to know how he was set free...

Expanse2020:
You should probably grab the book they wrote on each sahaba and read about Bilal(Rta) if you want to know how he was set free...

I think you should explain why Bilal a free man would say this to Abubakr!



Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, "If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."

Ohyoudidnt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XusHThXpT3g?si=1GBW-TbYgFbbATxm

Thank you for diffusing tension with this Israeli song. I've not been able to get the lyrics yet.

Shalom!

TenQ:
Then tell us WHY Bilal said this to Abubakr

Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, " If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."


Again :
Abu Bakr emancipated Bilal FROM Umayyah ibn Khalaf by buying him for himself. He loaned him to Mohammed to be his megaphone for calling Muslims to prayer



Who told you that there is no war or slavery in the Bible?
Is this another Strawman argument!?

Even the children of Isreal were slaves in Egypt and with the Babylonians and with the Assyrians etc And they themselves have captured slaves in war.

The question is about the one you use to entice black people : Bilal was never set free from slavery. If he was, tell us when and the occurence when Abubakr set Bilal free.

Jabir ibn Abdullah reported: Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, used to say, “Abu Bakr is our master and he emancipated our master,” meaning Bilal.


In another narration it is mentioned that when Bilal became a Muslim, his masters took hold of him and laid him on the ground and placed stones and cow skin on him and said, “Your gods are Lat and Uzza [names of idols].” However, Bilal(ra) would only repeat, “Ahad, Ahad [God is One, God is One].”
Abu bakr but him from his master and bilall asked him did you buy me for yourself or you buy me in order to perform his duty to Allah

Abu Bakr(ra) approached his masters and said, “For how long will you continue to torment this man?” Abu Bakr paid seven auqiyah for Bilal and freed him.
Thereafter, Abu Bakr(ra) narrated this incident to the Prophet Muhammad pbuh, upon which the Holy Prophet(sa) said, “O Abu Bakr! Include me in this deed as well.” Abu Bakr replied, “O Prophet(sa) of Allah! I have already freed him.” (Ibn Sa‘d, Al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, Vol. 3, Bilal bin Rabah [Beirut, Lebanon: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyyah, 2017]

The verses of Quran was revealed in following verses of the Holy Quran:

"He who gives in charity and fears Allah And in all sincerity testifies to the Truth; We shall indeed make smooth for him the path of Bliss" {92:5-7}

"Those who spend their wealth for increase in self-purification; And have in their minds no favor from any one For which a reward is expected in return, But only the desire to seek the Countenance, Of their Lord, Most High; And soon they shall attain complete satisfaction." {92:8-21}

Are you satisfied

I know you have asked alot of people hear and they have gave u the answer...
You are just wailing up and down

TenQ:
Unfortunately for you: Jesus is no ordinary human being.
Is it untrue that, According to your religion, Jesus is the Word of Allah and a Spirit from Him.

It is wonderful that we Christians are bailed out by the Divine and it take us Christians and Jews to bail you out from Hell.

Secondly,
Why then did Allah say that he would sacrifice Christians and Jews so that you Muslims can enter Al-Jahanna.

Sahih Muslim 2767 a
Abu Musa' reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your rescue from Hell-Fire.

Sahih Muslim 2767 b
Abu Burda reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said:
No Muslim would die but Allah would admit in his stead a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire. 'Umar b. Abd al-'Aziz took an oath: By One besides Whom there is no god but He, thrice that his father had narrated that to him from Allah's Messenger (ﷺ).

Why is Allah using ordinary Christians and Jews for the Salvation of you Muslims.

The Kufar will surely enter the hell fire and who are the Kufar the christians, Jew and the pagan that don't worship the right God which is ALLAH
So if you know you are among then start preparing yourself for the hell😂😂😂😂😂

TenQ:
Summary :.
As usual as Muslims we cannot trust our hadiths as they are lies and fabrications mostly!

What do you insinuate as untrustworthy about these hadith? They are trustworthy it's only the time when these occurrences happened that is different. One refers to a much earlier time than the other.

TenQ:
In other words if it is Pre-Islamic, then Islam had not yet started.


Then explain why Bilal said this :

Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, " If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."

Hopefully the joke would not rest on you in a regretful manner.


When Abu Bakr bought Bilal from his owner, he intended to set him free for the sake of Allah. However, Bilal, being a man of deep faith and understanding, wanted to ensure that Abu Bakr’s intention was pure and solely for the sake of Allah. He asked; “If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah’s Sake, then leave me for Allah’s Work.”

This statement by Bilal reflects his humility, devotion to Allah, and his desire to serve the cause of Islam. By questioning Abu Bakr’s intention, he emphasized the importance of sincerity and purity of intention in all actions, especially those done in the name of religion.

Abu Bakr, who later became the first caliph of Islam, purchased Bilal’s freedom and set him free. However, Bilal’s response to Abu Bakr’s act of kindness demonstrates his unwavering commitment to serving Allah above all else. By expressing his willingness to serve Allah’s cause rather than being owned by anyone, Bilal exemplified the importance of sincerity and dedication in one’s faith.

Expanse2020:
Jabir ibn Abdullah reported: Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, used to say, “Abu Bakr is our master and he emancipated our master,” meaning Bilal.


In another narration it is mentioned that when Bilal became a Muslim, his masters took hold of him and laid him on the ground and placed stones and cow skin on him and said, “Your gods are Lat and Uzza [names of idols].” However, Bilal(ra) would only repeat, “Ahad, Ahad [God is One, God is One].”
Abu bakr but him from his master and bilall asked him did you buy me for yourself or you buy me in order to perform his duty to Allah

Abu Bakr(ra) approached his masters and said, “For how long will you continue to torment this man?” Abu Bakr paid seven auqiyah for Bilal and freed him.
Thereafter, Abu Bakr(ra) narrated this incident to the Prophet Muhammad pbuh, upon which the Holy Prophet(sa) said, “O Abu Bakr! Include me in this deed as well.” Abu Bakr replied, “O Prophet(sa) of Allah! I have already freed him.” (Ibn Sa‘d, Al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, Vol. 3, Bilal bin Rabah [Beirut, Lebanon: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyyah, 2017]

The verses of Quran was revealed in following verses of the Holy Quran:

"He who gives in charity and fears Allah And in all sincerity testifies to the Truth; We shall indeed make smooth for him the path of Bliss" {92:5-7}

"Those who spend their wealth for increase in self-purification; And have in their minds no favor from any one For which a reward is expected in return, But only the desire to seek the Countenance, Of their Lord, Most High; And soon they shall attain complete satisfaction." {92:8-21}

Are you satisfied

I know you have asked alot of people hear and they have gave u the answer...
You are just wailing up and down

Just a little point your reinvention of story didn't cover.

Bilal was a slave and thus couldn't be a master at the same time.

Do you know what it proves?

The statement :
"Jabir ibn Abdullah reported: Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, used to say, “Abu Bakr is our master and he emancipated our master,” meaning Bilal."

could NOT have been made when Abubakr emancipated Bilal FROM Umayyah ibn Khalaf by buying him for himself.

This rubishes all your cock and bull story to rewrite history

Expanse2020:
The Kufar will surely enter the hell fire and who are the Kufar the christians, Jew and the pagan that don't worship the right God which is ALLAH
So if you know you are among then start preparing yourself for the hell😂😂😂😂😂

Muslims are the only people who rubishes the words of their God for the narration of men..

Qur'an 2.62
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.


So this above is untrue!?

honesttalk21:
What do you insinuate as untrustworthy about these hadith? They are trustworthy it's only the time when these occurrences happened that is different. One refers to a much earlier time than the other.

It doesn't look so sir!
I think it was you who said Bilal wasn't Allowed to do Jihad (I hope I'm correct) and that was why he said to Abubakr to either continue to hold him as a slave or free him.

Are you changing your narrative?

TenQ:
Just a little point your reinvention of story didn't cover.

Bilal was a slave and thus couldn't be a master at the same time.

Do you know what it proves?

The statement :
"Jabir ibn Abdullah reported: Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, used to say, “Abu Bakr is our master and he emancipated our master,” meaning Bilal."

could NOT have been made when Abubakr emancipated Bilal FROM Umayyah ibn Khalaf by buying him for himself.

This rubishes all your cock and bull story to rewrite history

Mumu you English is worrying Abi you don't Know the meaning of the emancipation
😂😂😂😂
The narrator was referring how he and bilall called Abu bakr has there Master(Maola) who free them from slavery...you better go back school

honesttalk21:
Hopefully the joke would not rest on you in a regretful manner.


When Abu Bakr bought Bilal from his owner, he intended to set him free for the sake of Allah. However, Bilal, being a man of deep faith and understanding, wanted to ensure that Abu Bakr’s intention was pure and solely for the sake of Allah. He asked; “If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah’s Sake, then leave me for Allah’s Work.”

This statement by Bilal reflects his humility, devotion to Allah, and his desire to serve the cause of Islam. By questioning Abu Bakr’s intention, he emphasized the importance of sincerity and purity of intention in all actions, especially those done in the name of religion.

Abu Bakr, who later became the first caliph of Islam, purchased Bilal’s freedom and set him free. However, Bilal’s response to Abu Bakr’s act of kindness demonstrates his unwavering commitment to serving Allah above all else. By expressing his willingness to serve Allah’s cause rather than being owned by anyone, Bilal exemplified the importance of sincerity and dedication in one’s faith.

How Muslims can lie!?

Does this even make sense to you?

Bilal that was being tortured intensely by Umayyah ibn Khalaf and Co while he was repeatedly saying AHAD , AHAD...
What you are saying is that Bilal was not grateful for being bought and saved from this wicked master by Abubakr(the rich man) for himself but is concerned about wanting to ensure that Abu Bakr’s intention was pure and solely for the sake of Allah.


Please tell another Lie as this one is completely sensible in reverse. Must you conjure this magnitude of nonsensical impossibilities just to keep up some arguments!?

Of course, the Spirit of Taqqiya runs through all your scholars as you probably just copied it without thinking that it has the ability to fit common sense!

Expanse2020:
Mumu you English is worrying Abi you don't Know the meaning of the emancipation
😂😂😂😂
The narrator was referring how he and bilall called Abu bakr has there Master(Maola) who free them from slavery...you better go back school

Truly it was Emancipation from Umayyah ibn Khalaf but not from Abubakr otherwise there is no need for a free man to give the statement of Bilal.

Bilal is simply challenging Abubakr to set him free if Indeed he bought him for the sake of Allah.

It is you who need to go back to learn English comprehension

“Abu Bakr is our master and he emancipated our master,” meaning Bilal."

According to the text above, who is the " our Master "?

TenQ:
It doesn't look so sir!
I think it was you who said Bilal wasn't Allowed to do Jihad (I hope I'm correct) and that was why he said to Abubakr to either continue to hold him as a slave or free him.

Are you changing your narrative?

Indeed you don't even know what is Jihad. I wouldn't waste time asking you.

The literal meaning of Jihad is struggle or effort.

It refers to the spiritual struggle that Muslims undertake to improve themselves, adhere to Islamic principles, and serve the greater good of the Muslim community and society at large. It is an essential aspect of Islamic faith and practice, emphasizing personal growth, self-discipline, and devotion to Allah.

Bilal recognized that his individual freedom was secondary to the higher calling of serving Allah and supporting the defense and propagation of Islam. For Bilal, the opportunity to contribute to jihad was a higher honor and priority than any personal interests or worldly obligations.

TenQ:
1. Did Jesus recited the shahada?
2. Can any one become a Muslim without saying the phrase "and Mohammed is his Messanger!"
3. Is it untrue that Mohammed is the first of you Muslims?

Sunan an-Nasa'i 898
It was narrated from Muhammad bin Maslamah that:
When the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) stood to offer a voluntary prayer he would say: "... (Allah is Most Great. Verily, I have turned my face toward Him who created the Heavens and the Earth hanifa (worhsipping none but Allah Alone), as a Muslim, and I am not of the idolaters. Verily, my Salah, my sacrifice, my living, and my dying are for Allah, the Lord of the all that exists. He has no partner. And of this I have been commanded, and I am the first of the Muslims. O Allah, You are the Sovereign and there is none worthy of worship but You, glory and praise be to You.)" Then he would recite.


Sunan Ibn Majah 3121
It was narrated that Jabir bin ‘Abdullah said:
“The Messenger of Allah sacrificed two rams on the Day of ‘Eid. When he turned them to face towards the prayer direction he said: ‘Verily, I have turned my face towards Him Who has created the heavens and the earth, as a monotheist, and I am not of the polytheists. Verily, my prayer, my sacrifice, my living, and my dying are for Allah, the Lord of all that exists. He has no partner. And of this I have been commanded, and I am the first of the Muslims. [6:79,162-163] O Allah, from You to You, on behalf of Muhammad and his nation.’”

4. Can any Muslim call God Father?


You just love lies and self deception!.
Can you please give at least one evidence that ANY of the prophets you know call themselves Muslims?


How does it sound if I call Mohammed a Christian? Would that not be stupidity?

1. Jesus affirm that there is only one God, that's what the sahada connote

2. No, the message came to the prophet Muhammad not the other prophets that had left, they all have different purpose with the same mission, so if anyone should accept Islam you must affirm there is only one God and Muhammad is a prophet of God. Mind you Jesus and all other prophets recognize only one God and not trinity.

3. First as how? Muhammad s.a.w is the last prophet and he is the one God use to perfect his religion for all mankind.

4. No Muslims can refer to God as father

In the bible there are numerous verses where Jesus Christ PBUH refer to God as God and not father, Bible is full of many mistakes, contradictions, and errors is something that you know, so we Muslims will hold on to where Jesus Christ PBUH refer to God as God and not father.....


Now I have answer your question, it is now your turn


1. If Jesus Christ PBUH is not a Muslim then tell us the name of his religion

2. Did Jesus Christ PBUH believe in oneness of God or Trinity?

3. How does Jesus Christ PBUH worship his God.

4. Is there any correlation between how Jesus Christ PBUH worshiped his God and how Christians Paul's followers are worshiping their god Paul

TenQ:
How Muslims can lie!?

Does this even make sense to you?

Bilal that was being tortured intensely by Umayyah ibn Khalaf and Co while he was repeatedly saying AHAD , AHAD...
What you are saying is that Bilal was not grateful for being bought and saved from this wicked master by Abubakr(the rich man) for himself but is concerned about wanting to ensure that Abu Bakr’s intention was pure and solely for the sake of Allah.


Please tell another Lie as this one is completely sensible in reverse. Must you conjure this magnitude of nonsensical impossibilities just to keep up some arguments!?

Of course, the Spirit of Taqqiya runs through all your scholars as you probably just copied it without thinking that it has the ability to fit common sense!

What did Bilal mean by saying Ahad? Will he change that?

When Bilal accepted the Holy Prophet pbuh, he was persecuted through different means. When people would intensify their punishment against Bilal, he would say, “Ahad, Ahad” [i.e., God is one, God is one]. His tormentors would tell him to repeat as they did but in reply, Bilal(ra) would say, “My tongue cannot utter such a thing.” According to another narration, when the mushrikeen [idolaters] would punish him so that they could deter him away from his belief,Bilal would respond by saying, “Allah, Allah.” (Ibn Sa‘d, Al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, Vol. 3, Bilal bin Rabah [Beirut, Lebanon: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-‘Arabi, 2017] 175) (Ali Ibn al-Athir, Usd al-Ghabah fi Ma‘rifat al-Sahabah, Vol. 1, Bilal bin Rabah [Beirut, Lebanon: Dar al-Fikr, 2003]

TenQ:
Muslims are the only people who rubishes the words of their God for the narration of men..

Qur'an 2.62
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.


So this above is untrue!?

Now the question is do you believe in Allah?
You this hypocrite, do you believe in prophet Muhammad s.a.w. that verse is talking to the Christians, Jews and the likes who believe in ALLAH you too read and understand. Do you believe in ALLAH?

ahmedio2017:
1. Jesus affirm that there is only one God, that's what the sahada connote

2. No, the message came to the prophet Muhammad not the other prophets that had left, they all have different purpose with the same mission, so if anyone should accept Islam you must affirm there is only one God and Muhammad is a prophet of God. Mind you Jesus and all other prophets recognize only one God and not trinity.

3. First as how? Muhammad s.a.w is the last prophet and he is the one God use to perfect his religion for all mankind.

4. No Muslims can refer to God as father

In the bible there are numerous verses where Jesus Christ PBUH refer to God as God and not father, Bible is full of many mistakes, contradictions, and errors is something that you know, so we Muslims will hold on to where Jesus Christ PBUH refer to God as God and not father.....


Now I have answer your question, it is now your turn


1. If Jesus Christ PBUH is not a Muslim then tell us the name of his religion

2. Did Jesus Christ PBUH believe in oneness of God or Trinity?

3. How does Jesus Christ PBUH worship his God.

4. Is there any correlation between how Jesus Christ PBUH worshiped his God and how Christians Paul's followers are worshiping their god Paul

Ode, Jesus said he's the begotten child of God!

Jesus didn't worship any black stone idol deity called Allah at kabba.

Jesus was an African Jew, not an Arab man.

First man was a black man thus why Abraham's children had to be Africans to fulfill the promise while fitting into the African continent. Without that, Abraham was useless! That was why Abraham was asked to come to black country. That was why Jacob was black. That was why Jacob and his black children had to go to Black Egypt land to mingle with other blacks to beget more bigger Black generations. It was the Black generations that was needed to fit into Canan which was an African land. Coupled with the fact that the first man on earth was a black man📍, so it had to be a black man.

Dsimmer:
Ode, Jesus said he's the son of God!

Jesus didn't worship any black stone idol deity called Allah at kabba.

Jesus was an African Jew, not an Arab man.

First man was a black man thus why Abraham's children had to be Africans to fit into the African continent. Without that, Abraham was useless! That was why Abraham was asked to come to black country. That was why Jacob was black. That was why Jacob and his black children had to go to Black Egypt land to mingle with other blacks to become bigger Black generations. It was the Black generations that was needed to fit into Canan which was African land. Coupled with the fact that the first man on earth was a black man📍, so it had to be a black man.

A whole prophets are useless Abraham, ismheal, why ? You lack manner and respect, Paul didn't teach you guys morality at all .what a waste

ahmedio2017:
A whole prophets are useless Abraham, ismheal, why ? You lack manner and respect, Paul didn't teach you guys morality at all .what a waste

What nonsensical prophets? You dey craze?

According to who? One useless pedophilic terrorist Arab man worshipping a quraysh stone idol deity called allah?

I repeat, Jesus said he's the begotten child of God!

Secondly, Jesus was an African Jew, not an Arab man!

Thirdly, Jesus worshipped no black stone idol deity called allah.

Fourthly, Jacob was black, as well as his
children who had to stay in Egypt to beget more Black generations because the first man on earth was a black man!

ahmedio2017:
Now the question is do you believe in Allah?
You this hypocrite, do you believe in prophet Muhammad s.a.w. that verse is talking to the Christians, Jews and the likes who believe in ALLAH you too read and understand. Do you believe in ALLAH?

Salvation is not guaranteed for any religious group solely based on their religious identity. Instead, it is conditional upon belief in Allah, the Last Day, and righteous deeds. This means that not all Christians may be eligible for the promise of salvation mentioned in Quran 2:62.

ahmedio2017:
Now the question is do you believe in Allah?
You this hypocrite, do you believe in prophet Muhammad s.a.w. that verse is talking to the Christians, Jews and the likes who believe in ALLAH you too read and understand. Do you believe in ALLAH?

You are the Muslim and I can only convince you from your book of Allah.

Did not Allah also state that

Qur'an 29:46:
"And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, 'We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.'"

Is this false?

Ohyoudidnt:
Salvation is not guaranteed for any religious group solely based on their religious identity. Instead, it is conditional upon belief in Allah, the Last Day, and righteous deeds. This means that not all Christians may be eligible for the promise of salvation mentioned in Quran 2:62.

Why are you now quoting the verse in the first instance, are you telling me you didn't understand English language? That ayah is talking about the Christians who believe in ALLAH, the oneness of God and not trinity o, and believe in the day of judgement and also do good.

The problems of you guys is wide,, some of you believe in God while some is calling Jesus God as a result they are worshiping Jesus Christ PBUH instead of God. Jesus Christ PBUH said it is ONLY God that you should worship, your God and my God. He didn't said they should worship him neither does he recognize trinity...

honesttalk21:
What did Bilal mean by saying Ahad? Will he change that?

When Bilal accepted the Holy Prophet pbuh, he was persecuted through different means. When people would intensify their punishment against Bilal, he would say, “Ahad, Ahad” [i.e., God is one, God is one]. His tormentors would tell him to repeat as they did but in reply, Bilal(ra) would say, “My tongue cannot utter such a thing.” According to another narration, when the mushrikeen [idolaters] would punish him so that they could deter him away from his belief,Bilal would respond by saying, “Allah, Allah.” (Ibn Sa‘d, Al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, Vol. 3, Bilal bin Rabah [Beirut, Lebanon: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-‘Arabi, 2017] 175) (Ali Ibn al-Athir, Usd al-Ghabah fi Ma‘rifat al-Sahabah, Vol. 1, Bilal bin Rabah [Beirut, Lebanon: Dar al-Fikr, 2003]

Unfortunately, I even trued to look for the Book of Ibn Sa'd and only two ahmadiya sites quoted the above.

Not withstanding, this is not my aim yet.

Your argument is heavily flawed

Bilal that was being tortured intensely by Umayyah ibn Khalaf and Co while he was repeatedly saying AHAD , AHAD...
What you are saying is that Bilal was not grateful for being bought and saved from this wicked master by Abubakr(the rich man) for himself but is concerned about wanting to ensure that Abu Bakr’s intention was pure and solely for the sake of Allah.

This doesn't make sense sir: it is completely illogical!

Dsimmer:
Ode, Jesus said he's the begotten child of God!

Jesus didn't worship any black stone idol deity called Allah at kabba.

Jesus was an African Jew, not an Arab man.

First man was a black man thus why Abraham's children had to be Africans to fulfill the promise while fitting into the African continent. Without that, Abraham was useless! That was why Abraham was asked to come to black country. That was why Jacob was black. That was why Jacob and his black children had to go to Black Egypt land to mingle with other blacks to beget more bigger Black generations. It was the Black generations that was needed to fit into Canan which was an African land. Coupled with the fact that the first man on earth was a black man📍, so it had to be a black man.

You are just saying rubbish, you should rather said PAUL said,,,,, not Jesus OKAY? Jesus Christ PBUH said it is ONLY God that you should serve my God and your God. So your Trinity is rubbing, not recognized. It belongs to Paul.

TenQ:
You are the Muslim and I can only convince you from your book of Allah.

Did not Allah also state that

Qur'an 29:46:
"And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, 'We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.'"

Is this false?

What's the correlation here now? You are just quoting Quran without any basis, what are you trying to insinuate now? Are you not committing injustice now? Where did you guys see Trinity? Are you guys not associating other gods to Almighty God?

ahmedio2017:
1. Jesus affirm that there is only one God, that's what the sahada connote

Just as every Christian affirm that there is one God.

1Cor 8:6:
"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

ahmedio2017:
2. No, the message came to the prophet Muhammad not the other prophets that had left, they all have different purpose with the same mission, so if anyone should accept Islam you must affirm there is only one God and Muhammad is a prophet of God. Mind you Jesus and all other prophets recognize only one God and not trinity.

1. Unlike other prophets, Did Allah speak directly to Mohammed or was it Jibril?
2. Tell me any other prophet in history who [b]associates his name with that of his God [/b]other than Mohammed?

Or it is untrue that Mohammed associate his name and knowledge in partnership with Allah's name.?

ahmedio2017:
3. First as how? Muhammad s.a.w is the last prophet and he is the one God use to perfect his religion for all mankind.

By their fruit you shall know them.
By the fruit of Mohammed he cannot be a messenger of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Who told you that he is the Last prophet?
What is the evidence that he was sent by God? Every prophet was given a sign for his people to authenticate that they were sent by God.

A person who created a religion of Idolatory from the religion of the Jews and Christians.
Don't you kiss the black stone again?

ahmedio2017:
4. No Muslims can refer to God as father

Then Jesus cannot be a Muslim as He calls God Father and asked us his followers to call God our Father.

ahmedio2017:
In the bible there are numerous verses where Jesus Christ PBUH refer to God as God and not father, Bible is full of many mistakes, contradictions, and errors is something that you know, so we Muslims will hold on to where Jesus Christ PBUH refer to God as God and not father.....


Now I have answer your question, it is now your turn

Because, God is both our God and Father!

ahmedio2017:
1. If Jesus Christ PBUH is not a Muslim then tell us the name of his religion

If God cannot have a religion, Jesus cannot have a religion.
Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allāh is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allāh, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allāh - Allāh has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
Even Allah acknowledged that we Christians claim that Allah is the Messiah!
How can the Messiah have a religion if He is Allah himself?

ahmedio2017:
2. Did Jesus Christ PBUH believe in oneness of God or Trinity?

Trinity is the oneness of God!

ahmedio2017:
3. How does Jesus Christ PBUH worship his God.

I think you should tell me how the Messiah worshipped the Father?

He spoke to His father in Heaven.
He Hallowed His Father in Heaven.

I guess you should show me how Jesus performed Ablution snorting water through his nose and reciting Al-Fathia in prayers?

ahmedio2017:
4. Is there any correlation between how Jesus Christ PBUH worshiped his God and how Christians Paul's followers are worshiping their god Paul

According you your religion, is it untrue that Paul was an Apostle of Jesus?



Again:
Can you please give at least one evidence that ANY of the prophets you know call themselves Muslims?

honesttalk21:
Indeed you don't even know what is Jihad. I wouldn't waste time asking you.

The literal meaning of Jihad is struggle or effort.

It refers to the spiritual struggle that Muslims undertake to improve themselves, adhere to Islamic principles, and serve the greater good of the Muslim community and society at large. It is an essential aspect of Islamic faith and practice, emphasizing personal growth, self-discipline, and devotion to Allah.

Bilal recognized that his individual freedom was secondary to the higher calling of serving Allah and supporting the defense and propagation of Islam. For Bilal, the opportunity to contribute to jihad was a higher honor and priority than any personal interests or worldly obligations.

Are you denying your post again for the excuse for why Bilal told Abubakr to set him free or release him for Allah..

Was the Jihad not qualified as War?

It's your post o not mine!

ahmedio2017:
What's the correlation here now? You are just quoting Quran without any basis, what are you trying to insinuate now? Are you not committing injustice now? Where did you guys see Trinity? Are you guys not associating other gods to Almighty God?

You asked a question on if Christians and Jews believe in Allah! And,
I am showing you what your Allah says about us Christians!

Is this statement of Allah false and Are you denying it?

I guess I need to spank you Muslims on the failure of your doctrine of Taoheed: but I don't have your time now. If you know it's limitation, you will keep quiet on Trinity.


Are you Muslims note shameless to associate the name and the knowledge of a sinning human being called Mohammed with that of Allah?

TenQ:
Unfortunately, I even trued to look for the Book of Ibn Sa'd and only two ahmadiya sites quoted the above.

Not withstanding, this is not my aim yet.

Your argument is heavily flawed

Bilal that was being tortured intensely by Umayyah ibn Khalaf and Co while he was repeatedly saying AHAD , AHAD...
What you are saying is that Bilal was not grateful for being bought and saved from this wicked master by Abubakr(the rich man) for himself but is concerned about wanting to ensure that Abu Bakr’s intention was pure and solely for the sake of Allah.

This doesn't make sense sir: it is completely illogical!

You don't see that despite all what was metted out to Bilal as torture to denounce his faith he didn't. He was ready to die. So even if he was grateful it's good he makes sure he wasn't leaving one problem and going straight into another.

TenQ:
Are you denying your post again for the excuse for why Bilal told Abubakr to set him free or release him for Allah..

Was the Jihad not qualified as War?

It's your post o not mine!

I am not denying my post. Does what I say contradict it? Define or discuss Jihad if you prefer to see that my subsequent posts contradict it. Is Jihad just war?-

TenQ:
Truly it was Emancipation from Umayyah ibn Khalaf but not from Abubakr otherwise there is no need for a free man to give the statement of Bilal.

Bilal is simply challenging Abubakr to set him free if Indeed he bought him for the sake of Allah.

It is you who need to go back to learn English comprehension

“Abu Bakr is our master and he emancipated our master,” meaning Bilal."

According to the text above, who is the " our Master "?

Shot up when he bought him
He asked Abu bakr did you bought me for your own personal gain or you bought me to free me for Islam
Stop worrying yourself if you cannot comprehend simple English na your problem be that.

honesttalk21:
You don't see that despite all what was metted out to Bilal as torture to denounce his faith he didn't. He was ready to die. So even if he was grateful it's good he makes sure he wasn't leaving one problem and going straight into another.



I am not denying my post. Does what I say contradict it? Define or discuss Jihad if you prefer to see that my subsequent posts contradict it. Is Jihad just war?-

Don't mind the Mumu he will be twisting it...