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Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 4:51pm On Mar 01 |
Ohyoudidnt:And this scripture has been fulfilled if you don't know. Jesus spoke about it and in 70AD, Israel was sacked and the land became desolate throden by Gentiles, Wild Animals and Muslims until 1948 when it seems there was no hope for them. What do you think Bani Israel was doing in Arabia when Mohammed was slaughtering a whole community of 700 males in one single community? Too bad for you, you should have read Jeremiah 29:14: "I will be found by you," declares the LORD, "and will bring you back from captivity. I will gather you from all the nations and places where I have banished you," declares the LORD, "and will bring you back to the place from which I carried you into exile." |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 5:06pm On Mar 01 |
Expanse2020:You have started your lies again In terms of YES and NO, what were the answers you gave for each of the questions below Questions; 1. Can Allah be Above the seven heavens and be below it at the same time? 2. If it is true that Allah descends every third part of the night to the lowest heavens, doe it not mean that Allah is perpetually on earth? 3. If Muslims will see Allah physically in paradise, does it not show that Allah is limited? 4. If it is true that Allah will change his shape when he appears to Muslims in paradise, what happens to Allah's first shape? 5. If Allah is too big to enter into his creation, how then does he descend from his throne to the lowest heaven? 6. What is special with Taoheed of Allah since we know that Iblis is also one and unique? This is the way you answer questions Question : Who was the last President of Nigeria? Your kind of Response: Nigeria got her independence from Great Britain under the Rulership of Queen Elizabeth who. died last year. Her son, Prince Charles is not the King of England. Nigeria has many tribes of which the three Biggest are Hausa, Yoruba and Ibo. The population of Nigeria is about 350million now. Nigeria is bordered by Togo, Cameroon, Niger and Chad Republic..... Is this how a question is answered? What has this got to do with the question of who the last president of Nigeria was? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 5:06pm On Mar 01 |
TenQ: Reference please? The word “دَحَـهَا” in Quran 79:30 is often translated as “spread out” or “flattened” in the context of the earth. However, it does not necessarily imply a flat earth as some may claim. Linguistic Analysis of the Word “دَحَـهَا” Da-ha-haa The word “دَحَـهَا” is derived from the root “d-h-h”, which generally means to spread or extend something. In the context of Quran 79:30, it is used to describe the earth being spread out or extended. This does not inherently mean a flat earth, as the same root can be used to describe spreading out or extending something in a flat or curved manner. Scientific Accuracy of Quran 79:30 The scientific accuracy of Quran 79:30 is not compromised by the use of the word “دَحَـهَا”, as it does not necessarily imply a flat earth. In fact, the verse goes on to describe the earth as being “outstretched” and the heavens being “raised high”, which can be interpreted as a reflection of the scientific understanding of the spherical shape of both the earth and the heavens. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 5:27pm On Mar 01 |
Expanse2020: Can you see how you dodged ALL my questions as usual? Luk 9:35: "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him." Expanse2020: John 5:19: "Then answered Jesus and said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do: for what things soever he does, these also does the Son likewise." Expanse2020:Is God's name the Truth ? Is God's name the Life ? 1. Jesus is Al-Azeez (the Almighty) Rev 1:8: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." 2. Jesus is Al-Muhyee (the Life) John 14:6: "Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the LIFE: no man comes to the Father, but by me." 3. Jesus is Al-Haqq (the Truth) John 14:6: "Jesus said to him, I am the way, the TRUTH: and the Life no man comes to the Father, but by me." Who is the one called Al-Azeez? Who is the one called Al-Muhyee? Who. is the one called AL-HAQQ? See how easy it is to answer your own questions? Till tomorrow, I am still awaiting you to answer my questions? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 5:28pm On Mar 01 |
Expanse2020: So who has the spirit that descended from heaven. The spirit must belong to someone in heaven, isn't it? So who is the owner...you tell me. The spirit of God indicates the presence of God. If the spirit of God came down from heaven into the son, who is speaking in heaven? As U can see, that's Trinity. Psalm 139.7 Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? 8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. Again show me where Moses or any elder called Jesus my son. Just one verse. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 5:32pm On Mar 01 |
SIRTee15:A 🕊️ came out and a voice came out does that mean it's voice God Ok Explain the verse after the pabtism Jesus himself said no one has hear God voice I. Your own statement |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 5:37pm On Mar 01 |
Ohyoudidnt:Are you saying that Mohammed lied that Allah comes down every day at the third part of the night? Your prophet said: Muslims Sahih Muslim 758a Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: Our Lord, the Blessed and the Exalted, descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the latter part of the night is left, and says: Who supplicates Me so that I may answer him? Who asks Me so that I may give to him? Who asks Me forgiveness so that I may forgive him? If the earth was flat, this is possible but the earth is spherical! It means that Allah is trapped perpetually on the earth Is this hadith a fabrication of Mohammed? Secondly, If the earth is not flat, why did Allah through Mohammed order you to pray towards Mecca? Tell me how people who. live in Australia should face the Kaaba when praying to Allah? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 5:43pm On Mar 01 |
Expanse2020:First, Where did you get the underlined? Are you fabricating words for Jesus? Qur'an 27:8 But when he reached it, a voice called out: "Blessed is He who is in the fire and all around it. Praised be God, the Lord of all the worlds. Was Allah inside the fire? Who is in the fire? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 6:00pm On Mar 01 |
Expanse2020: At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. Who is the owner of that spirit, that's my question. Who did Jesus say is his father? Jesus didnt say no one has heard the voice of the father, that's you lying agaisnt Jesus and putting words in his mouth. Jesus said You have never heard his voice- Jesus was talking to the pharisees. Prophets of GOD including Abraham and Moses heard from God. The only prophet who never heard the voice of God was muhammed. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 6:24pm On Mar 01 |
TenQ: The qibla direction for Muslims is determined based on the shortest path, known as the great-circle route, between their current location and the Kaaba in Mecca. This calculation takes into account the curvature of the Earth to ensure that Muslims are facing towards Mecca during their prayers. If the Earth were flat, the concept of facing a specific direction towards Mecca would not be feasible for Muslims around the globe. On a flat Earth, determining a universal qibla direction would be impossible, as different locations would have different directions pointing towards Mecca. The curvature of the Earth plays a crucial role in accurately calculating the qibla direction for Muslims worldwide. In conclusion, if the Earth were flat, it would not be possible for all Muslims to face towards Mecca during prayer due to the geographical implications of a flat surface. The spherical shape of the Earth allows for accurate qibla calculations that enable Muslims globally to orient themselves towards the Kaaba in Mecca during their worship. NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration) is a reliable source for information on astronomy and Earth’s shape, supporting the understanding of how the Earth’s curvature affects directional calculations. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 6:29pm On Mar 01 |
SIRTee15:How could you said I put word on Jesus mouth 🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is what Jesus said The Father who sent me, confirmed me. And you missed it. You never heard his voice, you never saw his appearance. So where did I put word on his mouth Immediately after the pabtism you said a dove and a voice come out of heaven and there is people there at as witness wright But when they asked Jesus he told the you never hear the voice or sees is appearance Don't you see the verses are contradicting Then after he said that he even shun John that what he heard was not from God that his memory had disappear... He doesn't have knowledge about what he his saying Jesus himself claimed they never hear God or sees God and you are defending nothing Common |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 6:34pm On Mar 01 |
Ohyoudidnt:Mumu man If the earth is flat when you should be seeing the ship going Far from you but what make it disappear after sometime.. What makes earth look as if the sky is touch the ground from far.. If you said the Earth is flat them we should totally condemned the bible too |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 6:36pm On Mar 01 |
TenQ: You really think it is a one of occurrence? Are there people in this age that still worship Baal? Does your Bible not say even if fundamentally wrong that Jesus says not all truly call him master? Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 6:45pm On Mar 01 |
TenQ:How does he is it because Allah is everliveth he does not dies even for a single seconds he doesn't sleep talkless of die for a minute... Don't compare mere human like me that sleep, sheet, pee to the almighty Allah🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 7:24pm On Mar 01 |
Expanse2020: U becoming incoherent. I think we just wasting time now. You be been busted once again. U kept skipping the phrase 'spirit of God' in Mathew 3. Whether it's deliberate I don't know. But what's certain is that spirit of God belongs to someone- who is the owner of the spirit. In John 5 U quoted, who was Jesus speaking to.... Are are the 'You' Jesus was referring to.... Either answer the questions otherwise I will ignore u. Don't have time for waffling.... |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 7:45pm On Mar 01 |
SIRTee15:But you keep decieving yourself because you know what they wrote there and you can see that Jesus even nullify what John said and even checkmate John there... Ok let assuming the spirit come down as a dove people who are there saw it wright and they heard the voice but Jésùs himself told them no one can hear the voice of the God and also told John to short up about what he doesn't know so why are you arguing blantly |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 7:49pm On Mar 01 |
How about this Your prophet said: Sahih Muslim 758a Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: Our Lord, the Blessed and the Exalted, descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the latter part of the night is left, and says: Who supplicates Me so that I may answer him? Who asks Me so that I may give to him? Who asks Me forgiveness so that I may forgive him? If the earth was flat, this is possible but the earth is spherical! It means that Allah is trapped perpetually on the earth Is this hadith a fabrication of Mohammed? Ohyoudidnt:Why are you correcting your religion with NASA's calculation? You are to FACE the Qiblah isn't it? Sahih al-Bukhari 400 Narrated Jabir: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to pray (optional, non-obligatory prayer) while riding on his mount (Rahila) wherever it turned, and whenever he wanted to pray the compulsory prayer he dismounted and prayed facing the Qibla. New Zealand is an antipode of Mecca? Where do they face? Into the ground!? Both Allah and your prophet assumed the earth was flat. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 7:54pm On Mar 01 |
Expanse2020: Where did Jesus say 'no one can hear the voice the God' Show me where Jesus say no one can hear God's voice. Pls don't got to John 5 because what Jesus said is 'You can never hear the voice of God'. That is a direct speech to the You. There's a big difference btw You and no one. This is the reason why British govt insist on IELTS b4 coming to their country because they know comprehension is a big issue amongst Nigerians All prophet heard the voice of God....all. so how can Jesus then say no one can hear the voice of God. I repeat, the only prophet who didn't hear the voice of God was Muhammed. That shows he's a fake prophet. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 7:56pm On Mar 01 |
Ohyoudidnt: So, what has this got to do which the fact that the God who punished them also forgave them. Jeremiah 29:14: "I will be found by you," declares the LORD, "and will bring you back from captivity. I will gather you from all the nations and places where I have banished you," declares the LORD, "and will bring you back to the place from which I carried you into exile." |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 7:59pm On Mar 01 |
Expanse2020:Who is the one called Al-Azeez? Who is the one called Al-Muhyee? Who. is the one called AL-HAQQ? I asked you: Is it true that Allah comes down to the first heaven every third part of the night to hear you Muslims pray? What is difficult in rejecting or accepting this position |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 8:01pm On Mar 01 |
TenQ: Ohyoudidn't and honesttalk, the sound Islamist scholars here...I want U to explain this hadith. Christians apologist use to say it but I didn't understand it until now. Thanks TenQ. Since we know when it's night in one hemisphere of the earth, it's day on the other half; and then vice versa. That means Allah is forever trapped in the lowest heaven since there's forever night on earth. It shows Allah or Muhammed or hadith writers believe in a flat earth. Ironically this is not a problem in Christianity because we believe God is a spirit which mean he's omnipresent. He can be on all levels of heaven at the same time. TenQ pls show me verse in the Koran that says this....U know some Muslims will simply reject it because it's hadith and claim it's weak. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 8:06pm On Mar 01 |
TenQ:Yes he comes down to first heaven every third part of night Yes Yes Yes I have answer it countless of time stop sending one 20times |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 8:23pm On Mar 01 |
Expanse2020:Good! Meaning that Allah leaves his throne temporarily to come down to the lowest heaven and return before daybreak! Is this correct? Who is the one called Al-Azeez? Who is the one called Al-Muhyee? Who. is the one called AL-HAQQ? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 8:26pm On Mar 01 |
TenQ:All the names you post here is very few among the attribute of Allah 👌 |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 8:31pm On Mar 01 |
SIRTee15:Only Qur'an-Only Muslims will deny this because it is extremely Sahih. This is the reason all the knowledgeable Muslims on NL avoid discussing it There exist no single Islamic scholar that reject the hadith. Their scholars did not factor in the implication of the hadiths otherwise they would have found usual excuses to class it as Daif or Maudu . Moreover, several hadiths say this from many sources |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 8:42pm On Mar 01 |
Expanse2020:1. Who is the one called Al-Azeez? Who is the one called Al-Muhyee? Who. is the one called AL-HAQQ? Are these the names of Allah or not? 2. You saying Yes, Meaning that Allah leaves his throne temporarily to come down to the lowest heaven and return before daybreak BUT according to you Allah doesn't come to earth like the others God and does not die like the others God No problem! How does Allah go back to his throne once he descends to the lowest heaven because 24/7 there is always a place that is at the third part of the night? In other words, Allah is the Prince of this WORLD! Do you agree with this? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 9:00pm On Mar 01 |
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Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 9:03pm On Mar 01 |
[quote author=Expanse2020 post=128730567][/quote] Are you lost? 1. Who is the one called Al-Azeez? Who is the one called Al-Muhyee? Who. is the one called AL-HAQQ? Are these the names of Allah or not? 2. You saying Yes, Meaning that Allah leaves his throne temporarily to come down to the lowest heaven and return before daybreak BUT according to you Allah doesn't come to earth like the others God and does not die like the others God No problem! How does Allah go back to his throne once he descends to the lowest heaven because 24/7 there is always a place that is at the third part of the night? In other words, Allah is the Prince of this WORLD! Do you agree with this? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 9:03pm On Mar 01 |
TenQ:Tell your fried to bring the Quran verse that said it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ọbọ gbọbọ gọkẹ̀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 9:05pm On Mar 01 |
[quote author=TenQ post=128730597] Are you lost? 1. Who is the one called Al-Azeez? Who is the one called Al-Muhyee? Who. is the one called AL-HAQQ? Are these the names of Allah or not? 2. You saying Yes, Meaning that Allah leaves his throne temporarily to come down to the lowest heaven and return before daybreak BUT according to you Allah doesn't come to earth like the others God and does not die like the others God No problem! How does Allah go back to his throne once he descends to the lowest heaven because 24/7 there is always a place that is at the third part of the night? He go back to the Seventh heaven as Easy as he come down to the first heaven Did you have a problem with that |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 9:07pm On Mar 01 |
Expanse2020:You have already concurred with the hadith. and it's implications 1. Mohammed was lieing as usual 2. Allah is perpetually trapped here on earth 3. Allah can enter his creation 4. Allah and his prophet doesn't know that the earth is not flat but spherical |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 9:12pm On Mar 01 |
Expanse2020:You still do get the implication. 1. Mohammed and Allah do not know that the earth is spherical 2. Allah is perpetually trapped on the lowest heaven and thus cannot return to paradise |
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