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Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by AsaBlackheart(m): 12:59pm On Mar 03 |
TenQ: Are you here to educate and enlighten people or to antagonize them?[color=#000099][/color] |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 1:00pm On Mar 03 |
honesttalk21:Of course you don't know what the term Angel mean ! |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by honesttalk21: 1:08pm On Mar 03 |
Enjoy you foolery.com TenQ: Which Bible verse says Cherubs and Seraphs are angels or type of angels? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 1:15pm On Mar 03 |
honesttalk21:I dont know how muslims think! As Muslims, You can kill a human being created in the image of God As Muslims, You can mutilate a human being created in the image of God What is special about the face of an infidel? Now, your prophet said: Mishkat al-Masabih 3525 He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.” You prophet clearly thought that the Face of Men are like the Face of Allah. If not, 1. Why did Mohammed compare Allah with the Dajjal? Is the Dajjal not human? Allah: who looks like the Da'jjal (with the exception of the eye) Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4320 ‘Ubadah ibn al-Samit reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, I have told you so much about the False Messiah that I fear you will not understand. Verily, the False Messiah is a short man, pigeon toed, curly haired, with one eye that is blind, neither protruding nor sunken. If you are confused about him, then know that your Lord does not have one eye.” 2. Mohammed says he saw his Lord as a young man "I saw my Lord in the form of a young man having plenty of curly hair in a green dress." Narrator: Abdullah bin Abbas , The narrator: Ibn Taymiyyah , Source: Statement of Dressing the Jahmiyyah, page or number: 7/290| A summary of the hadeeth’s verdict: Sahih Graduation: It was included by Ibn Uday in ((Al-Kamil fi Al-Du’afa’) (2/260), Al-Bayhaqi in ((The Names and Attributes)) (938), and Ibn Al-Jawzi in ((The Infinite Illnesses)) (16) with a slight difference Let me also give you the Arabic link https://www.dorar.net/h/9k1WPsJH |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 1:29pm On Mar 03 |
honesttalk21: No problem! Allah comes DOWN or DESCENDS (according to Mohammed) into the lowest heaven. Let me help you our with the Logic: 1. Allah is One 2. Allah is NOT a Spirit 3. Allah left his throne over the seventh heaven and DESCENDS to the lowest heavens because he loves the Muslims 4. Unfortunately, since Mohammed couldn't stop talking, he mentioned the precise time as the third part of the Night 5. Implication, Allah is trapped upon the earth as a. It is beyond the majesty of Allah to enter his creation (meaning that the hadith is a lie) b. Allah is permanently trapped in the lowest heaven and he cannot go back . Of course Allah must be very fast to be able to circumnavigate the earth once every 24 hours. Its a logical quagmire you Muslims have found yourself sir! If Allah is EVERYWHERE, he doesn't need to DESCEND where he already is at the third part of the Night. Too bad that you cannot be helped on this UNLESS, you become Quran-Only-Muslim! |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 1:32pm On Mar 03 |
AsaBlackheart: I have Educated Muslims I have Enlightened Muslims The truth is bitter: Taoheed is a faulty doctrine of God! |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 1:34pm On Mar 03 |
honesttalk21:Why waste my time with one who doesn't know the meaning of Angel and is arguing blindly? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by AsaBlackheart(m): 1:37pm On Mar 03 |
TenQ: I do not know what the Taoheed says. I am simply commenting on the antagonistic form your post took |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by honesttalk21: 3:22pm On Mar 03 |
TenQ:Cherubim and Seraphim are often mistakenly believed to be angels, however, this is not the case. These beings are distinct entities with their own unique characteristics and roles within the realm of celestial beings. The misconception that Cherubim and Seraphim are angels stems from a lack of understanding and knowledge about the hierarchy of heavenly beings as described in religious texts and scriptures. The mentioned hadith is about tahajjud night prayer. This hadith uses allegorical language to emphasize the spiritual sharpness of the human soul at night when he should seek forgiveness and ask God. This is the time, he feels more devotion and is more sincere in his prayer. Thus there is a higher chance of his dua to be accepted due to his SINCERITY, not for God’s proximity. God, who is described in the Quran as someone near to Jugular vein, whose throne transverse the whole universe (2:255), doesn’t need to physically descend into the lower physical sky to listen to humans. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 10:40pm On Mar 03 |
AsaBlackheart:Trust me : my posts are neither confrontational nor antagonistic. My Muslim friends are prone to telling deliberate and obvious lies, thus to get any message across you have to DRIVE it in. I try not to give personal insults nor abuse to anyone such that the conversation is still averagely cordial and civil |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by honesttalk21: 1:16am On Mar 04 |
TenQ: No such verse exists and you make a lame excuse isn't it? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by honesttalk21: 6:11am On Mar 04 |
TenQ: Ubadah ibn al-Samit reported:[/b] The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, I have told you so much about the False Messiah that I fear you will not understand. Verily, the False Messiah is a short man, pigeon toed, curly haired, with one eye that is blind, neither protruding nor sunken. If you are confused about him, then know that your Lord does not have one eye.”[/i] You see Verily, I have told you so much about the False Messiah that I fear you will not understand You definitely do not understand. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by honesttalk21: 6:36am On Mar 04 |
One reason that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) may have been concerned that people would not understand his warnings about the Dajjal is that he knew that this figure could be a source of confusion and misguidance. The Dajjal is described as a powerful and deceitful figure who will try to lead people away from the truth. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) warned that the Dajjal would have the power to perform miracles and deceive many people, and he emphasized the importance of staying steadfast in one’s faith and not being swayed by false signs and wonders. Another reason that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) may have been concerned that people would not understand his warnings about the Dajjal is that he knew that ignorance and disbelief could be a major barrier to understanding and accepting these warnings. The Dajjal is a complex and controversial figure, and many people may find it difficult to accept or believe in his existence without a solid foundation in Islamic knowledge and belief. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) emphasized the importance of education and understanding in order to combat ignorance and disbelief, and he urged his followers to seek knowledge and strive for understanding. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by honesttalk21: 6:50am On Mar 04 |
TenQ: Indeed TenQ: TenQ: Verily the above aren't antagonistic. AsaBlackheart: |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 7:31am On Mar 04 |
honesttalk21: If I get you correctly, Cherubims and Seraphims are not messangers of God. They don't have any errand or task they do for God? I can understand you now, for someone who doesn't know what the Spirit is! honesttalk21:How can it be allegorical when actual physical stuff are mentioned. Allah descends to the lowest heaven is extremely clear and nothing allegorical about it. The third part of the night is extremely clear and nothing allegorical about it. Except the hadith is a fabrication as usual Allah Cannot be omnipresent and still descend from a certain location to another certain location ? This is one of the problems in the Taoheed! |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 7:37am On Mar 04 |
honesttalk21:Angel is a translation of the Jewish word (Mal'akh). This was where you got the Arabic ملك, (malak) You don't know the meaning, you just know the term. What does Mal'akh mean? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 7:40am On Mar 04 |
honesttalk21:You don't seem to get the problem Mohammed was supposed to compare the Jesus with the Dajjal but he did not. Mohammed compared Allah with Dajjal! And he gave the difference as ONE eye! Mishkat al-Masabih 3525 He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.” You prophet clearly thought that the Face of Men are like the Face of Allah. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 7:44am On Mar 04 |
honesttalk21:Tell me how people will mistake the Dajjal for Allah if there is no semblance (according to Mohammed)? It is impossible to mistake an elephant for a lion. One can mistake a Tiger for a Leopard and there are reasons. Can one mistake a human for a dog? It is not possible. All these means is that Mohammed himself thought that Allah looks like a man! |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 7:48am On Mar 04 |
honesttalk21:Were my statements UNTRUE? Don't I give you Qur'an verses, Hadiths or Tafsirs to back up my claim? When you say that my God is an ORDINARY man and an ORDINARY prophet and a CREATURE of Allah Are you being confrontational or saying your beliefs as you perceive it? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 7:53am On Mar 04 |
honesttalk21:Which bible verse says they are not Angels? I asked you again and again: What is the meaning of the word Mal'akh (which is translated as Angels). Once you know the meaning, come back! |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by honesttalk21: 10:47am On Mar 04 |
TenQ: Do you not antagonize Muslims or even Islam in saying distasteful untruths about Allah and Prophet Muhammad pbuh? Does any Muslim dare insult Yeshua of Nazareth? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 11:03am On Mar 04 |
honesttalk21: Have you found claims I made without corresponding References to back it up from your Islamic sources? They are distasteful TRUTHS and that is why you find it offensive! Is it untrue that you demote my God the Holy Spirit to the level of a mere Angel? Is it untrue that you demote my God the Word (who became flesh) as ordinary man? Is it untrue that 5 times a day you Pray to Allah not to make you like the accursed Jews and Christians who have gone astray? Is it untrue that you claim that our Bible is corrupted? Is it untrue that you claim that the very foundation of Christianity (the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ) does not exist? If you attack the very foundation of Christianity, should I keep quiet and watch you do so? The problem you have with me is that unlike most Christians, I know too much of Islam for your comfort. The only effective weapon against Islam is the TRUTH quoted from the statements of Islam |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 11:10am On Mar 04 |
Mr honesttalk21, It's been nice chatting with you though because at least you and AntiChristian to a large extent have been cordial in trying to explain away the goofs created by your prophet. You will agree with me that the Dctrinenof Taoheed is not iron-clad. The weaknesses are deep and far reaching. The only way out for you is if you become a Qur'an-Only Muslim which of course isn't a good option either. I think We can close this chapter for now till another time. With respect, Have a beautiful day sir! |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by honesttalk21: 12:51pm On Mar 04 |
TenQ: Are you justifying being uncouth and antagonistic? Do you feel better abusing Allah (may he forbid) and his prophet as stupid as revenge for saying Yeshua is not but a man honoured as a messenger in this world and the hereafter? Should the honour extend to making or calling him God? Do we not point out your misunderstanding the Quran verse or hadith? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 1:16pm On Mar 04 |
TenQ:No he is not in the fire but he spoke through the fire .....when he is not someone God they will call and will you use thunder or fire to respond 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 1:19pm On Mar 04 |
TenQ:When you don't understand hadith you rather keep shut down saying shit Can God die Yes or No |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by honesttalk21: 1:30pm On Mar 04 |
TenQ: God is said to be the same yesterday, today and forever. Could you give instances where the holy spirit is worshipped as God in the old and new testament. Tell if you will what exists or was created outside God's command or word? Did Jesus criticize the Religious Leaders? In Matthew 23 1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. 5 “Everything they do is for show. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called ‘Rabbi.’ How sure are you they didn't alter the books to their advantage Guide us along the Straight Path, — Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran Guide us to the straight path - — Saheeh International 1:7 The Path of those You have blessed—not those You are displeased with, or those who are astray. — Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have earned [Your] anger or of those who are astray. — Saheeh International Do you agree the emboldened above referred to the Jews and Christians? As they killed prophets of God and were arrogant as well as equated the creation to the creator? Does Christos have a relation with Christ Jesus or Christos Yehusha? Does Christos mean anointed or crucified? Can you believe in Christos Yehusha without a belief in crucifixion? Of what use is a belief in crucifixion if you don't adhere to the message/gospel of Yehusha Christos? You think you know Islam but what you know about is Dajallun from دَجَّال (dajjāl) (plural دَجَّالُون (dajjālūn) which refers to someone who covers, coats thingsl, gilder, silverer swindler, cheat, imposter, charlatan, mountebank, liar |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 2:04pm On Mar 04 |
honesttalk21:What you succeed in doing mostly is not answering my direct questions. Do I abuse Allah? I only say things that are written by your scholars and the implication I even try not to insult your prophet Mohammed except when a person like LegalWolf starts the game of mud slinging. You don't point out any misunderstanding, rather what you do is to restate your preferred Islamic Narrative of course which is never a response nor answer to my questions. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 2:07pm On Mar 04 |
Expanse2020:I didn't write the verse nor Mohammed BUT Allah.. Qur'an 27:8 But when he reached it, a voice called out: "Blessed is He who is IN the fire and all around it. Praised be God, the Lord of all the worlds. Who are you to re-interprete the words of Allah? Are you now also a prophet? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 2:11pm On Mar 04 |
TenQ:I told what the verse said Answer my question Can A God die YES OR NO |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 2:11pm On Mar 04 |
Expanse2020:Explain why Mohammed Compared Allah to Dajjal rather than to Jesus. After all, the Dajjal is a man and Jesus was a man! Again: If you as Muslims can kill a man created in the image of Allah, and mutilate him by cutting of the alternate limbs or stoning him, why is his FACE important if it doesn't look like Allah's face. Mishkat al-Masabih 3525 He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.” You prophet clearly thought that the Face of Men are like the Face of Allah. Can God die? What is death before I answer your question! |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Expanse2020(m): 2:42pm On Mar 04 |
TenQ:Can God die Yes or No If you have balls answer it |
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