TenQ:

Qur'an 9:31 doesn't say the above even if this is the position and doctrine of Islam. This had been my point.

Translate لَّآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ سُبۡحَٰنَهُۥ عَمَّا يُشۡرِكُونَ

Does it form part of the verse?

honesttalk21:


Translate لَّآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ سُبۡحَٰنَهُۥ عَمَّا يُشۡرِكُونَ

Does it form part of the verse?

It means :
"There is no deity except Him; Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him."

Yes!
The more reason to believe that the first sentence or first part of Quran 9:31 is a mistake!

TenQ:

It means :
"There is no deity except Him; Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him."

Yes!
The more reason to believe that the first sentence or first part of Quran 9:31 is a mistake!

Let's take this appropriately.

Quran 9:30 says:
"The Jews say: Ezra is the son of God; and the Christians say: The Messiah, Jesus, is the son of God. That is the utterance of their mouths, for which they have no support, nay, imitating the utterances of those who disbelieved before [them], from among their forefathers, mimicking them. God assail, curse, them! How they are deviated!, turned away from the truth, despite the proofs having been established."

Quran 9:31
"They have taken their rabbis, the scholars among the Jews, and their monks, the devout among the Christians, as lords beside God — following them in making lawful what God has made unlawful and making unlawful what He has made lawful — and the Messiah, son of Mary, when they were not commanded, in the Torah and the Gospel, except to worship One God: there is no god except Him; glory be to Him, as an affirmation of His transcendence [high], above what they associate [with Him]."

Does verse 31 further elaborate on verse 30 or continue what it says?

Then Quran 9:32 nails it in saying

"They desire to extinguish God’s light, His Law and His proofs, with their tongues, with what they say about Him; and God refuses but to perfect, to make manifest, His light, even though the disbelievers be averse, to this."

honesttalk21:


Let's take this appropriately.

Quran 9:30 says:
"The Jews say: Ezra is the son of God; and the Christians say: The Messiah, Jesus, is the son of God. That is the utterance of their mouths, for which they have no support, nay, imitating the utterances of those who disbelieved before [them], from among their forefathers, mimicking them. God assail, curse, them! How they are deviated!, turned away from the truth, despite the proofs having been established."

Quran 9:31
"They have taken their rabbis, the scholars among the Jews, and their monks, the devout among the Christians, as lords beside God — following them in making lawful what God has made unlawful and making unlawful what He has made lawful — and the Messiah, son of Mary, when they were not commanded, in the Torah and the Gospel, except to worship One God: there is no god except Him; glory be to Him, as an affirmation of His transcendence [high], above what they associate [with Him]."

Does verse 31 further elaborate on verse 30 or continue what it says?

Then Quran 9:32 nails it in saying

"They desire to extinguish God’s light, His Law and His proofs, with their tongues, with what they say about Him; and God refuses but to perfect, to make manifest, His light, even though the disbelievers be averse, to this."

I don't care what you intend to say, I care about what was said.

Again:
Is it untrue that what was intended was the statement.
Qur'an 9:31 :
"They took their Rabbis , and Monks AND the Messiah the son of Mary as Lords other than Allah?
أَخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَرْبَابًا مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ

Is this not what the intent of the verse is?


An error or mistake is an error anywhere you take it and it has nothing to do with the intention!

If I wanted to write
4x10=40
but wrote
4x1=40

Does it mean that 4x1 is NOW equal to 40! ?

This had been your argument all along!
Your intention may be clear, but there is an error in your submission!
QED!

TenQ:

I don't care what you intend to say, I care about what was said.

Again:
Is it untrue that what was intended was the statement.
Qur'an 9:31 :
"They took their Rabbis , and Monks AND the Messiah the son of Mary as Lords other than Allah?
أَخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَرْبَابًا مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ

Is this not what the intent of the verse is?


An error or mistake is an error anywhere you take it and it has nothing to do with the intention!

If I wanted to write
4x10=40
but wrote
4x1=40

Does it mean that 4x1 is NOW equal to 40! ?

This had been your argument all along!
Your intention may be clear, but there is an error in your submission!
QED!

Enjoy your false fantasy.

It is clearly shown from the preceding verse the wrong in taking others by first stating what is impossible and a huge show of insolence that Allah the almighty begets a child which he never and can never.

Then excessive reverence of the spiritual leaders or prophets to a point of taking them as co; equal or even higher than the almighty. Impossibles. None can be or is comparable to the almighty Allah.


This is truly the essence of TAUHID. Belief in a unique, indivisible, omnipotent, omniscient creator and sustainer of all that exists.



Enjoy your delusions and if you pretend not to know now you will come to know for certain regardless of whether it is or isn't beneficial to you at the time you come to accept the knowing.

TenQ:


An error or mistake is an error anywhere you take it and it has nothing to do with the intention!

If I wanted to write
4x10=40
but wrote
4x1=40

Does it mean that 4x1 is NOW equal to 40! ?

Very good illustration of a common mistake in the compilation you call Bible with respect to the age of Ahazia in when he became King. Is it truly 22 or 42?

Or is it the somersaults to fit a fictitious crucifixion into 3 days and 3 nights saying Jesus was crucified on Wednesday or Thursday not Friday as is repeatedly stated and agreed to by majority.

Emancipate yourself from your confusion.

honesttalk21:


Enjoy your false fantasy.

It is clearly shown from the preceding verse the wrong in taking others by first stating what is impossible and a huge show of insolence that Allah the almighty begets a child which he never and can never.

Then excessive reverence of the spiritual leaders or prophets to a point of taking them as co; equal or even higher than the almighty. Impossibles. None can be or is comparable to the almighty Allah.


This is truly the essence of TAUHID. Belief in a unique, indivisible, omnipotent, omniscient creator and sustainer of all that exists.



Enjoy your delusions and if you pretend not to know now you will come to know for certain regardless of whether it is or isn't beneficial to you at the time you come to accept the knowing.


Very good illustration of a common mistake in the compilation you call Bible with respect to the age of Ahazia in when he became King. Is it truly 22 or 42?

Or is it the somersaults to fit a fictitious crucifixion into 3 days and 3 nights saying Jesus was crucified on Wednesday or Thursday not Friday as is repeatedly stated and agreed to by majority.

Emancipate yourself from your confusion.

The implication of the Taoheed is serious because it removes the divinity of Allah
We have established that Allah cannot be In heaven and on earth at the same time.

We have established that if Allah comes to the earth every day at the third part of the night, then he is perpetually trapped here on earth and his throne above the waters is empty.

We have also established that the Qur'an 9:31 is a Slip of pen (an error) that Muslims are struggling to correct.

This is okay for now till another time

TenQ:

The implication of the Taoheed is serious because it removes the divinity of Allah
We have established that Allah cannot be In heaven and on earth at the same time.

We have established that if Allah comes to the earth every day at the third part of the night, then he is perpetually trapped here on earth and his throne above the waters is empty.

We have also established that the Qur'an 9:31 is a Slip of pen (an error) that Muslims are struggling to correct.

This is okay for now till another time

Characteristic ignorant rhetoric or an outright dajallun character. Go ask your Arabic teacher. I believe you started some Arabic classes as you seemed to intend a few months past.


The verb اتَّخَذُواْ (ittaKhathuwa) in Quran 9:31 is often translated as “they took” or “they have taken.” The full verse (9:31) states:

“They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.”

In this context, the verb اتَّخَذُواْ (ittaKhathuwa) is used in conjunction with the noun “Messiah, the son of Mary,” implying that some people have taken Isa (Jesus) as a god or a lord besides Allah. This interpretation is supported by the broader context of the Quran, which emphasizes the oneness of Allah and prohibits the worship of any other deities.

Emboldened doesn't say whatever they associate with them or does it?

Is Jesus even in your faulty trinity is a distinct entity but claimed equal of God almighty isn't it?

Why does a coequal god need to pray to God to become elevated to a God status?
John17:1“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.
2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

At the end of 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, your Jesus submits to God with whom he is already co-equal?
1 Corinthians 15:
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[a] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

In numerous ancient myths and legends from various cultures around the world, there are recurring themes of gods or divine beings being subjected to a higher power or authority. These stories often involve cycles of rise and fall, death and rebirth, and transformation. The concept of gods being subject to a higher power challenges the traditional notion of divine beings as omnipotent and all-powerful, instead presenting them as part of a larger cosmic order that governs their actions and destiny.

Jesus's miraculous birth to a virgin mother bears a striking resemblance to the birth stories of ancient mythological figures such as Horus, Mithras, and Krishna. Additionally, the virgin birth, death, and resurrection motif that is central to the story of Jesus can be found in the mythologies of countless ancient civilizations.

Jesus mentioned not Yeshua or ISA a.s 😁

honesttalk21:


Characteristic ignorant rhetoric or an outright dajallun character. Go ask your Arabic teacher. I believe you started some Arabic classes as you seemed to intend a few months past.


The verb اتَّخَذُواْ (ittaKhathuwa) in Quran 9:31 is often translated as “they took” or “they have taken.” The full verse (9:31) states:

“They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.”

In this context, the verb اتَّخَذُواْ (ittaKhathuwa) is used in conjunction with the noun “Messiah, the son of Mary,” implying that some people have taken Isa (Jesus) as a god or a lord besides Allah. This interpretation is supported by the broader context of the Quran, which emphasizes the oneness of Allah and prohibits the worship of any other deities.

Emboldened doesn't say whatever they associate with them or does it?

See how you needed to insert the word ALSO in order to force Allah to agree with the consensus of your scholars?
SMH!

Your scholars don't have shame!
It seems Allah is not good with speaking clear Arabic that has to be adjusted by Islamic Scholars

If the words of Allah is not helped, how can it say what yoilu Muslims want it to say?

honesttalk21:

Is Jesus even in your faulty trinity is a distinct entity but claimed equal of God almighty isn't it?

Why does a coequal god need to pray to God to become elevated to a God status?
John17:1“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.
2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

At the end of 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, your Jesus submits to God with whom he is already co-equal?
1 Corinthians 15:
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[a] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

In numerous ancient myths and legends from various cultures around the world, there are recurring themes of gods or divine beings being subjected to a higher power or authority. These stories often involve cycles of rise and fall, death and rebirth, and transformation. The concept of gods being subject to a higher power challenges the traditional notion of divine beings as omnipotent and all-powerful, instead presenting them as part of a larger cosmic order that governs their actions and destiny.

I guess you can then explain how the Taoheed-Allah prays (is it to himself)

1. Qur'an 33:56
Indeed, Allah and his angels pray to (or for) the Prophet ۚ O you who believe, pray for him and give peace
Who is Allah praying to:himself?


Secondly,
You can then explain how the Taoheed-Allah recites the shahada (is it to himself)

2. Can you tell me why Allah recites the shahada in Quran 2:255?

Who is Allah testifying to?

honesttalk21:

Jesus's miraculous birth to a virgin mother bears a striking resemblance to the birth stories of ancient mythological figures such as Horus, Mithras, and Krishna. Additionally, the virgin birth, death, and resurrection motif that is central to the story of Jesus can be found in the mythologies of countless ancient civilizations.

Jesus mentioned not Yeshua or ISA a.s 😁

Unfortunately, this you wrotebwas supported by Allah himself :Are you denying Allah?

Qur'an 3:47
She said: 'O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has ever touched me? ' The angel answered: Thus shall it be. Allah creates whatever He wills.

Is this verse a lie?

TenQ:

See how you needed to insert the word ALSO in order to force Allah to agree with the consensus of your scholars?
SMH!

Your scholars don't have shame!
It seems Allah is not good with speaking clear Arabic that has to be adjusted by Islamic Scholars

If the words of Allah is not helped, how can it say what yoilu Muslims want it to say?

A nincompoop can definitely not comprehend the imperfections in translating one language into another and the need for additional words to ensure the maintenance of core meaning. Give me a concise transaction of the Yoruba phrase (excuse my errors) ata sa pa mi lori?

TenQ:

I guess you can then explain how the Taoheed-Allah prays (is it to himself)

1. Qur'an 33:56
Indeed, Allah and his angels pray to (or for) the Prophet ۚ O you who believe, pray for him and give peace
Who is Allah praying to:himself?


Secondly,
You can then explain how the Taoheed-Allah recites the shahada (is it to himself)

2. Can you tell me why Allah recites the shahada in Quran 2:255?

Who is Allah testifying to?

In the Quran, the term “يُصَلُّونَ” (yusallūna) is used in several verses to convey different meanings based on the context in which it appears. Here is a breakdown of its usage in the specific verses mentioned:

Quran 4:90: “إِلَّا الَّذِينَ يَصِلُونَ إِلَىٰ قَوْمٍ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَهُم مِّيثَاقٌ أَوْ جَاءُوكُمْ حَصِرَتْ صُدُورُهُمْ أَن يُقَاتِلُوكُم أَو يُقَاتِلُوا قَوْمَهُمْ”
In this verse, “يُصَلُّون” is translated as “seeking peace” or “making peace.” It refers to those who come to you seeking peace or have a covenant with you. The context here is about dealing with people who are not actively engaged in hostilities against you.

Quran 13:21: “وَيُسَبِّحُ لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَات والأرض وهو العزيز الحكيم”
In this verse, the term “يُسبِّح” is used, which means “glorify.” It is not the same as “يُصلّون,” but both convey acts of worship and praise towards Allah.


Quran 33:56: “إِنّ اللّه وملاًئكته يصلون على النبي يا أيها الذين آمنوا صلوا عليه وسلموا تسليما”
In this verse, the term used is “يصلون,” which means “send blessings.” It refers to Allah and His angels sending blessings upon the Prophet Muhammad. The believers are also instructed to send blessings and greetings upon him.

Does the Almighty not bless his creation or it is forbidden for him to do? Does he not provide for our needs?

What is your problem with Allah blessing his prophet or providing for mankind?
Is Allah saying the shahada or describing his nature?

TenQ:


Unfortunately, this you wrotebwas supported by Allah himself :Are you denying Allah?

Qur'an 3:47
She said: 'O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has ever touched me? ' The angel answered: Thus shall it be. Allah creates whatever He wills.

Is this verse a lie?

Oh! Now you agree with this despite saying ISA a.s is not Jesus or who is spoken of in this verse

Nigerian politicians engaging in inconsistencies are no where near your inconsistent confused nature.

honesttalk21:


A nincompoop can definitely not comprehend the imperfections in translating one language into another and the need for additional words to ensure the maintenance of core meaning. Give me a concise transaction of the Yoruba phrase (excuse my errors) ata sa pa mi lori?

I am so sorry dear!
I forgot that the word ALSO does not exist in Arabic and thus Allah couldn't put it.

Can you see the wisdom in your argument?

honesttalk21:

In the Quran, the term “يُصَلُّونَ” (yusallūna) is used in several verses to convey different meanings based on the context in which it appears. Here is a breakdown of its usage in the specific verses mentioned:

Quran 4:90: “إِلَّا الَّذِينَ يَصِلُونَ إِلَىٰ قَوْمٍ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَهُم مِّيثَاقٌ أَوْ جَاءُوكُمْ حَصِرَتْ صُدُورُهُمْ أَن يُقَاتِلُوكُم أَو يُقَاتِلُوا قَوْمَهُمْ”
In this verse, “يُصَلُّون” is translated as “seeking peace” or “making peace.” It refers to those who come to you seeking peace or have a covenant with you. The context here is about dealing with people who are not actively engaged in hostilities against you.

Quran 13:21: “وَيُسَبِّحُ لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَات والأرض وهو العزيز الحكيم”
In this verse, the term “يُسبِّح” is used, which means “glorify.” It is not the same as “يُصلّون,” but both convey acts of worship and praise towards Allah.


Quran 33:56: “إِنّ اللّه وملاًئكته يصلون على النبي يا أيها الذين آمنوا صلوا عليه وسلموا تسليما”
In this verse, the term used is “يصلون,” which means “send blessings.” It refers to Allah and His angels sending blessings upon the Prophet Muhammad. The believers are also instructed to send blessings and greetings upon him.

Does the Almighty not bless his creation or it is forbidden for him to do? Does he not provide for our needs?

What is your problem with Allah blessing his prophet or providing for mankind?
Is Allah saying the shahada or describing his nature?

Unfortunately, I am not ready to start debating you on this, rather, I will point out how silly the verse is with a simple question

Now that we have at least two entities blessing Mohammed alone, can you please explain

If Allah blesses a person, what more blessing can the Angels add to the person?

honesttalk21:

Oh! Now you agree with this despite saying ISA a.s is not Jesus or who is spoken of in this verse

Nigerian politicians engaging in inconsistencies are no where near your inconsistent confused nature.

You forgot so soon your argument of virgin birth!?
I shake my head!

TenQ:


If Allah blesses a person, what more blessing can the Angels add to the person?

If your mother, fathe, sibling or clergy blesses you, is it them or the one able to bless that blesses you? Their saying of blessing you is them requesting the one able to bless to bless you.

In any case this diversion doesn't change the concordance of Quran 9:31 with the oneness of God and rejecting the worship of any other alongsice Allah

honesttalk21:


If your mother, fathe, sibling or clergy blesses you, is it them or the one able to bless that blesses you? Their saying of blessing you is them requesting the one able to bless to bless you.

In any case this diversion doesn't change the concordance of Quran 9:31 with the oneness of God and rejecting the worship of any other alongsice Allah

Allah AND the Angels are blessing Mohammed how?


Which one is it?
Allah first blesses, then the angels add to it
OR
The Angels first blesses (with Allah's permission), then Allah adds his blessings to it.
OR
Simultaneously, Allah and the Angels are blessing Mohammed

TenQ:

Allah AND the Angels are blessing Mohammed how?


Which one is it?
Allah first blesses, then the angels add to it
OR
The Angels first blesses (with Allah's permission), then Allah adds his blessings to it.
OR
Simultaneously, Allah and the Angels are blessing Mohammed

Surely مغفل will not discern Allah blesses and the angels also pray Allah blesses.

Do not detract from your post as it has been proven how Islam complies strictly with monotheism in the Tauhid.

Worship of your Jesus when viewed through the lens of strict monotheism points and agrees with polytheism. The interpretation of Jesus’ divinity and role in relation to God varies significantly with monotheistic religions.

You have tried to sneak this misplaced view of yours through this thread and have again woefully failed. Submit to the one your Jesus submits to and calls father though not in the literal sense. The one he says is greater than him and knows details he doesn't know. The one who is good.

Translate ata sa pa mi lori from Yoruba to English

honesttalk21:

Surely مغفل will not discern Allah blesses and the angels also pray Allah blesses.

Do not detract from your post as it has been proven how Islam complies strictly with monotheism in the Tauhid.

Worship of your Jesus when viewed through the lens of strict monotheism points and agrees with polytheism. The interpretation of Jesus’ divinity and role in relation to God varies significantly with monotheistic religions.

You have tried to sneak this misplaced view of yours through this thread and have again woefully failed. Submit to the one your Jesus submits to and calls father though not in the literal sense. The one he says is greater than him and knows details he doesn't know. The one who is good.

Translate ata sa pa mi lori from Yoruba to English

So many ways to skin a cat they say!

. Have a nice day.

TenQ:

So many ways to skin a cat they say!

. Have a nice day.

He finally throws in the towel?

honesttalk21:


He finally throws in the towel?

We don't need to get to the point of detesting each other because of a debate.

One can disagree vehemently over issues without taking issues personally.

You can never ever be my enemy (even if you act otherwise).
This is why I chose to end this till another time.


There are several other new topics to speak about

TenQ:

We don't need to get to the point of detesting each other because of a debate.

One can disagree vehemently over issues without taking issues personally.

You can never ever be my enemy (even if you act otherwise).
This is why I chose to end this till another time.


There are several other new topics to speak about

Pretty interesting.

Topics you close your mind to thoroughly and truthfully reasoning? I don't think so.

Enjoy and have a productive life. May the almighty guide and suffice you.

honesttalk21:


Pretty interesting.

Topics you close your mind to thoroughly and truthfully reasoning? I don't think so.

Enjoy and have a productive life. May the almighty guide and suffice you.

A friend of mine was introduced to a deal. Lexus Rx 350 2020 model being disposed off by the Buhari Administration for N3.5m by one Alhadji Tukur who claimed to be a relation to Buhari. Documents and pictures were given to him to show that the vehicle was legit.

He needed N1m from me to balance up. I wasn't convinced because as of that time you can't get it for less than N17m. I got the document photocopies and did my findings only to see that the picture was a random one from the Internet. The number isn't even an FGN number

My friend was bitter that I won't loan him the money and no amount of reasons will convince him otherwise. To him, I am an enemy who want no good for him. For every evidence I gave him, he has a lame excuse he had used to convince himself.

Until some people are finally and irrevocably scammed, they will fight tooth and nail to remain in darkness of the 419. They will never ask the right questions and would rather convince themselves to believe and justify red lights.

At the risk of becoming enemies, I will show you one evidence after another until the clutch of the Deceiver falls off and the dim eyes are opened.

Have a beautiful night rest

TenQ:

A friend of mine was introduced to a deal. Lexus Rx 350 2020 model being disposed off by the Buhari Administration for N3.5m by one Alhadji Tukur who claimed to be a relation to Buhari. Documents and pictures were given to him to show that the vehicle was legit.

He needed N1m from me to balance up. I wasn't convinced because as of that time you can't get it for less than N17m. I got the document photocopies and did my findings only to see that the picture was a random one from the Internet. The number isn't even an FGN number

My friend was bitter that I won't loan him the money and no amount of reasons will convince him otherwise. To him, I am an enemy who want no good for him. For every evidence I gave him, he has a lame excuse he had used to convince himself.

Until some people are finally and irrevocably scammed, they will fight tooth and nail to remain in darkness of the 419. They will never ask the right questions and would rather convince themselves to believe and justify red lights.

At the risk of becoming enemies, I will show you one evidence after another until the clutch of the Deceiver falls off and the dim eyes are opened.

Have a beautiful night rest

Pretty further far fetched I will say. You habitually like to argue.
Mankind has been deceitful since time immemorial however certain truths remain and are guaranteed.

Not ALL "Christians" will enter Paradise but only those who DO the will of God
Mat 7:21:
"Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."


Does these below sound too good to be true?

honesttalk21:


Pretty further far fetched I will say. You habitually like to argue.
Mankind has been deceitful since time immemorial however certain truths remain and are guaranteed.

Truths like
1. Christians and Jews being your replacement from hell fire?

Sahih Muslim 2767 a
Abu Musa' reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your rescue from Hell-Fire.

Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'
Another narration is: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with sins as heavy as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them".


2. Saying La illa ilala 100 times will guarantee you paradise
Mishkat al-Masabih 2159
He reported the Prophet as saying, “If anyone who is about to sleep on his bed lies on his right side, then recites ‘Say, He is God, One’ a hundred times, the Lord will say to him on the day of resurrection, ‘My servant, enter paradise to your right’.”



Sunan Abi Dawud 3116
Narrated Mu’adh bin Jabal :
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as saying: If anyone's last words are "There is no god but Allah" he will enter Paradise.


3. All Muslims will enter Paradise
Mishkat al-Masabih 143
Abu Huraira reported God's messenger as saying, “All my people will enter paradise except those who refuse.” On being asked who refused, he replied, “He who obeys me will enter paradise, and he who disobeys me has refused.”

4. If your husband is pleased with you, you are guaranteed Paradise

Sunan Ibn Majah 1854
It was narrated that from Musawir Al Himyari from his mother that:
she heard Umm Salamah say: “I heard the Messenger of Allah say: 'Any woman who dies when her husband is pleased with her, will enter Paradise.' ”

5. He who prays the two evening prayers will enter Paradise

Mishkat al-Masabih 625
Abu Musa reported God’s Messenger as saying, “He who observes the two cool times of prayer (at dawn and after nightfall) will enter paradise.”

6. Taking care of your two daughters guarantee paradise for you

Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 77
Ibn 'Abbas reported that he heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, "There is no Muslim who has two daughters and takes good care of them but that he will enter the Garden."

7. Mohammed will set some people free from Hell Fire

Sunan Abi Dawud 4740
‘Imran b. Husain reported the Prophet(ﷺ) as saying:
People will come forth from Hell by Muhammad’s intercession, will enter paradise and be named Jahannamis.


8. Contribution of a pair of anything guarantee paradise

Sahih Muslim 1027 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
If anyone contributes a pair of anything for the sake of Allah, he would be invited to enter Paradise (with these words): O servant of Allah, it is good (for you). Those who engage in prayer will he invited to enter by the gate of prayer; those who take part in Jihad will be invited to enter by the gate of Jihad; those who give charity will be invited to enter by the gate of charity; and those who observe fast will be invited to enter by the gate ar-Rayyan. Abu Bakr Siddiq said: Messenger of Allah, is it necessary that a person be invited through one of these gates? Will anyone be invited to enter by all those gates? The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Yes, and I hope you will be one of them.

9. Who ever gives call to prayer will enter Paradise

Sunan an-Nasa'i 674
An-Nasr bin Sufyan narrated that he heard Abu Hurairah say:
"We were with the Messenger of Allah (S.A.W) and Bilal stood up and gave the call. When he fell silent the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: 'Whoever says the same as this (what the Mu'adhdhin) with certainty, he will enter Paradise.


10. Paradise by the intercession of a fellow Muslim from the Arab

Sunan Ibn Majah 4316
It was narrated from ‘Abdullah bin Abi Jad’a’ that he heard the Prophet (ﷺ) say:
“More than (the members of the tribe of) Banu Tamim will enter Paradise through the intercession of a man from among my nation.” They said: “O Messenger of Allah, besides you?” He said: “Besides me.”


I know that you will come out to defend this but today is not the day. Please keep your peace. But what we can see here is that Every Muslim will enter Paradise even as long as they do one or more of the above : irrespective of how wicked they have been on earth
Just tell me this doesn't sound like a 419 kind of promise

TenQ:
Not ALL "Christians" will enter Paradise but only those who DO the will of God
Mat 7:21:
"Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."


Does these below sound too good to be true?


Truths like
1. Christians and Jews being your replacement from hell fire?

Sahih Muslim 2767 a
Abu Musa' reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your rescue from Hell-Fire.

حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو أُسَامَةَ، عَنْ طَلْحَةَ بْنِ يَحْيَى، عَنْ أَبِي، بُرْدَةَ عَنْ أَبِي مُوسَى، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ إِذَا كَانَ يَوْمُ الْقِيَامَةِ دَفَعَ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ إِلَى كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ يَهُودِيًّا أَوْ نَصْرَانِيًّا فَيَقُولُ هَذَا فَكَاكُكَ مِنَ النَّارِ

Abu Bakr bin Abi Shaybah told us, Abu Usama told us, on the authority of Talha bin Yahya, on the authority of Abu Bakr, on the authority of Abu Musa, he said, the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, said Peace and blessings of God be upon him: “When the Day of Resurrection comes, God Almighty will give to every Muslim, Jew or Christian, and He will say: This is your redemption from the fire

Please where did you get ransom from? Every person will be paid his or her reward.

TenQ:
Not ALL
Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'
Another narration is: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with sins as heavy as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them".

Riyad as-Salihin 432
وعن أبي موسى الأشعري، رضي الله عنه، قال‏:‏ قال رسول الله، صلى الله عليه وسلم‏:‏ إذا كان يوم القيامة دفع الله إلى كل مسلم يهودياً أونصرانياً فيقول‏:‏ هذا فكاكك من النار‏"‏‏.‏
وفي رواية عنه عن النبي، صلى الله عليه وسلم قال‏:‏ ‏"‏يجئ يوم القيامة ناس من المسلمين بذنوب أمثال الجبال يغفرها الله لهم ‏"‏ ‏(‏‏(‏رواه مسلم‏)‏‏)‏‏

It was narrated that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari, may Allah be pleased with him, said: The Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said: If on the Day of Resurrection, Allah pays every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian, and he will say: This is your release from the fire."
In a narration narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) he said: "On the Day of Resurrection, some Muslims will come with sins such as mountains, and Allaah will forgive them" (Narrated by Muslim)

Don't you read and understand that everyone will receive what is due to him or her.

honesttalk21:


حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو أُسَامَةَ، عَنْ طَلْحَةَ بْنِ يَحْيَى، عَنْ أَبِي، بُرْدَةَ عَنْ أَبِي مُوسَى، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ إِذَا كَانَ يَوْمُ الْقِيَامَةِ دَفَعَ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ إِلَى كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ يَهُودِيًّا أَوْ نَصْرَانِيًّا فَيَقُولُ هَذَا فَكَاكُكَ مِنَ النَّارِ

Abu Bakr bin Abi Shaybah told us, Abu Usama told us, on the authority of Talha bin Yahya, on the authority of Abu Bakr, on the authority of Abu Musa, he said, the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, said Peace and blessings of God be upon him: “When the Day of Resurrection comes, God Almighty will give to every Muslim, Jew or Christian, and He will say: This is your redemption from the fire

Please where did you get ransom from? Every person will be paid his or her reward.

From here
Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'
Another narration is: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with sins as heavy as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them".

Even if a muslim is a ritualist and murderer (his sins as heavy as a mountain) Allah will take him out of Hell and put in a Christian in exchange.

honesttalk21:

Riyad as-Salihin 432
وعن أبي موسى الأشعري، رضي الله عنه، قال‏:‏ قال رسول الله، صلى الله عليه وسلم‏:‏ إذا كان يوم القيامة دفع الله إلى كل مسلم يهودياً أونصرانياً فيقول‏:‏ هذا فكاكك من النار‏"‏‏.‏
وفي رواية عنه عن النبي، صلى الله عليه وسلم قال‏:‏ ‏"‏يجئ يوم القيامة ناس من المسلمين بذنوب أمثال الجبال يغفرها الله لهم ‏"‏ ‏(‏‏(‏رواه مسلم‏)‏‏)‏‏

It was narrated that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari, may Allah be pleased with him, said: The Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said: If on the Day of Resurrection, Allah pays every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian, and he will say: This is your release from the fire."
In a narration narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) he said: "On the Day of Resurrection, some Muslims will come with sins such as mountains, and Allaah will forgive them" (Narrated by Muslim)

Don't you read and understand that everyone will receive what is due to him or her.

It seems it is you who do not read to understand
(When it is the Day of Judgment):
دفع الله (Allah will present) إلى كل مسلم (to every Muslim) يهودياً أونصرانياً (Jew or Christian) فيقول (and He will say): هذا فكاكك من النار (This is your redemption from the Fire).

Where did you see that everyone will receive what is due to him or her?
Is this consistent with Allah forgiving Muslims who will come with sins such as mountains?


Please let's stop this for now till another time.
But you can see the promise of a 419: it's always too good to be true!

TenQ:

From here
Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'
Another narration is: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with sins as heavy as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them".

Even if a muslim is a ritualist and murderer (his sins as heavy as a mountain) Allah will take him out of Hell and put in a Christian in exchange.


It seems it is you who do not read to understand
(When it is the Day of Judgment):
دفع الله (Allah will present) إلى كل مسلم (to every Muslim) يهودياً أونصرانياً (Jew or Christian) فيقول (and He will say): هذا فكاكك من النار (This is your redemption from the Fire).

Where did you see that everyone will receive what is due to him or her?
Is this consistent with Allah forgiving Muslims who will come with sins such as mountains?


Please let's stop this for now till another time.
But you can see the promise of a 419: it's always too good to be true!

We had ended yesterday who resumed engagement?

To every Muslim, Jew or Christian.

Tenq,QTen or NairaLTQ persistently argue no matter how ill informed or silly.

Every Muslim, Jew, or Christian will be paid by Allah on the Day of Judgment. This payment is not in the form of money or material possessions, but in the form of a release from the fire of Hell.

We are ended for good I hope.

honesttalk21:


We had ended yesterday who resumed engagement?

To every Muslim, Jew or Christian.

Tenq,QTen or NairaLTQ persistently argue no matter how ill informed or silly.

Every Muslim, Jew, or Christian will be paid by Allah on the Day of Judgment. This payment is not in the form of money or material possessions, but in the form of a release from the fire of Hell.

We are ended for good I hope.

Yes please...until another time!

[quote author=TenQ post=128713718]The Flaws In The Taoheed (doctrine Of Oneness Of Allah) Destroys Allah As God


The fundamental doctrine of Islam is the Taoheed meaning: The Oneness of Allah.

Unfortunately, inasmuch as Muslims would like to grandrously magnify Allah and make him the same as the God of the people of the Book, they unfortunately limit him unknowingly.
As a rule, Islam ALWAYS BREAK down with scrutiny. And this is why Muslims hardly ask questions.

You will all see that a little examination of Islamic doctrine expose the weakness of the Taoheed. Taoheed makes Allah a limited God because of these claims of Islam below.

Claims of Islam :
1. Allah is on his throne upon the waters above the seven heavens.

2. Allah descend everyday to the lowest heaven at the third part of the night to listen to the supplications of the Muslims
3. Muslims will SEE Allah with their eyes on the Day of judgement

4. Allah will appear to the Muslims and will change his shape to. another form on the Day of resurrection to a form unknown to the Muslims (Muslims will be in disbelief until until they see the shin of Allah)

5. Allah cannot enter into his creation because he is too big for that

If ALL these are true, then
1. If Allah is above the seven heavens (which is also all above the earth), Allah cannot be omnipresent.
It is logically impossible for Allah to be above the heavens and below it at the same time.

2. If Allah descend to the lowest heaven everyday at the third part of the night to listen to the supplications of the Muslims, then Allah cannot be omniscient.
It is either that Allah is not knowledgeable that the earth is not flat but spherical (thus Allah is trapped forever on the earth) and it is thus impossible for Allah to be on his throne above the heavens at the same time

3. If Muslims will see Allah with their eyes on the Day of judgement, it means that Allah is finite both in scope and size. Moreover, Allah is NOT a spirit according to Islamic scholars, thus Allah is a physical being.

4. If Allah changes his shape to the Muslims, then this proves that the shape of Allah is created. If not, can any Muslim tell us what happened to the original shape of Allah when he appeared to you in a different shape. Obviously, the first shape not the second shape of Allah are not eternal. There is no Islamic doctrine that Allah is shapeless

5. If Allah is too big to enter his creation, how come he managed to pass through the layers of heaven to the lowest heavens in order to listen to the supplications of the Muslims at the third part of the night?
6. Of course, there is no dispute that Allah is One but then, What is the difference between the Oneness of Allah and the Oneness of Iblis (satan)? If there is no difference apart from difference in assigned attributes, then there is NOTHING special about the Taoheed of Allah.


Of course, except if ALL these claims of Muslims about Allah is FABRICATED as usual

Questions;
1. Can Allah be Above the seven heavens and be below it at the same time?
2. If it is true that Allah descends every third part of the night to the lowest heavens, doe it not mean that Allah is perpetually on earth?
3. If Muslims will see Allah physically in paradise, does it not show that Allah is limited?
4. If it is true that Allah will change his shape when he appears to Muslims in paradise, what happens to Allah's first shape?
5. If Allah is too big to enter into his creation, how then does he descend from his throne to the lowest heaven?
6. What is special with Taoheed of Allah since we know that Iblis is also one and unique?


References are included next page!


[i]All my Friends on Nairaland:

The usual Loony vibes.

TenQ:
Where are Lukuluku69,




Is it true that Allah comes down every third part of the night to see the Muslims praying to him?




Muslims truly believe in the mantra :
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind

Loony vibes.

Lukuluku69:


Loony vibes.

Hello Lukuluku69,
Nice to hear from you over this long time. Happy fasting period to you!

TenQ:

Hello Lukuluku69,
Nice to hear from you over this long time. Happy fasting period to you!

It is Blessed and not happy if you must make a wish.

Comprehend?

Lukuluku69:


It is Blessed and not happy if you must make a wish.

Comprehend?

Thanks for the correction.
Blessed fasting period to you!

ahmedio2017:




Stop this ur rub.bish, I have corrected you several times... Don't compare Allah with your god, Allah is more powerful than your god, don't you get?

Your god can make a mistakes, Allah cannot make a mistakes

Your god regretted and RESTED Allah does not sleep and slumber.....

Your own god is not powerful.

What is allah looking at watching Muhammad eating poisonous food that terminate his life if at all the idol (allah) muhammad inherited from his idolater father Abdullahi is powerful?


...Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713

ANTllSLAAM:


What is allah looking at watching Muhammad eating poisonous food that terminate his life if at all the idol (allah) muhammad inherited from his idolater father Abdullahi is powerful?


...Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713

Allah is all knowing.
In one way or the other all man must taste death. Prophet Muhammad s.a.w was also destined to die and one thing must kill man so?

ahmedio2017:



Allah is all knowing.
In one way or the other all man must taste death. Prophet Muhammad s.a.w was also destined to die and one thing must kill man so?

If your all knowing is powerful as you said, why can't he resurrect his one and only messenger instead of watching him rotted for days before been buried?


Sahih Bukhari 3667

Narrated ‘Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) died while Abu Bakr was at a place called As-Sunah (Al-‘Aliya) ‘Umar stood up and said, “By Allah! Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) is not dead!” ‘Umar (later on) said, “By Allah! Nothing occurred to my mind except that.” He said, “Verily! Allah will resurrect him and he will cut the hands and legs of some men.” Then Abu Bakr came and uncovered the face of Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ), kissed him and said, “Let my mother and father be sacrificed for you, (O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ)), you are good in life and in death.