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Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Qasim6(m): 5:56pm On Mar 24 |
TenQ: Why do you think God entering into his Creation is something positive of God? There are people that believe their God have sex with mortals. Do you think that is something positive too? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 6:03pm On Mar 24 |
Qasim6:The question is simple: can Allah enter into his creation? Yes or No!? Or Do you consider it beneath his majesty? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Qasim6(m): 6:53pm On Mar 24 |
TenQ: Allah entering or not entering into his creation have nothing to do with our core doctrine. There are different opinions concerning it. If He does not enter into his creation, it won't be out of incapability. Why do you think it is necessary for God to enter into his creation? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 7:40pm On Mar 24 |
SIRTee15: Historians not Muslims agree that Mary was most likely between 12 and 14 years old when Jesus was born. The Virgin Mary, Jesus' earthly mother, is best known for her spiritual wisdom. Her example of trust in God and faith inspires thousands of people. Most time, artwork portrays her as a grown woman, but how old was Mary when she had Jesus? Historians believe that she was a young teenager when she gave birth, between the ages of 12 and 14. As a teen, Mary answered the call from God for a purpose that she couldn’t have imagined. She didn’t let her age stop her from moving forward with God’s plan for her life. By learning Mary’s story, we can find out how to respond when God calls us to take action in our lives. SIRTee15: The age that menarche occurs is mostly attributed to the interaction of genetics and various environmental factors. Onset of menarche has varied over the years. You also know that human medicine is not an absolute science. There are variations. SIRTee15: Do enlighten me but I know from Eusebius account in The Church History that a laundryman from the masses took a club used for beating out clothes and hit James the Just on the head which brought about his death despite surviving the fall. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 8:26pm On Mar 24 |
Qasim6:Okay! Since you want it the difficult way? Is it true that Allah's throne is above the waters over the first (highest) heaven? AND Is it untrue that Allah comes down (descend) every third part of night into the lowest heaven to listen to the Prayers of faithful Muslims? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 1:27am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt: Quit the game. This has been thoroughly thrashed. Mary wasn't 12 when she got pregnant. It's immoral to sleep with a 9 year old. Highly immoral. Assume the 9 yr old bride commited adultery. Will she be stoned to death according to shariah law? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 4:12am On Mar 25 |
TenQ:Let the argument continues till the second coming of Jesus, Your story now and then is that Allah Who sent bible with ERRORBILE, MISTAKEABLE and WRONGS and later asked you to remove them? Chai, you are red handled caught in this argument. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 4:17am On Mar 25 |
TenQ:Your two verses from your Christianized Quran are the causes of ERRORS, MISTAKES and WRONGs you are now and then REMOVING from your HOLY LIE BIBLE ? What a tragical defense? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Qasim6(m): 4:28am On Mar 25 |
SIRTee15: Historically, the marrigable age for Jewish girls at the time was 12. Mary just got betrothed when she became pregnant. So, How are sure Mary wasn't 12? Because it doesn't suit your agenda? SIRTee15: Was it moral or Immoral when God (who is Jesus according to you) allowed the Israelites to kill non Virgin women, young Boys and keep young girls for themselves in Numbers 31: 17-18? SIRTee15: We are in different age, we have different expectations from society, I believe a girl less than 18 at this point in human history have no business being a bride not to talk of receiving the punishment for Adultery. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 6:21am On Mar 25 |
SIRTee15: You claim it has been thoroughly thrashed that Mary wasn't 12? How old was she? However thorough you claim it is far from convincing. Your view of sleeping with a 9yr old being immoral is subject to opinion though this doesn't imply an agreement that Aisha r.a was 9years though you have earlier pointed to an age of 6. You strongly base this age claim on hadith(s) and I ask what date or which dates these these reports come to be? Can you absolutely rely on them? Unfortunately focus is on far reaching punishments under the Sharia without considering what this law in accord with Islam/quran put in place to limit the commitment of this crime. The process to convict for adultery is quite far reaching and I ask in return how many people prophet Muhammad pbuh had punished by killing for adultery? I easily recall one man who was sufficient evidence by testifying 4 times against himself. How easy is it to get 4 credible witnesses for adultery? Call to mind a similar case when one woman was accused of adultery in the Bible? It may have been a ploy to set Jesus up however in the way he handled this you see an implied requirement of proof. Was the partner she committed adultery with mentioned? Why punish one part of the offenders and leave the other free? Also call to mind that Aisha r.a was accused of this but it was slander and untrue. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 7:05am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt: Monotheism; Tauhid, is the belief in one singular deity as the only god where one God is a singular existence. This is very unlike the pluriform monotheism, where multiple gods are recognized as extensions of the same divine entity of Christianity. Quite reminiscent of the joke poem composed about a bright day in the middle of the night. Quite a contradiction! How is it that the Council of Ephesus in 431 A.D. wrongly established Mary as the Mother of God, affirming her title as Theotokos, which means “God-bearer? By declaring Mary as the Mother of God at the Council of Ephesus, the Church aimed to establish a further lie about Yeshua Christos. Christos is a Greek derived name from the word "hrio" meaning "to anoint". In Christian tradition, to anoint means to ceremonially apply oil or another substance to someone as a sign of consecration, blessing, or divine favor. Isn't it true that Jesus was indeed anointed as a prophet, priest, and king? The latter however is subject of opinion if it was fulfilled. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 7:20am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt: I don hear U if U want hear me. I no get strength for back and forth argument. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 7:30am On Mar 25 |
SIRTee15: Ok o. Furthermore SIRTee15: The Apocrypha, also known as the Deuterocanonical books are rejected by protestants but were part of the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament used by early Christians. Discoveries among the Dead Sea Scrolls have revealed copies of some Deuterocanonical works, indicating that these texts were held in high regard by certain Jewish communities. Early Christian writers such as Clement of Alexandria and Irenaeus referenced and quoted from these books as authoritative scripture, demonstrating a tradition within early Christianity that recognized their value. Various early Church councils, including those at Rome (382 AD), Carthage (393 AD), and Hippo (397 AD), affirmed the canonicity of certain Apocryphal books, aligning with a broader acceptance within early Christian communities. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 7:32am On Mar 25 |
TenQ: Why should Allah enter into his creation when the creation come from him and will return to him? This should not be misconceived as being born. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by advocatejare(m): 7:44am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt:Muhammad was born after 431 AD, if he was trully from God, he should have talked against what the council did |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 7:57am On Mar 25 |
gaskiyamagana:No sir! My argument is that Allah couldn't protect his word. Is that the fault of Jews and Christians? And even Allah couldn't protect the Qur'an : or is it not true that the GOAT or is it a Sheep eat some delicious pages of the Qur'an? I still ask where is the verse of stoning in the Qur'an? Where is the verse of breastfeeding an adult ten times or its abrogated version of five times? I ask you why the Hafs Qur'an is different form the Warsh Qur'an etc! Why do we have up to 30 "dialects" of the Arabic Qur'an rather than 7 or eight? Why did Uthman destroy other Qur'ans but one? Again, Qur'an 6:115 and Qur'an 18:27 have been proven false! Sorry sir! |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 7:59am On Mar 25 |
gaskiyamagana:Are you saying that the Qur'an verses I quoted are false? Please, what is the correct version of Qur'an 9:31? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 8:05am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt: Did you arrive at this from your Strawman Fallacy or from the thesis of Christians. I remember that I particularly responded to you in two full pages Ohyoudidnt:You asked a question! The Question was answered! Is this a response or what is it you don't understand? Let's say Islam is confused by the word spirit, 1. According to Islam, is the word of Allah Created? 2. Is the Word of Allah independent of Allah and living? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 8:05am On Mar 25 |
Qasim6: I don hear U. But Jesus saw a 12 yr old female and called her little girl. I'm sure the marriageable age in ancient Arabia peninsula isn't 12. I'm very sure. Na Muhammed just wanted to fulfil his immoral fantasy. If I'm wrong point to me who else got married at 12 in your literatures. Most 12 yrs old are flat chested, they still have nipple and not breast. They are not matured. What can they even offer u in marriage? People that can barely take care of themselves and now U expect them to shoulder bigger responsibility. Qasim6: My agenda?? The question is why should she be 12? Someone that was called woman by her big aunty. Instead we should ask those pushing the 12 narrative what's their agenda. Qasim6: Muslims are funny sha, attaching immorality of human life to God. All in a bid to exonerate Muhammed of his immoral act. Oga, God is the owner of life. He can take it anytime and anyhow without prior notice. God has absolute and ultimate sovereignty over his creation. There's nothing immoral about taking back what belongs to U and it's not immoral for God to recall back the souls he sent to planet earth. He owes the soul no explanation. God is not bound by any human moral fibre because he exist outside of such morality. The same way we humans are not bound by the code of conduct of the animal kingdom. I'm surprised U dont even know this. When we say Islam lacks sound theology, people will say we insulting islam Qasim6: Then U just threw your own Koran under the bus because the Qur'an said U can actually divorce a girl who is yet to attain menarche ie a pre teen girl can be get married and be kicked out according to your Qur'an. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 8:10am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt:Allah entering his ANY of his Creation can be done however he wants don't you think so? Since you are scared of the dimension I will lead you, let me help you out. 1. Is it untrue then that Allah descend into the lowest heaven everyday at the third part of the night? Or is the heaven not a creation of Allah? 2. Since Allah livesin a space above the seven heavens: is the space not a creation of Allah? 3. On the day of judgement, Allah will appear to you Muslims in another SHAPE where you will recognise him h by his shin! Is this untrue? Is this new shape created or uncreated by Allah? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by MightySparrow: 8:22am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt: What do suppose christians don't share your views and Mohammed s? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 8:25am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt:Deuterocanonical books are old testament cannon related. Protoevangelium n gospel of Thomas are not considered deuterocanonical. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 9:13am On Mar 25 |
advocatejare: Is the Quran not replete with verses emphasying monotheism? And there is none comparable unto Him" (Surah Al-Ikhlas, 1-4) With verses discouraging multiplicity like In Surah An-Nisa, verse 171, it states, "O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion, nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah and His Word, conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not 'Three'. Cease! It is better for you! Allah is only One God. Quran 5:73 Those who say, “Allah is one in a Trinity,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God. If they do not stop saying this, those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 9:19am On Mar 25 |
SIRTee15: The Deuterocanonical books were included in the Septuagint, but not the Hebrew Bible. They are mostly included in the Catholic Old Testament, but not in the Protestant one. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by advocatejare(m): 9:25am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt:You people keep exposing your ignorance and also that of the authors of the Quran First Council of Ephesus in 431 A.D never discussed trinity that comprise God, Jesus and Mary, it was about whether to accept Mary as the mother of God or not. There was never a time or any Christian group included Mary in the trinity so for Muhammad to have written such in the Quran meant he was confused and ignorant. What people have called Trinity has always been Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. So stop lying |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 9:26am On Mar 25 |
MightySparrow: I don't understand you. Could you rephrase and clarify what you mean? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 9:29am On Mar 25 |
TenQ: Kindly ascertain you aren't guilty of what you accuse another of? Think you need an independent evaluator? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by MightySparrow: 9:54am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt: Why are christians disagreeing with Mohammed and you? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 10:06am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt: TenQ: God is infinite✓ God is infinite not multiple. God is everywhere at the same time whether in the Physical or Spiritual spaces. Yes this is what is meant by Omnipresence. God isn't everywhere due to multiplicity of himself or delegation of his composition. Omnipresent refers to the concept of being present everywhere at all times. This attribute suggests that a divine being is not confined by space or time and is able to exist in all places simultaneously. Omnipotent signifies the possession of unlimited power and authority. An omnipotent being has the ability to do anything and everything, without limitation or constraint. This attribute conveys the idea of absolute sovereignty and control, suggesting that the divine is capable of bringing about any desired outcome through sheer force of will. Omniscient refers to the quality of possessing infinite knowledge and wisdom. The almighty omniscient Allah has complete awareness and understanding of all things, past, present, and future. This attribute implies perfect knowledge and insight, allowing the almighty to see and comprehend everything with perfect clarity. Omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscienc together describe a singular supreme being that is all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present. |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 10:07am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt:I don't do Strawman Arguments! A Strawman is creating ANOTHER image of the Text of Argument that we can easily deal with or respond to INSTEAD of the real text of Argument. 1. Non of the Christian texts say we worship Three Gods 2. Not even the most heretical Christian sect claim to worship Three Gods. But to advance the cause of Islam, you cannot stray from the misconception of Allah aka Mohammed. Ohyoudidnt: 1. Is it untrue that I said that The Father is YAHWEH The Word is YAHWEH and The Spirit is YAHWEH ? 2. Is it untrue that I likened it to the relationship between Your Body is YOU Your Soul is YOU and Your Spirit is YOU ? 3. Is it untrue that I simplified you for you Muslims as the Duality of Man rather than the Trinity (where a man is His BODY and His RUH/NAFS) Using your exact words (paraphrased and modified for the Duality of Man) This is very unlike the pluriform monotheism, where multiple Do you have MULTIPLE You(S) exactly as Christians have multiple God's? By the way: Iblis is ONE! Or Iblis is more than one in Islam? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 10:15am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt:How is this a Strawman Argument. By the way, the highlighted in yellow is False. It should read Allah isn't everywhere due to the fact that he has to come DOWN from above the first heavens to the lowest heaven to listen to the prayers of the Muslims . Is Allah being omnipresent akin to sending his Angels and Messanger to occupy and monitor the whole earth or universe for him (ie. God delegates his presence) ? |
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 10:58am On Mar 25 |
Ohyoudidnt: Pls study something b4 bringing it to debate. Deuterocanonical books has absolutely nothing to do with our argument. It has nothing to do with the infancy gospel of Thomas or protoevangelium. As at the time the deuterocanonical books were compiled, Jesus had not even been born not to talk of someone writing any gospel book about him. |
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