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muykem:
Do you know that Oba of Benni is one of Oduduwa son?

Of course. No one has ever argued that. Even the present Oba of Benin has said that previously.

The question that you should be asking is what is the origin of Oduduwa.

Prince Ekaladerhan (Oduduwa) was the only son of the exiled King Ogiso Owodo. He was a Benin Prince. Ekaladerhan (Oduduwa) went on to found Ile-ife. So, present day Ile-Ife has it's origin from a prince of Benin kingdom. Similar to the way the Benins founded Eko (Lagos).

Don't be deceived by the yorubas narrative of history.

MP3GAGAdotCOM:
Abi?

That's why Edo people are chasing away yorubas from their lands, you pigs are attachee by force, no one send una

We are the Bendel of today Delta,Edo and Yoruba are far more closer than migrants Igbo in Nigeria.

Amayabor1:
Eben has been benin from a long time. If any traditional ruler uses it in the SW, it is a sign they have their origin from Benin

Read story about Emotan and you will know that Bini always go back to Ile-Ife for guidance and homage. Bini Kingdom was an appendage of Oyo Empire. Ile-Ife is the source of Yoruba race, Oyo the last born of Oduduwa have the largest army as all his senior use to support and donates men to him from time to time Oyo Empire became so strong and extend to Upper Volta. Oba of Bini had mentioned it several times that his ancestors were from Ile-Ife so you can't know more than the Royal Majesty himself.

SS777:
We are the Bendel of today Delta,Edo and Yoruba are far more closer than migrants Igbo in Nigeria.

See idiot.. Wetin concern delta and edo with una pigs

Keep fooling yourself, Edo people don warn you several, still dey Mumu yourself.

Housing:
Read story about Emotan and you will know that Bini always go back to Ile-Ife for guidance and homage. Bini Kingdom was an appendage of Oyo Empire. Ile-Ife is the source of Yoruba race, Oyo the last born of Oduduwa have the largest army as all his senior use to support and donates men to him from time to time Oyo Empire became so strong and extend to Upper Volta. Oba of Bini had mentioned it several times that his ancestors were from Ile-Ife so you can't know more than the Royal Majesty himself.

I will be waiting for you to show me where any Oba of Benin had mentioned that his ancestors were Ile-Ife.

You people lie alot with a straight face.

muykem:
Nobody said Oduduwa fell from sky. Lamurudu is Oduduwa father.

Read the history of Ile-Ife from osun state government. 🤣😂😂

https://www.osunstate.gov.ng/ile-ife/

Housing:
Eben and Ada were the symbol of authority that On I use to hand over to the new Bini King in the time immemorial. Bini running away from Yoruba ancestry is simply illogical. Omo Ada Omo Eben. I am an Ijebu man with Bini ancestry from my mother side. Bini were from Ile Ife their language change due to cultural diffusion.

That insignia is very common in Yoruba land it in on my family Official letter headed paper.

I have a direct Yoruba royal line on father's side. I have first class kings in Yoruba land from my line. But I am from Edo. However, we maintained our ties, family and know our relatives. Easy when you (my recent ancestors/us can walk into palaces and say who you are in the family) and you are recognised. Together ancient family name still in a street and an entire quarter.

Read my old posts from years back. So, I can vouch for my neutrality. It is only Benin royal family and some aristocrats who possibly share some ancestry. The entire Benin as a tribe and Yoruba ARE NOT that related. Both are very mixed. Igbo, Edo, Yoruba, and some Benue people were very close ancestrally.

Philologically, you can even spot which separated first in terms of language structure. Igbo in general separated first. Yoruba and Benin were closer for a bit longer.

But it does not mean they are same people. There are about may be 5% Edo people like myself with pristine Yoruba descent and we do not hide it. We wear it on our sleeves proudly. Even that is half the story. It turned out we even had a previous Edo descent going to Yorubaland. I asked myself : what other descent could there have been that is now lost to history? And we are still bona fide Edo people today. I do not feel any different whether following Igue festival at Oba palace in Benin or a ceremony at Oba's palace in my part of Yorubaland.

Where some people see differences, I soak in and enjoy the culture. The percentage of Benin people in Yorubaland varies considerably depending on location. In Eastern Yorubaland, I know of some communities (one has a first class monarch) where 90% claim Edo descent. I have thrown the challenge here on NL before to physically take people there to verify but because people just want to argue and NOT want the truth, they didn't take it up.

You see all these our arguments here, those monarchs know themselves. They know the truth, what they can say publicly and what tribal politics of modern 9ja won't allow them to admit in public.

Automaticmotors
samuk
Gregyboy

PressMyButton:
It was a name given to him upon his baptism which is a common place in christendom. However, he never lost any of his indigenous names and identity to external influence. Onitcha Ado n' Idu bears the ancestry of the Onitsha people.

You guys are very funny indeed. Ado ni Idu was adopted by the indigenes upon their return home to Igboland to denote their travails and sojourn in foreign lands.

The symbol they carried along throughout the journey was their beloved shrine UDO. Udo is a common shrine all over Igbo land. Onicha people never lost their indigenous names to any tribe throughout their journeys. The founding ruler of the town till the present have been IGBOS, viz
CHIMA
OREZE
CHIMAEVI

Feel free to rebut me.

Amayabor1:
Of course. No one has ever argued that. Even the present Oba of Benin has said that previously.

The question that you should be asking is what is the origin of Oduduwa.

Prince Ekaladerhan (Oduduwa) was the only son of the exiled King Ogiso Owodo. He was a Benin Prince. Ekaladerhan (Oduduwa) went on to found Ile-ife. So, present day Ile-Ife has it's origin from a prince of Benin kingdom. Similar to the way the Benins founded Eko (Lagos).

Don't be deceived by the yorubas narrative of history.

If oduduwa was Benin then why don’t the Yoruba speak Benin language? Why is there not any Yoruba king who claims they have Benin ancestry apart from Lagos

Housing:
Ado is a very common name to relate to Ife. Meaning where we stand after leaving Ife. We have than twenty towns that have the morphism e.g. Ado-Odo, Ado-Ota, Ado-Ekiti, Ado in Ibeju Lekki, Ado in Ojo along Badagry Expressway and many more

It still does not prove that all came from Ife. Ugbo people owned Ife previously but they are not called Ado-Ugbo.
HRM Oba Akinruntan even called his company Obat Oil after Obatala, owner of original Ife.

Just because people gathered doesn't mean all came from Ife. The whole Ife story is strange. Yorubaland is at least over 2000 years old. Much more in my view. How come Oduduwa who came around 1000 years ago is the father of all Yoruba? Spiritual leader/father, yes plausible. Physical Baba, not plausible.

In Benin, morning greetings is used to recognise your family descent daily. Just in case praise name/unwanwhen/like Yoruba Oriki is not practical every morning. Although praise name should follow after you greet an elder with family linage greeting.
Automaticmotors
samuk
Gregyboy

Ebibedike1:
Onitsha is not part of Biafra. Know this and know peace.
Oduduwa republic is actually bigger than you all know.,and we will claim and accommodate all of them

Actually an Ibo colleague in the office had told me this before. This is being confirmed by the Obi himself.

God will help us.

AyakaDunukofia:
You guys are very funny indeed. Ado ni Idu was adopted by the indigenes upon their return home to Igboland to denote their travails and sojourn in foreign lands.

The symbol they carried along throughout the journey was their beloved shrine UDO. Udo is a common shrine all over Igbo land. Onicha people never lost their indigenous names to any tribe throughout their journeys. The founding ruler of the town till the present have been IGBOS, viz
CHIMA
OREZE
CHIMAEVI

Feel free to rebut me.

You named your common heritage, the throne of your ancestors after an adopted name, a name of a strange land?. How wise are you?. Better sit down and be humble.

Osanoghodua1:
Thank you Sir Obi Alfred. I have always told my wife that the Obi of Onitsha is a descendant of Benin, she always scream at me. And now he has narrated it himself, it should be documented and public in a book. God bless our God given King. Let's stop the hate, we are one brothers. Oba ghatōkpere Iseeeee

He said nothing like that, ask an igbo person to interprete what he said so you understand. In fact if you go by your analogy that means he's saying that igbo were the original beni people not the other way round. Lol. He traced his clans migration from Beni and Ife. He goes on to say that those tired of migration stayed back in the land they found themselves e.g ijebu-igbo and assimilated the yoruba culture. He says anywhere in yorubaland answering igbo means igbo people settled there. Going further, he also says before they got to onícha, some igbo got tired and remained in agbor all the way to asaba & anioma(basically what nigerians call delta-igbo). He said even when his clan go to onícha some were not comfortable and went all the way to imos state and founded a land knownas mbaisa-onicha. He never said they were beni people. Saying that would mean the original inhabitants or original beni people are igbo. Beni is a very old civilization, if their people had migrated to igboland they would still be speaking beni or keep the beni customs alive just like the igbos still speak igbo in Delta, ikwerre etc while the kings in ikwerre and delta-igbo still answer Igwe & Eze till this day

AreaFada2:
It still does not prove that all came from Ife. Ugbo people owned Ife previously but they are not called Ado-Ugbo.
HRM Oba Akinruntan even called his company Obat Oil after Obatala, owner of original Ife.

Just because people gathered doesn't mean all came from Ife. The whole Ife story is strange. Yorubaland is at least over 2000 years old. Much more in my view. How come Oduduwa who came around 1000 years ago is the father of all Yoruba? Spiritual leader/father, yes plausible. Physical Baba, not plausible.

In Benin, morning greetings is used to recognise your family descent daily. Just in case praise name/unwanwhen/like Yoruba Oriki is not practical every morning. Although praise name should follow after you greet an elder with family linage greeting.
Automaticmotors
samuk
Gregyboy

You're not disputing it either. Ife seems to be the cradle.

Tareq1105:
Actually an Ibo colleague in the office had told me this before. This is being confirmed by the Obi himself.

God will help us.

Did you understand what the king said, not what your colleague told you?

AreaFada2:
It still does not prove that all came from Ife. Ugbo people owned Ife previously but they are not called Ado-Ugbo.
HRM Oba Akinruntan even called his company Obat Oil after Obatala, owner of original Ife.

Just because people gathered doesn't mean all came from Ife. The whole Ife story is strange. Yorubaland is at least over 2000 years old. Much more in my view. How come Oduduwa who came around 1000 years ago is the father of all Yoruba? Spiritual leader/father, yes plausible. Physical Baba, not plausible.

In Benin, morning greetings is used to recognise your family descent daily. Just in case praise name/unwanwhen/like Yoruba Oriki is not practical every morning. Although praise name should follow after you greet an elder with family linage greeting.
Automaticmotors
samuk
Gregyboy

Morning greeting use to be followed with lineage recognition and hyping the Oriki thing is a daily thing in Yoruba culture. If you see everyone do it doesn't mean its no more part of the Yoruba culture.

Housing:
Morning greeting use to be followed with lineage recognition and hyping the Oriki thing is a daily thing in Yoruba culture. If you see everyone do it doesn't mean its no more part of the Yoruba culture.

Give me examples of such morning lineage greetings.

Examples like:

Bashorun family of Oyo
Balogun of Ake/under Alake
Odofin of Ijesha

Owa Obokun family
Awujale family
Timi of Ede family.

And other Family MORNING greetings.

Not talking of oriki generally like "Omo Owa Obokun" to praise Deji of Akure people, for example. Because I know my family oriki in Yorubaland.

Justiceganduje:
Obi of Onitsha is not the custodian of Igbo.

Of course he isn't, and cannot be. He's not an Iboman, but a Yoruba man.

Orobadmeat:
The Post is not about Biafra please, That people migrate from a region don't mean they should share a country with you, that people speak same language don't mean they should share a country with you, allow people self determination,

But you people want Ikwerre to be part of your 'country '. You ALWAYS think without reasoning.

PressMyButton:
You named your common heritage, the throne of your ancestors after an adopted name, a name of a strange land?. How wise are you?. Better sit down and be humble.

"An appendage is a thing that is added or attached to something larger or more important"

It's only a foolish mind that analyses issues to suit a preconceived notion. Ado ni Idu is an appendage to a much more important identity which is Onicha, an indigenous Igbo name. "Onicha" communities are found in all over Igbo land.

This issue is way above your comprehension. Get a translator to help you with what the monarch said.

Igbos didn't have kingship institution until when British colonial made some individuals as their puppet kings.

That Eze and Obi titles are just a modern creation and as such they are inconsequential to their original culture.

jimetagambo:
I have always wondered why the Obi of Onitsha dresses as a SW king and not like other Igbo ezes. It's starting to make sense now.

StUriah:
Igbos didn't have kingship institution until when British colonial made some individuals as their puppet kings.

That Eze and Obi titles are just a modern creation and as such they are inconsequential to their original culture.

What an ignorant set of people! The Obi stool of Nnewi was established 300 years before that of Onitsha. What's going on here. Lazy readers everywhere

IgbuduMonkey:
I think he was an Itsekiri prince that was sent to Portugal, his name was Dom Domingos. A popular secondary school is named after him

You are right.

Shattuck:
😂😂😂 Benin learnt bronze craft from ife ? Ancient ife wasn't even a monarchy, at some point strangers ruled ife even till today the ife royal household is being contested by several families and the ooni title is rotated among these families. An exiled bini prince ruled ife.

The current descendants of the Ogisos - present day Ogiamen (i.e. indigenes Oranmiyan met in Bini) have no oral record of any exiled prince or erakadehran.

Shattuck:
the obi of onitsha dresses more like a bini man than a Yoruba man, and he also traced his ancestry to bini kingdom, ife which influenced the entire Yoruba race was also influenced by the bini kingdom.

If you have historical sources to back up the bolded, please share.

Ife influenced Bini from the few historical books made available by European explorers. Even the famous artworks of Bini were learnt from Ife.

MightySparrow:
See delusion. Which influenced the other? You cannot find any traces of Benin influence on ife or Yoruba till date. Benin bear Yoruba names, worship their idols, has a dynasty from Yoruba. Earliest historian like Egharevba, who were closer to elders wrote correct history in 1930s that are twisted today.

If Oduduwa is from Benin what legacy did he leave in Ìfẹ as a Benin Son?

When Sango was going to revenge the maltreatment of his grandfather, he turned north but couldn't proceed further because of Niger River. Why didn't he face Benin?

Jjust mention one legacy of Benin on Ife and Yorubas. Even the bronze craft was of Benin was learned from Ìfẹ. Check the history.

You are right.

Housing:
Ado is a very common name to relate to Ife. Meaning where we stand after leaving Ife. We have than twenty towns that have the morphism e.g. Ado-Odo, Ado-Ota, Ado-Ekiti, Ado in Ibeju Lekki, Ado in Ojo along Badagry Expressway and many more

Ado could be from the word Aduro.

Amayabor1:
Eben has been benin from a long time. If any traditional ruler uses it in the SW, it is a sign they have their origin from Benin

Housing:
Eben and Ada were the symbol of authority that On I use to hand over to the new Bini King in the time immemorial. Bini running away from Yoruba ancestry is simply illogical. Omo Ada Omo Eben. I am an Ijebu man with Bini ancestry from my mother side. Bini were from Ile Ife their language change due to cultural diffusion.

That insignia is very common in Yoruba land it in on my family Official letter headed paper.

Every olojo day in ife, the Ooni of Ife carries an Ada. The Ooni's staff (rod) on olojo has several small Adas/ebens on it.

AreaFada2:
His royal majesty is a revered monarch. However, Ife was never known as Ado.

Ife was known as Ado. European explorers.

AyakaDunukofia:
"An appendage is a thing that is added or attached to something larger or more important"

It's only a foolish mind that analyses issues to suit a preconceived notion. Ado ni Idu is an appendage to a much more important identity which is Onicha, an indigenous Igbo name. "Onicha" communities are found in all over Igbo land.

This issue is way above your comprehension. Get a translator to help you with what the monarch said.

Lol.

AyakaDunukofia:
What an ignorant set of people! The Obi stool of Nnewi was established 300 years before that of Onitsha. What's going on here. Lazy readers everywhere

What is the title of the Nnewi royal house?. Onitcha's title is Ado n' Idu which is a reference to its ancestral connection.

blowjohn:
Las las na Egypt all of us come from.

I agree with this point of view.

musicwriter:
This topic isn't for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to comment on. This is a history that's almost lost and not even known to historians, except as the Ooni of Ife regularly tries to enlighten everyone based on the oral history passed to him as well.

“We still have House of Igbo right in this palace till date. We call it Ile Igbo up till now. Our ancestors are buried and transfigured there. That is where kolanut was first discovered and nurtured.

“The Igbos are still the biggest consumers and users of kolanut which is only planted in Yorubaland till date. Can the Igbos do without kolanut? ”

“The ancient Igbo house is one of the most sacred places in this palace till date..........The Ooni of Ife

I'll provide more details in my upcoming book. But you can get ahead with the attached information

I would really love to read your book when it's out.

gidgiddy:
Mischief makers who dont understand what the Obi of Onitsha said because they don't understand Igbo language

What the Obi of Onitsha said is that Onitsha are Igbos who initially left the East and ventured to Ife(Ado) but later had a misunderstanding with Ife people, then decided to return home. On their way back, they passed through Bini(Idu), crossed the River Niger and and settled in present day Onitsha. He also said that those Igbos founded several communities along the way back to the East, the Igbos of Delta State(Anioma)

He was adamant that they were initially Igbo, not Ife or Bini. Onitsha was founded by Igbos who were reverse-migrating

Thanks for that explanation.The founder of Onitsha is Eze Chima,is Eze Chima not an Igbo name?can someone tell me the meaning of Eze Chima in Benin language.

Otuegbe:
Reno, Onitsha has always proclaimed they are not Igbo.. Not a new revelation. The city is Igbo City but the people migrated long time ago. I remember when I used to live at bishop onyeabo, inland town.Every other person is referred as 'nwa onyi igbo' by them.
So calm yourself down. Not a new thing. Now we have integrated
You can see Igbos are accommodating. The obi is even the chairman of the committee of kings in Igbo Land. If you have lived in Igbo Land you will nthe love and care for strangers. NB: obi said they passed through Ife and Benin and not that they originated from there.

False.
Migration FROM Ice and Benin is different from THROUGH. Don't re-write his claim as typical Ibis are wont to do.

Me after reading 1 Full page : Okay oo

0neal:
Is Zik really an Igbo man??

Asks a fake Igbo.