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Gerrard59:
Probavly so as they are direct descendants of African and Caribbean migrants who willingly moved to Europe.

jesmond3945:
you are right but how come they were able to make their immoral cultire mainstream that even people outside Us copied it. Even their challenge ceiling was glamorized by nigerian girls.

TimiRume:
I just can't relate. I wish they can travel out of the US and see how the rest of the world is. They make what is flawed or immoral their mainstream culture. Other ethnicities have their bleeped up sides but they don't glamorize them to the extent of making it the face of their ethnic group

jesmond3945:
but you can see the influence and power they command all over. Even girls in the uk copy them. Cardi b, nicki minaj, and other female rappers. Even the long nails that you see most girls carrying whats birthed by cardi b. So why are people not copying white girls instead?

Gerrard59:
Looking at OP's profile history, I am willing to bet two things:

- He is a fanatical member of the so-called ADOS (American Descendants of Slaves): This group of people see themselves as the native black population since they were taken to the US against their will and suffered humiliations to be what they are today. They see themselves as different from other black groups such as Caribbean or Africans who went to the US willingly and did not experience the heinous slave atrocities against black people.

- A white supremacist: This one loves to put a spanner in the works in order to achieve divide and conquer against black groups from different places. A divided house is bound to fall as it is susceptible to influences by outsiders.

The ADOS is promoted by Tariq Nasheed, a drifter who once supported white supremacists and now tries to create the next big thing - all aimed at getting money from donors. He once told Nigerians during one of the ever-tiring diaspora wars to support them financially if they (Nigerians) don't want to be harassed online by his fanatical followers.

That said, there are many misconceptions about OP's tirade:

African Americans, or AA for short, are not lazy as peddled. If they were, they won't be the richest set of black people globally. Sure, they have issues about their communities, some of which are as a result of ill-fated policies which are not working, destruction of the family system and historical humiliation. Just like every other racial group, they have their faults. However, I strongly oppose that black Africans should be the one demonising them as we are not any better. The same issues they face, we experience them, and with excruciating poverty at the same time. It is like someone from Borno mocking a Somalian.

It behoves on us as black Africans to ensure Africa works as that will be the reason AAs would want to respect us and maybe work with us in the future. As it is, they don't see any gain in working with us - our cultures differ, ditto issues. The major problem facing black people is crude racial discrimination, which they, too, suffer from, although only mildly, as they are Americans. Once they leave America, especially to places with few black people, they are considered Africans. And that is what they don't like - experiencing slurs simply because they are black even when they don't deserve those slurs as they did not cause it.

Unfortunately, the world does not work like that. Black people are very poor, and this is because sub-Saharan Africa - home to the black race - is notoriously impoverished. Before the rise of China, a Taiwanese would have been treated as a poor person even though Taiwan, a then Asian Tiger, was prosperous. But today, every Chinese is respected because the populous Chinese nation is wealthy. For racial discrimination against black people, whether from Barbados or Ecuador or Atlanta, to subside drastically, the most populous black environment has to be rich. No one disrespects a rich person because of the economic consequences. However, poor people are either disrespected or pitied; the former often happens. I have a thread on it: https://www.nairaland.com/5886610/racism-against-blacks-reduce-drastically

P.S. Discrimination is a human phenomenon. To discriminate is human. Humans are tribal.

googi:
Hypocrisy at the highest!

Are you guys talking about Nigerians or African Americans? If you guys are so intelligent, so morally upright, you could have led the whole of the Black Race in your own country. Is it kettle calling charcoal black or charcoal calling kettle black.

The worst set of Africans that are willing to forfeit millions of dollars and euros just to run home after money laundering. Most of us with all the education, skills and culture Black Americans wished for, are looking for your first million, sell properties, land and your children in disguise for "good education" just to run out of the villages you call ZOO.

You risk death penalties in Asia, organ transplant crossing desert and sea while the most arable land in the world is left to fallow with blood of your country men, women and children.

Wow! We have the nerve to point to African Americans sold into slavery out of greed in exchange for mirrors all kinds of name pointing one finger while four soiled point back to us.

The first country in the world that is so obsessed with money, made a bundle from Oil Income and Drugs but remains the abject poverty capital of the world.

But wait o. Apart from the United States where Africans are doing better than African Americans, name one country, just one country where you are doing better than them. Please do.

And that includes your own country NIGERIA! Are you better off than African Americans in Nigeria?

Gerrard59:
It is not like there is a black group that is better than African Americans. Black South Africans are better off than Nigerians. Honestly, I don't understand this braggadocio from citizens of the country with the most poor people globally. Nigerians lack every moral right to criticise African Americans.

Kenn55:
I can see some people making excuses for BAs. I'm not a fan of excuses or blame game cos if we dwell on that, it will end up pointing back to God and the question will be God, why did you create the world. Excuses and blame is the only thing everyone can do effortlessly without going to school to learn it.

I don't in anyway downplay the past terrible experiences of BAs, the same way I don't downplay that of black nations who suffered colonization and exploitation. Both BAs and black nations suffered in the past. However, this is 2023 and these excuses are now moot. If not, the question will be at what point P or time T or year Y or moment M are we going to break from the past? 50 years from now? 100 years? What has happened in the past despite how terrible it was can't be undone unfortunately so what happens next?

There is nothing wrong with failure. Failure is normal and part of life but you have to own it. If you fail, rather than excuses or blame game, own it and work harder to change the story. If not, in the next 100 years nothing will change after all you will have something to blame it on.

Japan is the only country that has been nuked. The 2nd world war brought Japan to her knees. But Japan rose from the ashes of the war to become the world's 2nd largest economy despite not having natural resources. China just overtook them last decade.

If Japan was a black nation, they would have used the nuclear attack as an excuse to fail. They will tell you that it will take 200 years to recover. If Japan was an Arab nation, they will use that excuse to birth many terror groups. In fact, they would have had more terror organizations than factories, they will use that unfortunate event as a rallying cry to not move forward

Like I said before, there is no need singling out BAs among other blacks. The reality is that collectively, every black group has failed whether BAs or Black African nations. The question now is what are we doing now to ensure that the future is better? If not, by 2080 this narrative will still be in play.

I rest my case.

BlackhatMentor:
I'm not racist but I can't stand black Americans especially their women.


I sincerely cannot stand their voice, their mannerisms and demeanor.

It seems all of them there are gangsters and just can't wait to hurt you either physically if male or emotionally if female... They're just like that like that.

To worsen the whole thing they have this very very annoying entitlement mentality.

They feel white people owe them everything in this life and also feel black people in Africa are beneath them and somehow betrayed them or something.

Majority of them are extremely Lazy... I mean, you're in USA, the economic capital of the world and instead they choose to be a useless gangster killing themselves up and down.

A country where even Europeans and Asians are dying to enter.

Have you seen their females talk?
Your ears will bleed... How the hell they learn to talk like that anyway? Very dull sets of people... It seems all the great intellectual people in their community have been murdered or assassinated... All they have left as influence are bunch of brainless and brainwashed celebrities under the control of Israeli brutal businessmen.





English black people? Different case... Those ones are better and have Some sort of class.

SIRTee15:
This is really powerful. Thanks for bringing this insightful piece. A departure to the shallow rhetorics parroted by the op.
Articles like this is how we move forward. Recognise the problem and then talk about solution.
Not just shouting black Americans are lazy up and down.

grandstar, u omitted the master of all problems affecting the BA community...drugs.
The introduction of drug business by the CIA and FBI into the black American community during the Regan yrs destroyed the work ethic spirit amongst the blacks. Unfortunately the business put them at constant breach of the law and risk of arrest.
The funny thing is African Americans themselves don't use these drugs, the biggest consumers of drugs in America are whites. The importers are Hispanics not blacks. The big players in the drug business are whites and Hispanics not blacks.
But the street traders are blacks. They are the ones pushing and selling the little grams on the street.
The consequences are dire. Blacks gets arrested more for selling drugs, that means more blacks get jailed for drug related offences compared to other race.
The decision to push drugs into the BA community in the 80s was a deliberate one by the American govt to further weaken and destroy the cohesion/value system within the BA community.

I strongly believe the BA community has what it takes to surpass other race in America including whites. They did it in the past even in the face of terrible oppression.

Gerrard59:
Na my argument be this. We don't have the moral right to lampoon them as we are not any better. If we had built a prosperous and functioning country, then we could beat our chest to point out their flaws.



Black African migrants don't out-perform AAs. Obviously, it is as a result of sheer numbers, but by every stat, they perform better than black African migrants. The problem with some of the stats lie in how they are composed: every black group is lumped together.

Sladem05:
Africans and Carribeans in America do outperform Black Americans

SIRTee15:
This is really powerful. Thanks for bringing this insightful piece. A departure to the shallow rhetorics parroted by the op.
Articles like this is how we move forward. Recognise the problem and then talk about solution.
Not just shouting black Americans are lazy up and down.

grandstar, u omitted the master of all problems affecting the BA community...drugs.
The introduction of drug business by the CIA and FBI into the black American community during the Regan yrs destroyed the work ethic spirit amongst the blacks. Unfortunately the business put them at constant breach of the law and risk of arrest.
The funny thing is African Americans themselves don't use these drugs, the biggest consumers of drugs in America are whites. The importers are Hispanics not blacks. The big players in the drug business are whites and Hispanics not blacks.
But the street traders are blacks. They are the ones pushing and selling the little grams on the street.
The consequences are dire. Blacks gets arrested more for selling drugs, that means more blacks get jailed for drug related offences compared to other race.
The decision to push drugs into the BA community in the 80s was a deliberate one by the American govt to further weaken and destroy the cohesion/value system within the BA community.

I strongly believe the BA community has what it takes to surpass other race in America including whites. They did it in the past even in the face of terrible oppression.

Sladem05:
Blacks in Europe are.

Sladem05:
Richest Blacks Globally? On average yes, but that’s just cause they are in America. The richest blacks are in Africa not the US.

Blacks in America come last for everything whether that is education, income, health outcomes etc.

sheeda995:
You typed rubbish. You think Africans are smarter than AA? You must be an educated illiterate. African countries are all ghetto, Nigeria is a ghetto and majority of Nigerians are dumb. Now let me educate you, most Nigerians migrating to US are special ones,iy means they are either very smart ones that got there through scholarship or rich enough to afford it,it's natural for them to thrive. Even with this,migrants do not thrive as much as black Americans,I don't know where you are seeing your nonsense statistics. There are alot of billionaire millionaire black Americans,black American women are the most educated,go to New York city,there are a lot of black Americans women owned companies. I have lots of Black American women and I've worked with a lot as well,they have taught me so many things your Nigerian professors do not know. Now let's go to systematic inequities,please read that yourself so you can understand why your country is poor. Black Americans built United States of America and in all ways are better than Africans, they have the right to think they are better because they are intellectually and financially. When it comes to accent,maybe you should listen to how Africans speak before you abuse them. An average Nigerian speak like when you put YouTube speed in 0.5. Kindly keep your racism to yourself, I'm African and inspired by black Americans

Badadvisor:
They own rap and hip hop bro.
You'd list 5 black rappers more successful and known before naming a white.
Eminem is dope no doubt but we got way better rapper like pac,biggie, nas and so many other lyricist that'd give Eminem a run.
Other genre of music yeah whites take the lead.

Gerrard59:
How exactly? Surely those in the UK and to an extent France. Elsewhere, the fortunes of blacks in Europe aren't that favourable compared to their African counterparts in the US (ex. African Americans).

Gerrard59:
Obviously, the wealthiest blacks (that is, individuals) would be in where there is a greater percentage of them. So, mathematically, it is appropriate. However, as a group, the wealthiest set of black people are African Americans. If it is because they are in the US, why are those in France not as wealthy as they are or more than them? Isn't France a top 10 global economy?

As for your second statement, look at the mirror. The stats for those indices are way worse for black Africans in Africa than African Americans.

Gerrard59:
Small sub-set compared to a much bigger set.

Sladem05:
Nonsense
1. Hispanics have overtaken Blacks in population numbers as well as income, economic contribution and so on. Hispanics and Asians are the hardest working in America. The food, the infrastructure, tech space. They are the ones controlling it. Asians help America retain its scientific and technological leadership. Silicon Valley is just Chinese and Indian Visa students.

2. Hispanic GDP is 3 trillion USD vs Blacks at 1.5 trillion.

3. Hispanics don’t commit as much crime, they outperform Blacks academically, economically and in every way that matters. Compare Black test scores, IQs and incomes to others in the US.

4. Blacks have always been at the bottom of America. America is a European civilisation just like Canada,NZ and Australia. The US wasn’t designed for Black people. They ain’t surpassing nothing. Hispanics and Asians have surpassed them. Even African and Carribean immigrants have.

5. Cartels have a presence in America. But Hispanics and Whites don’t suffer from drug abuse as much as black Americans do.

SIRTee15:
Have U heard of black wall street?

Sladem05:
Yup it was destroyed, but the point is blacks are very much a marginalised group in America. They were enslaved and segregated by the whites. They live in a country that’s never going to see them as being apart of that society.

Kenn55:
I can see some people making excuses for BAs. I'm not a fan of excuses or blame game cos if we dwell on that, it will end up pointing back to God and the question will be God, why did you create the world. Excuses and blame is the only thing everyone can do effortlessly without going to school to learn it.

I don't in anyway downplay the past terrible experiences of BAs, the same way I don't downplay that of black nations who suffered colonization and exploitation. Both BAs and black nations suffered in the past. However, this is 2023 and these excuses are now moot. If not, the question will be at what point P or time T or year Y or moment M are we going to break from the past? 50 years from now? 100 years? What has happened in the past despite how terrible it was can't be undone unfortunately so what happens next?

There is nothing wrong with failure. Failure is normal and part of life but you have to own it. If you fail, rather than excuses or blame game, own it and work harder to change the story. If not, in the next 100 years nothing will change after all you will have something to blame it on.

Japan is the only country that has been nuked. The 2nd world war brought Japan to her knees. But Japan rose from the ashes of the war to become the world's 2nd largest economy despite not having natural resources. China just overtook them last decade.

If Japan was a black nation, they would have used the nuclear attack as an excuse to fail. They will tell you that it will take 200 years to recover. If Japan was an Arab nation, they will use that excuse to birth many terror groups. In fact, they would have had more terror organizations than factories, they will use that unfortunate event as a rallying cry to not move forward

Like I said before, there is no need singling out BAs among other blacks. The reality is that collectively, every black group has failed whether BAs or Black African nations. The question now is what are we doing now to ensure that the future is better? If not, by 2080 this narrative will still be in play.

I rest my case.

SIRTee15:
So what is the solution. That's my point.

Sladem05:
It’s starts at the home. Too many African Americans are fatherless.

SIRTee15:
Why are they fatherless. Guy U are not addressing the root cause of black Americans problem.
I just shooting blame up and down..

googi:
I think this Sladem05 is too ignorant to be a well informed African.

SirTee15 killed all your ignorance by asking you about Black Wall Street.

You do not understand what the intolerance or any successful African American business mean in America. From Agricultural farms to G.I Bill after WWII.

Sladem05 still cannot understand or answer the question of why you hardly find poor African American outside America. He keeps on comparing Africans and West Indians in Europe to African Americans in America.

Again, how many poor African Americans do you know outside America, including Nigeria?

The case of Black Wall Street should have told you the forces of evil in America is solidly against them. It is like building and making progress only to be destroyed and starting all over.

This is why they campaign about their "good old days".