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KnownUnknown:
Lmao. Nice straw man here. Take two words out of the sentence just a to write some unfounded remark.


I didn’t encourage or discourage anyone. All I did was guffaw at ancient Rosicrucian order because I’ve read enough to find it funny.

**now take “read enough” out of context to make another silly remark.

Have you read any of the books in this thread, Unknown.

Can you kindly refer me to one single book out of all those you read about ancient Rosicrucian order that you found funny so I may read and guffaw at it too please?

budaatum:
Have you read any of the books in this thread, Unknown.

Can you kindly refer me to one single book out of all those you read about ancient Rosicrucian order that you found funny so I may read and guffaw at it too please?

We obviously don’t have the same sense of humor if you can’t find the absurdity in “ancient Rosicrucian order”.

KnownUnknown:
We obviously don’t have the same sense of humor if you can’t find the absurdity in “ancient Rosicrucian order”.

How can you tell if you don't share with me 'the absurdity in “ancient Rosicrucian order"' you found?

budaatum:
How can you tell if you don't share with me 'the absurdity in “ancient Rosicrucian order"' you found?

I can tell from our interactions and your posts. I will always find the mystical absurd and often time hilarious and it’s apparent that’s not your view. e.g. The picture at the beginning of the book in the op and the “great white brotherhood” are enough for eye rolling and laughter.

If you know the layout and nature of the desert, you can quickly discount the mirages. I have a cogent hold on the nature of the desert so the mirages can only be amusing as others gawk at them.

Europeans claiming “ancient” mystical knowledge are as trustworthy as the Babalawos that have refused to collect that young man’s N2.5 million.

The supernatural is inherently nonsense so I don’t have to read the Book of Mormon to discount everything a Mormon believes or laugh at their special underwear or their “white and delightsome” god that made melanin rich skin a “curse”. Reading about Joseph Smith and his golden plates is enough to cause a guffaw. Apply same to the Rosicrucians and whatever nonsense they claim.

KnownUnknown:
I can tell from our interactions and your posts.

Known, you have not shown an understanding of any of my posts, so whatever you claim to be able to tell is false. Its why I engage with you too. So that you may know for yourself that which is currently unknown to you.

budaatum:
Known, you have not shown an understanding of any of my posts, so whatever you claim to be able to tell is false. Its why I engage with you too. So that you may know for yourself that which is currently unknown to you.

You know, that’s just your opinion man!

KnownUnknown:
You know, that’s just your opinion man!

Lol, known. Your's was just your opinion too, or wasn't it? Am I wrong in doing to you as you did to me?

Any way, let's get back to what we can objectively critique, shall we?

KnownUnknown:
I can tell from our interactions and your posts. I will always find the mystical absurd and often time hilarious and it’s apparent that’s not your view. e.g. The picture at the beginning of the book in the op and the “great white brotherhood” are enough for eye rolling and laughter.

If you know the layout and nature of the desert, you can quickly discount the mirages. I have a cogent hold on the nature of the desert so the mirages can only be amusing as others gawk at them.

Europeans claiming “ancient” mystical knowledge are as trustworthy as the Babalawos that have refused to collect that young man’s N2.5 million.

The supernatural is inherently nonsense so I don’t have to read the Book of Mormon to discount everything a Mormon believes or laugh at their special underwear or their “white and delightsome” god that made melanin rich skin a “curse”. Reading about Joseph Smith and his golden plates is enough to cause a guffaw. Apply same to the Rosicrucians and whatever nonsense they claim.

In Buddhism, it is said that the person at the bottom of the mountain can not see what the person at the top sees,

I think we must be done here, for I see no point in giving countenance or time to those who think reading "the picture at the beginning of the book" is enough for them to claim they know what is obviously unknown to them.

I do not expect you to comprehend the significance of the below and have not included it for your benefit, so just do not read it if you wouldn't please. As for my current reading, here, with no mirages on the cover to mystify you.

budaatum:
Lol, known. Your's was just your opinion too, or wasn't it? Am I wrong in doing to you as you did to me?

Any way, let's get back to what we can objectively critique, shall we?



In Buddhism, it is said that the person at the bottom of the mountain can not see what the person at the top sees,

I think we must be done here, for I see no point in giving countenance or time to those who think reading "the picture at the beginning of the book" is enough for them to claim they know what is obviously unknown to them.

I do not expect you to comprehend the significance of the below and have not included it for your benefit, so just do not read it if you wouldn't please. As for my current reading, here, with no mirages on the cover to mystify you.

Buddhism. Another crock but whatever floats your boat. How can we be done when we never started?
There is nothing to be learned from the nonsense you parade when one is not susceptible to rubbish.
Glad to see your current reading is not complete bladerdash.

If you’ve found the ideas the mystical is built upon, why would you waste time reading the musings of some “ancient order” of nonsense?

Yes, the picture at the beginning of the book is more than enough. Maybe if he had painted the picture of The Master Krishna I’d be more interested. Lol

Superman had used every one of the powers coming into his being, through the perfect attunement he had with the Krypton, to restore strength and consciousness to every part of his body and to all of his highly developed faculties.

In quietness and peace the Avengers journeyed to their homes in Titan to dwell among their brothers and sisters. That night Thanos appeared among the clerics in the retreat at Carmel and retired to the rooms that had been set aside for him as his sanctum. Thus the door of his public life was closed to humanity.

KnownUnknown:
If you’ve found the ideas the mystical is built upon, why would you waste time reading the musings of some “ancient order” of nonsense?

KnownUnknown, don't you think you should have considered your time before wasting it in this waste of your time thread?

Do you seriously think one who "found the ideas the mystical is built upon" wouldn't be much wiser than you are being and at least not guffaw at a book they never read and only saw the cover of?

budaatum:
KnownUnknown, don't you think you should have considered your time before wasting it in this waste of your time thread?

A couple of minutes to bat down nonsense are never wasted.

budaatum:
Do you seriously think one who "found the ideas the mystical is built upon" wouldn't be much wiser than you are being and at least not guffaw at a book they never read and only saw the cover of?

Like I said before, I don’t need to read the “mystical life” of guy that never existed to know its mostly rubbish.

My two previous posts prior to this one are excepts from the book with a couple of substituted words to highlight the nonsense you are parading.

Any book of mysticism that claims to know some “esoteric” truth is nonsense unless the author is actually telling the truth about mysticism i.e. actually offering explanations that can be verified. Maybe you should go read about the profane reality that the sacred nonsense is built upon then you’d stop thinking you understand things you obviously don’t.

Let’s try this.
What does Genesis 3:15 represent?

KnownUnknown:
Let’s try this.
What does Genesis 3:15 represent?

"Represent" is a weired word, known. Please let me first tell you what it is, see if we agree, before it is re-presented by either of us.

Genesis 3:15, is a section in a book written by some people that reads as follows:

And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

budaatum:
"Represent" is a weired word, known. Please let me first tell you what it is, see if we agree, before it is re-presented by either of us.

Genesis 3:15, is a section in a book written by some people that reads as follows:

And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

Of course it was written by people. Who else writes books? Lol. You love to beat around the bush.

Anyway, what does it represent?

KnownUnknown:
Maybe you should go read about the profane reality that the sacred nonsense is built upon then you’d stop thinking you understand things you obviously don’t.

Care to recommend any please?

KnownUnknown:
Of course it was written by people. Who else writes books? Lol. You love to beat around the bush.

Anyway, what does it represent?

It does not represent anything to me unknown, but it is an attempt of the writers to control women.

What does it represent to you please?

Link update.

https://www.rosicrucian.org/rosicrucian-books-the-mystical-life-of-jesus

budaatum:
So, if buda find "a fact that is hidden" buda must not share it with vaxx? Is it by not bibliographing that they hide what they know, and more which they can't know so can't bibliograph anyway? Is it not so you do not know the little they do know that they don't bibliograph the little that they know? Is it not true if buda don't mention to vaxx what buda find buda will be hiding from vaxx, a sin for which is hell, for no one who finds a good thing shall hide it? If buda do not share with vaxx with whom shall buda share? Or do you assume that all that is known is bibliographed?

No, buda shall not wait for bibliographs before buda shares with vaxx what buda finds that might be hidden to vaxx! We will write what needs to be bibliographed so vaxx can see!

Vaxx , a neutral person has identified the fatal flaw in your entire worldview with one simple brilliant sentence:


" You don't claim a fact that is hidden"

Your lengthy reply to this, which obviously angered you like a true believer was a masterpiece of evasion, designed to confuse this fundamental point.

A fact is by definition, verifiable. It can be examined, tested, and added to the body of public knowledge. This process requires what you mock as bibliography, the system of citations and evidence that prevents us from simply making things up in , "one's head and believing" it like you often like to repeat.

A hidden fact is a contradiction in terms. It is an unverifiable claim., in fact; it's not a fact at all. It's an article of faith.

So, for this, you, Budaatum,,, is not a brave sharer of hidden truth. You mocked bibliography. A strange behaviour from someone who claimed to be wildly read and enlightened.

You used the language of sharing while being part of a structurally secretive organisation

Your statement, ",we will write what needs to be bibliographed ", is ultimate admission of this.

You place the doctrine of your group, Amorc, above the methodology of knowledge. You believe your beliefs are so true that they don't need evidence, they will simply become the evidence. This is coming from the same person, you Budaatum, who declared in the other thread, " I hate beliefs " Lol

There's no skepticism here, no science, no history, but dogma.

And your desperate convoluted defense of it, which attacks the very concept of provable facts, is the another evidence that proves me right about what I have been saying concerning your pretenses

@Deepsight, come read Buda defending Amorc "hidden facts.

@ Meedon, come see your friend budaatum defending or may be , "just quoting Amorc " like he just "quote the Bible

triplechoice:
Vaxx , a neutral person has identified the fatal flaw in your entire worldview with one simple brilliant sentence:


" You don't claim a fact that is hidden"

Your lengthy reply to this, which obviously angered you like a true believer was a masterpiece of evasion, designed to confuse this fundamental point.

A fact is by definition, verifiable. It can be examined, tested, and added to the body of public knowledge. This process requires what you mock as bibliography, the system of citations and evidence that prevents us from simply making things up in , "one's head and believing" it like you often like to repeat.

A hidden fact is a contradiction in terms. It is an unverifiable claim., in fact; it's not a fact at all. It's an article of faith.

So, for this, you, Budaatum,,, is not a brave sharer of hidden truth. You mocked bibliography. A strange behaviour from someone who claimed to be wildly read and enlightened.

You used the language of sharing while being part of a structurally secretive organisation

Your statement, ",we will write what needs to be bibliographed ", is ultimate admission of this.

You place the doctrine of your group, Amorc, above the methodology of knowledge. You believe your beliefs are so true that they don't need evidence, they will simply become the evidence. This is coming from the same person, you Budaatum, who declared in the other thread, " I hate beliefs " Lol

There's no skepticism here, no science, no history, but dogma.

And your desperate convoluted defense of it, which attacks the very concept of provable facts, is the another evidence that proves me right about what I have been saying concerning your pretenses

@Deepsight, come read Buda defending Amorc "hidden facts.

@ Meedon, come see your friend budaatum defending or may be , "just quoting Amorc " like he just "quote the Bible

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All mystical orders by their very nature are rooted in what is called or seen to be hidden knowledge, and this is the real definition of the word "occult" - it refers to knowledge of the hidden.

DeepSight:
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All mystical orders by their very nature are rooted in what is called or seen to be hidden knowledge, and this is the real definition of the word "occult" - it refers to knowledge of the hidden.

I know this, and you're very correct about this

However, my concern here' is with the term, "hidden fact", not "hidden knowledge" derived from hidden facts.

We all know that a fact is something that exists, is verifiable and is open to investigation. I acknowledge that data about something can be hidden or suppreressd so the public remains unaware of it

But if I claim the knowledge contained in a book I wrote is derived from "hidden facts" that exist in a secret location only I can access, would you believe me or take my word for it without bothering to know about the facts?

This is the crux of the matter concerning the book,"The Mystical Life of jesus"

triplechoice:
I know this, and you're very correct about this

However, my concern here' is with the term, "hidden fact", not "hidden knowledge" derived from hidden facts.

We all know that a fact is something that exists, is verifiable and is open to investigation. I acknowledge that data about something can be hidden or suppreressd so the public remains unaware of it

But if I claim the knowledge contained in a book I wrote is derived from "hidden facts" that exist in a secret location only I can access, would you believe me or take my word for it without bothering to know about the facts?

This is the crux of the matter concerning the book,"The Mystical Life of jesus"

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Yes your point is well made.

Budaatum are you a he or she?

Meedon:
Budaatum are you a he or she?

budaatum adopts the triple choice.

“My pronouns are ‘they, theirs, and them.’”

budaatum:
budaatum adopts the triple choice.

“My pronouns are ‘they, theirs, and them.’”

Perhaps, a transgenderrrrr

You are confusing my confusion

triplechoice:
Vaxx , a neutral person has identified the fatal flaw in your entire worldview with one simple brilliant sentence:

"You don't claim a fact that is hidden".

My dear long time friend Vaxx is not neutral where buda is concerned. Just stick both our monickers in the search and read our history to know.

Meedon:
You are confusing my confusion

Guilty as charged. It's what triple has been trying to convince you of.

My position is, my gender is not relevant except to those who wish to see under my skirt. And I don't intend to lift it up to be seen.

DeepSight:
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All mystical orders by their very nature are rooted in what is called or seen to be hidden knowledge, and this is the real definition of the word "occult" - it refers to knowledge of the hidden.

Do you think triple understood what he quoted?

Go on. You have a go and tell if his understanding is the same as yours.

budaatum:
So, if buda find "a fact that is hidden" buda must not share it with vaxx? Is it by not bibliographing that they hide what they know, and more which they can't know so can't bibliograph anyway? Is it not so you do not know the little they do know that they don't bibliograph the little that they know? Is it not true if buda don't mention to vaxx what buda find buda will be hiding from vaxx, a sin for which is hell, for no one who finds a good thing shall hide it? If buda do not share with vaxx with whom shall buda share? Or do you assume that all that is known is bibliographed?

No, buda shall not wait for bibliographs before buda shares with vaxx what buda finds that might be hidden to vaxx! We will write what needs to be bibliographed so vaxx can see!

budaatum:
Guilty as charged. It's what triple has been trying to convince you of.

My position is, my gender is not relevant except to those who wish to see under my skirt. And I don't intend to lift it up to be seen.

So Triple actually have the desire to see under your skirt and is that why he is always disturbing you about the AMORC post?

Meedon:
So Triple actually have the desire to see under your skirt and is that why he is always disturbing you about the AMORC post?

You will have to ask triple that. Metaphorically speaking though, I think he thinks he's seen what's under my skirt and intends to reveal it to you.

Triple is not disturbing me though. He is writing his opinion as he's entitled to, and that disturbs me not since many reading here, like you, have minds of your own and can form opinions of your own or buy his if that pleases you.

In fact, I'm amused to see him trying to implant his opinion in minds like he's accused me of doing. History will show how successful he's been, I guess.

budaatum:
You will have to ask triple that. Metaphorically speaking though, I think he thinks he's seen what's under my skirt and intends to reveal it to you.

Triple is not disturbing me though. He is writing his opinion as he's entitled to, and that disturbs me not since many reading here, like you, have minds of your own and can form opinions of your own or buy his if that pleases you.

In fact, I'm amused to see him trying to implant his opinion in minds like he's accused me of doing. History will show how successful he's been, I guess.

Well well let bygones be bygones. Make peace with Triple so that peace will reign

Meedon:
Well well let bygones be bygones. Make peace with Triple so that peace will reign

I'm not at war with triple. Nor do I think I'm disturbing the peace from reigning.

We fell out not agreeing about our opinions of near death experiences.

Ref:
https://www.nairaland.com/7726647/near-death-experience-atheist-professor/7#123900432

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind/36#116555518