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MaxInDHouse:
Did God have only one son or sons in the spirit realm? Genesis 6:2; Job 1:6

Only begotten Son has a meaning but there is no single verse that says God will die!

Funny Churchian don't know what he is saying yet arguing blindly!😀

That's not what I asked.

Show us where Jesus says he's just one of God's sons and not the only Son.

Dtruthspeaker:
Trinity recognises that Jesus is The Almighty God Who was and is and is to come

But you said the Father stepped back in Matthew 28:18 and made Jesus Almighty God.

MetalJigsaw:
That's not what I asked.
Show us where Jesus says he's just one of God's sons and not the only Son.

Moomoo!🤣
So Jesus must say he is not the only son of God before you believe what is written in the Bible that angels are sons of God shey? Genesis 6:2; Job 1:6

Your problem is the Trinity brainwashing but insincerity won't allow you to see beyond your nose!😀

Truthseeker10:
But you said the Father stepped back in Matthew 28:18 and made Jesus Almighty God.

Now you have moved post from trinity to stepping back of which I did not say that the step back took place in Mathew 28:18 which Mathew 28:18 does not The Father stepped back but that The Father had already given Him The Authority to exercise Godship over us.

So, you off point.

You have nothing valid or reasonable to say

Truthseeker10:
1)So what does it mean for the Father to have more Authority than Jesus?

2)explain 2 Peter 1:4.

It means the father is the source of the divine mature and the first person of the Godhead. That's also why he's the FATHER and Jesus THE SON. and the Holy spirit proceeds from him, making him the third person within tbe divine nature.

Although there's no time where Jesus wasn't begotten. Why is because they are divine beings, and divine beings are eternal. And eternal beings don't have beginning or end. Because they are not bound by time and space like we are.

That's why Jesus, just like his father, say he is the first and last, the beginning and the end

And I will show you verses if you ask.

I will address your last paragraph, when I return online..

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you have moved post from trinity to stepping back of which I did not say that the step back took place in Mathew 28:18 which Mathew 28:18 does not The Father stepped back but that The Father had already given Him The Authority to exercise Godship over us.

So, you off point.

You have nothing valid or reasonable to say

Below is your statement.

"I know you are referring to Jesus's Father Who is generally known and reffered to as The Almighty God.

But, anyone paying close attention will see that from Genesis to Revelations, the bible points to Jesus as our God as His Father stepped back and gave Him that Position as shown in Matthew 28:18".

1)In your statement above, you claim the Father was known as the Almighty God.

Where in the bible before Mathew 28:18 did the Father step back and gave Jesus the Position of Almighty God?

2)If Jesus was Always an Almighty God, why would the Father need to step back and Give Jesus that Position?

See brainwashing!🤣

If you ask him to start quoting where the thing he's typing could be found in the Bible now nah sorry you dey?😀

MetalJigsaw:
It means the father is the source of the divine mature and the first person of the Godhead. That's also why he's the FATHER and Jesus THE SON. and the Holy spirit proceeds from him, making him the third person within tbe divine nature.

Although there's no time where Jesus wasn't begotten. Why is because they are divine beings, and divine beings are eternal. And eternal beings don't have beginning or end. Because they are not bound by time and space like we are.

That's why Jesus, just like his father, say he is the first and last, the beginning and the end

Just like you and your wife are the source of your child's birth (Although God is the ultimate creator)

I will address your last paragraph, I got to go for now.

Truthseeker10:
Below is your statement.

"I know you are referring to Jesus's Father Who is generally known and reffered to as The Almighty God.

But, anyone paying close attention will see that from Genesis to Revelations,the bible points to Jesus as our God as His Father stepped back and gave Him that Position as shown in Matthew 28:18".

1)In your statement above, you claim the Father was known as the Almighty God.

Where in the bible before Mathew 28:18 did the Father step back and gave Jesus the Position of Almighty God?

2)If Jesus was Always an Almighty God, why would the Father need to step back and Give Jesus that Position?

1) First, Mathew 28:18 states that "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

Therefore the question which answers your questions is for you to find out when Jesus was GIVEN all His Power, most especially as we also know that Jesus did not start existing from Matthew 1.

MetalJigsaw:
It means the father is the source of the divine mature and the first person of the Godhead. That's also why he's the FATHER and Jesus THE SON. and the Holy spirit proceeds from him, making him the third person within tbe divine nature.

Although there's no time where Jesus wasn't begotten. Why is because they are divine beings, and divine beings are eternal. And eternal beings don't have beginning or end. Because they are not bound by time and space like we are.

That's why Jesus, just like his father, say he is the first and last, the beginning and the end

And I will show you verses if you ask.

I will address your last paragraph, when I return online..

1)So what are the Authorities that the Father has and that the son does not have.

2)Explain 2 Peter 1:4.

Dtruthspeaker:
1) First, Mathew 28:18 states that "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

Therefore the question which answers your questions is for you to find out when Jesus was GIVEN all His Power, most especially as we also know that Jesus did not start existing from Matthew 1.

So when Jesus was not yet GIVEN all His Power, he was not yet an Almighty God?

Truthseeker10:
So when Jesus was not yet GIVEN all His Power, he was not yet an Almighty God?

When was there a time that Jesus "was not yet GIVEN all His Power" to be The Almighty God? Anyway, that one is your own assignment and Off Point.

So, as i said you do not have any reasonable thing to say

Dtruthspeaker:
When was there a time that Jesus "was not yet GIVEN all His Power" to be The Almighty God? Anyway, that one is your own assignment and Off Point.

So, as i said you do not have any reasonable thing to say

So If Jesus has Always been Given All his Power before Matthew 28:18, When and How did the Father step back and and gave Jesus the Position of Almighty God?

Truthseeker10:
So If Jesus has Always been Given All his Power before Matthew 28:18, When and How did the Father step back and and gave Jesus the Position of Almighty God?

Go and ask the The Person Who gave Jesus All His Power in Mathew 28:18.

As i said, you do not have any reasonable thing to say

Dtruthspeaker:
Go and ask the The Person Who gave Jesus All His Power in Mathew 28:18.

As i said, you do not have any reasonable thing to say

You told me that the person stepped back and Gave Jesus the Position of Almighty God. So where and when did thw Father tell you that he Stepped back and Gave Jesus the Position that he had before?

Truthseeker10:
You told me that the person stepped back and Gave Jesus the Position of Almighty God. So where and when did thw Father tell you that he Stepped back and Gave Jesus the Position that he had before?

Does Mathew 28:18 not say that Jesus was Given all His Power to be in the position of The Almighty God?
Then go and ask the The Person Who gave Jesus All His Power in Mathew 28:18.

As i said you do not have any reasonable thing to say

Dtruthspeaker:
Does Mathew 28:18 not say that Jesus was Given all His Power to be in the position of The Almighty God?
Then go and ask the The Person Who gave Jesus All His Power in Mathew 28:18.

As i said you do not have any reasonable thing to say

1)Kindly bring out the statement in bold from Matthew 28:18.

2)Where does the Bible teach that The Father stepped back From the Position of Almighty God?

MetalJigsaw:
You lie about tne Holy Bible without no single shame and its not doing you any good at al. I pity your children sha😥

Show me where Jesus says he is just one of God's sons, instead of The Only Begotten Son of God. Show us the verse.

Being the only begotten son means is a unique son, which suggests that there are other sons but only Jesus is unique, one of a kind. You can go do research on what "begotten" means.

Job 38:7
"When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy"

MaxInthehouse already gave you other verses that show that angels are God's sons too.

cornelboy:
Being the only begotten son means is a unique son, which suggests that there are other sons but only Jesus is unique, one of a kind. You can go do research on what "begotten" means.

Job 38:7
"When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy"

MaxInthehouse already gave you other verses that show that angels are God's sons too.

You don join am?🤣🤣🤣 So una plenty?😂

Truthseeker10:
1)So what are the Authorities that the Father has and that the son does not have.

2)Explain 2 Peter 1:4.

. The Divine Persons in the Godhead—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—are co-equal, co-eternal, and share one divine essence, yet operate in distinct roles. Generally, the *Father plans creation and salvation,

* the Son executes (redeems) that plan,

*and the Holy Spirit applies or sanctifies, bringing God's work to completion in believers.




2 Peter 1:4 states that God has granted "exceedingly great and precious promises" that allow believers to share in the divine nature and escape the world's corruption caused by evil desires.

These promises enable believers to become more like Christ, transforming their character to reflect God's holiness.
Key Aspects of 2 Peter 1:4

The Divine Promises: God has provided everything necessary for a godly life, including promises of eternal life, forgiveness, and the presence of the Holy Spirit.

Partakers of the Divine Nature: Through these promises, believers are transformed, taking on God's divine character (holiness, love, goodness) rather than being controlled by human nature.

Escaping Corruption: These promises provide the spiritual strength to flee from the moral decay, lust, and sinful desires that corrupt the world.
Context (2 Peter 1:3-4):

These verses emphasize that divine power has already given believers everything needed for life and godliness through the knowledge of God. It contrasts the fleeting, destructive desires of the world with the lasting, transformative nature of God's

Even that title "Son Of God" really makes them uncomfortable because all what they expect to see in the Bible is "Jesus is God" but unfortunately their is no single verse to back up their Trinity!🤣

cornelboy:
Being the only begotten son means is a unique son, which suggests that there are other sons but only Jesus is unique, one of a kind. You can go do research on what "begotten" means.
Job 38:7
"When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy"
MaxInthehouse already gave you other verses that show that angels are God's sons too.

Dtruthspeaker:
Does Mathew 28:18 not say that Jesus was Given all His Power to be in the position of The Almighty God?
Then go and ask the The Person Who gave Jesus All His Power in Mathew 28:18.

As i said you do not have any reasonable thing to say

Please can you clarify what the argument is.?

Dtruthspeaker:
Does Mathew 28:18 not say that Jesus was Given all His Power to be in the position of The Almighty God?

NO!
Paul said:
.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him". 1Corinthans 15:27

MetalJigsaw:
You don join am?🤣🤣🤣 So una plenty?😂

This was never about joining a side here.


Scripture clearly and directly identifies the Father as the one true God. God Almighty is self-sufficient. He doesn't need other persons to complete Him or help Him function. The Trinity was never taught by Jesus or the Apostles. It is a doctrine invented by men, forced onto Scripture centuries later through heated councils and deliberate manipulation. As a result of that, millions of sincere people brainwashed into worshipping a three-headed God never described anywhere in the Bible.

cornelboy:
This was never about joining a side here.
Scripture clearly and directly identifies the Father as the one true God. God Almighty is self-sufficient. He doesn't need other persons to complete Him or help Him function. The Trinity was never taught by Jesus or the Apostles. It is a doctrine invented by men, forced onto Scripture centuries later through heated councils and deliberate manipulation. As a result of that, millions of sincere people brainwashed into worshipping a three-headed God never described anywhere in the Bible.

Trinity really demean as in defame the true God!😟

Dtruthspeaker:
Does Mathew 28:18 not say that Jesus was Given all His Power to be in the position of The Almighty God?
Then go and ask the The Person Who gave Jesus All His Power in Mathew 28:18.

As i said you do not have any reasonable thing to say

You don't need anyone to tell you that the giver will always be greater than the receiver. It's a simple logic. The relationship between Joseph and Pharaoh in Egypt perfectly explains that!

MetalJigsaw:
. The Divine Persons in the Godhead—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—are co-equal, co-eternal, and share one divine essence, yet operate in distinct roles. Generally, the *Father plans creation and salvation,

* the Son executes (redeems) that plan,

*and the Holy Spirit applies or sanctifies, bringing God's work to completion in believers.

So the Son cannot plan creation and Salvation?

2 Peter 1:4 states that God has granted "exceedingly great and precious promises" that allow believers to share in the divine nature and escape the world's corruption caused by evil desires.

These promises enable believers to become more like Christ, transforming their character to reflect God's holiness.
Key Aspects of 2 Peter 1:4

The Divine Promises: God has provided everything necessary for a godly life, including promises of eternal life, forgiveness, and the presence of the Holy Spirit.

Partakers of the Divine Nature: Through these promises, believers are transformed, taking on God's divine character (holiness, love, goodness) rather than being controlled by human nature.

Escaping Corruption: These promises provide the spiritual strength to flee from the moral decay, lust, and sinful desires that corrupt the world.
Context (2 Peter 1:3-4):

These verses emphasize that divine power has already given believers everything needed for life and godliness through the knowledge of God. It contrasts the fleeting, destructive desires of the world with the lasting, transformative nature of God's

Do all Trinitarians agree with your explanation above in bold of what it means to be Partakers of divine nature or this is your own interpretation?

MetalJigsaw:
That's not what I asked.

Show us where Jesus says he's just one of God's sons and not the only Son.

34 Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scriptures[a] that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’ 35 And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’ 36 why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world"
John 10:34-36

Jesus is God's son.
God's sons are gods.
Jesus is a god.
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*

An average trinitarian will repeatedly read this but still come back to tell you that Jesus is Almighty God!🙂

Janosky:
John 10:34-36
New International Version
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[a]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own Son and sent into the world?

Janosky:
34 Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scriptures[a] that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’ 35 And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’ 36 why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world"
John 10:34-36

Jesus is God's son.
God's sons are gods.
Jesus is a god.
[/b]

Gods like Jehovah right? 😂

Truthseeker10:
So the Son cannot plan creation and Salvation?



Do all Trinitarians agree with your explanation above in bold of what it means to be Partakers of divine nature or this is your own interpretation?

At your first question.

Not necessarily because the son is unable, but the roles he plays regarding creation. Reason why he's the Word of God.

1 Corinthians 8:6: Identifies one God (the Father) from whom all things come, and one Lord (Jesus Christ) through whom all things exist.

Colossians 1:16-17: Affirms that all things—heavenly, earthly, visible, and invisible—were created through and for Jesus, who also holds all things together.

Purpose: This phrase emphasizes that Christ is both the means of creation and the ultimate goal for which everything exists.


@Your second question its impossible for creatures to acquire God's attributes or essential requirements, not even in heaven, if that's what you're trying to communicate.
I thought I gave a verse BTW.

MetalJigsaw:
Gods like Jehovah right? 😂

You people don't read your Bible nah Trinity full unah head.🤣

Psalms 83:18

May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth. NWT

That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. KJV