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MetalJigsaw:
At your first question.

Not necessarily because the son is unable, but the roles he plays regarding creation. Reason why he's the Word of God.

1 Corinthians 8:6: Identifies one God (the Father) from whom all things come, and one Lord (Jesus Christ) through whom all things exist.

Colossians 1:16-17: Affirms that all things—heavenly, earthly, visible, and invisible—were created through and for Jesus, who also holds all things together.

Purpose: This phrase emphasizes that Christ is both the means of creation and the ultimate goal for which everything exists.

@Your second question its impossible for creatures to acquire God's attributes or essential requirements, if that what you're trying to communicate. I thought I gave a vers though.

Truthseeker10:
My question was specific. I was not asking for the role of the Father son and holy spirit.
You claimed here that the father has more authority than the son.
The question is simple. What Authorities does the father have that the son does not have? Kindly list it here.



What you explained earlier was humans partaking of God's nature by imitating God's character such as love, holiness and goodness. This is one view of Trinitarians.

Do you agree that 2 Peter 1:4 teaches that humans would be in union with God by participating in His divine energies, sharing in His life and Grace?

MetalJigsaw:
Didn't you ask whether the son can execute the roles of the father since they all have their distinctive roles? And I answered you.




Key aspects of the Father's role to Christ include:

* Sender of the Son: The Father initiated the plan of salvation by sending Jesus into the world.

* Source of Power and Words: Jesus stated that the Father working in him accomplished his miracles and that the words he spoke were not his own, but the Father's.

* Relationship of Love: The Father and Son are co-existent and equal, with the Father loving the Son and revealing Himself through him.

* Divine Affirmation: The Father publicly affirmed Jesus during key moments, such as his baptism and transfiguration, validating his ministry.

MetalJigsaw:
Didn't you ask whether the son can execute the roles of the father since they all have their distinctive roles? And I answered you.




Key aspects of the Father's role to Christ include:

* Sender of the Son: The Father initiated the plan of salvation by sending Jesus into the world.

* Source of Power and Words: Jesus stated that the Father working in him accomplished his miracles and that the words he spoke were not his own, but the Father's.

* Relationship of Love: The Father and Son are co-existent and equal, with the Father loving the Son and revealing Himself through him.

* Divine Affirmation: The Father publicly affirmed Jesus during key moments, such as his baptism and transfiguration, validating his ministry.
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Janosky:
Another being Jesus calls "my God,Father" (in heaven, Rev 3:2,12,) and (on earth , John 20:17,Matt 27:46) is equal with Jesus?

Na wa oooooo !

MedetalJigsaw:
Gods like Jehovah right? 😂

Oga, do you have more knowledge than Jesus ?
No.
You read Jesus said "gods" in your Bible,but you shift am to capitalize "Gods" wey no dey John 10:34-36 & Psalms 82:6 in your own Bible.
Oga,why do you deceive yourself?



Psalms 82:6 & John 10:34-36 is Jesus knowledge his Father (Senior) taught Jesus, John 7:16

cornelboy:
You don't need anyone to tell you that the giver will always be greater than the receiver. It's a simple logic. The relationship between Joseph and Pharaoh in Egypt perfectly explains that!

MetalJigsaw:
Is Jesus still in flesh in heaven? YES.

AkinwaleJJ:
NO!
Paul said:
.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him". 1Corinthans 15:27

MetalJigsaw:
Please can you clarify what the argument is.?

MetalJigsaw:
Jeremiah 32 v 27:

"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?".

Since Jesus came into the world and taking on flesh, the father becomes his God in that manner. However this doesn't diminish Christs divinity, because he shares the same divine properties with the Father and his Spirit.

MetalJigsaw:
Jeremiah 32 v 27:
Is Jesus still in flesh in heaven? YES

Dtruthspeaker:
Seeing that Mathew 28:18 proves that Jesus is God in that God gave Him such an authority the jws are now desperately struggling to o find how they can undermine Mathew 28:18. hence all the various attempts to circumvent its implication.

Dtruthspeaker:
Off Point! We are talking Mathew 28 18, you are talking 1 Corinthians...

Secondly no where did I say that The Giver in Matthew 28:18 is subject to Receiver.

MetalJigsaw:
That's true.

In Matthew 28:18 (NIV), Jesus declares,
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me," marking the start of the "Great Commission".

This statement establishes the resurrected Jesus as the supreme ruler over the universe, authorizing his disciples to go and make disciples of all nations.


Context: These words are spoken by Jesus to his disciples on a mountain in Galilee after his resurrection.

Significance: It serves as the foundation for the command to preach and teach, as the authority behind the mission is total, covering both heavenly and earthly realms

John 13:16,Oga,do you have more knowledge than Jesus ?
I stick to John 13:16, but your stance conflicting with Jesus teaching .

Janosky:
John 13:16,Oga,do you have more knowledge than Jesus ?
I stick to John 13:16, but your stance conflicting with Jesus teaching .

Janosky:
Deuteronomy 10:17
"Jehovah is the God of gods," (His sons- Jesus & all other beings,Psalms 82:6, John 10:34-36.)
@ Rev 3:2,12 was Jesus in heaven?
Yes.
Jesus & all beings owe their name to God our Father,Ephesians 3:14-15.
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.


"Jesus is a life giving Spirit", 1 Corinthians 15:20,45 NLT.
Oga,you remove am from your Bible?

MetalJigsaw:
Please clarify your argument.

MetalJigsaw:
pls Make your arguments more clearer And bief here.

MetalJigsaw:
Jeremiah 32 v 27:


"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?".

Since Jesus came into the world and taking on flesh, the father becomes his God in that manner. However this doesn't diminish Christs divinity, because he shares the same divine properties with the Father and his Spirit.

Is Jesus still in flesh in heaven? YES

cornelboy:
So there's flesh in heaven now? Thought only spirit beings are in heaven.

So who was Jesus before he came to earth? And what was the father to him before he came to the world?

MetalJigsaw:
Didn't you ask whether the son can execute the roles of the father since they all have their distinctive roles? And I answered you.




Key aspects of the Father's role to Christ include:

* Sender of the Son: The Father initiated the plan of salvation by sending Jesus into the world.

* Source of Power and Words: Jesus stated that the Father working in him accomplished his miracles and that the words he spoke were not his own, but the Father's. He executes the father's decree.

* Relationship of Love: The Father and Son are co-existent and equal, with the Father loving the Son and revealing Himself through him.

* Divine Affirmation: The Father publicly affirmed Jesus during key moments, such as his baptism and transfiguration, validating his mission and ministry on earth.

Dtruthspeaker:
Seeing that Mathew 28:18 proves that Jesus is God in that God gave Him such an authority the jws are now desperately struggling to o find how they can undermine Mathew 28:18. hence all the various attempts to circumvent its implication.

ichuka:
Jesus Christ is God!
One had to have the Spirit of God in him in order to discern or understand the bible.
Without His Spirit in us , reading and interpreting the Bible on our selves is wrong.
Imams and other religions does that too
But with distorted information.

MetalJigsaw:
Here is how Jesus is in heaven based on biblical descriptions:

*Physically Present: Jesus did not discard his human body; he ascended with a body of "flesh and bones" that is immortal, capable of entering heaven, yet still bears the scars of his crucifixion.

* Reigning as King: He is actively reigning from his throne as King of Kings and Lord of all creation.
Interceding for Believers: He serves as the Great High Priest and Advocate for believers, mediating between them and God.

* Preparing a Place: He is preparing a dwelling place for his followers.

Visible Presence: While in heaven, he is also described as being present with believers on earth through the Holy Spirit.

cornelboy:
So who was Jesus before he came to earth? And what was the father to him before he came to the world?

You didn't attend to this questions

Truthseeker10:
Be humble and get Educated. You actually need to learn about this trinity very well. You have been saying things that Even your fellow Trinitarians do not agree with.

cornelboy:
So who was Jesus before he came to earth? And what was the father to him before he came to the world?
You didn't attend to this questions.

Truthseeker10:
Be humble and get Educated. You actually need to learn about this trinity very well. You have been saying things that Even your fellow Trinitarians do not agree with.

MetalJigsaw:
You're absolutely right my brother.

MetalJigsaw:
"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God. And the word was God"[/b]

Janosky:
Oga , you remove John 17:7 from your Bible ?

Nah you convert Paul to become believer?
Was king Pharoah subject to Joseph?
Whoever send you go assignment or give you authority can not be your equal,nah Jesus talk am, John 13:16.