frosbel:
Nope

Jesus was quoting from Isaiah 66:24 , let's see what it says ;
"And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."

Digest the bolded statement and meditate on it. The bodies were DEAD BODIES, not LIVE SOULS.

If you are not just regurgitating what you read or heard, but have carefully studied the Word. You would note that Isaiah 66 talks about the second COMING of Christ Jesus. That of course is also referred to as the millenial reign or 1000year reign of Jesus Christ on earth. This is corroborated in Revelations.
Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Those unfortunate fellows who die during the second coming are going to be raised at the White throne judgement(Revelations 20:12-15) and thrown into where the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched.

aha, that's a typical one. Only 'us' have the truth and know the truth, don't go elsewhere ooo grin . Do you know this is how the church stifled knowledge and spiritual growth during the medieval times.

No my friend, this is mind control and witchcraft.

It's interesting that you do not see your hypocrisy in this, when you tell people to listen to you and your websites and not listen to their pastors and so called church traditions. This interesting thing is called delusion in the english language.( because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.)

If he has the Spirit of Christ he will not be deceived, besides the web site is a Christian web site quoting bible scripture not books from the 6 books of Moses.

You've gotta be kidding or displaying a gross ignorance of truth. Jesus severally and severely warned those His disciples who had the Spirit of Christ that they could be deceived. In fact, the worst and most subtle form of deception warning is from those that say that Jesus is Christ.
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mar 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Luk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Why should one take heed or be careful not to be deceived if deceive-proof is going to happen automatically?

Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

i want to hope that your zealot self knows that Ezekiel 28 is referring primarily to satan the devil. It again invalidates your position on eternal judgement. i believe you know that devil will be consciously punished forever. "never shalt thou be any more" is primarily referring to devil not man as you seem set to show. And that means that he will not exist anymore in the land of life, or of the living. Before then, he will be locked up for 1000yrs and come back. then be taken away for ever. Meanwhile in the lake where hell and death themselves are thrown, devil will be there. Death will be powerless to help his cause or put him out of his misery, and that would secondarily apply to other inhabitants of that dreadful place. When the Bible is promising no more pain, no more sorrow, of course the promise is not for the inhabitants of hell, duh.

It is those who lived in the asylum that can tell madness when they see it.

What kind of boring 1722 proverb is this one. frosb, 2015 is here, wake up to reality. You don't have to live in an asylum to recognise a madman or madness. Are these the kind of palmwine sayings you revere and use to arrive at your conclusions?

lastmessenger:

This is a simple statement made by Jesus in Mathew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather be afraid of God, who can destroy both body and soul in hell.

From the scripture it is obvious that Gods plan is to destroy the sinners body and soul in hell. No mention was made of never ending torturous conscious existence.

hope this is not the kobo kobo ideas that frosb's websites are presenting?
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

God is ABLE TO destroy both soul and body in hell. It does not say that God will destroy both soul and body in hell. No BODY is going to hell(except the grave) in the first instance. Your physical bodies is dust and will return to dust, not hell.

frosbel:
What does destruction mean in shdemidemi's dictionary ?

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

When Jesus died, He destroyed the devil. Get some perspective. Search the word/phrase "destroy him" in the NT, e.g
Mat 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.

Things still happen after destruction apparently.

frosbel:



[size=13pt]Are you now a LIAR as well.[/size]

Why not use the [size=14pt]actual Strong's words[/size] used in the exact passage that your quoted ?? - 2 Thessalonians 1:9

3639. olethros ol'-eth-ros from a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); [size=14pt]ruin, i.e. death, punishment:--destruction.
[/size]

622. apollumi ap-ol'-loo-mee from 575 and the base of 3639; [size=14pt]to destroy fully[/size] (reflexively, to perish, or lose), [size=14pt]literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.[/size]

Link - http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=3639

Hahaha, so Strong's is holier than Vine's abi no be man write the two?

To know the fate of SATAN and his demons read - Ezekiel 28:19 and Mark 1:24

Ohhhhh, so even devil will not be tormented forever? i pity you.

^^^all these truth you are sharing...dia ris God ooo

CAPTIVATOR:

its Clear, what happen to a serpent bruised on the head ? It dies .... Remember, That serpent in Gen 3:15 is satan .

Errr, when a serpent is bruised, it can heal, or be treated, or lose a contest but live to fight another day, or something. It is not clearly annihilation.

. Heb 2:14 refers to something Jesus will use his death to achieve in the future ...... Satan still have d means to cause death to mankind right now , so the idea of cross is not the point, but in the future, Jesus will brought him to NOTHING and death will cease too...

Interesting this. So, Jesus Himself says IT IS FINISHED. The Bible itself talks elaborately of the victory and the great things the death of Christ has accomplished for us. He has even resurrected for over 2000years. But here comes captivator in 2014 to captivate us away with mumbo jumbo rubbish about what Christ's death will achieve in future.
Jesus died to destroy the devil, who had power over death. He has done it already, it is a finished work All power has being given to Him in heaven and in earth. The devil has lost already. That is the gospel.

Lake of fire means " second death" !!! Death ...... Not everlasting life , ! Do u know that death and grave is also said to be in lake of fire to be tormented forever? Rev 20:14 Lols can death and grave be tortured ? No, anythin dat goes into the lake of fire , simply "will be no more" Rev 21:4 !!! " God will crush satan soon" Romans 16:20

Watch and see na. What did the grave present when it gave up the dead in it?

Image123:


hope this is not the kobo kobo ideas that frosb's websites are presenting?
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

God is ABLE TO destroy both soul and body in hell. It does not say that God will destroy both soul and body in hell. No BODY is going to hell(except the grave) in the first instance. Your physical bodies is dust and will return to dust, not hell.

Of course it is kobo kobo idea because it is not written in the pages of the messenger angel(ROR). This guy you don't cease to amaze me.
God is able to to destroy both soul and body in hell is what is written there and I know what Jesus implies. He is saying God has the power to destroy both souls and body in hell and other passages made us know that God will actually destroy both soul and body in hell.
The only problem you have is because no be your pastor de teach am

lastmessenger:

Of course it is kobo kobo idea because it is not written in the pages of the messenger angel(ROR). This guy you don't cease to amaze me.
God is able to to destroy both soul and body in hell is what is written there and I know what Jesus implies. He is saying God has the power to destroy both souls and body in hell and other passages made us know that God will actually destroy both soul and body in hell.
The only problem you have is because no be your pastor de teach am

I'm just smilling at you people as you argue. This issue is not what argument solves because if any camp wins and what the winning camp stands for is wrong then no gain.

Image123:

Errr, when a serpent is bruised, it can heal, or be treated, or lose a contest but live to fight another day, or something
.

God will not treat Satan, he will " Crush Satan" and destroy him instead ( Rom 16:20).

Interesting this.
Jesus died to destroy the devil,

" so that through his death He MIGHT destroy the one who has the means to cause death, the devil" Heb 2:14
! "Might" is use to refer to a possible future event , E.G I MIGHT come to ur house ! Grab that.

4 nw .... Satan still rule the world, he hasnt been destroyed ( 1 joh 5:19) !

Watch and see na. What did the grave present when it gave up the dead in it?

What happen to death and grave help to understand the meanin of lake of fire.

Death and grave is thrown into lake of fire is a symbolic language ( Rev 20:14, Rev 1:1 )... It means " Death will Be No More" Rev 21:4 ! And when death is no more , the grave automatically cease to exist .

honourhim:


I'm just smilling at you people as you argue. This issue is not what argument solves because if any camp wins and what the winning camp stands for is wrong then no gain.

Yes but the truth remains the truth. Why am I interested in this discussion? Is it because I am going to hell? Or because I am afraid of eternal torture? The answer is capital NO.
I will inherit eternal life and I work out my salvation through dear and trembling but I am doing what I am doing because
1. I understand the need to release people from unnecessary fear. Christians have been taken advantage of by those who teach. Here people are told to pay tithe, pay first fruit and all other dubious money making schemes with the threat of eternal torture in hell if they fail. To obey. You see people living in fear and doing things because they just want to avoid the torture of hell. Even if na you, you will do anything foolish to avoid the place of torture.
2. I also understand the need for people to love God not because they are threatened but because they want to love God. As a small boy the only idea I had about God is one guy living in the sky who will send bad people to hell and torture them for eternity. I did not love God but I was afriad of him. That is how many Christians are today exhibiting false love and obedience for God.

lastmessenger:

Yes but the truth remains the truth. Why am I interested in this discussion? Is it because I am going to hell? Or because I am afraid of eternal torture? The answer is capital NO.
I will inherit eternal life and I work out my salvation through dear and trembling but I am doing what I am doing because
1. I understand the need to release people from unnecessary fear. Here people are told to pay tithe, pay first fruit and all other dubious money making schemes with the threat of eternal torture in hell if they fail. To obey. You see people living in fear and doing things because they just want to avoid the torture of hell. Even if na you, you will do anything foolish to avoid the place of torture.
2. I also understand the need for people to love God not because they are threatened but because they want to love God.

nice points expecially no. 2 !!! An act of obedience to Wicked King Nebuchadnezzar Bcoz of his burning fiery fire

lastmessenger:

Of course it is kobo kobo idea because it is not written in the pages of the messenger angel(ROR). This guy you don't cease to amaze me.
God is able to to destroy both soul and body in hell is what is written there and I know what Jesus implies. He is saying God has the power to destroy both souls and body in hell and other passages made us know that God will actually destroy both soul and body in hell.
The only problem you have is because no be your pastor de teach am

What are the other passages that make us know that God will actually destroy soul and body in hell. I hope you can see that you now have to lie, imply', add to just to help these websites?

@ lastmessanger

I like what you wrote
Its really sad this whole bondage of hell fear thing

And it seems the Abrahamic religious establishments probably apart from Judaism is benefiting from feasting on peoples fear of the great beyond.

Now I personally do not have any stand on whether Hell exists or not, although its obvious that most of the verses quoted to support the concept of eternal torture cannot be said to be conclusive pointers to its existence or eternal attributes

An interesting paradox is that many of those who dangle the concept of hell, offer you an olive branch out of it that is based on their concepts of righteousness, they then gleefully seem to wish everyone who does not agree with their view should be thrown in to the place.

I remember how my friend and I in our tender youth were chilling in my parked car cuddling our girls
and then came this woman looking haggard and walking past us
Not looking directly at us, she shouted condemnations at us for sinning.
After her conviction, she summarily sentenced us to hell

.....uhmmm

Image123:


What are the other passages that make us know that God will actually destroy soul and body in hell. I hope you can see that you now have to lie, imply', add to just to help these websites?

No need because I know you too well. Nothing makes sense to you because it is not coming from ROR.

[quote author=Image123 post=29354573]
If you are not just regurgitating what you read or heard, but have carefully studied the Word. You would note that Isaiah 66 talks about the second COMING of Christ Jesus. That of course is also referred to as the millenial reign or 1000year reign of Jesus Christ on earth. This is corroborated in Revelations.
Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Those unfortunate fellows who die during the second coming are going to be raised at the White throne judgement(Revelations 20:12-15) and thrown into where the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched.

Sporadic throwing around of bible verses is not a mark of an exemplary bible student.

Let me try and juggle your thinking a little.

Jesus said this in Mark 9 :48
It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where
“‘the worms that eat them do not die,
and the fire is not quenched.’[d]

Even the bible compilers, added note d below ( a direct reference to where Jesus quotes from Isaiah 66:24 )

Isaiah 66:24 :
24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”

There are three things to note here ;

1. This was in reference to the same event, not a separate event. To suggest otherwise is deceptive.
2. The people being referred to are clearly dead bodies.
3. The fire will not be quenched till the bodies are all burnt up - ref / Malachi 4:3

You are desperately trying to divide these two statements as if they are not related, this is how deception works, forcing your false doctrine into scripture.

It's interesting that you do not see your hypocrisy in this, when you tell people to listen to you and your websites and not listen to their pastors and so called church traditions. This interesting thing is called delusion in the english language.( because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.)

Again, you depict a knack for being unable to correctly divide the word of truth due to the brainwashing syndrome

The Internet is the greatest invention of mankind . From it , we can glean through tons of information on various topics to extract the data we need, analyse it, study it and make informed decisions based on objectivity and not emotional instability.

To want to prevent believers from researching on the Internet , shows the kind of dark mind that prevailed during the middle ages with the unfortunate consequence of superstitious rubbish that was been paraded as truth .

Besides a Pastor is not an authority on the word of God contrary to your perception. A Pastor is simply just another brother who is an elder in the church and has the skills according to the gift of God to gently and kindly shepherd the flock of God. He is not a doctrinal guru or an infallible figure in relation to things of religion. It is you and your ilk who have made them into the semi-gods that they are today hence the winds of doctrine breezing all over the place with the aftermath of over 40,000 denominations of which most have Ichabod written on their church doors.

We have the following teachers :
"As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him." - 1 John 2:27

"No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." - Jeremiah 31:34

You've gotta be kidding or displaying a gross ignorance of truth. Jesus severally and severely warned those His disciples who had the Spirit of Christ that they could be deceived. In fact, the worst and most subtle form of deception warning is from those that say that Jesus is Christ.
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mar 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Luk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Why should one take heed or be careful not to be deceived if deceive-proof is going to happen automatically?

Image123, I am having difficulty logicalising your incoherency and haphazard approach to debating on serious issues. Not sure what the context is for the above scripture quotation, but it is obvious that there will be false prophets and Christs who draw people away from God with their heresies and doctrines of demons. In fact the majority of your churches in Nigeria are saturated with these sort of people.

want to hope that your zealot self knows that Ezekiel 28 is referring primarily to satan the devil. It again invalidates your position on eternal judgement. i believe you know that devil will be consciously punished forever. "never shalt thou be any more" is primarily referring to devil not man as you seem set to show. And that means that he will not exist anymore in the land of life, or of the living. Before then, he will be locked up for 1000yrs and come back. then be taken away for ever. Meanwhile in the lake where hell and death themselves are thrown, devil will be there. Death will be powerless to help his cause or put him out of his misery, and that would secondarily apply to other inhabitants of that dreadful place. When the Bible is promising no more pain, no more sorrow, of course the promise is not for the inhabitants of hell, duh.

Again, incoherent nonsense, please rephrase.

lastmessenger:

No need because I know you too well. Nothing makes sense to you because it is not coming from ROR.

So you have added dodging to the artillery? Lie, imply', add to the Word, and dodge. What is ROR by the way? You have no idea.

Image123:

So you have added dodging to the artillery? Lie, imply', add to the Word, and dodge. What is ROR by the way? You have no idea.

If you don't know what is ROR then I can tell you. Another guy name for it is messenger angel. Why should I dodge you. If all the scriptures that Frosbel is giving to you is not making sense to you then is it
My own that will make sense.
Bros park well.I know where you belong. When your pastor supported immorality you were busy all over internet defending him.When an idea is not coming from your pastor it won't make sense to you.

lastmessenger:
. Even if na you, you will do anything foolish to avoid the place of torture.
.

Bro I don't want toture whether temporary or eternal. All na torture though one is more severe than the other. But why should I even head for torture even if its temporary when there is a place of eternal bliss in heaven?

Temporary torture is not a solution too. Its not as if the preaching of total anhilliation will make all or majority of the unbelievers to repent. Not at all.

lastmessenger:

If you don't know what is ROR then I can tell you. Another guy name for it is messenger angel. Why should I dodge you. If all the scriptures that Frosbel is giving to you is not making sense to you then is it
My own that will make sense.
Bros park well.I know where you belong. When your pastor supported immorality you were busy all over internet defending him.When an idea is not coming from your pastor it won't make sense to you.

Frosbel is confused, that we know. You give your own quotes, it might just do the magic.

lastmessenger:

....
Bros park well.I know where you belong. When your pastor supported immorality you were busy all over internet defending him.When an idea is not coming from your pastor it won't make sense to you.

Ahhhha now I get it

you mean he is one of those that can only think what pastor is thinking
and will only accept what you say when im pastor suddenly introduces it as a doctrine


I once had a close friend just like that
if I tell am something,...im go argue tire with me

but immediately pastor receives new revelation and starts teaching what I had earlier shared with her
she go accept am without wincing
then carry the rhema come give me, even forgetting that I told her same thing earlier

honourhim:


Bro I don't want toture whether temporary or eternal. All na torture though one is more severe than the other. But why should I even head for torture even if its temporary when there is a place of eternal bliss in heaven?

Temporary torture is not a solution too. Its not as if the preaching of total anhilliation will make all or majority of the unbelievers to repent. Not at all.

Bro it is true but a well packaged lie under the threat of eternal torture will recieve mass audience. So what I am doing is to expose the lie so that those who want to worship Christ will do so not out of fear.

lastmessenger:

Bro it is true but a well packaged lie under the threat of eternal torture will recieve mass audience. So what I am doing is to expose the lie so that those who want to worship Christ will do so not out of fear.

The idea of preaching hell and heaven cannot bring anyone to salvation. There is no power of God unto salvation behind such teaching. But, does that stop hell from being real? Never.

A parable depicted what hell will be like and a certain man requested to go tell the world about it... God discontinued such idea.

The only gospel that has the inherent power to save remains the news of Christ

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. [size=28pt]It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes[/size]—the Jew first and also the Gentile.

shdemidemi:


The idea of preaching hell and heaven cannot bring anyone to salvation. There is no power of God unto salvation behind such teaching. But, does that stop hell from being real? Never.

A parable depicted what hell will be like and a certain man requested to go tell the world about it... God discontinued such idea.

The only gospel that has the inherent power to save remains the news of Christ

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. [size=28pt]It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes[/size]—the Jew first and also the Gentile.

1) If its true that pple go to heaven when they die , why Did Jesus came many years after BILLIONS of mankind av died and still say : " NO MAN has ever ascend to heaven" joh 3:13 ?
2) accordin to the scripture ...... where did God said Adam though a sinner, will return to when he died ??

CAPTIVATOR:

1) If its true that pple go to heaven when they die , why Did Jesus came many years after BILLIONS of mankind av died and still say : " NO MAN has ever ascend to heaven" joh 3:13 ?
2) accordin to the scripture ...... where did God said Adam though a sinner, will return to when he died ??

My friend, no one is in heaven as we speak..If you must know heaven will be on earth i.e the new earth.

2) Dust you shall return.

Man was made from dust, however, his spirit was not made from dust. His spirit will surely face the righteous judgement of God. Some will have a new glorified body while some will be subjected to eternal damnation.

shdemidemi:


My friend, no one is in heaven as we speak..If you must know heaven will be on earth i.e the new earth.

2) Dust you shall return.

Man was made from dust, however, his spirit was not made from dust. His spirit will surely face the righteous judgement of God. Some will have a new glorified body while some will be subjected to eternal damnation.

Thanks Bro .... But i understand the spirit , is the breath of life blown into Adam , BUT it was blown into his NOSTRILS NOT Fused in his body as depicted by nollywood movies ??

2) do animals have breath of life in their nostrils too ??

CAPTIVATOR:


Thanks Bro .... But i understand the spirit , is the breath of life blown into Adam , BUT it was blown into his NOSTRILS NOT Fused in his body as depicted by nollywood movies ??

2) do animals have breath of life in their nostrils too ??

Yes they do have a spirit if interpreted as the element of life but they were not created in the image of God.

They are not a living soul(inner man and outer man) like man and that is why they are referred to as beast.

shdemidemi:


Yes they do have a spirit if interpreted as the element of life but they were not created in the image of God.

They are not a living soul(inner man and outer man) like man and that is why they are referred to as beast.

IF what u meant by our been created in the image of God means we ar immortal ! Then there is a problem ..... If been created in Gods image is in that sense , why ar we not also all powerful , able to predict the future , all righteous , holy and completely pure like God ?

OR it simply means we can reason and use logic, use freewill ..... Unlike animals that are controlled by instincts ! Cows will always do " muaah" , but humans can produce varieties of sound .

2) bro, animals are "livin souls" Rev 16:3 .... the MAN became a livin soul ( GEN 2:7, 1COR 15:45) NOT THAT HE WAS GIVEN A SOUL

CAPTIVATOR:


IF what u meant by our been created in the image of God means we ar immortal ! Then there is a problem ..... If been created in Gods image is in that sense , why ar we not also all powerful , able to predict the future , all righteous , holy and completely pure like God ?

OR it simply means we can reason and use logic, use freewill ..... Unlike animals that are controlled by instincts ! Cows will always do " muaah" , but humans can produce varieties of sound .

Being an image of God does not make us as perfect as God.

1) We are not in the image of God in our body/human structure cos God does not have that anyway.

2) having the image of God means we become the perfect vehicle for the representation of God. After the fall we lost that capacity to remain commune with God, we lost the image an took on an image of the world.

CAPTIVATOR:
2) bro, animals are "livin souls" Rev 16:3 .... the MAN became a livin soul ( GEN 2:7, 1COR 15:45) NOT THAT HE WAS GIVEN A SOUL

Soul was used in the bible to mean different things but we must know what definition we are talking about here.
1 natural life of the body

2 the invisible part of man

3 the naked or unclothed man

4 the seat of personality

5 the element man use to feel, desire, reflect

6 the seat of will and purpose

7 the seat of appetite

8 an animate creature, human or other


Context bro.. soul was used instead of creatures here does not put man and animals in the same bracket. This was how God made them, from nothing -

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

It is plainly different from
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ..27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them

God made man by the combination of the dust and His breath, these two elements put together made man a living soul.

shdemidemi:


Yes they do have a spirit if interpreted as the element of life but they were not created in the image of God.

They are not a living soul(inner man and outer man) like man and that is why they are referred to as beast.

Nope....
thy are referred to as "beast" because that is the name they have been given in english
english could easily have called them angels and called us beasts, and we would know no better.

hope u get it

esere826:


Nope....
thy are referred to as "beast" because that is the name they have been given in english
english could easily have called them angels and called us beasts, and we would know no better.

hope u get it

I don't think it has anything to do with the english language.. their Hebrew name behemah which is different from malak/angel.

shdemidemi:


The idea of preaching hell and heaven cannot bring anyone to salvation. There is no power of God unto salvation behind such teaching. But, does that stop hell from being real? Never.

A parable depicted what hell will be like and a certain man requested to go tell the world about it... God discontinued such idea.

The only gospel that has the inherent power to save remains the news of Christ

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. [size=28pt]It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes[/size]—the Jew first and also the Gentile.

To set the record straight I am not in anyway saying there is no hell. Infact hell is terrible and painful to be in. Sorry for those that will land there. My interest is to show how it is and not how they say it is. Hell fire represent the second death and am convinced the endpoint of those who go there is a discontinuation of their existence and that will definitely take a painful process to achieve. That is why Jesus will say there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. The whole painful process ends in death and not a continued torture.

lastmessenger:

To set the record straight I am not in anyway saying there is no hell. Infact hell is terrible and painful to be in. Sorry for those that will land there. My interest is to show how it is and not how they say it is. Hell fire represent the second death and am convinced the endpoint of those who go there is a discontinuation of their existence and that will definitely take a painful process to achieve. That is why Jesus will say there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. The whole painful process ends in death and not a continued torture.

But we see things like eternal destruction every where in scripture
Matthew 25
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into [size=24pt]everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels[/size]:

We can't just ignore all of these,or can we?