CAPTIVATOR:


God condemns the idea of a burning Nebuchadnezzar's Hell ...... Jer 7:31

Its clear Jesus was not tryin to contradict the scripture where God describe the dead as a person "who knows nothing" Ecc 9:5,10.

In Matt 25:41-46 you quoted above ..... The parable deals with SHEEP and GOATS ( MATT 25:33) , this are representing a certain group of people !!! .... What does the everlastin fire represent ? Remember Sodom and Gomorah and some cities suffer this same purnishment of everlastin fire ! It doesnt mean fire is still burning there .. But dey are completely destroyed and cease existing , the scripture then warns "they are placed before us as a warning example" Jude 7 ... " They were reduced to ashes" Settin a pattern for d ungodly(2pet2:6

BabaGnoni:
I once alluded somewhere twice, saying:
frosbel, you are not Yooba, but you understand it, even very well or more than most Yoobas themselves,
all because you grew up & lived in Lagos and importantly you are familiar with Yoruba idioms,
if do the same with Hebrew idioms etc, the pennies will drop
https://www.nairaland.com/2055387/frosbel-now-atheist/14#29228254
https://www.nairaland.com/2042507/why-deny-virgin-birth-jesus/3#29191478
It's like asking vooks, or an European about "irumọlẹ", "iwin", "magun", "majele", "ọmọrodan", "ṣigidi" etcetera, you'll draw blanks but not with frosbel, though he aint Yooba
I included Abraham’s bosom with the meaning of Sheol, whilst making out the differences in Sheol, Hades, Hell, Gehenna and the lake of fire
but frosbel's skimpy familiarity of Hebrew concepts, idioms, fables, sayings, figures of speech, etymologies etcetera and an inability to distinguish fable (i.e. parable) from reality betrayed him
The place (i.e. Sheol with its two sides divided by a gulf) in the fable told by Jesus is real
The characters (i.e. Abraham, rich man & Lazarus) in the parable arent neccesarily real people
As we know, Sheol has two sides comprising of a good and bad side divided/separated by a gulf
Abraham with Lazarus were on the good side, in that allegory or moral story told by Jesus.
The rich man was on the bad side (i.e. on the other side of the separating gulf in Sheol)
Abraham's bosom actually signified or means Abraham's side (i.e. bosom means side)
- Abraham's bosom or side, means Abraham's side is on the good side of Sheol
The good side, Abraham's bosom or side (i.e. the side Abraham is on) is otherwise called Paradise
- the thief on the right side of the cross with Jesus, met up with Jesus in Paradise (i.e. Luke 23:43)
It is very important to catch this, and not to confuse paradise with heaven
this easily done by comparing Luke 23:43 and Luke 23:46, to see where the spirit ends up after leaving the body at death
As normal, the spirit ends up in Sheol, and the thief on the cross, on that same day, met up with Jesus at the good side of Sheol
(i.e. Abraham's bosom or side aka paradise)
As a matter of fact, the good and bad sides in Sheol, effectively are similar to departure lounges at airports
Sheol is like a departure lounges, were you wait with your boarding pass before going on to a plane for your destination.
So Sheol effectively is like a holding station; a place after death, where souls are held before heading to whichever destinations
- of course, the itinerary too, dictates where one is bound to end up at
All dead, end up in Sheol, waiting, awaiting departure...
And just like there is a divide, separating Arrivals and Departures at airports,
so similarly, is that dividing gulf that separates the good and the bad at Sheol
Side Note:
holding station
- place on lake where inactive fish spend most of their time.
Fish
- I will make you fishers of men

vooks:

Since this is a parable full of symbols, what does the Son of Man represent?
Secondly, is it possible that everlasting life is equally finite?

Matthew 25:46 (KJV)
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

frosbel:


^^^

Junk !!!

Show me ONE scripture in the OT where anyone believed in Abraham's bosom with 2 compartments or even Adam's bosom if you wish.

Don't start another pointless rant, just show me, after all scripture should validate scripture or are you not taking the metaphor in a parable to force a meaning which is alien to the truth ?

Let's deal with this in a systematic way.

CAPTIVATOR:


SO WHO told u the purnishment is not everlasting ........ Sodom and Gomorah will remain desolate till eternity .

What is the everlasting purniment ?? Hellfire , u miss it, for someone to be tormented forver in fabricated hell myth ( go and reasearch on hade's, sheo'l, gehenna), such a person must be granted everlasting life .... Which is a "GIFT" and not a purnishment ( Rom 6:23) !!

This text contrast everlastin life WITH everlasting purnishment [greek /kolasin/] ! Destruction , cut- off from life !

" Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more ..... They will VANISH like smoke" Psalm 37:7,10,20, 34

shdemidemi:


What do you understand by the word 'scripture'?

[quote author=vooks post=29400612]Man,Satan and demons are immortal. Eternal life is life with God, Eternal punishment is life without God. Eternal punishment will be spent in everlasting fire/Lake of fire

frosbel:
^^^

Junk !!!

Show me ONE scripture in the OT where anyone believed in Abraham's bosom with 2 compartments or even Adam's bosom if you wish.

Don't start another pointless rant, just show me, after all scripture should validate scripture or are you not taking the metaphor in a parable to force a meaning which is alien to the truth ?

Let's deal with this in a systematic way.

shdemidemi:

you are still here!

frosbel:


^^^

Junk !!!

Show me ONE scripture in the OT where anyone believed in Abraham's bosom with 2 compartments or even Adam's bosom if you wish.

Don't start another pointless rant, just show me, after all scripture should validate scripture or are you not taking the metaphor in a parable to force a meaning which is alien to the truth ?

Let's deal with this in a systematic way.

frosbel:


Evidence that you aint got a clue, lol.

You answer my question with another question, does that make sense

I am waiting ooo for my answers.

vooks:
Man,Satan and demons are immortal. Eternal life is life with God, Eternal punishment is life without God.

You are assuming that eternal life is immortality,it is not.

Look at your confusion highlighted in blue. Is God punishing Sodom TODAY? Sodom in Jude and 2 Peter is an antitype, Sodom destruction is as literal as Incense in Revelation 5:8

2 Peter 2:6 (KJV)
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha [b]into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

CAPTIVATOR:


Why dis lie bro ..... Man, Demons, Satan are not immortal !!!! ONLY Jesus is given " immortality" 1 tim 6:16 ONLY JESUS ! All others can be destroyed , u dont exist before God create u and he can return U to that dead non existent state.




"Turning the cities ( Sodom and Gomorah) into ashes" .... AnythIN turned to ashes is permanently destroyed ( 2pet 2:6)

CAPTIVATOR:
Why dis lie bro ..... Man, Demons, Satan are not immortal !!!!
ONLY Jesus is given "immortality" 1 tim 6:16 ONLY JESUS !
All others can be destroyed, u dont exist before God create u and he can return U to that dead non existent state.

vooks:
What is immortal

CAPTIVATOR:
"Turning the cities ( Sodom and Gomorah) into ashes" ....
Anything turned to ashes is permanently destroyed ( 2pet 2:6)

shdemidemi:


Are you always bitter?

What was your question plus I thought you said you wanted to school me, go ahead bro.

vooks:
What is immortal

BabaGnoni:




And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed:
so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot;
neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
- Luke 16:26 King James Bible

Bosom is a substitute or alternative for side (e.g. John leaning on to Jesus in John 13:23)
You my two dear bros' ignorance betrays you
Continue showing yourselves up

It's like asking a dumb or dumber request for a scripture reference of rapture in the Old Testament after Paul told us it is a mystery (i.e. 1 Corinthians 15:50–54)
- as it is a mystery you wouldn't find any direct reference of it in OT

vooks:
Amateur skeptic,
Show me one scripture in the OT that said Jesus would turn water into wine or raise the dead or his mother was Mary

frosbel:
Babagoni the ITK has now reached the end of his logic and replaced the argument with MYSTERY, hahaha

Just humble yourself and say ,Mi o mo!

You cannot support this fallacy of yours because it aint scripture and it aint in scripture.

vooks:
Get off the fence and I will make time and engage you

frosbel:


Bitter ? You keep trying to project your attributes onto me, it won't work.

I asked a simple question, what scriptures were Timothy and Peter referring to as inspired ?

Waiting Pal.

shdemidemi:


Lol.. Is this the same fiesty Frosbel? let's be having you bro.

All scripture.


Now, what is A scripture?

[quote author=BabaGnoni post=29403149]

It is the glory of God to conceal a thing:
but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.
- Proverbs 25:2 King James 2000 Bible

Try and be original, remember I first used ITK on you hahaha

vooks got you to a "t" with the "amateur skeptic" descrip

frosbel:


aw, no answers then ?

You DO NOT KNOW[]what scriptures made [size=20pt]Timothy wise unto salvation[/size][/b] from his youth, right ? Well it definitely was not the new testament which had not been written at the time.....

Let me give you the option of making a phone call, I am waiting oooo.....

frosbel:
Vooks is dull - fact !!

Looks like he is beginning to dumb you down , don't hang out with him for too long.

Please answer my 'kweshion' earlier posed about Abraham's bosom - cool

shdemidemi:


You really don't have anything substantial to say or do you? You seem to be resorting to frivolities, are you running out on power?


Hmm.. Wise unto salvation... Hmmm Frosbel.

What is scripture?

BabaGnoni:

^^^
Dont fret yourself. Apart from only hanging out with the Spirit of Truth who shows me all things etcetera, I am a one-man MOPOL
What was your 'kweshion' earlier posed about Abraham's bosom?
Believe was dealt with in below link
https://www.nairaland.com/2060992/sincere-questions-frosbel/9#29399225

Noticing you're sharpening your moves and/or skills with shdemidemi at dodging bullets
- Issorite. Continue. Diarisgud ooo

Image123:


It would help you if you will calm your nerves and learn instead of sorry attempts to juggle other's thinking. i did not dispute Mark 9 :48's correlation with Isaiah 66. Instead, i explained it to you but you missed the bus. Maybe i should number the staements so that you can tell me the part you are not clear with or the part where you think i'm wrong.
1. Isaiah 66 talks about the second COMING of Christ Jesus.
2. The second coming is also referred to as the millenial reign or 1000year reign of Jesus Christ on earth. This is corroborated in Revelations.
3. Those unfortunate fellows who die during the second coming(Isaiah 66 and Rev 19: 21) are going to be raised at the White throne judgement(Revelations 20:12-15).
4. They and all other sinners would be thrown into where the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
This lake of fire is the hell fire that Jesus talked about as hell fire.



i have not prevented people from reading whether by books or internet. You are the one preventing people from reading IF it does not support your position. You are the one poisoning other's minds against whatever their pastors say, calling it tradition or old fashion lies. Kinly show us any place where i have wanted to prevent believers from researching on the Internet. Of course you cannot, why, because you are a liar.
i have not described a pastor or given any opinions about who a pastor is, so don't make up any for me. Don't paint me any colour you wish, like you paint people who are not here. i am here and i will likely respond. Again, you want to teach us through the internet, but you are twisting scriptures to tell us not to listen to other teachers like our pastors. You are an hypocrite.


You were the one that naively told someone that "If he has the Spirit of Christ he will not be deceived, besides the web site is a Christian web site quoting bible scripture not books from the 6 books of Moses." You said that if someone has the Spirit of Christ, he will not be deceived. i simply called you to order. One can have the Spirit of Christ and be deceived if one is careless.


No need to re-phrase. If you read my posts, you would have seen that i later noticed that you do not believe that the devil will be tormented forever and ever. "never shalt thou be any more" in Ezekiel 28 means that he will not exist anymore in the land of life, or of the living Meanwhile in the lake where hell and death themselves are thrown, devil will be there. Death will be powerless to help his cause or put him out of his misery, and that would secondarily apply to other inhabitants of that dreadful place. When the Bible is promising no more pain, no more sorrow, of course the promise is not for the inhabitants of hell.

shdemidemi:


Now, what is A scripture?

JesusisLord85:

Scripture is considered as sacred writings.
In the days of your father, Paul, the only scripture that prevailed was the law and the prophets aka the Old Testament.
Yahshua referred to it, Paul referred to it, and they all taught from it.
Paul's letters were just that, letters. I gave you an example before, but to edify others, let me give an example:
2 Tim 4: 9-14
9 Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me:
10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
11 Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.
12 And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus.
13 The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.
14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
This sounds like a bbm conversation between Paul and Timothy. Just a letter.
Nobody gave Paul power to write scriptures. I believe that is called "adding to the word". He wrote letters brother.