Luke 22:67-71Revised Standard Version (RSV)

67 “If you are the Christ, tell us.” But he said to them, “If I tell you, you will not believe; 68 and if I ask you, you will not answer. 69 But from

now on the Son of man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.” 70 And they all said, “Are you the Son of God, then?” And he

said to them, “You say that I am.[/b]LOL” 71 And they said, “What further testimony do we need? We have heard it ourselves from his own lips.”




Matthew 10:23Revised Standard Version (RSV)

23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the[b] Son of man comes.




Matthew 19:28Revised Standard Version (RSV)

28 Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of man [/b]shall sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me

will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


I WONDER WHY SOME BRAINWASHED CHRISTIANS {Malvisguy212, Ifeann, OREMUSSANCTUS, PastorKun}IGNORANTLY CALLED HIM LORD AND SAVOIR #SMH



CALLING JESUS SON OF GOD IS A METAPHORICAL STATEMENT HE NEITHER BEGETS NOR IS BORN


Al-Ikhlas
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One, (1) Allah, the Eternal Refuge. (2) He neither begets nor is born, (3) Nor is there to Him any equivalent." (4)
QURAN112:1-4
Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,

112:2

Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
112:3

He neither begets nor is born,
112:4
[b]
And to Him none could be co-equal.

Surat Fuşşilat (Explained in Detail) - سورة فصلت

Say, O [Muhammad], "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God;

IF YOU STILL IGNORANTLY BELIEVE JESUS IS SON OF GOD THAT MEANS GOD HAS MANY SON EVEN JESUS IS NOT HIS 1ST BORN


Genesis 6:1-2English Standard Version (ESV)
Increasing Corruption on Earth

6 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.



Romans 8:12-14King James Version (KJV)

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.





John 1:12King James Version (KJV)

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:





Psalm 2:5-7English Standard Version (ESV)

5 Then he will speak to them in his wrath,
and terrify them in his fury, saying,
6 “As for me, I have set my King
on Zion, my holy hill.”

7 I will tell of the decree:
The Lord said to me, “You are my Son;
today I have begotten you


1 Chronicles 22:10King James Version (KJV)

10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.



Jeremiah 31:9English Standard Version (ESV)

9 With weeping they shall come,
and with pleas for mercy I will lead them back,
I will make them walk by brooks of water,
in a straight path in which they shall not stumble,
for I am a father to Israel,
and Ephraim is my firstborn.







Exodus 4:22English Standard Version (ESV)

22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, Israel is my firstborn son



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tola9ja:

Luke 22:67-71Revised Standard Version (RSV)

67 “If you are the Christ, tell us.” But he said to them, “If I tell you, you will not believe; 68 and if I ask you, you will not answer. 69 But from

now on the Son of man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.” 70 And they all said, “Are you the Son of God, then?” And he

said to them, “You say that I am.[/b]LOL” 71 And they said, “What further testimony do we need? We have heard it ourselves from his own lips.”




Matthew 10:23Revised Standard Version (RSV)

23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the[b] Son of man comes.




Matthew 19:28Revised Standard Version (RSV)

28 Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of man [/b]shall sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me

will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


I WONDER WHY SOME BRAINWASHED CHRISTIANS {Malvisguy212, Ifeann, OREMUSSANCTUS, PastorKun}IGNORANTLY CALLED HIM LORD AND SAVOIR #SMH



CALLING JESUS SON OF GOD IS A METAPHORICAL STATEMENT HE NEITHER BEGETS NOR IS BORN


Al-Ikhlas
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One, (1) Allah, the Eternal Refuge. (2) He neither begets nor is born, (3) Nor is there to Him any equivalent." (4)
QURAN112:1-4
Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,

112:2

Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
112:3

He neither begets nor is born,
112:4
[b]
And to Him none could be co-equal.

Surat Fuşşilat (Explained in Detail) - سورة فصلت

Say, O [Muhammad], "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God;

IF YOU STILL IGNORANTLY BELIEVE JESUS IS SON OF GOD THAT MEANS GOD HAS MANY SON EVEN JESUS IS NOT HIS 1ST BORN


Genesis 6:1-2English Standard Version (ESV)
Increasing Corruption on Earth

6 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.



Romans 8:12-14King James Version (KJV)

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.





John 1:12King James Version (KJV)

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:





Psalm 2:5-7English Standard Version (ESV)

5 Then he will speak to them in his wrath,
and terrify them in his fury, saying,
6 “As for me, I have set my King
on Zion, my holy hill.”

7 I will tell of the decree:
The Lord said to me, “You are my Son;
today I have begotten you


1 Chronicles 22:10King James Version (KJV)

10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.



Jeremiah 31:9English Standard Version (ESV)

9 With weeping they shall come,
and with pleas for mercy I will lead them back,
I will make them walk by brooks of water,
in a straight path in which they shall not stumble,
for I am a father to Israel,
and Ephraim is my firstborn.







Exodus 4:22English Standard Version (ESV)

22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, Israel is my firstborn son



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Hey dude. .. Get a bible and ur quran out let me educate u..

You say Christ calls himself son of man, and so. How is he incorrect. You forget he also calls himself (and is called) "son of God" dozens of time. Infact this is what led to his crucifixion since the Jews claimed he committed blasphemy. You also forget he controlled the weather instantly several times, something only God does,
your quran says;
Qur'an 4:171 "O people of the book! Commit no excesses in your
religion: nor say of God naught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son
of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which
He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: So believe
in God and His messengers..."

in contrast to truth,
(Philippians 2:5-9, NAS95) 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which
was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of
God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but
emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being
made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man,
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death,
even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him,
and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,


Jesus forgave sins, something only God does.
People he healed fell on their knees and worshipped him and yet he didn't say No don't worship me.
We Christians know on earth he had 2 natures human(son of man) and divine(son of God)


Your Koran says
Qur'an 4:157
They said (in boast), "we killed christ jesus the son of mary, the messenger of Allah". But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubt, without(certain) knowledge, but only conjective to follow, for a surety they killed him not.

And

Qur'an 9: 30
"AND THE JEWS SAY, EZRA IS THE SON OF Allah, AND THE CHRISTIAN SAY: THE MESSIAH IS THE SON OF Allah, THESE ARE THE WORDS OF THEIR MOUTHS; THEY INITIATE THE SAYING OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVED; MAY Allah DESTROY THEM; HOW THEY ARE TURNED AWAY

the bible clear tells us from a witness in Matthew 27:35, 35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments,
casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the
prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my
vesture did they cast lots.
1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a
stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

In Mark 14:61-62, Jesus claimed to be the Son of Man (Daniel 7:13) and
David's Lord (Psalm 110:1)
Jesus helped people who called him Lord, and never rebuked when people worshipped him (Matthew 14:30-33)
Moreover in John 5:22-23 22 , the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. Jesus judges us all, Jesus is one with God and the son of God. The scripture is very clear on the nature of Jesus and his divinity.

Please Check also Mark 11: 17-18
Mathew 11:27,
Matthew17:5,
John 5:17-18 and peters answer to Christ's question about who he was in Mathew 16:16. Go to the old testament thousands of years before jesus and see the prophesy of his coming isaiah 40-3:5 for example

The scripture is also very clear in;
1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." Several times this term is used in the plural, and can be applied to almost anyone who is opposed to Christ. Those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh are anti-Christ or of the spirit of antichrist.

1 John 4:1
beloved,believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets has gone into the world.

This is one of the ways to discern a false teacher from a true one.
In 1 Corinthians 14:33 My bible tells me in clear terms that God is not the author of confusion. There is so much confusion in Islam ask the Wahabi, Salafists, sunnis, shites alwaites, ahmedies. They kill each other because of this.

My bible also tell me in Matthew 7:15-20,“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."
Islams fruits are rotten and that's the truth my friend.

So in conclusion;
God the father acknowledged Jesus as his son (John 17:5, Matthew 17:5 And Mark 9:7)
Jesus called himself the Son of God and one with God (Matthew 11:27)

His disciples called him the son of God.

Isaiah from the old testament prophesied about him and called him the son of God.

Angel Gabriel in the first chapter of Luke called Jesus the Son of God.

John the baptist called Jesus the son of God.

The Jews who hated him accused him of claiming he is the Son of God and one with God. Eg Mark 11: 17-18

Demons he casted out called him the son of God.


Yet u Muslims choose to believe the words of
A monotheistic pagan
sex addicted
slave trader
mass murderer
illiterate Arab paedophile wife beater who came 600 years after Christ and was poisoned by a jewish woman, died after suffering for 4 years while reciting chants hoping to be cured.

May the one true God, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, father of Jesus set you free when u come to him for truth.

tola9ja:

Luke 22:67-71Revised Standard Version (RSV)

67 “If you are the Christ, tell us.” But he said to them, “If I tell you, you will not believe; 68 and if I ask you, you will not answer. 69 But from

now on the Son of man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.” 70 And they all said, “Are you the Son of God, then?” And he

said to them, “You say that I am.[/b]LOL” 71 And they said, “What further testimony do we need? We have heard it ourselves from his own lips.”




Matthew 10:23Revised Standard Version (RSV)

23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the[b] Son of man comes.




Matthew 19:28Revised Standard Version (RSV)

28 Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of man [/b]shall sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me

will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


I WONDER WHY SOME BRAINWASHED CHRISTIANS {Malvisguy212, Ifeann, OREMUSSANCTUS, PastorKun}IGNORANTLY CALLED HIM LORD AND SAVOIR #SMH



CALLING JESUS SON OF GOD IS A METAPHORICAL STATEMENT HE NEITHER BEGETS NOR IS BORN


Al-Ikhlas
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One, (1) Allah, the Eternal Refuge. (2) He neither begets nor is born, (3) Nor is there to Him any equivalent." (4)
QURAN112:1-4
Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,

112:2

Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
112:3

He neither begets nor is born,
112:4
[b]
And to Him none could be co-equal.

Surat Fuşşilat (Explained in Detail) - سورة فصلت

Say, O [Muhammad], "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God;

IF YOU STILL IGNORANTLY BELIEVE JESUS IS SON OF GOD THAT MEANS GOD HAS MANY SON EVEN JESUS IS NOT HIS 1ST BORN


Genesis 6:1-2English Standard Version (ESV)
Increasing Corruption on Earth

6 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.



Romans 8:12-14King James Version (KJV)

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.





John 1:12King James Version (KJV)

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:





Psalm 2:5-7English Standard Version (ESV)

5 Then he will speak to them in his wrath,
and terrify them in his fury, saying,
6 “As for me, I have set my King
on Zion, my holy hill.”

7 I will tell of the decree:
The Lord said to me, “You are my Son;
today I have begotten you


1 Chronicles 22:10King James Version (KJV)

10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.



Jeremiah 31:9English Standard Version (ESV)

9 With weeping they shall come,
and with pleas for mercy I will lead them back,
I will make them walk by brooks of water,
in a straight path in which they shall not stumble,
for I am a father to Israel,
and Ephraim is my firstborn.







Exodus 4:22English Standard Version (ESV)

22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, Israel is my firstborn son



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according to the title of your thread, "Jesus son of man" meaning you accept he is the son of man, next question WHO IS THE MAN?

The Bible never records Jesus
saying the precise words, “I am God.”
Op That does not mean, however, that
He
did not proclaim that He is God. Take for
example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I
and the Father are one.” We need only to
look at the Jews’ reaction to His
statement to know He was claiming to be
God. They tried to stone Him for this very
reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be
God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood
exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity.
When Jesus declared, “I and the Father
are one,” He was saying that He and the
Father are of one nature and essence.
John 8:58 is another example. Jesus
declared, “I tell you the truth … before
Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who
heard this statement responded by
taking up stones to kill Him for
blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law
commanded (Leviticus 24:16).
John reiterates the concept of Jesus’
deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and
“the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14).
These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is
God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be
shepherds of the church of God, which
he bought with his own blood.” Who
bought the church with His own blood?
Jesus Christ. And this same verse
declares that God purchased His church
with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is
God!
Thomas the disciple declared concerning
Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John
20:28). Jesus does not correct him.

[quote author=Ifeann post=30825941]

Hey dude. .. Get a bible and ur quran out let me educate u..

You say Christ calls himself son of man, and so. How is he incorrect. You forget he also calls himself (and is called) "son of God" dozens of time.

Job 25:4Revised Standard Version (RSV)

4 How then can man be righteous before God?
How can he who is born of woman be clean

Matthew 15:22Revised Standard Version (RSV)

22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and cried, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, [size=18pt]Son of David[/size]

Matthew 1 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Luke 3:32 chaiiiiii to much son of uncountable man

IN YORUBA LAND IF A CHILD HAVE MORE THAN 1 FATHER HE IS CALLED [size=18pt]HOMALE[/size] THAT IS WHY THE JEW CALLED JESUS IMPOSTOR

Infact this is what led to his crucifixion since the Jews claimed he committed blasphemy. You also forget he controlled the weather instantly several times, something only God does,

Hebrews 5:7Revised Standard Version (RSV)

7 In the days of his flesh, Jesus[a] offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard for his godly fear.

GOD ANSWER IS PRAYER THAT IS WHY HE WAS RAISED UP

Surat An-Nisā' (The Women) - سورة النساء

4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
4:158
Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.
IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THE QURANIC VERSE THAT MEANS YOU BELIEVE JESUS WAS ACCURSED BY GOD

Deuteronomy 21:23Revised Standard Version (RSV)

23 his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is accursed by God; you shall not defile your land which the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance.



Galatians 3:Revised Standard Version (RSV)

, “Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree”—

[s]your quran says;
Qur'an 4:171 "O people of the book! Commit no excesses in your
religion: nor say of God naught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son
of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which
He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: So believe
in God and His messengers[/s]

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs...."


[s]Jesus forgave sins, something only God does.
People he healed fell on their knees and worshipped him and yet he didn't say No don't worship me.
We Christians know on earth he had 2 natures human(son of man) and divine(son of God)
[/s] :oWHO WORSHIP JESUS SHOW US EVIDENCE HOW THEY WORSHIP HIM


Isaiah 42:8Revised Standard Version (RSV)

8 I am the Lord, that is my name;
my glory I give to no other,
nor my praise to graven images THE TRUE GOD WORTHY OF WORSHIP



Matthew 19:16-17King James Version (KJV)

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:

So in conclusion;
God the father acknowledged Jesus as his son (John 17:5, Matthew 17:5 And Mark 9:7)
esus called himself the Son of God and one with God (Matthew 11:27)
Isaiah from the old testament prophesied about him and called him the son of God.
Angel Gabriel in the first chapter of Luke called Jesus the Son of God.
Demons he casted out called him the son of God.

METAPHORICAL STATEMENT, JESUS IS A PROPHET AND SERVANT OF GOD FACT.

Yet u Muslims choose to believe the words of
A monotheistic pagan
sex addicted
slave trader
mass murderer
illiterate Arab paedophile wife beater who came 600 years after Christ and was poisoned by a jewish woman, died after suffering for 4 years while reciting chants hoping to be cured.

BLASPHEMY BLASPHEMY BLASPHEMY BLASPHEMY BLASPHEMY

May the one true God, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, father of Jesus set you free .

GLORIFIED IS SERVANT JESUS
Acts 3:13Revised Standard Version (RSV)

13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant[a]


John 14:27Revised Standard Version (RSV)

27 Peace [size=18pt]{SALAM SHALOM ,ISLAM}[/size]I leave with you;

malvisguy212:
according to the title of your thread, "Jesus son of man" meaning you accept he is the son of man, next question WHO IS THE MAN?

The Bible never records Jesus
saying the precise words, “I am God.”
Op That does not mean, however, that
He
did not proclaim that He is God. Take for
example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I
and the Father are one.” We need only to
look at the Jews’ reaction to His
statement to know He was claiming to be
God. They tried to stone Him for this very
reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be
God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood
exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity.
When Jesus declared, “I and the Father
are one,” He was saying that He and the
Father are of one nature and essence.
John 8:58 is another example. Jesus
declared, “I tell you the truth … before
Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who
heard this statement responded by
taking up stones to kill Him for
blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law
commanded (Leviticus 24:16).
John reiterates the concept of Jesus’
deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and
“the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14).
These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is
God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be
shepherds of the church of God, which
he bought with his own blood.” Who
bought the church with His own blood?
Jesus Christ. And this same verse
declares that God purchased His church
with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is
God!
Thomas the disciple declared concerning
Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John
20:28). Jesus does not correct him.

AM TIRED OF UR FABRICATION BUT BEFORE I CAN REPLY YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION

https://www.nairaland.com/2098054/questions-all-reasonable-christians/2

[quote author=tola9ja post=30833075][/quote]

Salam
Dude apparently u didn't read all those chapters and verse I asked u to cross check with a bible.

I won't copy and paste verses here for u, I want u to investigate it for yourself in the bible and form the habit of looking into the bible for yourself. I won't spoon feed u..
I will leave the reader who is willing to use common sense and investigate to see who is right or wrong in this conversation.

Shalom

Ifeann:


Salam
Dude apparently u didn't read all those chapters and verse I asked u to cross check with a bible.

I won't copy and paste verses here for u, I want u to investigate it for yourself in the bible and form the habit of looking into the bible for yourself. I won't spoon feed u..
I will leave the reader who is willing to use common sense and investigate to see who is right or wrong in this conversation.

Shalom

LOL NO MORE VERSE TO FABRICATE NO WONDER

tola9ja:


AM TIRED OF UR FABRICATION BUT BEFORE I CAN REPLY YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION

https://www.nairaland.com/2098054/questions-all-reasonable-christians/2

very funny guy, derailing your own thread.

I CHALLENGE YOU TO POINTS OUT THE FABRICATION IN MY POST.

Dint your thread say "Jesus son of man"? Who is the man?the quran address Jesus by his mother name, IN WHAT CULTURE IS A MAN ADRESS BY HIS MOTHER NAME?WHO IS THE FATHER?

God will wait for 600 years before sending muhammed to say "Jesus is not the son of God"? This is pure satanic manipulation.

malvisguy212:
very funny guy, derailing your own thread.

I CHALLENGE YOU TO POINTS OUT THE FABRICATION IN MY POST.

Dint your thread say "Jesus son of man"? Who is the man?the quran address Jesus by his mother name, IN WHAT CULTURE IS A MAN ADRESS BY HIS MOTHER NAME?WHO IS THE FATHER?

God will wait for 600 years before sending muhammed to say "Jesus is not the son of God"? This is pure satanic manipulation.

Its not only satanic manipulation, its utter stupidity to Believe such nonsense from an Arab illiterate war mongering sex addict paedophile. Only a brainwashed closeminded muslim believes such nonsense.

[quote author=tola9ja post=30833075][/quote]sorry if this is and insult to you, honestly you are one of the ignorance Muslim here. You quote job25:4 and left out some word,satan is manipulating you to twist the word of God.

Job25:4
How then can a mortal be righteous
before God?
How can one born of woman be pure?

This versed shows how glorious God is, and thence infers how guilty and impure man is before him, tola9ja your knowledge of the word of God is soo weak.
Hebrew5:7
In the days of his FlESH, Jesus offered up
prayers and supplications, with loud
cries and tears, to him who was able to
save him from death, and he was heard
because of his reverence.

Jesus has to nature, the nature of God and flesh, this verse was talking about his flesh nature, the quran and bible called him the spirit of God,meaning he has a Godly nature and the quran say he was just a man meaning he possessed the nature of man.

Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole."
If you want to talk about the death of Jesus visit this thread,don't derailed your thread,we are discussing the deity of Jesus here https://www.nairaland.com/2008614/evidences-death-jesus-quran-prove

Ifeann:


Its not only satanic manipulation, its utter stupidity to Believe such nonsense from an Arab illiterate war mongering sex addict paedophile. Only a brainwashed closeminded muslim believes such nonsense.

God bless you, a blind man cannot lead a blind man,the foundation of Islam start with lies, and violence,muhammed received his revelation from the so called devil disguise angel Gabriel with violence and lies.

tola9ja:


AM TIRED OF UR FABRICATION BUT BEFORE I CAN REPLY YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION

https://www.nairaland.com/2098054/questions-all-reasonable-christians/2

Any intelligent person who has read past commentary by muslim and Christian apologists as well as is knowledgeable on both sides of the argument -i.e crucified or not crucified will immediately tell u that ur argument is baseless, error filled and not backed up by historic evidence, not to mention biblical records and OT prophecies .

Please make sure u put the name of the pro Islamic propaganda website u copied this from. I often would like to visit them..

I don't have the time to explain these errors in ur own understanding to you, u are free to go to the bible and read those verses I cited... but I will let one of the leading muslim scholars Reza Aslan , who has extensively studied about Jesus and is an author of books criticising the new testament/christain historic manuscripts tell u in his own words. I don't agree with all he says ...but da.mn he, a muslim, studied the historic evidence and concluded the quran is very wrong..and Jesus was indeed crucified and died..infact click the link let him do the talking....remember ur quran says he wasn't , it was all your Allah's deception ( to create a religion that he would later bring Mohammed to fight 600years later) .

http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=q0-7D75ftmk
For any christain,atheist, muslim that is in doubt of the topic please watch this debate by the best muslim apologist in the world shirby Ali (this is not my opinion but he is very intelligent, nakir zaki doesn't come close ) and christain theologian Dr mike licona as they debate the topic...

A Point to note is that upcoming christain apologist Dr Nabeel Qureshi(exmuslim) saw this debate and finally renounced Islam. So be careful when u watch it, u may leave Islam. All my claims are verifiable online, make sure to google for it (mike licona debates shirby Ali on youtube ).Here is the link as well
http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=kgUjaXHyBsw

malvisguy212:
sorry if this is and insult to you, honestly you are one of the ignorance Muslim here. You quote job25:4 and left out some word,satan is manipulating you to twist the word of God.

Job25:4
How then can a mortal be righteous
before God?
How can one born of woman be pure?

This versed shows how glorious God is, and thence infers how guilty and impure man is before him, tola9ja your knowledge of the word of God is soo weak.
Hebrew5:7
In the days of his FlESH, Jesus offered up
prayers and supplications, with loud
cries and tears, to him who was able to
save him from death, and he was heard
because of his reverence.

Jesus has to nature, the nature of God and flesh, this verse was talking about his flesh nature, the quran and bible called him the spirit of God,meaning he has a Godly nature and the quran say he was just a man meaning he possessed the nature of man.

Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole."
If you want to talk about the death of Jesus visit this thread,don't derailed your thread,we are discussing the deity of Jesus here https://www.nairaland.com/2008614/evidences-death-jesus-quran-prove

where did i twist the word of the bible (cerebral stain) i don't need to disturb myself until you answer my question
https://www.nairaland.com/2098054/questions-all-reasonable-christians/2

[quote author=Ifeann post=30839613]

Any intelligent person who has read past commentary by muslim and Christian apologists as well as is knowledgeable on both sides of the argument -i.e crucified or not crucified will immediately tell u that ur argument is baseless, error filled and not backed up by historic evidence, not to mention biblical records and OT prophecies .

Surat An-Nisā' (The Women) - سورة النساء

4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
4:158
Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.
IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THE QURANIC VERSE THAT MEANS YOU BELIEVE JESUS WAS ACCURSED BY GOD

Deuteronomy 21:23Revised Standard Version (RSV)

23 his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is accursed by God; you shall not defile your land which the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance.

Please make sure u put the name of the pro Islamic propaganda website u copied this from. I often would like to visit them..

walahi that is what you have been doing here since you register so you want to compare urself with me anyway let both of us have 1on1 debate i no you will ignore because there will be no chance for copy and paste

I don't have the time to explain these errors in ur own understanding to you, u are free to go to the bible and read those verses I cited... but I will let one of the leading muslim scholars Reza Aslan , who has extensively studied about Jesus and is an author of books criticising the new testament/christain historic manuscripts tell u in his own words. I don't agree with all he says ...but da.mn he, a muslim, studied the historic evidence and concluded the quran is very wrong..and Jesus was indeed crucified and died..infact click the link let him do the talking....remember ur quran says he wasn't , it was all your Allah's deception ( to create a religion that he would later bring Mohammed to fight 600years later) .

http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=q0-7D75ftmk
For any christain,atheist, muslim that is in doubt of the topic please watch this debate by the best muslim apologist in the world shirby Ali (this is not my opinion but he is very intelligent, nakir zaki doesn't come close ) and christain theologian Dr mike licona as they debate the topic...

A Point to note is that upcoming christain apologist Dr Nabeel Qureshi(exmuslim) saw this debate and finally renounced Islam. So be careful when u watch it, u may leave Islam. All my claims are verifiable online, make sure to google for it (mike licona debates shirby Ali on youtube ).Here is the link as well
http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=kgUjaXHyBsw

blaspheme

ALL WHAT YOU INSIST IS THAT JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED ABI

THAT MEANS HE IS ACCURSED BY GOD SIMPLE

Deuteronomy 21:23Revised Standard Version (RSV)

23 his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a [size=19pt]hanged man is accursed by God[/size]; you shall not defile your land which the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance.

tola9ja:


where did i twist the word of the bible (cerebral stain) i don't need to disturb myself until you answer my question
https://www.nairaland.com/2098054/questions-all-reasonable-christians/2

you keep on derailing your thread by pasting other thread, you have never directly answer my question, you say Jesus son of man ,who is the man?

Let me show you were you misquote the word of God;

You quoted job25:4 and left out the word "mortal" this is what you quote;

Job 25:4Revised Standard Version (RSV)
4 How then can man be righteous
before God? How can he who is born of woman be clean
WHY DID YOU OMMIT THE WORD "MORTAL"?

This is the complete verse ;

Job25:4
How then can a mortal be
righteous before God?
How can one born of woman be
pure?
This versed shows how glorious
God is, and thence infers how
guilty and impure man is before

I choose to unfollow that your thread because you keep on going in cycles.

[quote author=tola9ja post=30840033][/quote]you say Jesus did not die? What about john the baptist? Did he died? Answer this question,then we can proceeds.

malvisguy212:
you say Jesus did not die? What about john the baptist? Did he died? Answer this question,then we can proceeds.

JESUS DIE? AND HE IS ACCURSED BY GOD?

tola9ja:

JESUS DIE? AND HE IS ACCURSED BY GOD?

is this the answer to my question? Did john the baptist died? I believe you understand my points that's why you don't want to answer my question, by now you must have discover the lies,if not then answer my simple question.

malvisguy212:
is this the answer to my question? Did john the baptist died? I believe you understand my points that's why you don't want to answer my question, by now you must have discover the lies,if not then answer my simple question.

Please malvisguy212 STOP replying him. ..he loves evading the truth and enjoys going in circles. .. from your posts above and my humble contribution, we have proven his statement and confusion as falsehood. .. as false as the prophet who concocted it. ..

tola9ja:
ALL WHAT YOU INSIST IS THAT JESUS WAS
CRUCIFIED ABI
THAT MEANS HE IS ACCURSED BY GOD SIMPLE
Deuteronomy 21:23Revised Standard Version
(RSV)
23 his body shall not remain all night upon the
tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a
hanged man is accursed by God;
you shall not defile your land which the Lord your
God gives you for an inheritance.

You are right about the curse part. It is actually the basis of our salvation:

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the
law by becoming a curse for us, for it is
written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on
a pole." -Gal 3:13

God made him who had no sin to be sin for
us, so that in him we might become the
righteousness of God. 2Cor 5:21

You see Tola, what happened on the cross was a kind of transaction. Jesus took upon himself the sins of the world and the curses upon the world in exchange for His righteousness and blessings.
The Father forsook Him and the weight of our sins killed Him by the most terrible heart failure.
He went to hell in our place but God raised Him from the dead so that we can become children of God and also make heaven.

Your salvation is sealed when you receive this free gift. But rejecting it- when you discover it true, will seal your damnation (it is the sin against the Holy Spirit).

As for the Divinity and Humanity of Jesus Christ:
- Jesus is 100% God, 100% Man.
- Jesus is Son of God(manifestation of God, exact represention of God).
- Jesus is Son of Man(Last Adam, representation of Mankind).

- As Son of God, He has the POWER to save man.
-As Son of Man, He has the AUTHORITY to save man

SNCOQ3:


[size=3pt]You are right about the curse part. It is actually the basis of our salvation:

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the
law by becoming a curse for us, for it is
written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on
a pole." -Gal 3:13

God made him who had no sin to be sin for
us, so that in him we might become the
righteousness of God. 2Cor 5:21

You see Tola, what happened on the cross was a kind of transaction. Jesus took upon himself the sins of the world and the curses upon the world in exchange for His righteousness and blessings.
The Father forsook Him and the weight of our sins killed Him by the most terrible heart failure.
He went to hell in our place but God raised Him from the dead so that we can become children of God and also make heaven.

Your salvation is sealed when you receive this free gift. But rejecting it- when you discover it true, will seal your damnation (it is the sin against the Holy Spirit).[/size]
As for the Divinity and Humanity of Jesus Christ:
- Jesus is 100% God, 100% Man.
- Jesus is Son of God(manifestation of God, exact represention of God).
- Jesus is Son of Man(Last Adam, representation of Mankind).
- As Son of God, He has the POWER to save man.
-As Son of Man, He has the AUTHORITY to save man

Everything you said you said up there is complete nonsense especially @bold. You simply saying when jesus was on earth preaching as 100% man(flesh), who then controlled the heavens at that moment ?. He put it on auto pilot?. Your doctrine is really messed up.
According to you he's 100% God, 100% man and at the same time he's son of God i:e he's is own God's son. Doctrine of yours is fundamentally flawed. Sorry Jesus cant be God and human at the same time. That's rubbish.

In islam it's just simple. God and Jesus are distinct, different entity. If you believe differently you blaspheme. A sin that will land you in Hell (forever) with no possibility of getting out. It's shirk !

malvisguy212:
according to the title of your thread, "Jesus son of man" meaning you accept he is the son of man, next question WHO IS THE MAN?

The Bible never records Jesus
saying the precise words, “I am God.”
Op That does not mean, however, that
He
did not proclaim that He is God. Take for
example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I
and the Father are one.” We need only to
look at the Jews’ reaction to His
statement to know He was claiming to be
God. They tried to stone Him for this very
reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be
God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood
exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity.
When Jesus declared, “I and the Father
are one,” He was saying that He and the
Father are of one nature and essence.
John 8:58 is another example. Jesus
declared, “I tell you the truth … before
Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who
heard this statement responded by
taking up stones to kill Him for
blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law
commanded (Leviticus 24:16).
John reiterates the concept of Jesus’
deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and
“the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14).
These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is
God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be
shepherds of the church of God, which
he bought with his own blood.” Who
bought the church with His own blood?
Jesus Christ. And this same verse
declares that God purchased His church
with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is
God!
Thomas the disciple declared concerning
Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John
20:28). Jesus does not correct him.

so that's the vague statement you use to justify your idolatory despite other numerous clear statements against it.you christains just want to worship a superhero.

[quote author=tartar9[/quote]

[size=30pt]. Proverbs 26 verse 4 [/size]

"Empiree":

Everything you said you said up there is complete
nonsense especially @bold. You simply saying
when jesus was on earth preaching as 100% man
(flesh), who then controlled the heavens at
moment ?. He put it on auto pilot?. Your doctrine
is really messed up.

You need to brush up on basic doctrine of the Trinity.

According to you he's 100% God, 100% man and
at the same time he's son of God i:e he's is own
God's son. Doctrine of yours is fundamentally
flawed.

Son of God is God the Son - Second member of Trinity.

Sorry Jesus cant be God and human at
the same time. That's rubbish.

Says who?

In islam it's just simple. God and Jesus are
distinct, different entity. If you believe differently
you blaspheme. A sin that will land you in Hell
(forever) with no possibility of getting out. It's
shirk !

Only that Islam is fake.

God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit are distinct persons yet one God.

The Triune Godhead is not polytheism, but before you dissaprove again, you may want to clear the air on Mohammed's approval and and declaration for polytheism in the Satanic Verse.

tartar9:
so that's the vague statement you use to justify your idolatory despite other numerous clear statements against it.you christains just want to worship a superhero.

jesus,son of man. WHO WAS THE MAN? The quran called Jesus spirit and word of God and the bible called Jesus 'son of God' HOW DO YOU RECONCILED ALL THIS? I put it to you,if you do not know the father of Jesus,you do not know the true God.

malvisguy212:
jesus,son of man. WHO WAS THE MAN? The quran called Jesus spirit and word of God and the bible called Jesus 'son of God' HOW DO YOU RECONCILED ALL THIS? I put it to you,if you do not know the father of Jesus,you do not know the true God.

WHO IS THE FATHER OF ADAM AND EVE ?

SNCOQ3:


You are right about the curse part. It is actually the basis of our salvation:

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the
law by becoming a curse for us, for it is
written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on
a pole." -Gal 3:13

God made him who had no sin to be sin for
us, so that in him we might become the
righteousness of God. 2Cor 5:21

You see Tola, what happened on the cross was a kind of transaction. Jesus took upon himself the sins of the world and the curses upon the world in exchange for His righteousness and blessings.
The Father forsook Him and the weight of our sins killed Him by the most terrible heart failure.
He went to hell in our place but God raised Him from the dead so that we can become children of God and also make heaven.

Your salvation is sealed when you receive this free gift. But rejecting it- when you discover it true, will seal your damnation (it is the sin against the Holy Spirit).

SO YOU ADMIT UR LORD AND SAVOIR IS ACCURSED BY GOD SMH
HE HAS DIED FOR OUR SINS THAT MEANS WE SHOULD START COMMITTING SINS BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN FORGIVEN

As for the Divinity and Humanity of Jesus Christ:
- Jesus is 100% God, 100% Man.
- Jesus is Son of God(manifestation of God, exact represention of God).
- Jesus is Son of Man(Last Adam, representation of Mankind).

- As Son of God, He has the POWER to save man.

-ALL WHAT YOU WROTE CONTRADICT WHAT IS INSIDE THE BIBLE

SNCOQ3:

You need to brush up on basic doctrine of the Trinity

that silly thing I have been fed since nursery 1 and even had those stupid songs. And in 2015 you want to convince me to worship 3 gods? you got to be out of your mind. Rubbish.
Show me from all your bibles where Jesus made claim to trinity?. Your fellow Christian clowns can't defend their basic beliefs that's why they attacking Islam on NL.
I wish I have time for you to trash this trinity nonsense. Not even all Christians believe in that crap

tola9ja:


WHO IS THE FATHER OF ADAM AND EVE ?

Adam was created without the agency of a human father or mother because, as the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of creation was necessary at the beginning of the world of mankind. Someone had to be created first. But in the case of Jesus, he was born without a human father when God’s natural process of procreation had long been in existence.
Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special relationship with the One who was the architect of this miraculous conception – a relationship that is shared by no other prophet. The birth of no other prophet has been anything as remotely close as the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ.

NOW,ANSWER MY QUESTION,
Jesus son of man,who was the man?
Why will God interrupt the process of procreation just because of Jesus?

malvisguy212:
Adam was created without the agency of a human father or mother because, as the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of creation was necessary at the beginning of the world of mankind. Someone had to be created first. But in the case of Jesus, he was born without a human father when God’s natural process of procreation had long been in existence.
Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special relationship with the One who was the architect of this miraculous conception – a relationship that is shared by no other prophet. The birth of no other prophet has been anything as remotely close as the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ.

NOW,ANSWER MY QUESTION,
Jesus son of man,who was the man?
Why will God interrupt the process of procreation just because of Jesus?

BETWEEN THE CREATION OF JESUS AND ADAM WHICH 1 IS THE GREATEST ?

According to the holy bible, Jesus created all things except himself. That means, he knows your anatomy and can kill you at anytime. If that's not the definition of GOD, then i don't what is.

timonski:
According to the holy bible, Jesus created all things except himself. That means, he knows your anatomy and can kill you at anytime. If that's not the definition of GOD, then i don't what is.

Rubbish! Where is evidence for this bold allegations ?