Henry120:


A medic for over 400 troops you classless liar.

No, a doctor for 200 troops:


Soldiers had to ask French parachutists for essential equipment, with only one doctor present, with a backpack for medical support.
http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/sandf-names-troops-killed-in-car-1.1492238

You dont know the difference between a doctor and a medic? Or you cant read?

Dude, your lies are so obvious and so pathetic.

Henry120:



Deal with the facts, the SANDF is an incompetent, poorly organised pitiful, poorly trained, poorly equipped force.

Not according to reuters who were on the ground.

- 200 men
- against 3000
- 14-18 hour battle
- 13 dead on our side
- around 500 dead on theirs
- all our objectives met
- they offered the cease fire

You wish your military could achieve that. Your whole Division of 20 000 men with tanks, artillery, jets and attack helicopters are as effective as 200 South African paratroopers, 4 12.5 HMG's and a half battery of 60mm mortars

Meanwhile, 1300 dead, 1,5 million displaced and a Kingdom the size of Belgium carved out in your own country. You suffered 35 Banguis!!

Patchesagain:


No, a doctor for 200 troops:


Soldiers had to ask French parachutists for essential equipment, with only one doctor present, with a backpack for medical support.
http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/sandf-names-troops-killed-in-car-1.1492238

You dont know the difference between a doctor and a medic? Or you cant read?

Dude, your lies are so obvious and so pathetic.

A Doctor with only a backpack is a medic you fool.




Okay, your doctor only had a backpack. That's all the supplies he had. He didn't even have the essentials.


That's all the supplies he had for 400 troops....... Like this is any better.

Please don't cry, I can't offer you wipes.

Pathetic force.

Henry120:
Uselessness of the SANDF. CAR

[b] Pretoria - Operational commanders have painted a picture of chaos around the mission in the Central African Republic that claimed the lives of 15 South African soldiers - putting the blame squarely on the shoulders of the military’s top brass.

According to the Sunday Times, logistical blunders and feuding among military bosses led to South Africa’s ‘Mogadishu’ in March last year.



However, the military has never revealed before that all the deaths happened in a single ambush on 23 March last year when about 100 paratroopers were being transported in open vehicles through rebel territory.

Details came to light after interviews were conducted with survivors during a probe into the incident.

The newspaper reports that field commanders had pleaded for armoured personnel carriers two months before the ambush, that they had asked for sniper rifles, Rooivalk attack helicopters, Oryx transport helicopters and a reconnaissance aircraft - none of which were supplied.

Troops painted a picture of chaotic supply of weapons and equipment while dual reporting lines contributed to the logistical chaos while force commander Colonel William Dixon gave a horrific description of the lead up to the final assault that claimed the lives of the South Africans.


had become a target for reportedly helping CAR President Francois Bozize flee the country into the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

According to the report, top structures were warned by senior SANDF officers that the CAR mission amounted to "suicide".

SA Air Force aircraft were also put on standby but due to financial constraints the Gripens were not armed with weapons with an attack capacity.

SANDF soldiers reportedly struggled on the ground due to lack of logistics and air support.

Soldiers had to ask French parachutists for essential equipment, with only one doctor present with a backpack for medical support.[/b]


Patches689, mikeczar, agaugust, Jln115, saengine, lezz

The Gripens will not carry air to ground weapons when they deploying currently, as. they carry fuel tanks. They have a C-130 support aircraft carrying bombs and other stuff pods etc. They carried IRIS-T SRAAMs.

Again the SANDF had a contract with a certain charter company.

From your source: It shows the SA forces fought well and only took casualties during a ambush.

The top brass?

Nigerian troops on the run

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXbQ4aN2B5U

And again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY36o7O6LpY

And again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WxPK6xdukQ


“There’s so many issues,” said Alkasim Abdulkadir, a Nigerian freelance journalist and security analyst, citing the lack of a unified command structure, poor equipment, low morale and allegations of corruption among commanders as key reasons behind the military’s failures."
- Al Jazeera

Last year, Nigerian troops were deployed as part of an African Union mission to Mali - they arrived without transport, armour, very little ammunition, and almost no communications equipment.
- BBC

You had to rely on Chad, Cameroon and white mercenaries to liberate you.

Whom is incompetant?

MikeCZAR:


The Gripens will not carry air to ground weapons when they deploying currently, as. they carry fuel tanks. They have a C-130 support aircraft carrying bombs and other stuff pods etc. They carried IRIS-T SRAAMs.

Again the SANDF had a contract with a certain charter company.

From your source: It shows the SA forces fought well and only took casualties during a ambush.

The top brass?

No, the evidence shows your troops are an incredibly incompetent lot. Your Generals are plain clueless.

Henry120:


Nigeria's military doctrine entails the military is diversified.

The SANDF is an incompetent, poorly resourced , poorly equipped excuse for a military. We've seen this fact over and over and over.


Taking photos at your rand show/exhibitions or when visiting ships come around is absolutely nothing.

South-Africa manufactures APC's, but the SANDF cannot equip it troops with these APCs.

How many APCs does South-Africa have, it surely isn't up to 500.

what doctrine? Rebel doctrine?

The SANDF is more than well equipment when compared to all sub-saharan armies.

Thee SANDF has 800+ APCs.

And more 600+ IFVs.

Backed by Samil trucks.

Henry120:


A Doctor with only a backpack is a medic you fool.




Okay, your doctor only had a backpack. That's all the supplies he had. He didn't even have the essentials.


That's all the supplies he had for 400 troops....... Like this is any better.

Please don't cry, I can't offer your wipes.

Pathetic force.

The essentials are contained in the medbag

And will have been supplimented by the equipment held by medics on the ground

Multiple Medics and doctors were present:

Sergeant Mampa Serole Colman, Corporal Ngobese Mandla Maxwell and Corporal Nkoana Molatelo Alphina were awarded the Nkwe ya Boronse decoration for valour

13 Other members of 7 Medical Battalion group received various medals for their participation in the Battle of Bangui.

Thats a total of: 16 medics

Henry120:


No, the evidence shows your troops are an incredibly incompetent lot. Your Generals are plain clueless.

How?

Tell us how.

Patchesagain:


The essentials are contained in the medbag

And will have been supplimented by the equipment held by medics on the ground

Multiple Medics and doctors were present:

Sergeant Mampa Serole Colman, Corporal Ngobese Mandla Maxwell and Corporal Nkoana Molatelo Alphina were awarded the Nkwe ya Boronse decoration for valour

13 Other members of 7 Medical Battalion group received various medals for their participation in the Battle of Bangui.

Thats a total of: 16 medics

Your troops receiving medals for cowardice!!!!

What a country.

400 troops had only 1 bag of medical supplies, even this didn't contain the essentials. LOL.


"Soldiers had to ask French parachutists for essential equipment, with only one doctor present with a backpack for medical support."

Patchesagain:


How?

Tell us how.

[b] Pretoria - Operational commanders have painted a picture of chaos around the mission in the Central African Republic that claimed the lives of 15 South African soldiers - putting the blame squarely on the shoulders of the military’s top brass.

According to the Sunday Times, logistical blunders and feuding among military bosses led to South Africa’s ‘Mogadishu’ in March last year.



However, the military has never revealed before that all the deaths happened in a single ambush on 23 March last year when about 100 paratroopers were being transported in open vehicles through rebel territory.

Details came to light after interviews were conducted with survivors during a probe into the incident.

The newspaper reports that field commanders had pleaded for armoured personnel carriers two months before the ambush, that they had asked for sniper rifles, Rooivalk attack helicopters, Oryx transport helicopters and a reconnaissance aircraft - none of which were supplied.

Troops painted a picture of chaotic supply of weapons and equipment while dual reporting lines contributed to the logistical chaos while force commander Colonel William Dixon gave a horrific description of the lead up to the final assault that claimed the lives of the South Africans.


had become a target for reportedly helping CAR President Francois Bozize flee the country into the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

According to the report, top structures were warned by senior SANDF officers that the CAR mission amounted to "suicide".

SA Air Force aircraft were also put on standby but due to financial constraints the Gripens were not armed with weapons with an attack capacity.

SANDF soldiers reportedly struggled on the ground due to lack of logistics and air support.

Soldiers had to ask French parachutists for essential equipment, with only one doctor present with a backpack for medical support.


"A source with the United Nations in Bangui said the South Africans had asked for assistance from French forces to help them leave the country."

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE92M0AU20130324?irpc=932

"Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels, Reuters reports."



"Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport."


"Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city." [/b]

Henry120:


Your troops receiving medals for cowardice!!!!

What a country.

400 troops had only 1 bag of medical supplies, even this didn't contain the essentials. LOL.


"Soldiers had to ask French parachutists for essential equipment, with only one doctor present with a backpack for medical support."

Where does it say 400 men?

Where does it say the backpack did not contain the essentials?

You didnt read the part where 16 medics were present? they have their own equipment. The word of the media is not the word of god.

And yes, 200 men who stop over 3000 men dead in their tracks for 18 hours and inflict 500 casualties on them deserve medals for valour.

Maybe if your men did the same you would not need to call on mercenaries to win the war for you

Henry120:


[b] Pretoria - Operational commanders have painted a picture of chaos around the mission in the Central African Republic that claimed the lives of 15 South African soldiers - putting the blame squarely on the shoulders of the military’s top brass.

According to the Sunday Times, logistical blunders and feuding among military bosses led to South Africa’s ‘Mogadishu’ in March last year.



However, the military has never revealed before that all the deaths happened in a single ambush on 23 March last year when about 100 paratroopers were being transported in open vehicles through rebel territory.

Details came to light after interviews were conducted with survivors during a probe into the incident.

The newspaper reports that field commanders had pleaded for armoured personnel carriers two months before the ambush, that they had asked for sniper rifles, Rooivalk attack helicopters, Oryx transport helicopters and a reconnaissance aircraft - none of which were supplied.

Troops painted a picture of chaotic supply of weapons and equipment while dual reporting lines contributed to the logistical chaos while force commander Colonel William Dixon gave a horrific description of the lead up to the final assault that claimed the lives of the South Africans.


had become a target for reportedly helping CAR President Francois Bozize flee the country into the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

According to the report, top structures were warned by senior SANDF officers that the CAR mission amounted to "suicide".

SA Air Force aircraft were also put on standby but due to financial constraints the Gripens were not armed with weapons with an attack capacity.

SANDF soldiers reportedly struggled on the ground due to lack of logistics and air support.

Soldiers had to ask French parachutists for essential equipment, with only one doctor present with a backpack for medical support.


"A source with the United Nations in Bangui said the South Africans had asked for assistance from French forces to help them leave the country."

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE92M0AU20130324?irpc=932

"Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels, Reuters reports."



"Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport."


"Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city." [/b]

Ok, you can post that as many times as you want.

It doesnt answer my questions.

How?

Why?

Is this all you can do? Have we rap.ed you so hard that this is all you have? Cherry picking peices of articals and regurgitating them over and over?

Go pay your taxes, South African mercenaries want to collect their monthly paychecks.

Henry120:


No, the evidence shows your troops are an incredibly incompetent lot. Your Generals are plain clueless.

The president, for example, was decisive throughout a crisis that would have seen many other political leaders fail.

A request for assistance was received on December 29; he was briefed on the 30th; the Minister of Defence was in Bangui on the 31st; the first troops arrived on January 2.



Command and control worked as it should: force and mission commanders were appointed and – for the first time in this writer’s memory – were left alone to do their job without interference.

The minister of defence spent the critical hours in the operations room without interfering, but helping decisively at key points.

MikeCZAR:
what doctrine? Rebel doctrine?

The SANDF is more than well equipment when compared to all sub-saharan armies.

Thee SANDF has 800+ APCs.

And more 600+ IFVs.

Backed by Samil trucks.

No, they are not.

The Nigerian military has more than 1500 APCs

More 2000 (Tanks, IFV,AFV,)

Backed up by Trucks, utility vehicles.

Patchesagain:


Where does it say 400 men?

Where does it say the backpack did not contain the essentials?

You didnt read the part where 16 medics were present? they have their own equipment. The word of the media is not the word of god.

And yes, 200 men who stop over 3000 men dead in their tracks for 18 hours and inflict 500 casualties on them deserve medals for valour.

Maybe if your men did the same you would not need to call on mercenaries to win the war for you

Yes, like I've always said, the ineptitude of the SANDF doesn't end with the poorly trained ground troops. Incompetence and outright cluelessness goes all the way top.


Your 400 troops (special forces) were brushed aside by cleaners and little kids. Again, not a single blade of evidence shows your troops killed any seleka rebels, not one.

Mercenaries, no evidence of any in Nigeria. The Nigerian government hired a Nigerian PMC.

The Vice video proves this.




Operational commanders have painted a picture of chaos around the mission in the Central African Republic that claimed the lives of 15 South African soldiers - putting the blame squarely on the shoulders of the military’s top brass.

According to the Sunday Times, logistical blunders and feuding among military bosses led to South Africa’s ‘Mogadishu’ in March last year.

No evidence of C2.

Henry120:


No, they are not.

The Nigerian military has more than 1500 APCs

More 2000 (Tanks, IFV,AFV,)

Backed up by Trucks, utility vehicles.

Matching to Bama on foot with 1500 APCs available with different camos?

In a conventional war most of the time if soldiers are matching on foot the tank are kept behind them.

MikeCZAR:


The president, for example, was decisive throughout a crisis that would have seen many other political leaders fail.

A request for assistance was received on December 29; he was briefed on the 30th; the Minister of Defence was in Bangui on the 31st; the first troops arrived on January 2.



Command and control worked as it should: force and mission commanders were appointed and – for the first time in this writer’s memory – were left alone to do their job without interference.

The minister of defence spent the critical hours in the operations room without interfering, but helping decisively at key points.

Operational commanders have painted a picture of chaos around the mission in the Central African Republic that claimed the lives of 15 South African soldiers - putting the blame squarely on the shoulders of the military’s top brass.

According to the Sunday Times, logistical blunders and feuding among military bosses led to South Africa’s ‘Mogadishu’ in March last year.

No evidence of C&C.


What situation room....... LMAO !!!!!!

MikeCZAR:
Matching to Bama on foot with 1500 APCs available with different camos?

In a conventional war most of the time if soldiers are matching on foot the tank are kept behind them.

They watched to bama with all their supply vehicles behind them.

The Tanks only moved forward to provide firepower and cover.


Let's talk about SANDF supply ......... Rightly the lack of it, which turned your troops to beggars of essential materials.

LOL!!!

Your run a clownish sub-par rebel force.

Henry120:


A medic for over 400 troops you classless liar.

Now, he says I'm running a smear campaign...... LOL!!

Deal with the facts, the SANDF is an incompetent, poorly organised pitiful, poorly trained, poorly equipped force.

Not according to reuters who were on the ground.

This is what Reuters, UN, the BBC said




"A source with the United Nations in Bangui said the South Africans had asked for assistance from French forces to help them leave the country."

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE92M0AU20130324?irpc=932

"Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels, Reuters reports."



"Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport."


"Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city."

why do you like to balloon the numbers of SA troops deployed to CAR? How is that going to benefit you because only 250 soldiers were deployed. The number that does not even make a quota of SANDF troops.



Meanwhile, The whole Nigerian army, air force et al asked assistance from SA mercenaries to defeat BH. Don't forget that one as well.

In Bangui, the French deployed over 4000 troops in contrast to SA that deployed only 250 soldiers.

Henry120:





Operational commanders have painted a picture of chaos around the mission in the Central African Republic that claimed the lives of 15 South African soldiers - putting the blame squarely on the shoulders of the military’s top brass.

According to the Sunday Times, logistical blunders and feuding among military bosses led to South Africa’s ‘Mogadishu’ in March last year.

No evidence of C&C.


What situation room....... LMAO !!!!!!

BH has killed over 1000 Nigerians soldiers. We lost only 15 soldiers.

Henry120:


Your troops receiving medals for cowardice!!!!

What a country.

400 troops had only 1 bag of medical supplies, even this didn't contain the essentials. LOL.


"Soldiers had to ask French parachutists for essential equipment, with only one doctor present with a backpack for medical support."

Where do you get 400 from? Can you see where your source is misleading you?

Henry120:


They watched to bama with all their supply vehicles behind them.

The Tanks only moved forward to provide firepower and cover.


Let's talk about SANDF supply ......... Rightly the lack of it, which turned your troops to beggars of essential materials.

LOL!!!

Your run a clownish sub-par rebel force.

Supply vehicles consisting of hilux bakkies and civilians trucks.

Your tanks would a nice meal for tank hunting force.

Lack of what? The supply capability the SANDF lacks is airlift which all sub-saharan air forces lack but that is being addressed.

Henry120:





Operational commanders have painted a picture of chaos around the mission in the Central African Republic that claimed the lives of 15 South African soldiers - putting the blame squarely on the shoulders of the military’s top brass.

According to the Sunday Times, logistical blunders and feuding among military bosses led to South Africa’s ‘Mogadishu’ in March last year.

No evidence of C&C.


What situation room....... LMAO !!!!!!

 280 troops with mainly light weapons and no armoured vehicles, found themselves facing attack by about 3 000 rebels, now competently led and supported by “technicals”, 30mm automatic grenade launchers and 73mm recoilless guns and with more to follow.

Only the skill and courage of the South African troops forced Seleka to propose a ceasefire.

The situation could have been restored. The reserve was quickly deployed to jumping-off points at Gemena in DRC and Entebbe; Rooivalk and Oryx helicopters were deployed to Gemena and Gripen fighters to Kinshasa.

what is "C&C" or you mean C2 ?

patches689:


The SANDF COP is something Nigerians could only dream of, compared to your poorly entrenched position, with ammunition strewn about the place in haphazard fashion, men who dont even have a uniform, rusty old AK's no communications equipment and foreigners operating your equipment for you

That Nigerian army Konduga base was 100% safe in 20 attacks and lost only one soldier but killed 1,000 enemy soldiers in 6 months.

You are sitting down a laptop to criticize an army unit that won all it's battles and won a war in record time.

Nothing ever went wrong with ammunition storage, the war is over, only you dream of an explosion inside the base. Go sell your nincompoop analysis to your SANDF inexperienced army, they would enjoy base defence and ammunition storage lecture from a mere Soweto civilian.

Your dreams are becoming like narcotic hallucinations, your PHOTO 1 below is NOT human blond hair, it's a part of the pilot's collar neck region clothing and and kit.

Your PHOTO 2 below shows you have overdose of cocaine inhaled through both your nose, ears, and eyes ! There are Nigerians with super light skin and almost white hands, see my own PHOTOS number 3 and 4.

You must have been drugged overnight weekend and dumped in a bar toilet before you woke up to browse Nairaland, see your ugly Soweto face like that of Okafor in comedy !
.

Does anyone know that Mokopa missile and Mupsaw secretly entered service with the SAAF?

EVarn:
Enemies you cant see,but that you can locate.If you can neither see nor locate,then you end up wasting time,effort and ammunition.
let me break it down: an invading army from botswana marches in force against south africa,on getting to southern botswana,they stop and prepare to launch a mortar bombardment into south africa from the border town of Gaborone,they are targeting a weapon nest belonging to the SANDF,but they can neither see nor do they know where the ammo storage facility is located,they simply know that the SANDF has an armoury in the North West area.
What do you think would happen if they start launching mortars into SA?,the heavy mortars could land in Mmabatho or Rutenburg or Mamelodi or Pretoria or Klerksdorp or Soweto os Tsakane or Johannesburg or even potchefstroom!,but at the end of the day,the targetted armoury would be safe and sound.

Let's keep it as Botswana.

Before they move they will need to recon the area. Small teams will probe and scout out the terrain and enemy. So now when Botswana opens fire they know that in that general area is a SA milltary camp. There are no bases in the area. So in a suprise attack the target would be camps. These are not big and not built to be defended against a attack.


Another method is the use of a observer. The most destructive system in use by the military is the radio. Useing BH against Nigeria. A lone man could set up in a concealed postion and direct the mortar fire.

If your mortar can see the enemy then you doing something wrong.

Patchesagain:
Nigerian troops on the run

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXbQ4aN2B5U

And again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY36o7O6LpY

And again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WxPK6xdukQ


“There’s so many issues,” said Alkasim Abdulkadir, a Nigerian freelance journalist and security analyst, citing the lack of a unified command structure, poor equipment, low morale and allegations of corruption among commanders as key reasons behind the military’s failures."
- Al Jazeera

Last year, Nigerian troops were deployed as part of an African Union mission to Mali - they arrived without transport, armour, very little ammunition, and almost no communications equipment.
- BBC

You had to rely on Chad, Cameroon and white mercenaries to liberate you.

Whom is incompetant?

Patches is getting angry and desperate again.

Msauza:


why do you like to balloon the numbers of SA troops deployed to CAR? How is that going to benefit you because only 250 soldiers were deployed. The number that does not even make a quota of SANDF troops.



Meanwhile, The whole Nigerian army, air force et al asked assistance from SA mercenaries to defeat BH. Don't forget that one as well.

In Bangui, the French deployed over 4000 troops in contrast to SA that deployed only 250 soldiers.

What the world knows and acknowledge, South Africa denies.

FighterPilot:
Does anyone know that Mokopa missile and Mupsaw secretly entered service with the SAAF?

Does anyone know that Su-30 Flanker jets with BVR missiles secretly entered service with NAF ?

Torgos and Mupsaw missiles, wepons that take on targets more than 300km away.

lezz:
Patches is getting angry and desperate again.

Patches689 has had a complete mental breakdown. The desperado can't come to terms with the ineptitude and incompetence of the SANDF.