The subject of this thread is deceptive and false. I urge the Mods to modify it.

Senate did not pass any law which makes the legal age to have sex 11. The law merely sets the punishment of life imprisonment for raping anyone under 11.

 Current Criminal Code provides for life imprisonment for any person who has unlawful "carnal knowledge" of a girl under the age of 13.

Note the term "unlawful" in the criminal code. This exempts those who are married to 13yr olds, for example.

what was the case study used?

ie reason for deliberating on this?

Shymm3x:


Go back and read ya own posts on this thread and all ya talks about "sensationalism" while trying to subtly defend the useless bill. The fact that they made it anything under 11 means: from 11 upwards, you're no longer a minor. Effing savages!

Ugh, I'm starting to get the feeling that you're one of those who talk just for the sake of talking, and your words and reasoning have no substance to them whatsoever. I'll encourage you to go and read the bill, think, and then arrive at your own conclusion

Yes, the topic of this thread is nothing short of sensationalism, it infers that the legal age of consent is now 11, and that is untrue. If you sexually assault a child over the age of 11, you will be persecuted, but a life imprisonment is not guaranteed. As to why age 11 was the cut-off, I do not know as I was not involved in the policy-making process. Why am I narrating a very simple bill to an individual who I presume is educated?

cococandy:
lol.I should be asking you that @bolded.
I don't worry myself about the social ills in America. I hardly discuss them

I'm always on the case of Nigerians and things that happen in my beloved country.

You're the one that won't stop lamenting about Americansa and how they want to corrupt your country

Having ranted the above ^^^^^^my previous post :




It is AMAZING the high level of illiteracy among the average Nigerian youth sha. This article does not make 11yrs the legal age to have sex. Just that any age below 12 is liable to be punishable by life imprisonment. Any age above 12 is still a crime, just not punishable by life imprisonment.


The title is misleading.

And there we go again.

5minsmadness:


And I will continue lamenting and there is nothing you can do about it.

Whether we like it or not America has a big role to play in the way our youth live their lives over here. Everyone and their mother is trying to be westernized. It shows in the way they dress, the way they talk, the way they take selfies (very annoying... We've been taking selfies for years before it became a fad) and ultimately the way they think. The truth is most youth support homosexuality simply because "america" supports it. Same with atheism, same with feminism, etc. "America" is more often than not used as a standard. Even when chimamanda writes total and absolute rubbish she is immediately hailed by our youth cos she has been 'recognized' by America. Some bimbo was saying the other day that she is the first Nigerian feminist! The day Americans change their stance in these issues you'll see the massive change of opinion in our youth as well.

So Bleep it and yeah I'll keep ranting on the ills of that misguided and misguiding country whenever I spot them for as long as I am able. I'm not going to shut my mouth and ignore them cos their government Is apparently better than mine. I know they have an influence on us and I intend to make sure in my little way that their influence doesn't drive us into the sea and oblivion faster than we are already going!

Viva LA Voce!!!!

That's by the way.

Knowing how America is the mother of all evil places if this law had been passed there even with all the good intentions behind it, you would have found a way to stylishly make it look like its about gradually making sex with children who aren't under 11 not so much of a crime.

Na today?
I know you

5minsmadness:


Having ranted the above ^^^^^^my previous post :




It is AMAZING the high level of illiteracy among the average Nigerian youth sha. This article does not make 11yrs the legal age to have sex. Just that any age below 12 is liable to be punishable by life imprisonment. Any age above 12 is still a crime, just not punishable by life imprisonment.


The title is misleading.

texanomaly:


In America this is called pedophilia.
How can Nigerians stand by and allow this disgusting law to stand?

In foreign countries the title of this thread can lead nairaland to a lawsuit!
The Senate did NOT PASS ANY LAW for the underage to have sex! It simply alters the severity of punishment for the crime of carnal knowledge of a minor below 12yrs to life imprisonment! Previous laws for those 12 to 17 still stands!

cococandy:
That's by the way.

Knowing how America is the mother of all evil places if this law had been passed there even with all the good intentions behind it, you would have found a way to stylishly make it look like[b] its about gradually making sex with children who aren't under 11 not so much of a crime.[/b]

Na today?
I know you

Of COURSE it is!
Shuo!
So if America comes up with this type of law and backs it up with 100good reasons, you will agree?!?

5minsmadness:


Of COURSE it is!
Shuo!
So if America comes up with this type of law and backs it up with 100good reasons, you will agree?!?

the question is now NIGERIA did it. So you agree?

Abi you're still looking for a way to blame America for this one

5minsmadness:


In foreign countries the title of this thread can lead nairaland to a lawsuit!
The Senate did NOT PASS ANY LAW for the underage to have sex! It simply alters the severity of punishment for the crime of carnal knowledge of a minor below 12yrs to life imprisonment! Previous laws for those 12 to 17 still stands!

So if the child is 12 they are not worth as much?

Ibsgal:

Ugh, I'm starting to get the feeling that you're one of those who talk just for the sake of talking, and your words and reasoning have no substance to them whatsoever. I'll encourage you to go and read the bill, think, and then arrive at your own conclusion

Yes, the topic of this thread is nothing short of sensationalism, it infers that the legal age of consent is now 11, and that is untrue. If you sexually assault a child over the age of 11, you will be persecuted, but a life imprisonment is not guaranteed. As to why age 11 was the cut-off, I do not know as I was not involved in the policy-making process. Why am I narrating a very simple bill to an individual who I presume is educated?

You're just as vacuous as your mentality and like I told you the other day, you lack basic understanding of the English language. And I've to keep questioning if you ever passed through the four walls of a school. This is basically reminiscent of the way you tried woefully, perhaps due to illiteracy to suggest that, "suppression of press" is different from "no press freedom".

Let me give you a quick tutoring and leave ya hypocrisy aside for a moment. I don't care about the whole content of bill, the excerpt on this thread itself is self-explanatory and that's the bill. It clearly stated that any child sexually assaulted at any age under 11 will get life imprisonment. Thus making children over the age 11 adults and sexual assault against them would be treated the same way they treat sexual assault against adults - which means: they wouldn't get the same treatment kids under 11 get, if they are victims of sexual assault. Evidently, it means they would be viewed legally as adults.

If you don't understand legal terms, ask questions. The fact that age 11 was clearly stipulated in the bill, with punishment, is self-explanatory. And it shows what they deem as minor.

cococandy:
the question is now NIGERIA did it. So you agree?

Abi you're still looking for a way to blame America for this one

I don't get u.
You think I agree with this bill because nigeria did it?

5minsmadness:

I don't get u.
You think I agree with this bill because nigeria did it?

I'm asking you if you agree or not.
It's a question.

If you don't agree, why aren't all over the place lambasting the law makers like you would be doing if it happened in far away America that doesn't concern your country.

Ibsgal

Okay, since it seems you keep having problems with basic English language and legal terms, I'll break it down for you in simpler terms, by asking you a few questions.

Based on bill: we know the punishment for sexual assault against anyone under age 11 is life imprisonment. What's the punishment for sexual assault against anyone from age 12-15 for example? Ditto age 18-50? Did the bill stipulate anything about these two age brackets and did it classify them into separate groups?

So, basically, since it never made any clear distinction about any age bracket apart from those under age 11 - it shows anyone over 11 is deemed LEGALLY as an adult, and the punishment for sexual assault against them would be the same across the board. While only those under 11 are deemed as minors. It's just common sense in simple legal terms.

I'm out - hide ya kids!

Shymm3x:


You're just as vacuous as your mentality and like I told you the other day, you lack basic understanding of the English language. And I've to keep questioning if you ever passed through the four walls of a school. This is basically reminiscent of the way you tried woefully, perhaps due to illiteracy to suggest that, "suppression of press" is different from "no press freedom".

Let me give you a quick tutoring and leave ya hypocrisy aside for a moment. I don't care about the whole content of bill, the excerpt on this thread itself is self-explanatory and that's the bill. It clearly stated that any child sexually assaulted at any age under 11 will get life imprisonment. Thus making children over the age 11 adults and sexual assault against them would be treated the same way they treat sexual assault against adults - which means: they wouldn't get the same treatment kids under 11 get, if they are victims of sexual assault. Evidently, it means they would be viewed legally as adults.

If you don't understand legal terms, ask questions. The fact that age 11 was clearly stipulated in the bill, with punishment, is self-explanatory. And it shows what they deem as minor.

Yeah those two phrases are dissimilar. "No press freedom" will imply that there is absolute interference by the government on published materials, while "suppression of freedom of press" can happen in varying degrees. It could be that the government interferes with most media and published materials, or that some interference is established so that some materials are made public and some are not. I thought we bashed this to death on the last thread; however, if it is still bothering you, there is not a thing I can do, and I'll candidly advice that you move on.

GogobiriLalas:
A lot of Christians don't realize how insidious Islam really is; they're using the Democratic process to gradually impose Sharia law on the rest of the Country...this is the stealth jihad, the creeping sharia..and you idiots just voted a noted Islamist into power again lol mark my words, Nigeria will be Islamised if it still exists within 50yrs....

Ignorance is really a very terrible disease,to everyone who seem to believe that islam supports girl marriage,I am pleased to inform u that this is so TOTALLY WRONG.Islam asks that the female permission should be asked in every marriage,the bill was put forward by christian and none of u christians said anything to that,the bill didn't even legalize having sex at 11.and the next thing is for pple to start saying the muslims are behind it.maybe u should all go back and check the bill,and hold a dictionary to properly understand it

[quote author=Truckpusher post=34441356]Touch my underage daughter and I will make sure that I send you to 6ft below with no regret ,law or no law.




I guess this savage law was made for the North. Let them keep it to themselves[/quote

Look at this one

cococandy:
I'm asking you if you agree or not.
It's a question.

If you don't agree, why aren't all over the place lambasting the law makers like you would be doing if it happened in far away America that doesn't concern your country.

Jeeeez!

You called me to this thread.

I haven't even digested it yet,still reading through the link.

Also like I said previously, the title is misleading. The previous punishment for having carnal knowledge of an underage girl was 5yrs imprisonment. Just 5years! This is actually an improvement, an attempt to make the punishment more severe. It should be applauded. The only problem is I don't know why it wasn't extended to include ages 12 to 16. The topic should read:

Senate approves stricter punishment for carnal knowledge of girls below 12.

...and not the eye catching balderdash they wrote up there.

Just because I don't blindly worship the American way of life doesn't mean I don't see the wrongs of Nigeria too. Haba!

texanomaly:


So if the child is 12 they are not worth as much?

I guess not.
See Section 357 and 358 of the Criminal Code (Cap “C38”, Laws of the Federation, 2004)

And here:
Per Ngwuta J.S.C AT PAGE 12, Paras D-E said

“ I join my learned brother in expressing disappointment that the appellant was given a lenient term of five years in prison. I think that the severity of punishment for rape, with particular reference to statutory variety, should rank next to capital punishment"

So carnal knowledge of a minor 12-16yrs warrants a sentence of 5yrs(can sometimes be more depending on the circumstances but on average not severe enough).

I have no idea why 12-16 was not included in the life imprisonment bracket. Maybe due to certain... political factors....

Shymm3x:
Ibsgal

Okay, since it seems you keep having problems with basic English language and legal terms, I'll break it down for you in simpler terms, by asking you a few questions.

Based on bill: we know the punishment for sexual assault against anyone under age 11 is life imprisonment. What's the punishment for sexual assault against anyone from age 12-15 for example? Ditto age 18-50? Did the bill stipulate anything about these two age brackets and did it classify them into separate groups?

So, basically, since it never made any clear distinction about any age bracket apart from those under age 11 - it shows anyone over 11 is deemed LEGALLY as an adult, and the punishment for sexual assault against them would be the same across the board. While only those under 11 are deemed as minors. It's just common sense in simple legal terms.

I'm out - hide ya kids!

WTF, when and where did the bill specify who is a legal adult. Since you do not know, the country has another bill that states who is considered a legal adult and who isn't, and I'm sure that that bill still stands. Age of consent and age of legal adult are not the same thing, Mr. "I'm-so-versed-in-legal-terms". Once again, please do not maintain an opinion just for the sake of talking, but talk for the sake of expressing an opinion.

yang:
Hypocrisy is when u chant sai Buhai while supporting APC today and say tufiakwa tomorrow when he makes it legal to f*** your 11 year old daughter.

The bill was written and introduced by Senator Anyanwu of Imo state long before Buhari came into power, she is a member of the PDP. By the way, it doesn't change the legal age of consent at all. It only stipulates life imprisonment as punishment for having sexual intercourse with a child under 11.

11 years legal age to have sex? this would encourage promiscuity among the youth and with passage of such law, Nigeria is systematically practising sharia law indirectly.

Ibsgal:


Yeah those two phrases are dissimilar. "No press freedom" will imply that there is absolute interference by the government on published materials, while "suppression of freedom of press" can happen in varying degrees. It could be that the government interferes with most media and published materials, or that some interference is established so that some materials are made public and some are not. I thought we bashed this to death on the last thread; however, if it is still bothering you, there is not a thing I can do, and I'll candidly advice that you move on.

Lol, I shall take a few minutes off the NBA finals to re-educate you.

It seems you have a problem with comprehension, context, and semantics. When you say "suppression of press" and "no press freedom" in political terms, they're basically the same thing and interchangeable. However, after you got exposed for being vacuous and, regurgitating the nonsense from MSM, when I cited that if folks are allowed to critique openly like they're being allowed to do, that effectively means there's no suppression of press. That was when you came back with the ridiculous tosh about "varying degrees of press freedom".

You need to go back to the basics and learn basic English language, and stop throwing words you don't understand in any context.

all4naija:
For those who can visit the page, the file below is part of what the sexual offenses bill entails.

NB: This is not originally from the national congress website.

So fingering a minor is not rape? this is a very archaic definition of rape jeeez

From the International business times...

Nigeria’s Senate passed a bill Wednesday that approved life imprisonment for rapists and those who have sex with children under 11 years-old, a Nigerian newspaper reported. The legislation could help build a stronger law against sexual crimes in the West African country where scores of women and children are subject to rape and sexual violence.

The bill included various sentences and fines for other sexual offenses such as incest, child pornography, sexual tourism, gang rape, sexual harassment, prostitution of mentally disabled persons, lacing drinks with drugs with intent to sexually abuse and deliberately infecting someone with HIV and other diseases. The bill also mandated storing names of sex offenders in a database, Premium Times reported.

“Culprits would never be employed in any institution where they may pose a risk to unsuspecting persons. You can see that the penalties are weighty,” Sen. Chris Anyanwu, the bill’s sponsor, told the Nigerian newspaper Wednesday.

The bill also provides a witness protection program to safeguard victims and witnesses on trial for sexual crimes. The bill’s passage followed a report by Nigeria’s Committee on Judiciary, Human Rights and Legal Matters which called for stricter penalties for sexual offenders, the Premium Times reported.

Rape and underage sex is widespread across Nigeria, and the country has long lacked strict legislation to provide legal backing for prosecuting sexual offenders. In one case, a pastor in Edo state was sentenced to just five years in prison for raping and impregnating a 12-year-old girl in 2013. The western state recorded 96 rape cases between January 2012 and August 2014, but only nine convictions were secured, according to an investigation by Premium Times.

“As the law stands now, there are lots of loopholes for offenders to escape convictions,” Henry Idahagbon, the Attorney-General and Commissioner for Justice in Edo, told the newspaper last year.

The new Sex Offences Bill could change that. The bill is expected to pass in Nigeria’s House of Representatives on Wednesday and then will need President Muhammadu Buhari’s signature to become effective. However, similar legislation fell short after passing in the Senate last year, under former President Goodluck Jonathan’s watch.

Source: http://www.ibtimes.com/nigerian-senate-approves-life-imprisonment-child-rapists-1953232

Ibsgal:


WTF, when and where did the bill specify who is a legal adult. Since you do not know, the country has another bill that states who is considered a legal adult and who isn't, and I'm sure that that bill still stands. Age of consent and age of legal adult are not the same thing, Mr. "I'm-so-versed-in-legal-terms". Once again, please do not maintain an opinion just for the sake of talking, but talk for the sake of expressing an opinion.

Do you even know what context means?

Let me break it down for you in simple English:

In this bill - if you were to commit sexual assault against anyone under age 11, you will be charged for sexual assault against a minor. Hence age 11 was CLEARLY stipulated in the bill. However, if you were to commit sexual assault against anyone older than 11 - that's sexual assault against an adult.

Is that too difficult for you to understand? And can't you see the two age brackets in the bill - under 11 and others? Go back to elementary school!

5minsmadness:


Jeeeez!

You called me to this thread.

I haven't even digested it yet,still reading through the link.

Also like I said previously, the title is misleading. The previous punishment for having carnal knowledge of an underage girl was 5yrs imprisonment. Just 5years! This is actually an improvement, an attempt to make the punishment more severe. It should be applauded. The only problem is I don't know why it wasn't extended to include ages 12 to 16. The topic should read:

Senate approves stricter punishment for carnal knowledge of girls below 12.

...and not the eye catching balderdash they wrote up there.

Just because I don't blindly worship the American way of life doesn't mean I don't see the wrongs of Nigeria too. Haba!

@bold you do?

Now that's surprising. Ok

What is the matter with justfollowit?

noblezone:

Secular country indeed.

Nigeria is an Islamic country.
She is a member of the OIC (Organisation of Islamic Countries).

She has Sharia law enshrined i her constitution. For your information, it is a crime to sell or drink beer in Kano.
Buhari did express his desire to see Sharia Law spread across the 3 States.

The sooner you guys wake up to these realities, the better.
Their hope of Islamising everyone of us by hook or crook is one of reason they want "ONE" Nigeria.
When you add the oil from the Niger Delata, then "ONE" Nigeria is a do or die for them.

We are appealing to our people to rise up now.
Our ways of live are different. Why must we be in the same country?

Many people dow south are taking these threats with kid gloves.
May they not realize it when it is already late.

Bro, thanks for taking the pain and time to drop the pregnant lines above. Thank you!

The Nigerian Christians, especially those down South, are some of the most foolish, myopic, dumb and wicked set of Christians on the surface of the earth. Their entire vision doesn't go beyond their immediate comfort and environment.

Our brothers are maimed and killed up North, and it has never bothered us. Our fellow brothers and sisters are murdered for just being Christians, while we continue to delude ourselves into believing it shall never come to us. Epic delusion.

We're a people that delight pleasure from seeing one of ours being killed. The property gospel has further raised our levels of greed and selfishness. Shame on us!

We're quick to attack CAN! We derive pleasure to read our MOGs have made a mistake. We lampoon Oritsejafor. We call him names. We abuse him. We appreciate any news that diminishes the Body of Christ. We're a wicked group of people. Loveless, lazy and only focused on the moment.

Bro, don't expect them to take your words seriously. The folks are blinded to see the warnings of the future. The killings in Plateau and Benue are targeted killings; a part of the grand conspiracy. I only pity Ebonyi! Their romance with Islam will show them disaster in the future. Not today! By the time the madness starts, the children won't believe why their forefathers embraced these murderers.

Our Constitution is Islamic. You've already pointed that out. I wonder where the Southerners were when the current useless paper was drafted and passed. Maybe they were drinking and swimming at some grand hotels at Abuja. Myopic folks! Today, they've agreed to a paper that will forever enslave us if we don't do something serious.

I don't take Nigerian Christians seriously. They don't understand the signs of the time.

Nigeria is an Islamic nation. That's what the constitution says.

Anyone who underrates Islam at this time of history does so at their own peril.

He that has an ear, let him hear.

Nigeria is NOT a secular state. Wake up and live!!!!!

All this and more we were trying to avoid when we insisted that our people must not vote this man in.
Ah! I no fit talk.

dearpreye:


Bro, thanks for taking the pain and time to drop the pregnant lines above. Thank you!

The Nigerian Christians, especially those down South, are some of the most foolish, myopic, dumb and wicked set of Christians on the surface of the earth. Their entire vision doesn't go beyond their immediate comfort and environment.

Our brothers are maimed and killed up North, and it has never bothered us. Our fellow brothers and sisters are murdered for just being Christians, while we continue to delude ourselves into believing it shall never come to us. Epic delusion.

We're a people that delight pleasure from seeing one of ours being killed. The property gospel has further raised our levels of greed and selfishness. Shame on us!

We're quick to attack CAN! We derive pleasure to read our MOGs have made a mistake. We lampoon Oritsejafor. We call him names. We abuse him. We appreciate any news that diminishes the Body of Christ. We're a wicked group of people. Loveless, lazy and only focused on the moment.

Bro, don't expect them to take your words seriously. The folks are blinded to see the warnings of the future. The killings in Plateau and Benue are targeted killings; a part of the grand conspiracy. I only pity Ebonyi! Their romance with Islam will show them disaster in the future. Not today! By the time the madness starts, the children won't believe why their forefathers embraced these murderers.

Our Constitution is Islamic. You've already pointed that out. I wonder where the Southerners were when the current useless paper was drafted and passed. Maybe they were drinking and swimming at some grand hotels at Abuja. Myopic folks! Today, they've agreed to a paper that will forever enslave us if we don't do something serious.

I don't take Nigerian Christians seriously. They don't understand the signs of the time.

Nigeria is an Islamic nation. That's what the constitution says.

Anyone who underrates Islam at this time of history does so at their own peril.

He that has an ear, let him hear.

Nigeria is NOT a secular state. Wake up and live!!!!!

I realise the foolishness and stupidity of some my Igbo brothers recorded another height when the news got to me that Buhari won in my village in Imo state; a village in Orsu local govt.

I saw it coming hence my topic - IMO STATE :WHO WILL TELL OUR PEOPLE THE TRUTH.