SirShymexx:


Lmao.

Five percent nation has nothing to do with both Elijah Muhammad and Fard Muhammad. Heck, the doctrines of both NOI (the offspring of Elijah and Fard Muhammad) and five percent nation are completely different.

Clarence 13X, the founder of five percent nation, was a student of Malcolm X and he never agreed with NOI. Peep the difference.

Nonsense, the very teachings of the 5% comes right out of the Supreme Lessons book given to Elijah Muhammad by Master Fard Muhammad so Elijah said. This book is not available to the public. The Book of Supreme Wisdom, which Clarence 13x committed to memory, while he was a registered, active, member of the Fruit of Islam. Malcolm X was just the minister of the Harlem Mosque, the main mosque of New York, New York, USA, Malcolm X didn't reveal the teachings, Elijah Muhammad did. That same book, Supreme Wisdom, all FOI men get to read and have to commit to memory its contents. There's nothing special about the book or its teachings, its a lot of false history thought up by the Otto Empire agent Fard to give to Elijah Muhammad so he could start the Illuminati plan of Islam v.s Christianity, the coming rise of the Muslim Caliphate, Anti-Christ or Anti-thesis to Christ, that's how the Illuminati operate posing a problem then its solution. The same Otto Empire agency taught Noble Dru Ali, Egypt hasn't been ruled by Nubians/Africans in centuries. So when Noble Dru Ali, from North Carolina, arrived in Cairo, only Arabs and Freemasonry of Scottish Rite of the Eastern Stars were operating there. They simply feed him some brainwashed teachings to give to African Americans unbeknownst, who are desperately looking for Ancient Africa, and a counter to the White Supremacy that Africa was a jungle full of savages.

Even continental Africans I've learned are ignorant of African history, only possessing their tribal knowledge and genealogical histories of their tribe. But real African history is possessed by a few, the great mystery system, metaphysic knowledge is well hidden, awaiting the day of the Black awakening I'm sure.

You only wish you knew more than me. Feel blessed I'm here to teach you this. Love, Sango.

KingSango:


Nonsense, the very teachings of the 5% comes right of the Supreme Lessons book given to Elijah Muhammad by Master Fard Muhammad so Elijah said. This book is not available to the public. The Book of Supreme Wisdom, which Clarence 13x committed to memory, while he was a registered, active, member of the Fruit of Islam. Malcolm X was just the minister of the Harlem Mosque, the main mosque of New York, New York, USA, Malcolm X didn't reveal the teachings, Elijah Muhammad did. That same book, Supreme Wisdom, all FOI men get to read and have to commit to memory its contents. There's nothing special about the book or its teachings, its a lot of false history thought up by the Otto Empire agent Fard to give to Elijah Muhammad so he could start the Illuminati plan of Islam v.s Christianity, the coming rise of the Muslim Caliphate, Anti-Christ or Anti-thesis to Christ, that's how the Illuminati operate posing a problem then its solution. The same Otto Empire agency taught Noble Dru Ali, Egypt has been ruled by Nubians/Africans in centuries. So when Noble Dru Ali, from North Carolina, arrived in Cairo, only Arabs and Freemasonry of Scottish Rite of the Eastern Stars were operating there. They simply feed him some brainwashed teachings to give to African Americans unbeknownst, who are desperately looking for Ancient Africa, and a counter to the White Supremacy that Africa was a jungle full of savages.

Even continental Africans I've learned are ignorant of African history, only possessing their tribal knowledge and genealogical histories of their tribe. But real African history is possessed by a few, the great mystery system, metaphysic knowledge is well hidden, awaiting the day of the Black awakening I'm sure.

You only wish you knew more than me. Feel blessed I'm here to teach you this. Love, Sango.

Lol.

However, how come according to the NOI doctrine, Fard Muhammad is Allah - while Five Percent Nation according to the supreme mathematics of Clarence 13X, the black man is God personified (in his own flesh) on earth, but he acknowledged that there's a supreme being?

KingSango

Err, in as much as I'm neither a follower of NOI, or Five Percent Nation (I just know a lot about the 5%ers cos I'm a hip-hop head, and you won't be able to demystify a lot of the lyrics, especially New York rappers, if you don't know the five percent nation's supreme mathematics) - I honestly don't think you should call whatever they do mumbo jumbo.

Christianity and Islam are also mumbo jumbo to a lot of folks who understand the origins of both religions. So it's better to always respect people's belief system(s).

HFOG:

All or some of it. Do you believe in Jesus too?

all of it. and yes i believe in Jesus.

sukkot:
all of it. and yes i believe in Jesus.

Stealing you away from here ie if you do not mind. So we stop derailing.

HFOG:

Stealing you away from here ie if you do not mind. So we stop derailing.

derailing ? i started the thread lol

sukkot:
derailing ? i started the thread lol

I know you did. Just thought we've digressed from the subject.

HFOG:

I know you did. Just thought we've digressed from the subject.

oh no, we meander with the discussions here meaning it can be swung in any direction.

sukkot:
oh no, we meander with the discussions here meaning it can be swung in any direction.

Okay sir. Do I take that to mean you prefer we have this talk here?

HFOG:

Okay sir. Do I take that to mean you prefer we have this talk here?

sure why not ? and with regards to your question, prophesies is about telling the future. the bible is a book of prophesy. prophesy means to ' tell before it happens '. the testimony of jesus in your life is not how much cars or wealth you own. that is mans corruption of what the testimony of jesus in your life is. the testimony that Jesus is in your life is measured by your ability to tell the future. if you cant see and tell the future then jesus may not be in your life

revelation 19 vs 10 the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

so if you dont have the ability to see the future, then you MAY have a problem

Hi sukkot, trust you are having a great weekend.

sonOfLucifer:
Hi sukkot, trust you are having a great weekend.

i sure am chief. i trust your weekend is fine also.

sukkot:
sure why not ? and with regards to your question, prophesies is about telling the future. the bible is a book of prophesy. prophesy means to ' tell before it happens '. the testimony of jesus in your life is not how much cars or wealth you own. that is mans corruption of what the testimony of jesus in your life is. the testimony that Jesus is in your life is measured by your ability to tell the future. if you cant see and tell the future then jesus may not be in your life

revelation 19 vs 10 the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

so if you dont have the ability to see the future, then you MAY have a problem

I suppose that should be another day's talk. I'm not of the opinion that prophecing is the proof of belonging to Jesus. That aside, what's that symbol on your dp?

KingSango:


The White man is not god. When Alexander arrived in Egypt, after conquest of Lower Egypt, Upper Egypt remained free and ruled over by Black/Nubians, He asked the Priest there to make a sculpture of his likeness. The priests refused Alexander's requests, on the grounds that he was not a god but a mere conqueror, a ruthless barbarian who slaughtered and killed, thus not worthy of being casted in sculpture. The understanding of this is that Gods are human beings, who made huge impact on human life and evolution, they were morally just and spiritually evolved. Thus is why the Elders defied Alaafin Sango upon his death. You can't be a god and be cruel, evil and unjust.

If you think the White man is god because he is your idol. Being that most Africans who practice Christianity and Islam, which was forced upon their ancestors, they now give their metaphysical energy to European deities when they pray, thus empowering the European metaphysical ideas of the world. Very little people are aware of the power that each and every one of them possess. When you pray you give your power to what you pray to and energetically feed that object or spirit. This is why the White man was so smart to force his religion upon others everywhere he went. This is not by mistake or just done just to be brutal but the Whiteman knows a little something about metaphysical laws. He also understands group rituals and have collective ashe can be focused into a powerful form. This is primarily the reason I tell Africans to return to their traditions and own deities of worship.

The 5% are just some knuckleheads who took literally the mumble jumble teachings of Elijah Muhammad given to him by the Otto Empire agent Master Fard Muhammad. The Otto Empire is the Eastern political center of the Roman Empire, which created Islam, Christianity and Scottish Rite Freemasonry, they needed a movement amongst the lost and cultureless African Americans, this is why the Nation Of Islam flag strikingly resembles the flag of Turkey. You are hearing this from me first but I got this information from Dr. York, who I'm not a follower of him, but he was very brilliant in establishing a research team, which uncovered some well hidden facts.

But the 5% Nation is taken literally from the Supreme Wisdom given by Master Fard Muhammad to Elijah Muhammad. There is a 5%, 10%, and an 85%, which the Black Nation is divided into these fractions spiritually. Literally when are in a spiritual war, which started in Africa thousands of years ago, when a Black man became evil and turned against the Black Nation. This is similar to what the Kemets called the story of Osiris/Asar/Obatala who was King but betrayed by his brother Set/another Blackman, who wanted to be king. So Set/Evil Blackman along with some other evil Blackmen and women betrays Osiris, kills him and Set assumes the throne. ISIS/Aset/Yemaya reassembles the body of Osiris and with a wooden phallus impregnates herself and gives birth to Horus/Heru/Sango. Thus Heru sets out to avenge his father and reclaim the throne. Thousands of years of wars ensues, a terrible war; IFA calls this war, "Ejigobe v.s Olfun. Eventually Heru defeats Set with the Sun disk aka heat, fire, etc. The world of Set is destroyed by fire.

The IChing explains it like this, all over the world inferior men suppress superior men. That means morally inferior men and women dominate the world and keep the world unevolved spiritually never reaching the great state or perfect world, world of light, experienced by our remote ancestors. This can be explained in that morality and intelligence are the same thing. Meaning that which I do to you, I ultimately do to myself, so it is ignorant to offend you knowing this offense will eventually reach back to me. The modern human race is stuck in a cycle of death, confusion and ignorance because they have strayed from Maat. The Whiteman is the weakest of the human tribes, he rules it because the Black tribes fight each other, Mobutus in the world kill the Lumumba's. Weak African leaders rule the nations why the strong ones are oppressed, jailed or killed. The same thing goes in Diaspora, where all the strong Africans who tried to liberate us and take us to a higher level where envied, opposed and killed by weaker ones. The Whiteman is smart, he knows his nature is weak morally, that a curse is upon his tribe for the sins of his Black ancestors long ago, so the Whiteman unites with the evil and sociopathic Blackmen, who are inferior, to assist him in ruling the world. The inferior, sociopathic Blackmen and women use the weak and aggressive White tribe to kill their counterpart the superior Blackmen and women. This is what is happening but whether you understand is another thing. Love, Sango.


The Rise of Sango.
https://www.nairaland.com/2389040/sango-alaafin-africa-king-kings#34901971

bros i will get to this post when i am ready. i just woke up and i aint into heavy lifting yet. from the volume of it it looks like it will require effort to address all the points made. so i aint ignoring it just so you know

HFOG:

I suppose that should be another day's talk. I'm not of the opinion that prophecing is the proof of belonging to Jesus. That aside, what's that symbol on your dp?

. you dont believe in the bible. the bible tells you that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy but you say you dont believe that ? are you sure you are not a pagan ?

revelation 19 vs 10 the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

whats on my dp ? its symbolism >>> jeremiah 51 vs 20 Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms;

HFOG:

I suppose that should be another day's talk. I'm not of the opinion that prophecing is the proof of belonging to Jesus. That aside, what's that symbol on your dp?

and with regards to the astronomy and stuff, its all biblical

genesis 1 vs 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

psalms 19 vs 1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

wisdom of solomon 7 17 For he hath given me certain knowledge of the things that are, namely, to know how the world was made, and the operation of the elements:The beginning, ending, and midst of the times: the alterations of the turning of the sun, and the change of seasons: The circuits of years, and the positions of stars:

sukkot:
. you dont believe in the bible. the bible tells you that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy but you say you dont believe that ? are you sure you are not a pagan ?

revelation 19 vs 10 the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

whats on my dp ? its symbolism >>> jeremiah 51 vs 20 Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms;

I'm not a pagan and I do believe in the Bible. I'm wary of arguements for several reasons. Quoting a Scripture in isolation doesn't establish anything. We use scriptures to interpret scriptures please. I like to focus on the most important thing. One's inability to prophesy or interpret prophecy wouldn't result in eternal death and isn't equivalent to not being born again..

HFOG:


I'm not a pagan and I do believe in the Bible. I'm wary of arguements for several reasons. Quoting a Scripture in isolation doesn't establish anything. We use scriptures to interpret scriptures please. I like to focus on the most important thing. One's inability to prophesy or interpret prophecy wouldn't result in eternal death and isn't equivalent to not being born again..

well you do know the bible is not meant to be read like a story book right ? you have to link precepts upon precepts. so let me buttress my point with another precept

jeremiah 28 vs 8 The prophets that have been before me and before thee of old prophesied both against many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.

so as you can see ? its all about the prophesy. so what i am doing here is not ground breaking. it is what is required

sukkot:
well you do know the bible is not meant to be read like a story book right ? you have to link precepts upon precepts. so let me buttress my point with another precept

jeremiah 28 vs 8 The prophets that have been before me and before thee of old prophesied both against many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.

so as you can see ? its all about the prophesy. so what i am doing here is not ground breaking. it is what is required

There is a place for prophecy in the Bible which I'm not disputing. All I'm saying is that prophecy is not the ultimate mark of a child of God. Moreover Biblical prophecy isn't about studying secular books, writings and theories to put one and two together. Prophecy is a gift of the Spirit that reveals details about the future of a person or place accurately. Not every child of God is a prophet I hope you know that. So tying our salvation to out ability to prophesy is erroneous teaching.

sukkot:


so as you can see ? its all about the prophesy. so what i am doing here is not ground breaking. it is what is required

What exactly is prophecy a requirement for? Is it to see God? Or to be forgiven? Or to live a holy life? Or to bring others to Jesus? I didn't get you please

HFOG:

What exactly is prophecy a requirement for? Is it to see God? Or to be forgiven? Or to live a holy life? Or to bring others to Jesus? I didn't get you please

well it is a body of christ with different functioning parts. whatever gifts you are given will be what you will use to keep the body functioning. point being making prophesies about the future is not demonic as you said earlier but is a huge requirement. prophets warn the people of events that are to come. it is a great gift to have

2 Peter 1:20-21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

HFOG:

There is a place for prophecy in the Bible which I'm not disputing. All I'm saying is that prophecy is not the ultimate mark of a child of God. Moreover Biblical prophecy isn't about studying secular books, writings and theories to put one and two together. Prophecy is a gift of the Spirit that reveals details about the future of a person or place accurately. Not every child of God is a prophet I hope you know that. So tying our salvation to out ability to prophesy is erroneous teaching.

you are very wrong. the bible is just a gateway to all the treasures of knowledge that God has hidden everywhere. if you think God is confined to the bible alone you are sorely mistaken. now it is not given for everyone to go beyond the bible. for 99 percent of the population the bible is all they need because as scripture says, reading many books is a weariness to the flesh ( ecclesiastes 12 vs 12

however there is a select few whom some call the ' star seeds '. now it is given to those star seeds to go beyond the bible because like i told you earlier ? the knowledge wisdom and understanding from God is not confined to the bible.

john 21 vs 25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. <<< SO AS YOU CAN SEE ? THE BIBLE IS JUST A GATEWAY FOR THE STAR SEEDS. BUT FOR THE MAJORITY ? THE BIBLE IS ALL THAT IS REQUIRED

sukkot:
well it is a body of christ with different functioning parts. whatever gifts you are given will be what you will use to keep the body functioning. point being making prophesies about the future is not demonic as you said earlier but is a huge requirement. prophets warn the people of events that are to come. it is a great gift to have

Alright sir. In the Scriptures we see that prophecy can be by the Spirit of God or by evil spirits aka fortune tellers. Saul, the first King of Israel consulted a witch to predict the future. Again a lady possessed of devils followed Paul the Apostle in Acts on one of his missionary trips till he cast out the spirit of divination from her. My point here is that knowing or predicting the future isn't as important as confirming the spirit behind that prediction. For prophets of God they prophesy by the inspiration of the Spirit not by the theories and predictions of secular men

sukkot:
you are very wrong. the bible is just a gateway to all the treasures of knowledge that God has hidden everywhere. if you think God is confined to the bible alone you are sorely mistaken. now it is not given for everyone to go beyond the bible. for 99 percent of the population the bible is all they need because as scripture says, reading many books is a weariness to the flesh ( ecclesiastes 12 vs 12

however there is a select few whom some call the ' star seeds '. now it is given to those star seeds to go beyond the bible because like i told you earlier ? the knowledge wisdom and understanding from God is not confined to the bible.

john 21 vs 25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. <<< SO AS YOU CAN SEE ? THE BIBLE IS JUST A GATEWAY FOR THE STAR SEEDS. BUT FOR THE MAJORITY ? THE BIBLE IS ALL THAT IS REQUIRED

okay. I think this sums up everything. I'm only interested in the Bible.

HFOG:

Alright sir. In the Scriptures we see that prophecy can be by the Spirit of God or by evil spirits aka fortune tellers. Saul, the first King of Israel consulted a witch to predict the future. Again a lady possessed of devils followed Paul the Apostle in Acts on one of his missionary trips till he cast out the spirit of divination from her. My point here is that knowing or predicting the future isn't as important as confirming the spirit behind that prediction. For prophets of God they prophesy by the inspiration of the Spirit not by the theories and predictions of secular men

again you are speaking with your heart and not with your head. God does not appear to people and tell them what is about to happen . yeah you may have the occasional dreams from God, but as a prophet you cant be sitting down and praying that a dream comes. the work of a prophet is on-going so you are not waiting on dreams. the celestial tools are there for those gifted with the spirit of prophesy. and there is no such thing as the theories of secular men. all knowledge belongs to God. the three wise men used the stars for prophesy.


wisdom of solomon 17 For he hath given me certain knowledge of the things that are, namely, to know how the world was made, and the operation of the elements:The beginning, ending, and midst of the times: the alterations of the turning of the sun, and the change of seasons:The circuits of years, and the positions of stars: << SO ' KING SOLOMON ' THE WISEST MAN THAT EVER LIVED, HIS WISDOM WAS BASED ON READING THE POSITION AND ALIGNMENT OF THE STARS AND THE SUN

HFOG:

okay. I think this sums up everything. I'm only interested in the Bible.

as you should be.

SirShymexx:
KingSango

Err, in as much as I'm neither a follower of NOI, or Five Percent Nation (I just know a lot about the 5%ers cos I'm a hip-hop head, and you won't be able to demystify a lot of the lyrics, especially New York rappers, if you don't know the five percent nation's supreme mathematics) - I honestly don't think you should call whatever they do mumbo jumbo.

Christianity and Islam are also mumbo jumbo to a lot of folks who understand the origins of both religions. So it's better to always respect people's belief system(s).

How does what the 5% teach their followers equate to an established African belief that has hundreds of years of development? Such as IFA and Vodou, these are established systems, with priestess, priestesses, temples, chiefs, Kings, Queens, laws, medicine systems, language, their own holy scriptures, ceremonies and on and on. Clarence 13x took only some of what Elijah Muhammad taught, which in itself was a bunch of loosely organization brainwashing, given to him by Fard, taking only the small book of the Supreme Wisdom, which contained 40 questions and answers. Clarence 13x had a very good memory, but not uncommon in Africa, as IFA is memorized not only in words but in pitch, then Clarence was assassinated shortly after starting the 5% group. Clarence left the NOI in 1963 and was killed in 1969. That's only a few years of his developing his new faith, Elders in IFA study from age 5, they have to study for years before they are declared a true Babaloawo.

Here is Wikipedia:

Clarence Edward Smith[1] (February 22, 1928 – June 13, 1969), better known by his assumed names Clarence 13X[a] and Allah,[b] was an American religious leader who founded the Five-Percent Nation, a group that split from the Nation of Islam (NOI). He was born in Virginia, and moved to New York City as a young man before serving in the United States Army during the Korean War. After returning to New York, he learned that his wife had joined the NOI and followed her, taking the name Clarence 13X. He served in the group as a security officer, martial arts instructor, and student minister before leaving for an unclear reason in 1963. He enjoyed gambling, which was condemned by the NOI, and disagreed with the NOI's teachings that Wallace Fard Muhammad was a divine messenger.

[b]After leaving the NOI, Clarence 13X formed a new group with other former members. He concluded that all black men were divine and took the name Allah to symbolize this status. He rejected the belief in an invisible God, teaching that God could be found within each black man. In his view, women were "earths" that complemented and nurtured men; he believed that they should be submissive to men. He and a few assistants retained some NOI teachings and pioneered novel interpretations of them. They devised teachings about the meaning of letters and numerals: understanding the meaning of each letter and number was said to provide deep truths about God and the universe. Clarence 13X referred to his new movement as the Five Percenters, referencing a NOI teaching that only five percent of the population knew and promoted the truth about God. One way that he distinguished his group from his previous faith was by rejecting dress codes or strict behavioral guidelines—he allowed the consumption of alcohol, and at times, the use of illegal drugs.

Clarence 13X was shot by an unknown assailant in 1964 but survived the attack. After an incident several months later in which he and several of his followers vandalized stores and fought with police, he was arrested and placed in psychiatric care. He was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. He referred to himself as "Allah", which had become his preferred name. He was released from custody after a 1966 ruling by the Supreme Court placed limits on confinement without trial. Although he initially taught his followers to hate white people, he eventually began to cooperate with white city leaders. They gave him funding for a night school, and in return, he tried to prevent violence in Harlem. Clarence 13X was fatally shot in June 1969; the identity of his killer is unknown. The mayor of New York City and several other prominent leaders expressed condolences to his followers. Although the Five Percenters faltered in the immediate aftermath of his death, the movement rebounded after new leadership emerged. The group took a non-hierarchical approach to leadership, and no single leader replaced Clarence 13X. He has been held in high regard by Five Percenters, who celebrate his birthday as a holiday.[/b][i][/i]

I believe anyone can start whatever religion they feel they need or want. I'm all for freedom. And this seems to be the pattern in Africa, many people have long ago formed their own tribes and their own religions. What I mean by knuckleheads is that the 5% have been involved in many illegal and immoral practices, not living up to the notion of being called a God. Besides this divisiveness, which Clarence 13X started, is apparent with NOI splinter groups and appears to be the work of counter-intelligence agents. I'm not saying the NOI is some pure religion that shouldn't be divided, only that this constant dividing isn't based on any migrating factors or evolved differences. That lack of development in some of the splinter groups shows me that they are nothing more than ego contestants, which is typical of Black people. The further we stray away from traditional Africa, by inventing new delusions that have been planted by our enemies, the harder it becomes to unite us back into the fold of empire structure. The 5% is symbolism and nothing more. But symbolism should be shared by a wider group, symbolism is belief, and IFA is a shared belief by millions of Africans worldwide, even Vodu has IFA beliefs which connect them to the empire of Oyo.

sukkot:
bros i will get to this post when i am ready. i just woke up and i aint into heavy lifting yet. from the volume of it it looks like it will require effort to address all the points made. so i aint ignoring it just so you know

Its light weight to me. Anytime. Love, Sango.

KingSango:


The White man is not god. When Alexander arrived in Egypt, after conquest of Lower Egypt, Upper Egypt remained free and ruled over by Black/Nubians, He asked the Priest there to make a sculpture of his likeness. The priests refused Alexander's requests, on the grounds that he was not a god but a mere conqueror, a ruthless barbarian who slaughtered and killed, thus not worthy of being casted in sculpture. The understanding of this is that Gods are human beings, who made huge impact on human life and evolution, they were morally just and spiritually evolved. Thus is why the Elders defied Alaafin Sango upon his death. You can't be a god and be cruel, evil and unjust.

[b]okay it seems you think I am saying the white man is superior. thats not what I am saying. you need to understand what words mean. like when people say God. Thats not his name. God just means ' power '. same with god with a small ' g '. so i think your argument is based on semantics. who has all the power on the earth right now ? who can drop a few bombs on nigeria and send us into the stone ages ? who has the power to destroy world leaders like ghaddafi and sadam ? who is controlling the world ? if you can answer that question sincerely, that person who does all those is the one with all the power on earth. that is the god of the earth. and its the white man. do you know that the currency of all the french african countries is printed and regulated by france ? do you know when an african leader bin gbagbo failed to vacate the office, french soldiers swooped in on a sovereign country and arrested him ? WHO GOT ALL THE POWER ? who is the god over all the earth ? the white man. even the bible tells you that. but his reign on top is not infinite. it is finite. and it has an end. this is not about morality. this is about power. [/b]

sukkot:
[b]okay it seems you think I am saying the white man is superior. thats not what I am saying. you need to understand what words mean. like when people say God. Thats not his name. God just means ' power '. same with god with a small ' g '. so i think your argument is based on semantics. who has all the power on the earth right now ? who can drop a few bombs on nigeria and send us into the stone ages ? who has the power to destroy world leaders like ghaddafi and sadam ? who is controlling the world ? if you can answer that question sincerely, that person who does all those is the one with all the power on earth. that is the god of the earth. and its the white man. do you know that the currency of all the french african countries is printed and regulated by france ? do you know when an african leader bin gbagbo failed to vacate the office, french soldiers swooped in on a sovereign country and arrested him ? WHO GOT ALL THE POWER ? who is the god over all the earth ? the white man. even the bible tells you that. but his reign on top is not infinite. it is finite. and it has an end. this is not about morality. this is about power. [/b]

No, I am not debating semantics, wordplay or anything minor like that. I am not misunderstanding you nor am I confused about what your concepts are saying. Imhotep was a god, Sango was a god, any human being who is a manifestation of the Divine. Spirit possession is a very real, people do become possessed by spirits. The Orisha possess people during rituals, it happens quite a lot. Some human beings are so much like the Orisha it is said that the Orisha totally has taken over that person's body and that person is no longer that person but the Orisha. This is what Sango experienced when he was Alaafin of Oyo, over 600 years ago. Orunmila was a real earthly man once, so were all of the Orishas. Spirit possession is the true meaning of human beings being called God. That is a spirit of God, the Creator, has taken over the person's body. Human beings also get possessed by demons. That is what is powering the White man, the white man ruling this world is a demon, not God.

You need to do more research about spirituality before you start mixing that in with Astrology. The Spirit world is real as the physical world and spirits are here on Earth with us in another dimension. Spirits see and hear us and can interact with us. There are many different levels of the spirit world. I've told you before that true Astrology comes from Necromancy that is communication with the dead. That is primarily what IFA and Vodoo readings are actually about. Priests and Priestesses communicate with Spirits who move the bones, cowrie shells, or whatever spiritually charged objects, into the patterns that are interpreted by the Priest or Priestess. Nostradamus practiced Necromancy and that is how he was so accurate, because the spirits, who travel outside of time, could see the future and convey it to Nostradamus. This is real time travel, my dear brother. You disrespect Juju by belittling it, when you have obviously never experienced in real juju. Watch a little bit and learn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czh2YntqN6U

The Whitemen ruling this world, the Illuminati, in the Freemasonry, worship Lucifer, the Fallen Angel. The Fallen Angel implies that Lucifer was once an angel of light who turned to the dark side. This isn't not true. Angels are fixed and Demons are fixed. Only human beings have a choice between being good or bad. The life of a human being is transmutable, the life of an angel or demon is fixed. Once Olodumare creates a force to be good it stays good, and if He creates it to be bad it stays bad. Death doesn't ever become life, Iku, is always death. So therefore Lucifer could not have ever been an angel because angels are good, they don't turn bad. What the Whiteman Illuminati serves is a demon, which they have feed for thousands of years the blood of innocents, babies, prophets, good persons, masses of people, etc. They practice sacrifice, sodomy sex rituals, depravation, and all manner of abominations in the Illuminati. This is done to please the demons. Orishas and Angels are only pleased with good, they will not come to your aid if you are bad.

Esu is the custodian of all the ashe in the universe, it can be said that Esu is Ashe but our ancestors were much wiser. Our ancestors taught us that Esu is an Orisha who is sometimes mischievous, a trickster. But actually Esu has no personality and is a neutral force until acted upon or based upon request. Esu rules over all ashe so must be appeased first, meaning all Orishas, Angels, and Demons must get their ashe from Esu to operate. Even death has ashe and when death comes it travels with ashe. Esu in his path of Elegba is the master of all demons. So all witches and wizards must call upon the gatekeeper to open the way for them. Esu owns all roads, all lines of communication and travel in the cosmos. No energy can travel without Esu's permission. Esu is everywhere at all times because everything is made of ashe. Esu sees and hears everything and even knows all the secrets of the mighty Obatala. Esu is the most powerful of the Orishas all except for Orunmila, who is the wisdom of Olodumare, God's powerful wisdom knows everything, all cures and all poisons. Esu and Orunmila are best friends. Orunmila is the Alaafin of the cosmos, he is second only to God. We must seek knowledge to solve any problem and all problems have a solution so you must seek God's wisdom, Orunmila. Our ancestors were extremely wise who set up this system.

The system of IFA came from ancient Kemet but is watered down somewhat. Many of the secrets are IFA are withheld by the Elders. Sorcery is much more powerful than Technology, although technology does seem to rival. The Whiteman got a hold of some of the spells of the Pyramid text. He used some of the hidden knowledge to gain awesome power but his power lies not in technology but witchcraft combined with technology. The Africans once had this too, sorcery combined with technology, this is how the Great Pyramid was constructed. The issue with Africans being conquered by the Europeans is the war that exists amongst them. This war is a spiritual one and that's why Black people fight each other all over the world. There are some evil Black people but Blacks are too proud to admit there is some sociopathic element in their nature. The Whiteman understands that there is, because he comes from that sociopathic element, so he uses the evil Blacks to keep the majority and the good Blacks oppressed. Blacks who try to do good or have good ideas are targeted by the Whiteman, that's why after African nations gained their independence, there were assassination of Black Leaders, all were replaced by sociopathic Black leaders, who robbed their countries and kept the people dire. The same phenomenon plays out in America as well, every Black leader, who tried to get the majority of Blacks to develop, they were targeted by the White man and evil Blacks who joined in to assassinate them. In ancient times, this phenomenon happened with a twist, many Africans raised up barbarian armies, Whites and Arabs, to come against their own nations because they wanted to be king over the rightful heir. This is type of story gets played out in Egyptian myths over and over again. The story of Set and other conspirators killing Osiris and taking over the Kingdom. The Old Kingdom got invaded by the Hyksos, they were not Europeans but other Africans, but the whole invasion was possible because of treacherous within the Old Kingdom dynasty. The point is that Africans have some soul searching to do. The whole human race has some soul searching to do. We are living in a filthy world, as the Pope just said, where the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. The world is in a mess and its due to abominations, greed and fear. I say we need to return to Maat, start building a world of light, the forces are evil are already against us, so we just have to keep building and fight when necessary.

Love, Sango.

sukkot:
let me also add from that picture the return of the ancient gods aka what some like to call nibiru aka the saints aka the prophets of old, and because of this a tenth planet to commemorate this return will be added to our solar system called planet X.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy1I-eWF2N8

PLANET NIBIRU DISCOVERED BY NASA TODAY. SUKKOT PROPHESY COMING TRUE