Henry120:


Why are you avoiding my question?


Tell me the name of the Black South-African(s) who worked on the Hyena or Hippo MRAP?

Dude! Why is it always Black and White with you guys?South Africans worked on the Hyena, Hippo, Buffel, Casspir,Mamba ect ect ect.?

You dont see the rest of the world claiming that the likes of Carl Lewis,Michael Johnson, Justin Gatlin,Tyson Gay,Maurice Greene ect ect are not American because they are black? and thus all their medals dont count anymore!

Henry120:


Eventually pilots might get used to them, but for how long, how about response, reaction and a pilot under duress?

SAAB Gripen NG,

F-35,

SU-35, all cockpits in that sequence, which do you prefer, which is more user friendly?

Interesting talk you and him are having about cockpits.

Saudi Arabian pilots who 4th Gen F-15 and Tornado, are struggling with Euro Typhoon complicated avionics. Thus, the Saudi authorities decided to evaluate JF-17 Thunder which is easier to fly as a 4th Gen avionics platform
.

RudzSA:
u a proud 1diot ...u show me a Nigerian blog form 2013 ..I showed u the current standings 2015 .wat makes u think a South African wil believ anything Nigeria says ..u guys r a 4th world country

By 2013 Nigeria had 20 billionaires. By 2015 , Nigeria has 23 billionaires while South Africa has only added 1 to its 7.

The fact remains the fact even if you don't believe it. Your tears can't change it.

ddami:
different presidents had something to say about Nig... lezz isn't even telling u d rest.....

Anything lezz types you must have read from him more than 10× but you still keep REACTING like you are hearing it for the first time.. You guyz twist the same things over and over again and all you're left with is a tangled issue and ego....he has been pulling your legs successfully..Whatever anybody says about Nigeria Can Not change anything about Nigeria... so why are you disturbing yourself like this....

lolz, I have a special talent for hauling scathing vitriol at these South Africans they simply can't ignore, no matter how often I say it.

They aren't used to being told the truth, albeit harshly.

lezz:
lolz, I have a special talent for hauling scathing vitriol at these South Africans they simply can't ignore, no matter how often I say it.

They aren't used to being told the truth, albeit harshly.

lezz its okay just leave them you guys might still meet on another thread but you need to let this thread rest in peace.. nobody will even want to read a thread of 2000p . its already d longest on NL, its time you have friends and not co-debaters.... you have had enough beer to drink, now don't get drunk....
Y is it that you mostly appear @ night nowadays...

mzilakazi:


KOFI ANAN is Nigeria's demi god and whatever he comments about Nigeria shall come to pass according to you, Lezz.

koffi Annan, ISS, CNN, ISS, BBC, French Government, Egyptian government, Jacob Zuma, East and central African Union ....all have made similar assertions and declarations.

Your Opinion is only an emotional reaction.

MduZA:


owk,no disappointed though...once again congratulations are in order,surely street vendors like lezz are curious

A street vendor is several steps above a Zulu. A street vendor has something no Zulu has: dignity in humanity and labour.

RudzSA:
u gud at dumb ..I said no1 tourist destination ..u go on about Zulus not migrating . Serena thing ...? No 1 in S.A wants to claim her ...she was here nd no 1 cared. U talk of isolation in Africa wen our companies stil dominate Africa ..so yo isolation affects nothing ..south Africans ddnt no much about Africa or even cared ..u shud thank the current "Zulu" government for trying to get us interested in Africa ..as shud be

You're not even posing a challenge to me. First, you've got to learn to write properly and not scribbling like a teenager in Facebook.

Then get your facts right. South Africa isn't the most visited country in Africa. It is actually Morocco.

The rest of your other gibberish is incomprehensible.

ddami:
lezz you have had enough leisure there are already 2000pages of words of military wisdom and you will always get good diction from evarn on another thread... ... . the thread was supposed to be About Africa but it ends up being about Nig - s.a... please give up on this thread and don't end up being xenophobic.. I am Hoping you stop with the comparisons and let them know that you actually like them 'cos I know they don't like you....

Ask Zulu and co why is it only south Africa that are here? Insecure morons. I love south Africans. Are you happy now?

mzilakazi:



I don't see South Africans or Americans as black and white all that I see is South Africans and Americans. Thank you.

I don't think African-Americans are 90% of the American population. So quit dribbling around and,

Tell me the name of the Black South-African(s) who worked on the Hyena or Hippo MRAP?

jln115:

Dude! Why is it always Black and White with you guys?South Africans worked on the Hyena, Hippo, Buffel, Casspir,Mamba ect ect ect.?

You dont see the rest of the world claiming that the likes Carl Lewis,Michael Johnson, Justin Gatlin,Tyson Gay,Maurice Greene ect ect are not American because they are black? and thus all their medals dont count anymore!

It isn't always black and white with us, we just want to know what MRAPs Black South-Africans built originally? It's a simple question really.


I don't think this is the sports section either.

lezz:
Ask Zulu and co why is it only south Africa that are here? Insecure morons. I love south Africans. Are you happy now?

I have been trying to talk to them since morning... but I doubt if you will give up on this thread... . 'cos I know if you continue to quote them they will keep replying you and it keeps going On and on and on.

Worst Scenario --- with the same thing..

jln115:

Obviously i cant tell you out of personal experience, but what I've read and some of the SAAF pilots I've talked to,they all state that the Gripen C/D is very user friendly,and i dont expect anything different regarding the Gripen E/F, so to answer your question: yes i think the Gripen E/D cockpit is as user friendly as the Su35.

I don't think this is the case. The Gripen E/F cockpit seems to have a whole lot of things going on in there.

I think the SU-35 and F-35 cockpits are way more user friendly than the Gripen E/F. Even with the F-35, pilots are already complaining that the Helmet is too large.

Henry120:


I don't think this is the case. The Gripen E/F cockpit seems to have a whole lot of things going on in there.

I think the SU-35 and F-35 cockpits are way more user friendly than the Gripen E/F. Even with the F-35, pilots are already complaining that the Helmet is too large.

We can speculate all we want, the fact is until these fighters are fully operational, we just wont know how user friendly these cockpits are!

I got banned for posting this link. I hope I don't get banned again

http://www.asian-defence.net/2011/06/pakistani-f-16s-shoot-down-raf.html?m=1

jln115:

We can speculate all we want, the fact is until these fighters are fully operational, we just wont know how user friendly these cockpits are!

The link I posted in response to Agaugust illustrates my point. Pakistani F-16s, not Block-52s shooting down RAF typhoons.



Advanced shouldn't mean complicated, neither do they automatically mean efficient.

Henry120:


It isn't always black and white with us, we just want to know what MRAPs Black South-Africans built originally? It's a simple question really.


I don't think this is the sports section either.

Yes it is dude! Why does is matter so much to you if it was a black or white person that built our MRAPs? South Africans are South African regardless of colour.

Besides im willing to put my life on it, that there are/were many many Black South Africans that work/worked on the A-Darter,Badger,Mamba,RG 41,35,34,33,32,31, Mbombe,Umkhonto, Hawk 120 LIFT,GBADS,ect ect ect

Lastly i was using American athletes purely as an example!

jln115:

Yes it is dude! Why does is matter so much to you if it was a black or white person that built our MRAPs? South Africans are South African regardless of colour.

Besides im willing to put my life on it, that there are/were many many Black South Africans that work/worked on the A-Darter,Badger,Mamba,RG 41,35,34,33,32,31, Mbombe,Umkhonto, Hawk 120 LIFT,GBADS,ect ect ect

Lastly i was using American athletes purely as an example!

........ But you had Apartheid?

ddami:
I have been trying to talk to them since morning... but I doubt if you will give up on this thread... . 'cos I know if you continue to quote them they will keep replying you and it keeps going On and on and on.

Worst Scenario --- with the same thing..

They've been squatting here for the last 5 years frantically trying to have any/whatsoever semblance of victory they can muster over Nigeria. We have beaten them in both the real and virtual worlds. Their wounds are eternally fresh. They will never leave and neither would I

Henry240:


The link I posted in response to Agaugust illustrates my point. Pakistani F-16s, not Block-52s shooting down RAF typhoons.



Advanced shouldn't mean complicated, neither do they automatically mean efficient.

Yes dude i agree 100% but you cant say the Gripen E/F has a complicated cockpit just by looking at a picture.

As for your F16 vs EF source, I dont know how much a person can read in to that, the source also states that it could quite possibly be a lie, but even if its true there could be a whole host of reasons for what happened for exp inexperienced Pilots, Mechanical malfunctions ect ect.

Anyway what i can tell you is that our Cheetah Cs went 2 for 2 in a dogfight against USAF F15Es.

Henry240:


........ But you had Apartheid?

And? does apartheid magically transform people into other nationalities?

lezz:
You're not even posing a challenge to me. First, you've got to learn to write properly and not scribbling like a teenager in Facebook.

Then get your facts right. South Africa isn't the most visited country in Africa. It is actually Morocco.

The rest of your other gibberish is incomprehensible.

insults referencing Facebook ? Lol . Distance plays a role in tourism ..morocco ,Egypt etc being a stone throw away from Europe ,Asia etc hav that advantage .S.A is a long way away from all those nd therefore the diff between us and them is negligable all things considered .making us the top destination ..check any list in Africa we dominate all of them . Il end my attempt at a normal convo wit u on this note ..G8+5 ,G20 ,NIC ,BRICS nd evrything that matters ..we fly the African flag high. Instead of jealousy u shud be happy that Africa has South Africa .we are happy that Nigeria exists so that our companies can offer u world class services .in the words of Pastor Chris oyakhilome ...God bless South Africa

agaugust:


ZIMBABWE -Rhodesia.

Unbiased and neutral Canadian/American military research institute has declared that ALL South African early or earliest MRAPs were copied directly from Zimbabwean MRAP inventions.

No argument needed, historical research has proved the origin of first MRAP vehicles on planet earth :

"There were several early South African vehicles very similar to the Rhodesian conversions – Hyena , Wolf, and Ribbok (an antelope). Kwêvoël is Afrikaans for a turaco (Corythaixoides). Buffel is Afrikaans for the Cape buffalo (Syncerus Caffer)."

Tracing the Origins of 'Mine-' and 'Blast-Resistant' Vehicles

Stephen Priestley, Researcher, Canadian American Strategic Review (CASR)

http://www.casr.ca/id-blast-resistant-vehicles-2.htm
.

They are mistaken

The Hyena entered service in 1972
The Leopard in 1974

Nothing you say do or post will change this fact - South Africa built the first MRAP

agaugust:


Any Zimbabwean MRAP, whatever name it's called, well known or not, popular or not, famous or not....Rhodesian MRAP predates ALL South African made copy-cat MRAP.

Finito

Hyena: 1972
Leopard: 1974

Which year comes first... 1972 or 1974?

Henry120:


Eventually pilots might get used to them, but for how long, how about response, reaction and a pilot under duress?

SAAB Gripen NG,

F-35,

SU-35, all cockpits in that sequence, which do you prefer, which is more user friendly?

F35, then Gripen then Su

the thing is that 2-3 screens are less demanding that hundreds of tiny gauges and buttons spread all across the cockpit, not to mention that the HMD will display essential information during intestive combat where the pilot has to focus on his flying and has no time to manage his jet

agaugust:


[s]Interesting talk you and him are having about cockpits.

Saudi Arabian pilots who 4th Gen F-15 and Tornado, are struggling with Euro Typhoon complicated avionics. Thus, the Saudi authorities decided to evaluate JF-17 Thunder which is easier to fly as a 4th Gen avionics platform[/s]
.

omg the fvcking sh1t you spew out of your mouth

Henry120:


I don't think this is the case. The Gripen E/F cockpit seems to have a whole lot of things going on in there.

I think the SU-35 and F-35 cockpits are way more user friendly than the Gripen E/F. Even with the F-35, pilots are already complaining that the Helmet is too large.

Why do you think the Su--35 is more user friendly?

Because it has less screens?

Henry240:
I got banned for posting this link. I hope I don't get banned again

http://www.asian-defence.net/2011/06/pakistani-f-16s-shoot-down-raf.html?m=1

turns out it was just down to pilot training:

Q: Any memorable experiences that you would like to share?
A: On one occasion – in one of the international Anatolian Eagles - PAF pilots were pitted against RAF Typhoons, a formidable aircraft. There were three set-ups and in all three, we shot down the Typhoons. The RAF pilots were shocked.

Q: Any particular reason for your success?

A: NATO pilots are not that proficient in close-in air-to-air combat. They are trained for BVR [Beyond Visual Range] engagements and their tactics are based on BVR engagements. These were close-in air combat exercises and we had the upper hand because close-in air combat is drilled into every PAF pilot and this is something we are very good at.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/08/eurofighter_beaten_by_f16/

People have to remeber that when you get these "shocking" results from exercises you need to go and look into it because sometimes the parameters of the exercise are such that one asset is heavily crippled - like in this instance, the Typhoon pilots werent allowed to engage in BVR as the exercise was a WVR only exercise

And finally, again, these claims are anecdotal

lezz:
Ask Zulu and co why is it only south Africa that are here? Insecure morons. I love south Africans. Are you happy now?

why do you guys continue appearing on my 'mentions'?,lol,I have almost 10 mentions from your conversation.
do you guys love me so much?,@lezz,i know i'm drop-dead gorgeous,but you are like a brother to me..@ddami,aww.... i must confess that i'm touched by your flambouyant attempts to snatch my attentions,but i'm quite busy now,kindly call back in a few months time..hehehehehe

EVarn:
why do you guys continue appearing on my 'mentions'?,lol,I have almost 10 mentions from your conversation.
do you guys love me so much?,@lezz,i know i'm drop-dead gorgeous,but you are like a brother to me..@ddami,aww.... i must confess that i'm touched by your flambouyant attempts to snatch my attentions,but i'm quite busy now,kindly call back in a few months time..hehehehehe

I guess you don't know why your moniker has been repeated here but am happy that you will be off for months that will help this thread rest in perfect peace and no repetitive argument...
**attempts to snatch ** very very funny.... aaannd I need to show u what I call DROP DEAD GORGEOUS this below I know you know him....

@AUGUSTUS HAS NOT BEEN PAID

Nigerian civil servants in Oyo, Osun, Cross River, Rivers, Abia, Benue, Plateau and Bauchi states have adopted different strategies to survive months of unpaid salaries in their states.

The strategies include begging for money from friends and relatives, securing loans from different sources and doing menial jobs to survive.

Some state governments, especially those led by the opposition All Progressives Congress and the Federal Government have been trading blame over the unpaid salaries of workers.

While the states attributed the development to the drop in federal allocations to them, the Minister of Finance, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, accused them of not prioritising salary payments.

In Oyo State, for instance, where the government has not paid salaries for three months, some civil servants skip their lunch daily.

A few others, it was gathered, however report to their duty posts with garri and groundnuts which serve as their lunch.

One of them revealed at the state secretariat in Ibadan that the state government gave them reasons for the non-payment of their salaries.


He said, “My colleagues are not happy because of the situation. Some of them now skip lunch break because they have no means to observe it.

http://www.nigerianeye.com/2015/05/nigerian-civil-servants-struggle-to.html