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Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by malvisguy212: 3:18pm On Jul 22, 2015 |
truthman2012:satan know its own, if only a brave muslim can stand up and question the doctrine of islam . 1 Like |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by dolphinheart(m): 3:31pm On Jul 22, 2015 |
What does islam mean when it says something is a "symbol of allah" ? When did it become a symbol?was it a symbol when the before hagar ran accross it seven times? Why is it a symbol? On ishmeals age issue According to islam and their religious books , What was ishmaels age or age range as at the time he left with his mother? Why did hagar leave with her son? Who was the son abraham wanted to sacrifice, Isaac or Ishmael. ? If its Ishmael, was he still a baby at that time? On the cresent moon issue. Does islam condemn the use of that symbol to represent islam? Is the use of that symbol Islamic? I want or prefer a sincere , non abusive person to answer my questions. Lastly , pls I need further explanation on how pagans misplaced/missed/changed/forgot the God they where serving with that ritual but did not actually misplace/miss/change/forget the process of that ritual. 3 Likes |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by truthman2012(m): 6:58pm On Jul 22, 2015 |
Demmzy15: Firstly, you didn't answer my question on how pagans could highjack islamic worship system (Safa and Marwah) meant for islamic allah. If it is true they converted islamic worship for their idols, it means the idols and islamic allah have something in common. Can you imagine idol worshipers shouting 'halleluyah' before their idols or placing a cross in their shrine? They are not compatible. It is because idol worship and islam have something in common, hence Muhammad praying with pagans. Sango (an idol) worshipers cannot assemble with Christians to worship the true God. What is derivable far from Rilwayne001's post is that after the death of Abraham and Ishmael, ALL Meccans (with none left) went the way of idolalers, which is impossible in the first place and pagan took over the religious legacy left behind by Abraham and Ishmael. All people could not leave islam without a single person remaining. Besides, he (Rilwayne001) could not support his claim with any evidence. Coming to your explanation on the Bible passage you cited, you really goofed. How did you arrive at Ishmael being 17 years old when he was cast out? Do women wean children after as long as 2-3 years? Take it easy na! Ishmael was a boy and not a baby and that was why he could mock Sarah, for which reason he was sent out. Your interpretation of the bible passage is erroneous. Gen. 21:14 New International Version: Early the next morning Abraham took some food and a skin of water and gave them to Hagar. He set them on her shoulders and then sent her off with the BOY. She went on her way and wandered in the Desert of Beersheba. New Living Translation: So Abraham got up early the next morning, prepared food and a container of water, and strapped them on Hagar's shoulders. Then he sent her away with their son, and she wandered aimlessly in the wilderness of Beersheba. This is the Version you misinterpreted due to your shallow bible knowledge: King James Bible: And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and GAVE it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba. Abraham put the luggage on Hagar shoulder and gave her the BOY. It doesn't mean he put both the the luggage and the boy on Hagar's shoulder. Wait a minute! What was Hagar carrying that Abraham had to put both luggage and the son on her shoulder? Could she not carry Ishmael on her shoulder by herself if he was a baby? The truth is Ismael was a boy and was given or handed over to her when being cast out. Look at another version: Holman Christian Standard Bible: Early in the morning Abraham got up, took bread and a waterskin, put them on Hagar's shoulders, and sent her and the boy away. She left and wandered in the Wilderness of Beer-sheba. A 14 years old boy could be treated as a young child that needs the mother's tender care but definitely not a child being breastfed. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by plainbibletruth: 9:22pm On Jul 22, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Demmzy15, Rilwayne001: Muslims would have us believe that their ritual are based on what older people like Abraham, Hagar, etc did. IT IS CLEAR that they agree that the earlier pagans practiced the same rituals they do today. What I find you guys repeating IS NOT EXPLANATION of why these rituals are being performed but merely restating that they've always been performed. So the questions still remain: 1. Of what SIGNIFICANCE is Muslims' ritual of running between two mountains SIMPLY because Hagar did it? 2. What does what Hagar did REPRESENT? 3. What is the VALUE in it? 4. If the pagan generations that practiced these things before Mohammed "replaced the same and other fabrications in dedication to their idols." how did Mohammed and Islam come to UNDERSTAND them? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by edrys(m): 9:29pm On Jul 22, 2015 |
dolphinheart:You are not seeking the truth Bro. cos you already made up your mind not to learn or see anything good in Islam. Mind you, how was it possible for the Isrealite to carve a golden calf when Moses (ASW) went up the mount to collect the 10 commandments despite the fact that God led and help them to overcome their adversary on the way to promise land. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by dolphinheart(m): 9:56pm On Jul 22, 2015 |
edrys: Wonder how you came to the conclusion that my mind is made up. This is an issue that I dnt fully have data on, hence i seek to know the truth by analysing statements for or against the beliefs mentioned in these thread. So pls if you do not or cannot answer these questions, dnt bother to reply it. I'm not going to go into personal views with you. Isrealites. They did try to worship God in a wrong way, this is different from worshiping other pagan Gods in the right way (that is what I'm starting to believe here). So pls help and answer those questions . |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by Demmzy15(m): 10:03pm On Jul 22, 2015 |
truthman2012:The answer to your questions were properly answered throughout this thread, you claim to be an old man but your brain is so primitive. Stop claiming boss, you've been exposed already. [s]It is because idol worship and islam have something in common, hence Muhammad praying with pagans. Sango (an idol) worshipers cannot assemble with Christians to worship the true God.[/s]Call it whatever you like or whatever you want, that doesn't prove anything. Continue worshipping your cross! What is derivable far from Rilwayne001's post is that after the death of Abraham and Ishmael, ALL Meccans (with none left) went the way of idolalers, which is impossible in the first place and pagan took over the religious legacy left behind by Abraham and Ishmael. All people could not leave islam without a single person remaining. Besides, he (Rilwayne001) could not support his claim with any evidence.Like I said earlier, you're primitive. What did the Jews do when Moses was away? You have to be sincere with yourself, stop takkiyah. When Moses was with God, the Jews indulged in idol worship, the bible didn't pay attention to the those who remained with God. Coming to your explanation on the Bible passage you cited, you really goofed.Ohh! Really? Let's see your pathetic explanations. How did you arrive at Ishmael being 17 years old when he was cast out?Read my previous post, it's very simple and self explanatory. Do women wean children after as long as 2-3 years? Take it easy na!Grandpa, how many years were you weaned? Ishmael was a boy and not a baby and that was why he could mock Sarah, for which reason he was sent out. Your interpretation of the bible passage is erroneous.You're yet to prove that, you're just beating round the Bush. You're defeated! Gen. 21:14Did the verse stop in 14? Continue now, by the way translation I used was the "New Revised Standard Version of the Bible which was compiled from manuscripts more ancient than those of the King James Version of the Bible." So you could go further and see if indeed it fits a baby or a teenage. This is the Version you misinterpreted due to your shallow bible knowledge:Lmaooooo! See who is talking, better study your religion first before jumping into Islam. King James Bible:The emboldened explains it all. Look at another version:But a 17year old neither can be placed on a shoulder nor be lifted up by his mother except if he's a retard which is not so. NOTE: This issue of Ishmael's age came about when Rilwayne001 posted an hadith explaining your gibberish thread. You then tried to disprove by using the bible which is not so because we don't hold the bible as a confirmation for the Quran and hadith. When the Quran contradicts the bible, that doesn't prove anything rather than the bible is incorrect. The hadith stated Ishmael was a baby when his mum was in the wilderness, so I don't need the bible to confirm this for me. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by Demmzy15(m): 10:08pm On Jul 22, 2015 |
plainbibletruth:Water brain! Go back and read again, stop deluding yourself. I don't why you guys are so dumb. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by truthman2012(m): 10:28pm On Jul 22, 2015 |
Demmzy15: Trash! Characteristic of muslims you employed abuses to cover up. Smh! What is the reason for pagans' compatibity with islamic worship system? Why were they worshiping their idols the same way you worship allah? Left unaswered! Why did pagans join Muhammad and they both prayed islamically? No answer. I tell you the truth, islam and paganism are one and the same. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by Demmzy15(m): 10:45pm On Jul 22, 2015 |
truthman2012: Characteristic of muslims you employed abuses to cover up. Smh!But you're free to abuse my God and Prophet right? Guy no vex me fa! [s]What is the reason for pagans' compatibity with islamic worship system? Why were they worshiping their idols the same way you worship allah? Left unaswered![/s]Mr. Man go back to the replies given by the Muslims on this post. It's clear, unambiguous! [s]Why did pagans join Muhammad and they both prayed islamically? No answer.Trash! If I start with paganism and Christianity, wallahi you go enter ground. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by plainbibletruth: 11:39pm On Jul 22, 2015 |
Demmzy15: It appears that until you resort to abuses you never feel normal. It is also obvious when you guys are not able to answer simple questions. Why don't you either simply cut and paste the answers or ADMIT that you don't have the answers? Lol! |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by Demmzy15(m): 11:59pm On Jul 22, 2015 |
plainbibletruth:Lmao! So you abuse and curse our God and Prophet, but complain when we abuse you in person? Hypocrisy at its peak. Cut and paste you call it? Any info I get from an external source, I state obviously but unlike you guys. None of you have made any sense here, you just want us to keep saying the same thing over and over again. Remember that's what you did in your thread, but I won't fall for it. I can't be wasting my time in a futile argument, read the post Rilwayne provided. Digest it, it's very simple! Tell your friend to stay away from "wiki islam" and "bible.ca" because this is where he copied and pasted this gibberish topic from. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by Demmzy15(m): 12:55am On Jul 23, 2015 |
truthman2012:It is clearly shown in the hadeeth, Muhammad is a Prophet of Allah and he received revelations from God. Tafsir of the Quran by Ibn Kathir states: ".....Isma`il's mother then returned to her place, started drinking water from the water-skin and nursing Isma`il. When the water was used up, she and her son became thirsty. She looked at him, and he was suffering from thirst; she left, because she disliked seeing his face in that condition. She found the nearest mountian to where she was, As-Safa, ascended it and looked, in vain, hoping to see somebody. When she came down to the valley, she raised her garment and ran, just as a tired person runs, until she reached the Al-Marwah mountain. In vain, she looked to see if there was someone there. She ran to and fro (between the two mountains) seven times.'' Ibn `Abbas said that the Messenger of Allah said, "This is why the people make the trip between As-Safa and Al-Marwah (during Hajj and Umrah).''....." These were things that were there before paganism. They were rituals which were done by Abraham and Ishmael. The people of the area followed the religion of Ibrahim through the guidance of Ishmael since he was the prophet of the area. As time went on and he passed away the people started to stray away from the religion and started introducing foreign things and other gods into their worship. In the end the only thing that was left from the religion of Ibrahim and Ishmael were those few things. The same Bukhari wrote that Safa and Marwah was the practice of pagans. I asked some questions which you could not answer: Did Bukhari write that this ritual was [size=14pt]introduced or first practiced by the pagan Arabs?[/size] You need to know the difference, it was practiced first by Hagar then the later generations which then plunged themselves into paganism continued this practice. The Prophet explained to them in the Ibn Abbas narration that it was this act of Hagar that Safar and Marwah was introduced. Understood? How could the pagan highjack islamic worship system(Safa and Marwah) if they were not compatible?Bowing down is a form of worship which is meant for God only, Jesus himself bowed down to God. But still today, we have religions in which it requires you to bow down to their idols. Now my question is, if Muslims, Christians and Hindus bow down during worship does that mean we're(Muslims and Christians) worshiping idols just because the Hindus do something similar? This was why the post of malvisguy212 was easily flawed, he tried to pull out similarities between Islam and Hinduism but at the end, Christianity and Hinduism have similar traditions too. [s]The truth remains there is a connection between paganism and islam. No wonder Muhammad could pray with pagans:Thrash! When Moses was away, didn't the Israelites bow down to a golden calf? A form of worship which God himself claimed is for him alone. Guy use your head! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by Demmzy15(m): 1:28am On Jul 23, 2015 |
plainbibletruth:Of course has clearly explained by the Prophet Muhammad! IT IS CLEAR that they agree that the earlier pagans practiced the same rituals they do today.Were this early pagans before Abraham, Ishmael and Hagar? What I find you guys repeating IS NOT EXPLANATION of why these rituals are being performed but merely restating that they've always been performed.Very nonsensical! So the questions still remain:Of course because she did, is it your problem? What's your stress? When Jesus told you to be drinking "shepke" for holy communion or that you should be rolling on the ground during prayers, no one questioned you na! 2. What does what Hagar did REPRESENT?Sheikh Ibn Uthaymeen explained: [b]"(the reason) is that in this place there was a valley, i.e., a channel for rainwater, and a valley is usually steep and sandy, so it is difficult to walk normally in it, so one has to run. The purpose behind sa‘i is to remember the story of the mother of Ismaa‘eel: when Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) left her (may Allah be pleased with her) and her son in this place, and he left a skin of water and a bag of dates with her; the mother began to eat the dates and drink the water, and she breastfed her son. Then the water and dates ran out, so she became hungry and thirsty, and her milk dried up. The infant became hungry, and began to cry with hunger. She found herself in a difficult position. She saw that the nearest mountain to her was as-Safa, so she went to as-Safa and began to listen out in the hope that she would hear someone, but she heard no one. So she came and headed the other way, towards al-Marwah. When she came down to the bottom of the valley, she could no longer see her son, so she started running fast, until she climbed up so that she could see her son. She climbed up to listen out from al-Marwah, but she did not hear anything. She continued like this until she had done this seven times. Then she heard a sound, but she did not know what it was. Then she saw that Jibreel had come down by Allah’s command, and he struck the ground with his wing or his foot in the place where Zamzam is now…[/b] 4. If the pagan generations that practiced these things before Mohammed "replaced the same and other fabrications in dedication to their idols." how did Mohammed and Islam come to UNDERSTAND them?Prophet Muhammad doesn't need the pagan Arabs to teach him his religion, God did. So that's sufficient enough for him and the Muslims, hope that clears it up? 1 Like |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by malvisguy212: 6:49am On Jul 23, 2015 |
Demmzy15:read the op and see , All the evidence are there in the quran and hadith, if the muslims in muhammed era believe doing tawaf between safa and marwa come from Abraham or ishmael, why did they dislike it in the first place ? When did the pagan hijacks this very same ritual ?only muhammed claimed the kabba was a place to worship God , NO other prophet made such claimed,If the Kaba was the house of God, why did Muhammad order his followers to face Jerusalem? Muhammad's 'revelation' in the Quran says that when Allah had Muhammad change prayer directions, it was a test of the Muslims. This sounds like a lame excuse on Muhammad's part. What's the test? Face another direction? That does not appear to be such an incredible challenge! The fact that muhammed and his followers are facing Jerusalem to pray proof the Jews and christians are worshipping the true God And he wanted to deceive them to worship Allah , but the Jews and christians reject him. You see , in the bible there is no place christians worship the way pagan do , infacte Jesus message teaches we should not show to much emphasis on religious ceremony (which the pagan do) soo your allegation against christians worshipping the same way pagan did was a lies from the pit of hell, bible never encourage such. When the children of isreal waited for Moses for so long and Moses did not show up, they loose patience , started worship the golden calf , it was Moses HIMSELF who destroyed this idols. The bottomline!! Muhammed sanctioned the worshipping of pagan ritual in the quran and the hadith confirmed it , the black stone is a symbol of paganism, Umar bin Al-Khattab was a pagan before his conversion to islam, here what this hadith say: Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675: Narrated by Zaid bin Aslam: From his father who said: “Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner ( Black Stone) saying, ‘By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.’ Then he kissed it.” This is a very revealing statement coming from one who used to be a pagan. Umar’s conversion to monotheism was so absolute that he was able to make the above observation while his Prophet was actually venerating a pagan idol. The reason behind Umar’s reluctance in kissing the Black Stone is that the pagan Arabs also performed this same ritual. However, Umar venerated his Prophet and this eventually led him to venerate the pagan idol. Ultimately, he ended up venerating the Black Stone, Muhammad and Allah. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by plainbibletruth: 7:40am On Jul 23, 2015 |
Demmzy15: All that you are still doing is to state that you do what you do today because your prophets and people of old did it. The question you're yet to answer is: why did they do it? Why did Hagar run between two mountains? Is running between two mountains of any significance to you, if so how? What benefit is there in doing this and other rituals? Yes your forebears did it, but for what purpose? Simply stating that you do it because they did it doesn't answer the 'why?'. |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by truthman2012(m): 8:49am On Jul 23, 2015 |
Demmzy15: Trash! Paste the answers to those questions here and let people see. Liar. As for your Christianity and paganism, post it here backing your claim from Christian sources like I did for slam and not from non-Christian perspectives. I hereby challenge you to do it. |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by dolphinheart(m): 9:17am On Jul 23, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Seems no one wants to answer |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by edrys(m): 9:53am On Jul 23, 2015 |
plainbibletruth:I rarely post on nl but this time I can't hold the urge. The answer to your questions are still of no use to you cos it shows evidently that you are not interested in whatever the answer or explanation given despite quoting from the hadith or Qur'an. We have proof of what we do in the Qur'an, Tafsir of the Quran, Sunnah and Hadith of the Prophet(pbuh). Can you give us a proof of where it is written in the Bible that you should celebrate Easter, Boxing day and Christmas(don't give me the story of the three wise men). And please stop quoting from different versions of d bible. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by edrys(m): 10:19am On Jul 23, 2015 |
dolphinheart:If you follow the chronological of event. What would you have done in that circumstance? Give up, blame the causer of the problem(Ibrahim asw), give up on your faith or use faith where the hope of surviving is only by a miracle? The lesson which everyone of us must learn from the story is never to lose FAITH 'IMAN' in Allah when face with life trials and problem. (This is what Muslim still uphold during hajj) We should be resilient in the face of hardship and should not renounce our convinction in Allah when tempted. Thank you OP cos you make me pay attention to d significance of what must have happened to Hagar while she was distressed but she kept faith hoping that Allah will send help which He eventually sent through Angel Jubril. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by dolphinheart(m): 10:34am On Jul 23, 2015 |
edrys: Which of my questions did you answer. |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by aristotlengr: 2:26pm On Jul 23, 2015 |
truthman2012: Firstly, i most state that i commend your interest in Islam. I have deduced from your comments that your are not a muslim and the fact that you have read some thing about another persons religion is commendable, especially from a Nigerians perspective, since it is common knowledge that Nigerians have a very poor reading culture. President Obasanjo in his second tenure, in regards to our poor reading culture, said; "If you want to hide any information from Nigerians, write it in a book and put it in a library". You debunked the statement you referenced that the TAWAF originated from the time of Abraham (May Allah be Pleased with him), when Hagar, the mother of Ishmael and her baby (Ishmael), was thirsty and had exhausted her store of water, in panic rushed to the peaks of mouth Safar and Marwah to scan the horizon for help, until she came back and discovered her baby drinking water from a spring that had miraculously sprung at the feet of Ishmael (This spring is known as Zamzam, It is less than 5ft deep and millions of muslims drink from it, during the Hajj and through out the year. It has not dried up for the past 1,400 years). You debunked this statement based on the fact of the ages of Abraham; 1. When Ishmael was born (86 Yrs). 2. When he sent Ishmael and Hagar out (100 yrs). Therefore you concluded that Ishmael was 14 years when Isaac was borne. The text you quoted correctly states the age of Abraham when Isaac borne, but does not state his (Abraham) age when Isaac was weaned (and had a feast). If we conclude that the time of Isaac's birth, the time of the weaning of Isaac and the time of Ishmael's mocking and the subsequent eviction of Ishmael and Hagar happened in the same year. Then we can say that Ishmael was 14 years, although it would be awkward to say a baby was borne and weaned in the same year, especially in a time when we did not have baby formulas. CONCLUSION: I would have to disagree with you based on the following facts; 1. Although as you say the Quran is silent about the how and why.I do not know what kind of father would send out his 14 year old (or less ) son and his mother for allegedly mocking. Such a person even at today's standards, would be considered as a wicked person, talk less of a Prophet of God. 2. The bible is not a reliable source of Historical Data, such as the ages of Historical Figures. I say this not because i am bias, but based on proof. The genealogy of Abraham according to the bible, put the length of time between Adam an Abraham as 1,948 years. If we add the length of time between Abraham and Jesus, which secular History puts at 2,000 years and the time between Jesus and now which secular history puts at 2000 years, then between the creation of the first man (Adam) and today would be roughly 6,000 years. (You can find information about the genealogy of Abraham on pg 30 of "The Bible, Quran and Science by Maurice Bucile" - http://www.islamicbulletin.org/free_downloads/quran/bible_quran_science.pdf). NB: I would also like to thank you for the objective question you asked [qoute] From where did Muhammad read that Safa and Marwah was an act by Ishmael mother? [/quote]. You have just debunked the statement by many non-muslims that say the Quran is a copy of the Bible and FYI the Prophet could neither read or write, was not a scholar, Historian or Scientist of any kind and was not a traveler. Best of luck in your spiritual journey to find the truth. |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by aristotlengr: 3:22pm On Jul 23, 2015 |
truthman2012: 1. New International Version Early the next morning Abraham took some food and a skin of water and gave them to Hagar. He set them on her shoulders and then sent her off with the boy. She went on her way and wandered in the Desert of Beersheba. 2. New Living Translation So Abraham got up early the next morning, prepared food and a container of water, and strapped them on Hagar's shoulders. Then he sent her away with their son, and she wandered aimlessly in the wilderness of Beersheba. 3. English Standard Version So Abraham rose early in the morning and took bread and a skin of water and gave it to Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, along with the child, and sent her away. And she departed and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba. 4. New American Standard Bible So Abraham rose early in the morning and took bread and a skin of water and gave them to Hagar, putting them on her shoulder, and gave her the boy, and sent her away. And she departed and wandered about in the wilderness of Beersheba. 5. King James Bible And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba. 6. Holman Christian Standard Bible Early in the morning Abraham got up, took bread and a waterskin, put them on Hagar's shoulders, and sent her and the boy away. She left and wandered in the Wilderness of Beer-sheba. 7. International Standard Version So early the next morning, Abraham got up, took bread and a leather bottle of water, gave them to Hagar, and placed them on her shoulder. He then sent her away, along with the child. She went off and roamed in the Beer-sheba wilderness. 8. NET Bible Early in the morning Abraham took some food and a skin of water and gave them to Hagar. He put them on her shoulders, gave her the child, and sent her away. So she went wandering aimlessly through the wilderness of Beer Sheba. 9. GOD'S WORD® Translation Early the next morning Abraham took bread and a container of water and gave them to Hagar, putting them on her shoulder. He also gave her the boy and sent her on her way. So she left and wandered around in the desert near Beersheba. 10. Jubilee Bible 2000 So Abraham rose up early in the morning and took bread and a bottle of water and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child and sent her away; and she departed and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba. 11. King James 2000 Bible And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a skin of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba. 12. American King James Version And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it to Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba. 13. American Standard Version And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and gave her the child, and sent her away. And she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba. 14. Douay-Rheims Bible So Abraham rose up in the morning, and taking bread and a bottle of water, put it upon her shoulder, and delivered the boy, and sent her away. And she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Bersabee. 15. Darby Bible Translation And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a flask of water, and gave [it] to Hagar, putting [it] on her shoulder -- and the child, and sent her away. And she departed, and wandered about in the wilderness of Beer-sheba. 16. English Revised Version And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba. 17. Webster's Bible Translation And Abraham rose early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it to Hagar (putting it on her shoulder) and the child, and sent her away; and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba. 18. World English Bible Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread and a bottle of water, and gave it to Hagar, putting it on her shoulder; and gave her the child, and sent her away. She departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba. 19. Young's Literal Translation And Abraham riseth early in the morning, and taketh bread, and a bottle of water, and giveth unto Hagar (placing it on her shoulder), also the lad, and sendeth her out; and she goeth on, and goeth astray in the wilderness of Beer-Sheba; Out of Nineteen (19) Version of the Bible, Fifteen (15) categorically say that the boy was put on Hagar should together with bread and water (i have highlighted in red) , yet you say that the version quoted that the boy Ishmael was placed on his mothers shoulder are diffective, could Fifteen of Nineteen versions of the Bible be defective? 1 Like |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by reallest(f): 5:17pm On Jul 23, 2015 |
Religion people with their problem :DReligion people with their problem |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by exco90(m): 6:48pm On Jul 23, 2015 |
I don't know what's wrong with dis xtians.. Now look at what uve caused ur bible.. Debunking ur half truth.. Why will u guys wake up one day and brought up a topic that will put u and ur bible into shame and disgrace.. The muslim debunked u guys with both quran. Hadith and with ur bible.. U guys always create chances to expose the lie in ur bible(I.e the issue of ismeal as a baby or adult.. By using the age of abraham and the weaning event to convince spectators like us to believe that the said child is a full grown boy infact let me say man.. 17years old boy don dey give person belle).. Please wen next I will be seeing debate here.. Please u guys should come up with reasonable topic.. U guys made me to broswe through 3 pages of dis dialogue.. Thinking that u guys are going to end well.. Although u guys started well.. For about half a page of the first page.. No muslim came up with responce.. But wen they surfaced.. It was something else... Anyway am a fans of religion.. Let's see the second half or the rebrutal session can favour u.. I wish u xtians best of luck.. Put more effort.. U can do it. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by exco90(m): 6:49pm On Jul 23, 2015 |
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Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by Demmzy15(m): 7:03pm On Jul 23, 2015 |
plainbibletruth:Yes and hope it's not your problem, Christians baptised themselves in River Jordan during pilgrimage because Jesus and other disciples did. The question you're yet to answer is: why did they do it?Because Allah commanded us to. Why did Hagar run between two mountains?If you were paying attention, we mentioned earlier that she was looking for water. Is running between two mountains of any significance to you, if so how?I posted an answer to either you or truthman2012, go back and read What benefit is there in doing this and other rituals?Why do Christians go for pilgrimage? [s]Yes your forebears did it, but for what purpose? Simply stating that you do it because they did it doesn't answer the 'why?'.[/s]Guy stop asking unreasonable questions, you aren't asking to know more but to show your folly. |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by Demmzy15(m): 7:35pm On Jul 23, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Bros Rilwayne001 wallahi this guy is sooo dumb, he created threads about this nonsense and he was refuted to the core. https://www.nairaland.com/2408973/explanation-wanted Even on plainbibletruth thread, he asked about the Kaaba and the black Stone and it was explained thoroughly for this lying hypocrite https://www.nairaland.com/2410291/which-son-did-god-ask/3 Malvisguy212 you made a point about Moses destroying the idols himself, didn't the Prophet Muhammad destroy the idols in the Kaaba too? Guy you're so dumb!! 1 Like |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by dolphinheart(m): 7:54pm On Jul 23, 2015 |
dolphinheart: No one to reply me with answers to my questions? 2 Likes |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by truthman2012(m): 7:54pm On Jul 23, 2015 |
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Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by Demmzy15(m): 8:01pm On Jul 23, 2015 |
truthman2012:Lmaooooo! Old man is already conceding defeat! Jagoon aka jargons I no get ya time u hear?! |
Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by Rilwayne001: 8:02pm On Jul 23, 2015 |
Demmzy15: Malviguy is not just dumb, he is super-dumb. Maybe because he dropped out of secondary school at the very crucial age when he needs education. He is showing the effect of half education. The other minions on this thread are deliberately foolish. No doubt any reasonable individual reading this thread will notice that. You sef have time for them . 1 Like 1 Share |
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