@punkyveer you've made reading through this thread worth the while and enlightening with a bit of comic relief to boot.

PunkyVeer:


No, it's not done in public, as in, infront of the whole community. It's actually done in a secluded place with only females around. Regarding photos of it on the internet, well, there are people who study these practises (white people to be exact), so when they know it is happening, they visit & maybe the take the photos too. IDK. People who know these things, will never take photos because they're considered sacred, just like child birth. I was shocked too when I saw pictures of guys "in the mountains" aka traditional circumcision schools because I as a woman doesn't get the privilege to see that, according to culture. However, we now live in the world of technology, so certain things do end up in the internet. It just is what it is. Nothing is too taboo these days

I'm referring to the testing btw, the nùdity part, oh well, people don't bat an eye when they see that. It's "normal".

Fair enough. Excuse the mean post.

Unilag babes to be tested also #Sinkhole

Mcbussy:


No matter what u call it or how u try to explain the tradition, there's still only 1 word that qualifies it.... BARBARIC

surely the explanation was not directed to you...it was meant for objective and matured individuals..

Truckpusher:
Nah , you're getting it twisted - I wasn't dissing my country girls but we want that culture here because there are some nairalander girls that I would want to test by myself.

Aww, my bad. That happens a lot here on this site so it's hard to tell sometimes. You guys can be vicious
@ wanting to be the chief virginity examiner. Just curious about the type of "tool" you'll be using Some Nairaland girls sound very phony though so i hope you don't mind if I become your assistant lol. Expose galore

PunkyVeer:


Aww, my bad. That happens a lot here on this site so it's hard to tell sometimes. You guys can be vicious
@ wanting to be the chief virginity examiner. Just curious about the type of "tool" you'll be using Some Nairaland girls sound very phony though so hope you don't mind if I become your assistant lol

Because of their stubborn nature I'll always prefer the electric pole.

lekyar:
@punkyveer you've made reading through this thread worth the while and enlightening with a bit of comic relief to boot.

Thanks, hun

digitsolution:
This is highly ludicrous and bad.

not at all ...it's culture . We live among a lot of white ppl here ,u as an African shud be proud we still practice it ,ratha than be influenced by western culture

RudzSA:
not at all ...it's culture . We live among a lot of white ppl here ,u as an African shud be proud we still practice it ,ratha than be influenced by western culture

Rudz, nani niyayenza? UmuVhenda ne?

PunkyVeer:


No, it's because we're part of the same "family" so I understand the culture well. The Swazi people, the Ndebele, the Zulu & the Xhosa people are all Nguni people. Meaning we're different tribes but share similarities not only in language but in culture as well.

PS, to show the "family" thing, I've noticed they have incorporated part of the Xhosa culture, namely the facial decorations & the black & white cloth some are wearing. However, I know they're not Xhosa because Xhosa don't do a reed dance. It must be either zulu girls or swazi girls because they're the only ones out of the four Nguni tribes with a king. Xhosa & Ndebele don't have an active kingdom/ruler, so there's no need to be picking reed.

Is it a crime for a guy to touch any of the bra less girls,Or i should ask "is there much importance to these exposed boobz

sauceny:


Is it a crime for a guy to touch any of the bra less girls,Or i should ask "is there much importance to these exposed boobz

It's of no importance, it's just according to how things were done in the past. One thing I think people don't understand is that, South Africans still do things the way their forefathers did. Boys still get circumcised in the bushes, etc. It's looked down upon if they go to the hospital. It must be done the old fashion way or it's not quite right. We've not lost our identity just because we live in a multiracial nation.

The boys don't touch the girls because they're used to seeing it. Like I told someone earlier, no one bats an eyelid when they see someone topless. And people don't see it in a sexual way. It just bòobs. No big deal.

PunkyVeer:
This story is not completely true. In Swaziland & parts of South Africa they do virginity testing. IT IS NOT COMPULSORY. Those that take part in it, do so on their own accord.

King Muswati DOES NOT choose a wife from the little children, he chooses from the older girls & to my understanding, the girls have a say. They can say, no.

Btw, even his daughters take part in the ceremony. It is called Reed Dance or uMhlanga. The history behind it is that, in the past, they used to send virgin girls to go pick up the reed that would be used to build the palace's cattle kraal. I don't know how it is in West Africa, but in the SADC, the kraal is the most important part of a homestead. It should be pure (women aren't allowed in the kraal) because that's where most family rituals are done, so I guess that's why virgins were allocated the task of picking up the building material. Now times are different, however,not every girl that claims to be a virgin is a virgin, like in the olden days, that's when the testing comes in, just to make sure they're still "pure" before carrying such an important royal task. It has now become part of their lifestyle to remain virgins because they want to be part of the celebrations & of course some have the hope of being the King's next bride. They're there to peacock for him--some & some are just there for the ceremony because it is considered an honour to be part of that.

Anyway, the 1st pic is king muswati's own daughter. She also takes part in the reed dance. The 2nd pic is of the girls, the potential brides to be aka palace's virgin reed pickers. 3rd pic is an example of a kraal.

Quite revealing....
Are u from swaziland?

PunkyVeer:


Rudz, nani niyayenza? UmuVhenda ne?

yebo sisi ... .ladies in a circle wit their t1ts out . I think it's only sothos nd tsongas who dnt do it .

PunkyVeer:


It's of no importance, it's just according to how things were done in the past. One thing I think people don't understand is that, South Africans still do things the way their forefathers did. Boys still get circumcised in the bushes, etc. It's looked down upon if they go to the hospital. It must be done the old fashion way or it's not quite right. We've not lost our identity just because we live in a multiracial nation.

The boys don't touch the girls because they're used to seeing it. Like I told someone earlier, no one bats an eyelid when they see someone topless. And people don't see it in a sexual way. It just bòobs. No big deal.

but those girls i see spreading eagle wide to be examined and publicly too are still underaged,now if this will be happening now in this century,one never stops to wonder the verosity this ritual will have been carried out in the past when man was still in the dark.

snakebeat:

Quite revealing....
Are u from swaziland?

No. I'm South African. There's a Swazi girl here on Nairaland so if I'm off the mark, then she'll say or maybe add some more.

((( SHORTBASS)))

RudzSA:
yebo sisi ... .ladies in a circle wit their t1ts out . I think it's only sothos nd tsongas who dnt do it .

Oh wow. And do you have a reason why or is it to make sure your girls are straight & narrow? Vhavhenda girls are quite respectful, btw.

It baffles me that the women are not complaining

they even open their legs joyfully yakata for the man to poke his fingers into their totori

Randyhot:
but those girls i see spreading eagle wide to be examined and publicly too are still underaged,now if this will be happening now in this century,one never stops to wonder the verosity this ritual will have been carried out in the past when man was still in the dark.

My brother, the examination of underage girls is new to me. It was not done. Was done only to girls of age. I discussed this very same topic with another member on another thread & what I told him was--if they're now checking young girls, it must be because of the incidents of grown men molesting children. IDK. That's just my suspicion. It's not done in public, btw

RudzSA:
not at all ...it's culture . We live among a lot of white ppl here ,u as an African shud be proud we still practice it ,ratha than be influenced by western culture

True you have a valid point. We have a whole lot of cultural heritage and traditions that are gradually going into oblivion (such as our literatures, dressing mode, festivals, mode of greeting, what we eat and how we eat etc). These should be guarded and ensure our generation and unborn generation do not loose their heritage.

But seriously I frown at the manipulation of these young maidens this is equivalent to the killing of twins. It's a breach on culture and ethics. Even beyond reasonable doubt this is so crude..........

PunkyVeer:


Oh wow. And do you have a reason why or is it to make sure your girls are straight & narrow? Vhavhenda girls are quite respectful, btw.

its the same process I guess ... The chief selecting a bride nd all. On respect ? Being made to feel lyk u belong in the kitchen nd the bedroom will do that to you ..plus they not as outspoken as Xhosa girls . No one beats u ladies in the confidence department ..nt even zulu girls

digitsolution:


True you have a valid point. We have a whole lot of cultural heritage and traditions that are gradually going into oblivion (such as our literatures, dressing mode, festivals, mode of greeting, what we eat and how we eat etc). These should be guarded and ensure our generation and unborn generation do not loose their heritage.

But seriously I frown at the manipulation of these young maidens this is equivalent to the killing of twins. It's a breach on culture and ethics. Even beyond reasonable doubt this is so crude..........

absolutely ...ther are some hu manipulate culture to suit their own needs e.g child marriages nd subjugation of women . Some of those things done in the name of culture dnt belong in the world we live in today . But there are those that are regarded as ethically acceptable nd these we need to preserve .

PunkyVeer:


lol, but you're not gonna see girls walking around topless all the time. They only do it during traditional ceremonies. Taking it all the way back to the time of Eden

People often say nùdity is primitive blah blah blah, forgetting that from the beginning of time, humans roamed the earth nùde. Even when one is born, they enter the world, nùde. So us here down south, don't mind going biblical & connect to the roots, so to speak.

I hope this won't get me banned but here are more pics. Mind you, here we don't look at it in a sexual way. It's simply a way of being.

nice pic

lovely mangoes

Atlantian:
If Sanusi wears 15yards of bedsheets, most of you will herald it as a wonderful tradition. Oh yes, do not criticize this swaziland tradition, if you do so you are an hypocrite. I have said it times and again, that we need to do away with all traditions. They are mostly vices in 21st century. The era of these lifestyle is gone, gone, gone. We must move forward and forget these nonsense.

fall for chair

hahaha 15yards of bedsheets

abey, mek he come test mine nah




















shei, na him Dickson he de use test

RudzSA:
its the same process I guess ... The chief selecting a bride nd all. On respect ? Being made to feel lyk u belong in the kitchen nd the bedroom will do that to you ..plus they not as outspoken as Xhosa girls . No one beats u ladies in the confidence department ..nt even zulu girls

Yeah, we Xhosa's are very strong coz our men are to brilliant so we get sharper in order to deal with them.

On topic, i would never engage Nigerians on culture and tradition. They think abandoning their culture is civilization. Even their traditional wear is made up and modernized as traditional wear. But ours is original but they would say we are backward or uncivilized. Thank God we strong South African wherethe ones who went through Apartheid if it was them they would have lost any track of who they are.

No pride in African Traditional practices at all. Its a shame. We are on other side are proud and flaunt our traditions without fear or shame.

RudzSA:
its the same process I guess ... The chief selecting a bride nd all. On respect ? Being made to feel lyk u belong in the kitchen nd the bedroom will do that to you ..plus they not as outspoken as Xhosa girls . No one beats u ladies in the confidence department ..nt even zulu girls

Oh ok, thanks. I like that about Vhenda girls though. They're very calm. I knew this one girl called Tshedza. Not sure if that's the correct spelling but she was a really nice girl. Very shy too. Plus Vhenda peeps are gifted with languages, I've noticed. Cool people.

lol, Xhosa women think they're men Too opinionated. We need REAL men to tame us, not wussies or they'll live to reget it

MduZA:


surely the explanation was not directed to you...it was meant for objective and matured individuals..

Puhahahahaha ... hilarious.

If ur king's "virginity test" is a show of maturity, then I don't ever wanna be mature.

OohLalah:


Yeah, we Xhosa's are very strong coz our men are to brilliant so we get sharper in order to deal with them.

On topic, i would never engage Nigerians on culture and tradition. They think abandoning their culture is civilization. Even their traditional wear is made up and modernized as traditional wear. But ours is original but they would say we are backward or uncivilized. Thank God we strong South African wherethe ones who went through Apartheid if it was them they would have lost any track of who they are.

No pride in African Traditional practices at all. Its a shame. We are on other side are proud and flaunt our traditions without fear or shame.

it seems your mistaken babarism with strenght,we nigerians are proud of our traditional identities and priceless values,but any act wheather colletively or individualy thats sets to demean the dignity of humans is aggresively shuned,we had our case of dumping twins in unhabited forests and it was fought and won with the help of some white missionaries,the society where this is still practised needs a chiristian spiritual awakening,am proudly Nigerian and African,am a human beign with concience and dignity,am a lover of God and goodness.

PunkyVeer:
This story is not completely true. In Swaziland & parts of South Africa they do virginity testing. IT IS NOT COMPULSORY. Those that take part in it, do so on their own accord.

King Muswati DOES NOT choose a wife from the little children, he chooses from the older girls & to my understanding, the girls have a say. They can say, no.

Btw, even his daughters take part in the ceremony. It is called Reed Dance or uMhlanga. The history behind it is that, in the past, they used to send virgin girls to go pick up the reed that would be used to build the palace's cattle kraal. I don't know how it is in West Africa, but in the SADC, the kraal is the most important part of a homestead. It should be pure (women aren't allowed in the kraal) because that's where most family rituals are done, so I guess that's why virgins were allocated the task of picking up the building material. Now times are different, however,not every girl that claims to be a virgin is a virgin, like in the olden days, that's when the testing comes in, just to make sure they're still "pure" before carrying such an important royal task. It has now become part of their lifestyle to remain virgins because they want to be part of the celebrations & of course some have the hope of being the King's next bride. They're there to peacock for him--some & some are just there for the ceremony because it is considered an honour to be part of that.

Anyway, the 1st pic is king muswati's own daughter. She also takes part in the reed dance. The 2nd pic is of the girls, the potential brides to be aka palace's virgin reed pickers. 3rd pic is an example of a kraal.

The bolded part I never knew. We learn every day ka nnete

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Randyhot:
it seems your mistaken babarism with strenght,we nigerians are proud of our traditional identities and priceless values,but any act wheather colletively or individualy thats sets to demean the dignity of humans is aggresively shuned,we had our case of dumping twins in unhabited forests and it was fought and won with the help of some white missionaries,the society where this is still practised needs a chiristian spiritual awakening,am proudly Nigerian and African,am a human beign with concience and dignity,am a lover of God and goodness.

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Please save me your hypocritical love of God. You do the most hedious acts among all human beings alive. You just like to play pretend. You abort babies to pretend that you are good and can marry without children outside of marriage. You steal and offer to churches which intern accept. You kill to get rich. You kill, raid grave, sell human parts and even eat humans, now that is babarism just in case you missed the dictionary. Please don't get me started. You are the worst pretenders and use religion to bury your heads in sand. Now swerve!

Mcbussy:


Puhahahahaha ... hilarious.

If ur king's "virginity test" is a show of maturity, then I don't ever wanna be mature.

You are the one who is hilarious! Do you see any man there? Only women do the check up.Why do you like reverting things? Your women open their legs daily to quack male doctors to do abortion and you play pretend that you are all that? Puleez, get out of here.

OohLalah:
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Please save me your hypocritical love of God. You do the most hedious acts among all human beings alive. You just like to play pretend. You abort babies to pretend that you are good and can marry without children outside of marriage. You steal and offer to churches which intern accept. You kill to get rich. You kill, raid grave, sell human parts and even eat humans, now that is babarism just in case you missed the dictionary. Please don't get me started. You are the worst pretenders and use religion to bury your heads in sand. Now swerve!

all you mentioned above are crimes punishable by law and by God,which its practices is not peculiar to Nigeria alone,but if you must learn from me then know that most south africans are too paronoid which we all saw in the recent xenophobic killings,i dont choose to dwell on that because every society has its own problems,but when the people that are supposed to be speaking out against such oppressions are busy painting evil with white,then the legitimacy and morality of such society will be open for public debate.