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uprightman:
yes to drink wine is not sin.

protestant churches no gree na

LEGALAide:
Sorry I'm spoiling your weed market.
There's no contradiction in my article.
Yes God created weed.
And God created cyanide containing plants.
Eat them, because God created them too.

look am not even going to argue with you, you are obviously too Religious than i am, Good for you, yes i smoke weed perhaps even help market them. But still i am sure am not the worst of human and unlike some, i refuse to live a double standard life

That would be being insincere to me self. smoking weed is wrong but fighting, cursing, anger, bribery, and shaving and sex before marriage, boy friend and girlfriend is ok. right?

Op that's a good article. You took time to outline all your points nd I salute your patience.
Wine is very good and nothing wrong in consuming, its usually the excess comsuptiom that isn't healthy.

As for the over the over religious, its their cup of tea.idrink.my wine and my milk stout whenever it pleases my soul withing my capacity.No priest or pastor would tell me otherwise.

otiigba1:
look am not even going to argue with you, you are obviously too Religious than i am, Good for you, yes i smoke weed perhaps even help market them. But still i am sure am not the worst of human and unlike some, i refuse to live a double standard life

That would be being insincere to me self.

argue with me kwa?
No o.
I just made my own point.

Owliver:
protestant churches no gree na

yet they take alcohol behind closed doors, sometimes brazenly alfresco!
Too bad.

LEGALAide:
argue with me kwa?
No o.
I just made my own point.

daalu nwanem! The bible appears contradictory some times too, i believe, am not even sure on what to believe

LEGALAide:
yet they take alcohol behind closed doors, sometimes brazenly alfresco!
Too bad.

i tell you!

Like I said earlier, I DON'T drink, and I don't preach nor support it, but supposing I go to a Christian brother's house, who is apparently NOT lacking in scriptural knowledge on this subject matter and I find wines in his house, do I become offended? , wld my conscience be hurt? , wld I think he has committed sin? wld I think he is now less a Christian? , wld I even think the holy spirit isn't in him? Or wld I conclude he lacks knowledge? NO!, because I have the knowledge that he is at liberty to drink wine.. But if the brother drinks carelessly( not meaning excessively or getting drunk) and he becomes an hindrance by giving offence to other people or brothers by making them sin because of his liberty, then ,HE SINs!!.. Romans 14(whole chapter) ,,1st Corinthians 10 vs 32...
So this is basically why drinking isn't edifying or helpful for a Christian, because even when you are certain you wnt get drunk,, yu cnt be certain you wnt offend others, and by so, you wnt be acting or fellowshiping in LOVE.. And this is basically why I don't drink and nt because wine in itself is a SIN.

gradeA:
Am glad you quoted Luke 1:15 in your write-up. The reason John the Baptist was forbidden from taking alcohol was because he would be filled with the Holy Spirit from birth.

Now alcohol was permitted in the dispensation of old, but we are now in the dispensation of the Holy Spirit, and it is forbidden.

Once we have the new birth in Christ, and are baptised in the Holy Ghost, we get to the stage John the Baptist was at birth and what applied to him becomes applicable to us.

Guys the conclusion remains once you are born again, and filled with the Spirit of God, you have no business with alcohol, be it a sip, gulp or total consumption.

cc; LEGALAide.

Perfect example of pple twisting christian belief 2 fit their own opinion please give us a bible quotation 2 back this up.

rawpadgin:
dont know if its a sin or not, but i dont see myself stopping it anytime soonn

judging from your comment, you are addicted to it. So, u can go on in your addiction if u like, but posts like these are meant to enlighten and save, it can also judge and condemn.

marleyboy1991:
Am surprised the way people makes alchohol looks nice in the society but shun canabis even though it is visible from research that canabis is the most useful plant on earth......The World Needs Weed ....
So that we can all stand for our right!!

Pure fact, I don't weed but Concor to this, hppy new month.

SamJed:
Pls can someone answer me this If you see your pastor with a bottle of star in his front, what is the first thought that will come to ur mind Drinking alcohol leads to sin because there is every probability that u will abuse it, from one bottle to two to three...am sure u won't want to see ur pastor drinking because u expect him to be exceptional... No be the same heaven we dey go What is sweet about alcohol sef. The bible says abstain from all appearances of evil...alcohol is an appearance of evil cos there is every probability that u will get intoxicated...why use what u know has more disadvantage to ur body than its advantage... I have never taken alcohol and i will never take...and for the records it has never made me one inch weaker or less stronger...abstain from all appearances of evil that's my advice according to the bible...

Don't eat too cos gluttony is a sin and if the food is really good u will take more and more and more,much more than u actually need and that's gluttony.
Your logic is wrapped,the key here is self control which every adult should have. If you lack self control, it is not alcohol or food's fault that you are taking it excessively.
And to your question I won't be surprised if I see men of God with alcohol. Infact on Sundays we have dinner with our Priests and we all drink wine together while eating anf jisting and it's an evening I always look forward to cos there's so much love and happiness shared.

uzolexis:
Perfect example of pple twisting christian belief 2 fit their own opinion please give us a bible quotation 2 back this up.

Did you even read that scripture I quoted in my post?

Gods Spirit is bringing truth into light in recent times and damning the intuition from religion and religious people. I treated this topic on my fb page just a few weeks ago,and of cos religious people reacted,they will call u controversial and wanting to send people to hell without actually studying for themselves. For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad. - Mark 4:22

gradeA:
Did you even read that scripture I quoted in my post?

That John was told not to drink wine?? John also didn't live with pple,he stayed in the wilderness and he didn't shave his hair as well. I hope you are doing all that.

LEGALAide:
WINE: GOOD OR EVIL?

(What does the Bible teach?)

answers from the Bible



The English word "wine" comes from the Proto-Germanic "winam", an early borrowing from the Latin "vinum".

Wine is an alcoholic beverage made from fermented grapes or other fruits. Fermentation in wine making turns grape juice (or other fruits) into an alcoholic beverage. During fermentation, yeasts transform sugars present in the juice into ethanol and carbon dioxide (as a by-product). The natural chemical balance of grapes lets them ferment without the addition of sugars, acids, enzymes, water, or other nutrients. Yeast consumes the sugars in the grapes and converts them into alcohol and carbon dioxide. Different varieties of grapes and strains of yeasts produce different styles of wine. The well-known variations result from the very complex interactions between the biochemical development of the fruit, reactions involved in fermentation, terroir and subsequent appellation, along with human intervention in the overall process.
Wines made from produce besides grapes are usually named after the product from which they are produced (for example, rice wine, pomegranate wine, apple wine and elderberry wine) and are generically called fruit wine.

One of the first mentions of wine in Scripture is by Melchizedek, priest of the Most High God at Salem (Jerusalem) during the time of Abram, whose name was later changed to Abraham. Melchizedek “brought forth bread and wine”for Abram and his companions - Genesis 14:18. The Hebrew word translated wine in Genesis 14:18 is yayin. This word is used over 130 times in the Hebrew Bible to mean fermented wine, not grape juice.

Genesis 9:21 says that Noah drank too much yayin and became drunk. Lot also became drunk on this beverage - Genesis 19:30-36, and so did Nabal - 1 Samuel 25:36.
Nevertheless, God told his people to enjoy yayin at the yearly festivals - Deuteronomy 14:26. In addition to using wine as a beverage, God also commanded the Levitical priests to include in the sacrifices a portion of wine(yayin) as a drink offering - Exodus 29:40. A blessing of wine was prophesied as a heritage to the chosen people in Genesis 27:28: “May God give you heaven’s dew and earth’s richness — an abundance of grain and new wine[tirosh].”
The Hebrew word tirosh,meaning “new wine,” is used in 38 places in the Old Testament. People sometimes conclude that this word means grape juice, or fresh-pressed juice of the vine. However, Hosea 4:11 states: “Old wine [yayin] and new wine [tirosh] take away their understanding.” Grape juice could not have this effect.
These scriptures make it clear that there can be a right and a wrong use of wine.

Scripture has much to say regarding the drinking of alcohol. Leviticus 10:9; Numbers 6:3;Deuteronomy 29:6 ; ...encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…”
The Bible says that God gave wine to make men glad - Psalm 104:15.
What God commands Christians regarding alcohol is to avoid drunkenness - Ephesians 5:18. The Bible condemns drunkenness and its effects - Proverbs 23:29-35. Christians are also commanded to not allow their bodies to be “mastered” by anything - 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19. Drinking alcohol in excess is undeniably addictive. Scripture also forbids a Christian from doing anything that might offend other Christians or encourage them to sin against their conscience - 1 Corinthians 8:9-13. In light of these principles, it would be extremely difficult for any Christian to say he is drinking alcohol in excess to the glory of God - 1 Corinthians 10:31.

Jesus changed water into wine. It even seems that Jesus drank wine on occasion - John 2:1-11; Matthew 26:29.
John the Baptist did not drink wine (oinos in the Greek) or any other form of alcohol because it was prophesied that he wouldn’t (being a Nazarite) - Luke 1:15. However, Jesus Christ did drink oinos (wine) - Matthew 11:19: "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.”; Luke 7:34. Jesus did not preach against the use of wine; instead he did like most other Jews of his day. He drank wine in moderation.
In ancient times it was normally diluted with water for drinking, and was one of the principal beverages at that time — as it is today.

Jesus gave a parable involving the fermenting process of oinos in Matthew 9:17. At that time, instead of having metal or glass bottles to enclose wine, the skins of animals were used. The fermentation of the wine could burst an old skin, but it would not break a new stretchable skin.

In New Testament times, the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation, the water was often filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminants. The same is true in many third-world countries today. As a result, people often drank wine (or grape juice) because it was far less likely to be contaminated. In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul was instructing Timothy to stop drinking the water (which was probably causing his stomach problems) and instead drink wine. In that day, wine was fermented (containing alcohol), but not necessarily to the degree it is today. It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine commonly used today.

THE QUESTION PEOPLE KEEP ASKING IS: "DID JESUS TURN WATER INTO WINE OR GRAPE JUICE"?

John chapter 2 records Jesus performing a miracle at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. The point of the account is summarized in John 2:11, "He thus revealed His glory, and His disciples put their faith in Him." Usually, though, when this passage is studied, a side issue becomes the main issue. Did Jesus transform the water into wine (fermented, alcoholic) or into grape juice (non-alcoholic)?

Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice.

Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms.
Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.”
Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.”
Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing.
Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…”
From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful - Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19. Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol.

A second related argument is that by creating alcoholic wine, Jesus would have been promoting drunkenness, which the Bible clearly identifies as sinful. This is not a valid argument. Was Jesus promoting gluttony when He multiplied the fishes and loaves far beyond what the people needed? Of course not. Creating a substance that can be abused does not make one responsible when another person foolishly chooses to abuse it. Jesus creating alcoholic wine was in no sense encouraging drunkenness.

The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos. The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful or that the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John:2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine.

Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is drunkenness an addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from - Ephesians 5:18; 1 Corinthians 6:12.
Alcohol, consumed in small quantities, is neither harmful nor addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of small quantities of alcohol is a matter of Christian freedom. Drunkenness and addiction are sinful. However, due to the biblical concerns regarding alcohol and its effects, due to the easy temptation to consume alcohol in excess, and due to the possibility of causing offense and/or stumbling of others, it is often best for a Christian to abstain from drinking alcohol.

There is only one group of people who are explicitly told in the Bible to never drink wine/alcohol, and that is the Nazirites - Numbers 6:1–4. Jesus was not a Nazirite; He was a “Nazarene,” a native of the town of Nazareth - Luke 18:37. Jesus never took the Nazirite vow.

Christ’s first miracle of turning water into wine at the wedding at Cana almost certainly involved a fermented beverage. According to Jewish wedding tradition, fermented wine was always served at weddings; if Jesus had provided only grape juice, the master of the feast would have complained. Instead, he said the wine was better than what was previously served; it was apparently a “fine” wine - John 2:10–11.

The Greek word for “drunk” in John 2:10 is methuo, which means “to be drunken” or intoxicated. It is the same word used in Acts 2:15 where Peter is defending the apostles against accusations of drunkenness. The testimony of the master of the feast is that the wine Christ produced was able to intoxicate.

Of course, just because Jesus turned water into wine doesn’t prove that He drank the wine at the wedding, but it would have been normal for Him to do so. What it does prove is that Jesus doesn’t condemn drinking wine any more than He condemns eating bread. Sinful people abuse what is not inherently sinful. Bread and wine are not sinful, but gluttony and drunkenness are - Proverbs 23:2; Ephesians 5:18.


In Luke 7:33–44, Jesus said, “For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!". In verse 33 Jesus is making a contrast between John the Baptist’s “drinking no wine” and His own practice. Jesus goes on to say the religious leaders accused Him (falsely) of being a drunkard. Jesus was never a drunkard, any more than He was a glutton. He lived a completely sinless life - 1 Peter 2:22; however Luke 7 strongly suggests that Jesus did indeed partake of alcoholic wine.

The Passover celebration would also have commonly included fermented wine. The Scriptures use the term “fruit of the vine” - Matthew 26:27–29; Mark 14:23–25; Luke 22:17–18. Of course, Christ participated in drinking from the Passover cup - Mark 14:23).

All Christians would agree drunkenness is sinful, and Christ Himself warns against it - Luke 12:45. However, a biblical view of wine is that it is given as something to delight in - Psalm 104:14–15. There are plenty of warnings against alcohol abuse, in texts like Proverbs 20:1, because sinful men are more likely to abuse wine than to use it in moderation. Those who try to use Jesus’ probable use of wine to excuse their drunkenness should heed the warning in Luke 12:45. Christians who want to keep a biblical view of drinking wine should either drink in moderation, never to drunkenness, or abstain totally.
The Lord be with you.

- O.S. Emejulu

CC Lalasticlala

...I am a muslim and according to my own understanding,alchol is strictly prohibited...and if u are to take alchol u most not go close to a place of worship...and taking alchol in islam,ur prayers will not be accepted for good (40)forty days....so why taking it..?God knws Best for us...

So4baba:
Like I said earlier, I DON'T drink, and I don't preach nor support it, but supposing I go to a Christian brother's house, who is apparently NOT lacking in scriptural knowledge on this subject matter and I find wines in his house, do I become offended? , wld my conscience be hurt? , wld I think he has committed sin? wld I think he is now less a Christian? , wld I even think the holy spirit isn't in him? Or wld I conclude he lacks knowledge? NO!, because I have the knowledge that he is at liberty to drink wine.. But if the brother drinks carelessly( not meaning excessively or getting drunk) and he becomes an hindrance by giving offence to other people or brothers by making them sin because of his liberty, then ,HE SINs!!.. Romans 14(whole chapter) ,,1st Corinthians 10 vs 32...
So this is basically why drinking isn't edifying or helpful for a Christian, because even when you are certain you wnt get drunk,, yu cnt be certain you wnt offend others, and by so, you wnt be acting or fellowshiping in LOVE.. And this is basically why I don't drink and nt because wine in itself is a SIN.

my brother your point is convoluted.
Anyone who gets offended because someone's taking alcohol needs to....
Wait a minute...
someone getting offended?
Abeg say something else.
If you see a brother taking wine, not getting drunk, and you get offended, then you're unfortunate.

marleyboy1991:
Am surprised the way people makes alchohol looks nice in the society but shun canabis even though it is visible from research that canabis is the most useful plant on earth......The World Needs Weed ....
So that we can all stand for our right!!

Tell dem o... Hw many pple have died 4rm weed consumption? No one I know or heard of. #TeamLegalizeGanja

PastorandMentor:
All things are lawful,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build up. 1 Corinthians 10:23

So the question you should ask yourself; Does it build me up or destroy me?
Does it make me want lust after the opposite sex? Does it make me abuse people and disobey traffic and governed rules of the land? When you answer that question, judge yourself deep inside of you. Alcohol is a mocker. Be not drunk with wine but be filled with the spirit. God bless you.

It still said do not be "DRUNK". The op revealed truth,if u eat meat and it makes a brother weak in faith fall it is a sin to YOU. The Op has revealed all that should be,but religious and guilty people like yourself will never let others know this truth.

I will save this and wait for my Deeper life friends as they prepare for their Sunday routine.

crackhouse:
I will save this and wait for my Deeper life friends as they prepare for their Sunday routine.

save it asap

iamhorseman:
...I am a muslim and according to my own understanding,alchol is strictly prohibited...and if u are to take alchol u most not go close to a place of worship...and taking alchol in islam,ur prayers will not be accepted for good (40)forty days....so why taking it..?God knws Best for us...

Dts ur faith. D issue is being debated 4rm a Christian point of view.

So u think I'll sit down and read all these ?!!!!


I'll rather smoke weed
Alcohol is bad!!!

Shalom

Gaidenk:
It still said do not be "DRUNK". The op revealed truth,if u eat meat and it makes a brother weak in faith fall it is a sin to YOU. The Op has revealed all that should be,but religious and guilty people like yourself will never let others know this truth.

LEGALAide:
this young man is bent (Hell bent) on taking Igbo.
Abeg go ahead.
Forewarned is forearmed.

Why are Nigerians hell bent on insisting that anyone against an their opinion is guilty of that opinion

For the record. I don't smoke weed, I don't smoke cigarette n I don't drink alcohol.

Now Igboo has several health benefits like it reverses cancer causing cells in smokers, it eases all forms of chronic pain, it prevents spread of cancer cells, treats epileptic seizures and etc, it's proven medical importance are so great n thus over 20 governments has legalized its use both as recreation n mostly medical.

Radiation from ur bulbs, tv, phone, telecom mast, AC, fridge, etc are over 20 times deadlier than Igboo.

So relax ur self n stop claiming pastor.

gradeA:
Did you even read that scripture I quoted in my post?

So Jesus wasn't filled with d Holy Spirit wen he turned water In2 wine? What of during d last supper? Any Christian demonizing moderate alcohol consumption is nothing but a modern day pharisee.

haywire07:
So u think I'll sit down and read all these ?!!!!


I'll rather smoke weed
Alcohol is bad!!!

my friend is already under the influence....

uzolexis:
That John was told not to drink wine?? John also didn't live with pple,he stayed in the wilderness and he didn't shave his hair as well. I hope you are doing all that.

& also feeding solely on locust & wild honey & also wearing a garment made of camel fur... Don't 4get 2 remind him of D rest.

LEGALAide:
Remember too that john never shaved his hair.
Hope you don't shave yours.
Just asking Mr. Man.

... That was so funny.

chuna1985:
Why are Nigerians hell bent on insisting that anyone against an their opinion is guilty of that opinion

For the record. I don't smoke weed, I don't smoke cigarette n I don't drink alcohol.

Now Igboo has several health benefits like it reverses cancer causing cells in smokers, it eases all forms of chronic pain, it prevents spread of cancer cells, treats epileptic seizures and etc, it's proven medical importance are so great n thus over 20 governments has legalized its use both as recreation n mostly medical.

Radiation from ur bulbs, tv, phone, telecom mast, AC, fridge, etc are over 20 times deadlier than Igboo.

So relax ur self n stop claiming pastor.

you made some point, but not in your last paragraph.
If Igbo is the panacea for cancer, then will I be correct to say that cancer has got an ultimate cure?

PastorandMentor:
Shalom

GRACE

No matter how good you are in twisting the bible, I refused to be brainwashed by your epistle.

basically, I know two doctrines faced with these kinda believe and other bible-twisted unrealistic believes they are ready to poison your mind with to the extent that you need not argue with them. just tell them

"live by what you believe while I live by what I believe"


so, I will pass.