davidylan:

It is true that we are born with the nature to sin but we are also born with a natural inclination towards the opposite sex . . .

That was the natural order . . . even after Adam and Eve fell that order still prevailed.

But, actually, some same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom.

Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.
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m_nwankwo:

These are my views on the issue you raised. Their has to be a distinction between the image of God that is man and what this image chose to become as a result of his or her free will. My sensing is that man was sinless at the time God created him or her and the image of God which is man is also sinless in its nature. However this image of God has a free will which can lead to decisions in contradiction to its nature, the image of God. Thus a crude analogy is that man as he is created by God is a diamond that shines. But if this diamond is thrown into a mud, the dirt can cover the brilliance of this diamond that people can no longer recognise the diamond. Inspite of this, the mud or dirt only covers the diamond but is not part of the diamond, that is the mud or dirt is not an intrinsic nature of the daimond, rather it is external to the nature of the diamond and can thus be washed away.

Homosexuality like all sins is not a part of the image of God or the spirit. However through the decision to taste impure currents, the spirit can acquire the mud of homosexuality. The thickness of the acquired mud can become so powerful that it entirely covers the brilliance of the spirit and strongly predisposes the person to incline to homosexuality. Thus in some cases of homosexuality, the individuals are born with the inclination to become homosexuals. Some other cases of homosexuality are only acquired during adulescence, adulthood. This later case can easily be treated and cured but the earlier case in which people are born with a strong inclination to be homosexual is difficult to treat except if God through his called servants intervene in the matter.

My views are not based on the bible but I hope it will be helpful. Stay blessed.

OLAADEGBU:

@Poster,

Since the fall of man sin has done a lot of damage to what is natural as you will see people are now inclined to bestiality, homosexuality, polygamy and paedophilia.  Most of which is acquired by child abuse and strange upbringing and what they have been exposed to when they were young and indoctrinated with.  These secular humanists have now influenced governments to be teaching these weird practises to kindergartens, no wonder they grow up to think that they were born gay which the likes of Huxley would be excited about and which says so much for their morality if they have any.

morpheus24:

@ poster


As it is evident that people are born black , white, brown yellow short, tall, retarded, intelligent, weak, strong,dumb, stupid, slow,transsexual, hemaphrodites,conjoined,

i don't think any one chose any of the above attributes. Therefore it is quite plausible to say I am of the opinion. People are born gay and do not choose this inclination.

Even animals, who do not have the nature of God neither were created in His image naturally gravitate towards members of the opposite sex.

This behaviour even exist naturally in animals and has been very well documented it has been proven scietifically that it is not a mental illness.

So what is the explanation for the people who deviate from this 'natural inclination'?

JeSoul:

Thank you for your response Nwankwo.
Your views may not be based on the bible but there's a lotta biblical truth in it. I lose you when you make the seperation btw "those who were born gay" and "those who develop it". Care to explain further how some come with it and others don't?

Thanks.

Tayo-UK:

Simple answer to your question is NO

davidylan:

It is true that we are born with the nature to sin but we are also born with a natural inclination towards the opposite sex. Even animals, who do not have the nature of God neither were created in His image naturally gravitate towards members of the opposite sex.

the bible is CLEAR - Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

That was the natural order . . . even after Adam and Eve fell that order still prevailed.

m_nwankwo:

Thanks JeSoul. I will attempt to give my perception on the issues you raised. Homosexuality is sexual attraction towards the same sex. Such attraction is not limited to physical sexual relationships alone but include our thoughts, emotions, motivations and even what happens in our dreams. Homosexuality is a distortion of the will of God and it is human beings via their free will that gave rise to this abberation. There are those who are born with a strong inclination or disposition to become homosexuals. Such individauls possees the strong inclination to homosexuality brought about by their genes. At the moment no group of genes are yet associated with homosexuality but I predict that genetic profiling of a large number of those whose stories suggest that they are born with the predisposition will reveal significant differences in their genes, its expression as well as the nature of their brains compared to genuinely heterosexual individuals. That they are born with the inclination does not mean that they are born homosexauls, rather they have a high probability of becoming one due to underlying genetic factors. Most people in this category often fight a loosing battle that drives them to despair because they clearly sense the aberration but are powerless to stop it. Counselling and therapies are often useless because the reason for the distortion which is reflected in their genes lies in activitities that happened before birth. At this point, you may regard what I will say as strange but I will still say it and hopefully some of it may be helpful.

Our life presently on earth is not the first time we have been on earth. All human beings have been here several times in different guises, nationality, religion and in some cases in different sexes. Thus what happens to us in this life is a snapshort of our entire existence, that means that some of the things we are presently experiencing in this life time have its causes, not in this life time but in a previous earth lives, that is in previous incarnations as human beings on earth. The image of God that is man, the spirit have the ability given to it by God to bring forms from formless power of God. These forms include our bodies (both physically visible and invincible). Our earthly body is the densest and it is one that everybody can see with his or her physical eyes. The spirit also forms the earthly body through the nature of its activity. God created us as either male or female spirits. Thus the human spirit is a split species. Male spirits form male bodies while female spirits form female bodies. That is the way God made it. But if a male spirit start to engage in activities that are feminine, it forms female bodies including a female physical body. Thus when this distortion happens, you have a male soul entrapped in a female body and a female soul entrapped in a male body. Individuals gifted with claivoyant abilities can clearly see that outwardly, that is in his physical body, he is a woman but the soul is a man. Thus, those who are born with the strong inclination to be homosexuals distorted the nature of their activities in a previous earth life which then have a physical materialization in this present life. Thus they are male souls in female bodies and female souls in male bodies. Because it is a female soul in a male body, it can be sexually attracted to female souls in female bodies that are not born with the predisposition to be gay but are developing homosexual tendencies in this life or is attracted to a male soul in a female body. Thus although the body is female, the soul is male and this weak male soul (outwardly a woman) is attracted weak female soul in a female body that is in the process of distortion or to a weak female soul in a mans body (outwardly a man). Thus in one case you find sexual attraction between people of the same physical sex because one is outwordly a woman (weak male soul) and the other is a weak female soul (outwardly a woman) but striving towards male charcteristics. Thus in this scenarion you find an effeminate man (outwordly a man but harbouring a female soul) attracted to another effeminate man (outwardy a man, inwardly a man but acquiring feminine characteristics). The other scenario which people think is heterosexual but is intrinsically homosexual is where an effeminate man (female soul in male body) is attracted to a masculine woman (male soul in a female body). However except you are gifted with the ability to see the soul, it will be wrong to make judjements based on what is physically and emotionally observable. There are a lot more to this than what I have described. In summary people who are born with with the inclination to be inwardly homosexuals sowed the seeds for homosexuality in a previous earth life and those seeds come to fruitfication in this earth life.

m_nwankwo:

These are my views on the issue you raised. Their has to be a distinction between the image of God that is man and what this image chose to become as a result of his or her free will. My sensing is that man was sinless at the time God created him or her and the image of God which is man is also sinless in its nature. However this image of God has a free will which can lead to decisions in contradiction to its nature, the image of God. Thus a crude analogy is that man as he is created by God is a diamond that shines. But if this diamond is thrown into a mud, the dirt can cover the brilliance of this diamond that people can no longer recognise the diamond. Inspite of this, the mud or dirt only covers the diamond but is not part of the diamond, that is the mud or dirt is not an intrinsic nature of the daimond, rather it is external to the nature of the diamond and can thus be washed away.

Homosexuality like all sins is not a part of the image of God or the spirit. However through the decision to taste impure currents, the spirit can acquire the mud of homosexuality. The thickness of the acquired mud can become so powerful that it entirely covers the brilliance of the spirit and strongly predisposes the person to incline to homosexuality. Thus in some cases of homosexuality, the individuals are born with the inclination to become homosexuals. Some other cases of homosexuality are only acquired during adulescence, adulthood. This later case can easily be treated and cured but the earlier case in which people are born with a strong inclination to be homosexual is difficult to treat except if God through his called servants intervene in the matter.

My views are not based on the bible but I hope it will be helpful. Stay blessed.

dalaman:

I personally believe that a person can be born gay, I have come across a lot of gay people here in Europe and I believe them when they say that they did not chose their sexuality. [/b]This behaviour even exist naturally in animals and has been very well documented it has been [b]proven scietifically that it is not a mental illness.

Secretz:

Ok,I will not go on religious grounds, because I know what I believe the answer is.


The responses I received were that since being little, they have always felt different and that they never had an interest in the opposite sex, like there was no form of 'attraction' not in the slightest. They were interested in different toys, games etc etc and as they grew older, they became 'aware' that yes infact they were gay, they could only really confirm their 'gay-ness' often after doing the 'act'. One of my gay colleagues, actually said 'I am a devout christian, I read my bible, I go to church every sunday, I pay my tithes, I preach the word'.
This confused me because I then told him that christianity and being gay, doesn't really go hand in hand, God made Adam and Eve, man and woman, that relatively he is committing a sin. He said, 'I'm sorry, but this is just the way I have felt since I can remember'.

m_nwankwo:

Thanks JeSoul. I will attempt to give my perception on the issues you raised. Homosexuality is sexual attraction towards the same sex. Such attraction is not limited to physical sexual relationships alone but include our thoughts, emotions, motivations and even what happens in our dreams. Homosexuality is a distortion of the will of God and it is human beings via their free will that gave rise to this abberation. There are those who are born with a strong inclination or disposition to become homosexuals. Such individauls possees the strong inclination to homosexuality brought about by their genes. At the moment no group of genes are yet associated with homosexuality but I predict that genetic profiling of a large number of those whose stories suggest that they are born with the predisposition will reveal significant differences in their genes, its expression as well as the nature of their brains compared to genuinely heterosexual individuals. That they are born with the inclination does not mean that they are born homosexauls, rather they have a high probability of becoming one due to underlying genetic factors. Most people in this category often fight a loosing battle that drives them to despair because they clearly sense the aberration but are powerless to stop it. Counselling and therapies are often useless because the reason for the distortion which is reflected in their genes lies in activitities that happened before birth. At this point, you may regard what I will say as strange but I will still say it and hopefully some of it may be helpful.

Our life presently on earth is not the first time we have been on earth. All human beings have been here several times in different guises, nationality, religion and in some cases in different sexes. Thus what happens to us in this life is a snapshort of our entire existence, that means that some of the things we are presently experiencing in this life time have its causes, not in this life time but in a previous earth lives, that is in previous incarnations as human beings on earth. The image of God that is man, the spirit have the ability given to it by God to bring forms from formless power of God. These forms include our bodies (both physically visible and invincible). Our earthly body is the densest and it is one that everybody can see with his or her physical eyes. The spirit also forms the earthly body through the nature of its activity. God created us as either male or female spirits. Thus the human spirit is a split species. Male spirits form male bodies while female spirits form female bodies. That is the way God made it. But if a male spirit start to engage in activities that are feminine, it forms female bodies including a female physical body. Thus when this distortion happens, you have a male soul entrapped in a female body and a female soul entrapped in a male body. Individuals gifted with claivoyant abilities can clearly see that outwardly, that is in his physical body, he is a woman but the soul is a man. Thus, those who are born with the strong inclination to be homosexuals distorted the nature of their activities in a previous earth life which then have a physical materialization in this present life. Thus they are male souls in female bodies and female souls in male bodies. Because it is a female soul in a male body, it can be sexually attracted to female souls in female bodies that are not born with the predisposition to be gay but are developing homosexual tendencies in this life or is attracted to a male soul in a female body. Thus although the body is female, the soul is male and this weak male soul (outwardly a woman) is attracted weak female soul in a female body that is in the process of distortion or to a weak female soul in a mans body (outwardly a man). Thus in one case you find sexual attraction between people of the same physical sex because one is outwordly a woman (weak male soul) and the other is a weak female soul (outwardly a woman) but striving towards male charcteristics. Thus in this scenarion you find an effeminate man (outwordly a man but harbouring a female soul) attracted to another effeminate man (outwardy a man, inwardly a man but acquiring feminine characteristics). The other scenario which people think is heterosexual but is intrinsically homosexual is where an effeminate man (female soul in male body) is attracted to a masculine woman (male soul in a female body). However except you are gifted with the ability to see the soul, it will be wrong to make judjements based on what is physically and emotionally observable. There are a lot more to this than what I have described. In summary people who are born with with the inclination to be inwardly homosexuals sowed the seeds for homosexuality in a previous earth life and those seeds come to fruitfication in this earth life.

The other group are people who are not born with the inclination but acquired the tendency during childhood, adolecence, adulthood or even at old age. The physical body of this group will not change in this life, that is they remain a woman but if they have stroven towards male charateristics, they will be reincarnated as a man in the next earth life. The same goes for a man who strives for feminine activities. In the next incarnation the soul will be incarnated as a woman. Child molestation, tasting of impure vibrations like pornography, reading impure books and movies glamorising physical sexuality, sexual perversions, and occultic practices are some of the activities that can distort the pure nature of the male or female spirit sowing the seeds whose fruits in this life or another will result in homopsexuality outwardly and inwardly. As I said in my last post,  the sin of homosexuality can be atoned for and cured but it requires the participation of one called by God, given the necessary power to help the soul cure its distortion.

Lastly an . Stay blessed.

 

JustGood:

the bolded is utter nonsense. You cant claim to be a christian and say practice unashamedly, the very thing that christainity is completely against. Such people are not to be found near any bible-believing church.

It's either you're a bible-believing christian or not! You cant say you are a christian and proclaim something contrary to enshrined christian doctrine.

Secretz:

Well, I agree with you 100%. I do not believe people are born  gay; environment,circumstances, upbringing and many other underlining factors influence. The point that many people especially in the western world see it as being 'okay' or nothing soo bad, helps to influence even more.

What really gets me, is the so called gay pastors and priests!  

JustGood:

Gay pastor sha! Anyone can call himself pastor abi?

So, when gay pastor wants to preach and gets to the part where the bible condemns homosexuality, what will he say?

The world has turned upside down