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braine:
I just hope all those in Lagos clamouring for Biafra are ready to move back to the biafra. If not, thats where wahala will start.

so that hunger will kill your lazy family?

Setaje:
And I am hundred percent certain biafra will never be different from the rest of Africa. Likewise oduduwa republic or the north. if this igbos could come out like this for Nnamdi Kanu, defying rain and police brutality, why couldn't they do the same for their governor? Why couldn't they do the same for their senators, why couldn't they do the same for their local government chairman? Those are the people representing them. Those are their voices, those are the people who could have made life better for them, this same youths would see their governor tomorrow and hail them. Would go and beg for common borehole from their local government chairman and councillors. How do u rationalise this?


Isn't something wrong wiv the black mind

These are a very cogent questions .....for "discerning minds"!

*Why did IPOB not raise this kind of "hell", when they have a better chance of achieving results, (under Jonathan)?
*Why did Nnamdi kanu not "air" his Radio Biafra treasonous statements, so loudly, under GEJ, when he would probably recieve a "warm reception"?

*Why did the Ibos not show this kind of 'anger' at their Chairmen and Governors, who "collect and loot" their share of the National cake? Yet they waste their energy on Fashola, Governor of Lagos!

*WHY NOW? When a Northerner is the President... and a Westerner is the Vice President?

A lot of people are asking these same questions!


[b]A "school of thought" examines these issues critically and came to the conclusion that"

"Ibo agitations are primarily driven by hatred (of the Yorubas), rabid Anger (at the Hausas), "sense of".. and a "plot for" vengeance (towards the Yorubas), Hypocrisy (towards and within their own tribesmen), mischief (at the whole polity, to cause mayhem) and a sense of weakness/failure (for under-achieving, within the Nigerian political spectrum).

Thus, such agitations are not only bound to fail as they are based on "non-altruistic and emotional premise", such agitations are viewed with suspicion, by everyone else and therefore not taken seriously.

This is a honest assessment, from someone on "the other side" of the divide but then, l wont expect any Ibo person to agree with it because that would be an admission of failure...something which "Ego and Self-pride cum self-delusion", will not permit, .....qualities which the Ibo persona has in very high dosage[/b].

My Take.



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adanny01:
One reason i really want Biafra is the fact that it may be worst than South Sudan. I supported south Sudan for their independance but got the shocker when they turned on themselves.

With Igbo the majority in Biafra, it spells doom which the average Niger Delta isnt aware due to hate of the Hausa. I think an Igbo man is more of a threat to a Niger Deltan than a Hausa man. The Niger Deltan will most likely see more of "his resource" in the hands of Igbo and will likely kick against it once again and the whole circle repeats but this time there is no going back for the Niger Deltan. Hausa man is the majority in Nigeria and Igbo is majority in Biafra. One way or the other the Niger Deltan will not be satisfied and its the same problem in Nigeria or Biafra.

It is always true that you dont know what you have until you lose it. The Niger Deltan who thinks he lost in Nigeria will certainly lose more in Biafra and the war continues.Biafra isnt about the South South but the South East. Those South South who have decide to join the South East are taking their region for a big ride that will spell doom.

well i would like you to know that citizens of biafra and the niger delta are educated and civilised and are their brother's keepers...they aint prone to parasitism or get down with the DOG IN THE MANGER theory...they aint lazy neither do they wait for others to toil and labor for them to reap where they never sowed....
Am sorry,but you sound more like the devil's advocate hell bent on setting brethren apart..be careful,thats something God hates so much..

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Both, all, everything and nothing!

Just look at how they agitate for "Biafra", then fight for appointments with Buhari, then claim Lagos belongs to them, then say they want to buy the South West, then run-away from their homeland, then want to form "attachee" with South-South due to their crude oil, then come over to contest for election, even in the South West, then claim to be Israelites even though Natenyahu has said Israel has nothing to do with them!.... blah-blah-blah!!!

What serious manner of secessionists do that?
Even women do better than that now? ....... u nor say our sisters nor know wetin dem want sometimes!



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we call it the scatter and dominate strategy and it got you all running like rabbits now
even akiolu is foaming in the mouth now.

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Everything is not Federal Govt!

As a matter of fact, what the STATE (State Govt and Local Govt) takes from the National Cake, is bigger than what accrues to the Federal Govt, per state!

We are focusing too much attention on the Federal govt while neglecting the "Big Criminals"... who are the State Government and Local govt Chairmen who just collect and steal their allocations!

Imagine if all "Street Roads" which are the responsibility of Local govt, are tarred and well laid with Gutters?
Imagine if the State Government compliments this with Major Roads in the state, well tarred and supported with proper drainage?

You think if this is done, anyone will remember we even have or need a federal govt?

The point l am making is that until we Nigerians remove this "federal Govt" tribalism and bigotry from our mindset and start stoning these Governors and especially the LGA chairmen, until, then, we will just continue to suffer and go round in circles.


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oga,if you read my post very well,you would understand i didnt in anywhere say that Fed Govt. should take over State Govt duties

The Work of the fed Govt. is to build Federal Roads&major bridges like 2nd Niger bridge,Clean up Oil spillages..etc..This is there primary job.Am not going to start singing all about Electricity,jobs,Security ish..this is the basic works of the govt and its not what we are seeing..For me to travel from Enugu down to Anambra,i have to take a different route..And if one takes into Acct what people agitating for Biafra wants,they are asking for 3 things just like the Niger Deltans are asking for good roads,portable water,jobs among other things;
Equal opportunities at Federal Level,Rehabilitation of Major Roads&2nd Niger Bridge..its not like they are asking for presidency or Security or jobs in which we all know that an average igbo man doesnt depend on govt before he feeds..
Its Easy for us to criticise people and think they are acting crazy but until you fully understand what they go through,you would think twice.Niger Delta Regions are a perfect example

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These are a very cogent questions .....for "discerning minds"!

*Why did IPOB not raise this kind of "hell", when they have a better chance of achieving results, (under Jonathan)?
*Why did Nnamdi kanu not "air" his Radio Biafra treasonous statements, so loudly, under GEJ, when he would probably recieve a "warm reception"?

*Why did the Ibos not show this kind of 'anger' at their Chairmen and Governors, who "collect and loot" their share of the National cake? Yet they waste their energy on Fashola, Governor of Lagos!

*WHY NOW? When a Northerner is the President... and a Westerner is the Vice President?

A lot of people are asking these same questions!


[b]A "school of thought" examines these issues critically and came to the conclusion that"

"Ibo agitations are primarily driven by hatred (of the Yorubas), rabid Anger (at the Hausas), "sense of".. and a "plot for" vengeance (towards the Yorubas), Hypocrisy (towards and within their own tribesmen), mischief (at the whole polity, to cause mayhem) and a sense of weakness/failure (for under-achieving, within the Nigerian political spectrum).

Thus, such agitations are not only bound to fail as they are based on "non-altruistic and emotional premise", such agitations are viewed with suspicion, by everyone else and therefore not taken seriously.

This is a honest assessment, from someone on "the other side" of the divide but then, l wont expect any Ibo person to agree with it because that would be an admission of failure...something which "Ego and Self-pride cum self-delusion", will not permit, .....qualities which the Ibo persona has in very high dosage[/b].

My Take.



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Stupid set of questions from a deluded mind so lazy to reason. How can I give you an answer if your questions are borne out of an diseased mind.

Onyocha:
[b]how can five landlocked state form a country? the main agitators for Biafra are not after "emancipating" the Igbos from Nigeria but are after enslaving the minorities of the Niger Delta. The agitators for Biafra know that their dream will not be possible or sustainable with five landlocked states. they need an access to seaport and the resources of the Niger Delta to form a sustainable country. In other words, the Igbos for Biafra dream of replicating another Nigeria or a smaller version (without the north and south west) where the Igbos will dominate. and even if that goes on to happen, what guarantees are there that this state will remain united and further divisions will not happen? The ijaws and other minorities in the Niger Delta will surely kick against Igbo domination and will want their independence too. then, where will you place Edo, akwa ibom and Cross River? we are talking here of an unsustainable Biafra dividing into another four countries at least. in that case, and after the minorities who will be more in number than the Igbos overwhelm the igbos, it will be igbos themselves who will again agitate for Nigeria to return!!! a biafra will be a recipe for confusion, further divisions, bloodshed and a burden for west africa and the world. no body wants to welcome refugees, especially from a heavily populated country. therefore no one wants to touch the Pandora box.

in the north, there is also question of minorities. there is a christian minority. will they want to live outside a unified Nigeria? can biafra give them solutions? or will further division take place? talking about referendum, that is not feasible in Nigeria at all. Igbos are scattered all over the country with investments and businesses across the country. will only Igbos take part in a referendum? and what of those igbos outside the five landlocked and impoverished states? the Igbos are the most scattered ethnic group in Nigeria, yet some idle people want separation. if you truly want separation, the first thing to do is to develop your five states. do not place any eye on the South South or the oil of the Niger Delta. even if your dream come to happen, that unity with the South South will not last. after you develop your state, then ask your brothers scattered all over the country to return. they will not. why? because five landlocked states cannot sustain themselves. if your five states are an economic model and paradise on earth, it will be the other way round. people from all around Nigeria and even the world will be rushing to your states; not Igbos rushing to other states. Dubai is still part of the UAE yet it attracts investments from the world over. how many multinational companies and foreign ovestors are found in the south east?

if those neo-Biafran agitators are sincere about their call for independence, then it is very sorry for them. this is a call without foresight. and if they are not sincere, and they are simply doing it because a northerner they dont like is the president of the country, then they are going about the wrong way. you had your chance to vote and you voted in the wrong direction-ethnicity and religion. Nigeria voted to move away from ethnicity and religious barriers. what are you therefore complaining about? if you want the attention of the president, you dont ask for it using threat of division and war. the catastrophic results of war will be unbearable even for the agitators.

the solution, and that is the bitter pill Igbos have to swallow, is for, at least, there to be political unity with the north. if the yorubas can do it, then why cant the igbos? get over bitterness and division and threats. there should be diversity in opinions and choices in the south east. do not place your eggs in one political party or in the basket of ethnicism and religionism and regionalism. even europe that was divided into small nation states has united to form a powerful european union. there is power in unity. today Nigeria is a strong country and seen as such. who will consider biafra or give it relevance that Nigeria enjoys today? and to become independent, you need international support. it is not enough for you to clamor for independence. you need the UN; and the UN has powerful countries which must agree you deserve independence and they are ready to work with you if you become independent. as much as foreign interference in any country's affairs is repugnant, if other countries dont fly your flag in their capital, your passport will not be recognized.[/b]

We've read all these crap from naysayer. Infact the greater the naysayers the greater our resolve to do away with the children of uthman dan fodio.

Mr hausawa abooki, the protector of the SS, the killer of their leaders and the looter of their resources and destroyer of their ecosystem. You think the Nigerdelta are fools? Every Biafran province will own its
resources 100%. Igbo Biafrans have
fared well without oil billions and
morever the oil value is falling everyday.
Just go tend to your cows. Biafrans
have one destiny. We have nothing in common with the crude and cruel children of uthman dan fodio who wear their bedsheets on their heads.

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That is an "error of assumption"!


Because Yorubas "can do it" ... ....does not mean Ibos can do it as well.

In all honesty and truthfulness, ....

[size=14pt]Yorubas "can do it' because they are very intelligent, sublime, sophisticated and highly evolved Race.[/size]

Now tell me, if those "Gra-Gra, Chest-beating, Hate-filled, Treacherous" Ibos .....have ANY of those qualities?

Your guess is as good as mine.
Nor be today, Abeg.



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you have a point. I expected them to see seeming sidelining as a challenge they'd face, play better politics; try being allies with the North, or something like that. But No, they chose to chicken out. They forget that what goes around ultimately comes around.

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These are a very cogent questions .....for "discerning minds"!

*Why did IPOB not raise this kind of "hell", when they have a better chance of achieving results, (under Jonathan)?
*Why did Nnamdi kanu not "air" his Radio Biafra treasonous statements, so loudly, under GEJ, when he would probably recieve a "warm reception"?

*Why did the Ibos not show this kind of 'anger' at their Chairmen and Governors, who "collect and loot" their share of the National cake? Yet they waste their energy on Fashola, Governor of Lagos!

*WHY NOW? When a Northerner is the President... and a Westerner is the Vice President?

A lot of people are asking these same questions!


[b]A "school of thought" examines these issues critically and came to the conclusion that"

"Ibo agitations are primarily driven by hatred (of the Yorubas), rabid Anger (at the Hausas), "sense of".. and a "plot for" vengeance (towards the Yorubas), Hypocrisy (towards and within their own tribesmen), mischief (at the whole polity, to cause mayhem) and a sense of weakness/failure (for under-achieving, within the Nigerian political spectrum).

Thus, such agitations are not only bound to fail as they are based on "non-altruistic and emotional premise", such agitations are viewed with suspicion, by everyone else and therefore not taken seriously.

This is a honest assessment, from someone on "the other side" of the divide but then, l wont expect any Ibo person to agree with it because that would be an admission of failure...something which "Ego and Self-pride cum self-delusion", will not permit, .....qualities which the Ibo persona has in very high dosage[/b].

My Take.

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Sir, let's take Kanu, the timing of the agitation, and the mentality/emotions of the average Igbo out of the equation. Let's look at Nigeria with a clear mind - do you actually believe Nigeria is a country and it can function properly like a country? You answer would be the premise for my next post.

Err...sometimes, it isn't always about the messenger and timing of an event. It's about grabbing an opportunity whenever it presents itself - hence folks will always tell you to be ever ready cos you never know when the opportunity will come.

Adiwana:
oga,if you read my post very well,you would understand i didnt in anywhere say that Fed Govt. should take over State Govt duties

The Work of the fed Govt. is to build Federal Roads&major bridges like 2nd Niger bridge,Clean up Oil spillages..etc..This is there primary job.Am not going to start singing all about Electricity,jobs,Security ish..this is the basic works of the govt and its not what we are seeing..For me to travel from Enugu down to Anambra,i have to take a different route..And if one takes into Acct what people agitating for Biafra wants,they are asking for 3 things just like the Niger Deltans are asking for good roads,portable water,jobs among other things;
Equal opportunities at Federal Level,Rehabilitation of Major Roads&2nd Niger Bridge..its not like they are asking for presidency or Security or jobs in which we all know that an average igbo man doesnt depend on govt before he feeds..
Its Easy for us to criticise people and think they are acting crazy but until you fully understand what they go through,you would think twice.Niger Delta Regions are a perfect example

Don't waste yoir time educating the useless idiott who thinks using multi coloured posts will elevate his thinking from that of a kindergarten class where multi colour is the norm

curfew:
ha ha ! The zoo IS f A l l i n g.

We're on the roads in our land. Haters come take the first shoot at us, then we arm our men, then you understand how we fight. 4ucking Bastards.

last I heard, one man was killed on friday! Or is that not enough to tro u into a feat of anger?

vanbonattel:
so that hunger will kill your lazy family?

Lol! Who told you Igbos feed us in Lagos?

Shymm3x:
Sir, let's take Kanu, the timing of the agitation, and the mentality/emotions of the average Igbo out of the equation. Let's look at Nigeria with a clear mind - do you actually believe Nigeria is a country and it can function properly like a country? You answer would be the premise for my next post.

Err...sometimes, it isn't always about the messenger and timing of an event. It's about grabbing an opportunity whenever it presents itself - hence folks will always tell you to be ever ready cos you never know when the opportunity will come.

You are wasting your time debating with that full. His brain is smaller that a peanut.

braine:
Lol! Who told you Igbos feed us in Lagos?

apart from looking for markets to shut down or exploit, what is the Yoruba good at?

braine:
you have a point. I expected them to see seeming sidelining as a challenge they'd face, play better politics; try being allies with the North, or something like that. But No, they chose to chicken out. They forget that what goes around ultimately comes around.

That is your expectations, ours is clear. BIAFRA.

vanbonattel:
You are wasting your time debating with that full. His brain is smaller that a peanut.

He's not a fool - he's an intelligent uncle. I'm sure trying to get his perspective.

And I believe he'll respond with something intelligent - unlike the other myopic girl that keeps spamming "what's wrong with the black mind" everywhere. Like the "black mind" is to blame for dumping all kinds of strange bedfellows into one big cesspit.

vanbonattel:
if this post is not filled with boast and useless chest beating, na wao for yorobbar hypocrisy!

Truth hurts...sooo bad and it is difficult to swallow!

Just for example, look at how Yorubas were able to "manage" their loss during the "MKO Abiola annulled election" (by a Northerner in person of Ibrahim Babangida), ......to the point of "immediately" producing a two-time Yoruba President, and now a Vice President and most likely the next President...
....and you will get what l mean when l say they are "sophisticated".

That is not boasting, it is just pointing out the obvious.

Now, imagine if MKO Abiola and what happened to him were to be of the Ibo race, l am sure, just as you are, that the outcome will be totally different, basically they will come out of it completely ruined, if they even come out at all.

That is the difference between the two races.


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vanbonattel:
apart from looking for markets to shut down or exploit, what is the Yoruba good at?

Really? That's your point? What I expected you to tell me is what iboes do apart from Spare parting and Okrika clothes they sell in Lagos. So that I can see how Lagosians are being fed by them.

Shymm3x:
He's not a fool - he's an intelligent uncle. I'm sure trying to get his perspective.

And I believe he'll respond with something intelligent - unlike the other myopic girl that keeps spamming "what's wrong with the black mind" everywhere. Like the "black mind" is to blame for dumping all kinds of strange bedfellows into one big cesspit.

Am afraid for his life, that was how Awolowo started before he ended up drinking a healthy dose of poison.

Ibos think they can foool us ND! We re jus watching dem! Ones Nigeria brake up we ND will go on our own!

braine:
Really? That's your point? What I expected you to tell me is what iboes do apart from Spare parting and Okrika clothes they sell in Lagos. So that I can see how Lagosians are being fed by them.

And end up feeding lazy bones with the proceed and even enough to build mansions in the east that is genius!

vanbonattel:
Am afraid for his life, that was how Awolowo started before he ended up drinking a healthy dose of poison.

STFU! What's the correlation between Awolowo and this thread?

Fvck off my mentions, prick.

Rapture007:
U re simply a fool or half-educated. Most of u just see a word and use it as u like cos u tink u understand its meaning, Treason u said? let ur government charge him naa. If u know the amount of threat not to talk of even insult Obama receives as a black man in White house and how CIA handles it u wouldnt come here and be talking trash. Idiat...go learn

you are the unenlightened one here.

How many of the insults obama receives were threats to US unity? How many called for the picking of arms against america?

Calling your president clueless or a dullard is quite different from saying you will blow up the country with arms and ammunitions the way nnamdi kanu does.

That's treason.

DaBullIT:
You blame UK, you blame US , you even twist history just to jerk off and feel satisfied

Guess what , UK does not give a flying Furck about Biafra or you , Neither does any part of the world

You know why ??


You thrive on lies and propaganda , if not for that, UK just gave freedom to a nation

Spain just did , they followed protocol, did not use propaganda


Kalu is in prison, what has your protest done ?

Better go back to sit down and reorganize

Biafra has no geographical area or border with everyone saying they are not part of Biafra

There's no source of Income, i assure you Nigeria won't just open her seas and borders to you


All stll on still, na God Win

British actually do give a dame. How else do u think bills like PIB are yet to see the like of the day? How else do think Nigeria will continually to them for help? My friend it is through a people who can be control with minimum effort as against the " oversabi " south

Setaje:
We have igbo senators. Igbo local government chairman, igbo governors, like wise yorubas , we have proffesionals working in this same government from every region. We've had hausas for many years in the government, we had a yoruba man, the Niger delta had jonathan and the igbos were greatly involved in that government. They give us our allocation every month, yet nothing changed. This is not a matter of biafra. This is a black man's problem. What u cannot get in Nigeria, u cannot get it in Biafra. Igbo leaders should have fought for massive development during jonathans time. They could not even fight for the Niger bridge. Who do u blame for that? Leaders emerge out of followers. What our leaders are doing to us is as a result of who we are. Africans should learn to fight the right battle. If not we would continue to be impoverished. Nothing will change. No african country is doing well except south Africa because the whites are firmly in control of their economy. We cannot continue to blame the white man for our woes. They saw that we were not developed hence they were able to partition us like animals. There is something inherently wrong wiv the black mind. Till we wake up. Till God illuminates our understanding. Nothing will change.


And I am hundred percent certain biafra will never be different from the rest of Africa. Likewise oduduwa republic or the north. if this igbos could come out like this for Nnamdi Kanu, defying rain and police brutality, why couldn't they do the same for their governor? Why couldn't they do the same for their senators, why couldn't they do the same for their local government chairman? Those are the people representing them. Those are their voices, those are the people who could have made life better for them, this same youths would see their governor tomorrow and hail them. Would go and beg for common borehole from their local government chairman and councillors. How do u rationalise this?


Isn't something wrong wiv the black mind

Nice write up! But unfortunately, a lot of us in d ND know d Ibos! And we knoww were their interest lies! And that is in d ND oil! They can foool many but they can't fool me or evybdy! We re silently watching dem!

Shymm3x:
He's not a fool - he's an intelligent uncle. I'm sure trying to get his perspective.

And I believe he'll respond with something intelligent

Shymm3x: Sir, let's take Kanu, the timing of the agitation, and the mentality/emotions of the average Igbo out of the equation. Let's look at Nigeria with a clear mind - do you actually believe Nigeria is a country and it can function properly like a country? You answer would be the premise for my next post.

Err...sometimes, it isn't always about the messenger and timing of an event. It's about grabbing an opportunity whenever it presents itself - hence folks will always tell you to be ever ready cos you never know when the opportunity will come.

Bros Shymex,

Nigeria is a country ... by geographical definition. It is recognised as a country, by the United Nations and it is soveriegn.

can it ("Is it" ...........is quite the correct way to put it) functioning "properly" like a country?
The answer to that is "No".

It has challenges, huge ones for that matter! from corruption to mal-administration, e.t.c.

NB: I have deliberately avoided mentioning that Nnamdi kanu and the many cogent questions l raised earlier... so that we can get a handle on this discussion because like l said, "timing is of essence", in any struggle.

NEXT..?


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Truth hurts...sooo bad and it is difficult to swallow!

Just for example, look at how Yorubas were able to "manage" their loss during the "MKO Abiola annulled election" (by a Northerner in person of Ibrahim Babangida), ......to the point of "immediately" producing a two-time Yoruba President, and now a Vice President and most likely the next President...
....and you will get what l mean when l say they are "sophisticated".

That is not boasting, it is just pointing out the obvious.

Now, imagine if MKO Abiola and what happened to him were to be of the Ibo race, l am sure, just as you are, that the outcome will be totally different, basically they will come out of it completely ruined, if they even come out at all.

That is the difference between the two races.



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Good analogy!

Now my own reading of the same example is pure cowardice. If the west stood up and challenged the north for once instead of the greed for presidency which still bastardized the country and left things the same, leaving us all still in this quagmire.

You are right, the Igbo would have reacted differently.

Its true... Any 50yr old man now was a kid when the war was being fought not even up a teenager. So all these protesters that are lusting after a war don't have a clear view of what is on their mind. Well, Nigeria can't break without a war. So I hope millions of Biafrans are ready to be in hell. Maybe that way we can sanitize Nigeria.

invincible007:
Its true... Any 50yr old man now was a kid when the war was being fought not even up a teenager. So all these protesters that are lusting after a war don't have a clear view of what is on their mind. Well, Nigeria can't break without a war. So I hope millions of Biafrans are ready to be in hell. Maybe that way we can sanitize Nigeria.

What changed in the last 50 years? It is certain that so many people are planning on being foot mats forever.

Unfortunately,the north has become the scapegoat here.once upon a time,a region that was know as very peaceful &accomodating to all&sundry irrespective of where you from.SWners&SEners thronged the north for economic activities&livelihood.the region was economically progressing not until the trigger-happy coupists(you know who)pointed guns at each other&spilled their own bloods.for the very first time in the history of this country,the seed of distrust was sown in our military.fear&apprehension gripped d whole nation&our unity was almost torn apart.Aguiyi in his political naivety via a unitary decree took from d north their sense of development&concentrate at the center.therefore,its either you have it all at the center or come cap in hand to the center.but unlike the south&east,the north are not naturally creative,forward thinking&academically inclined.hence the resolve to clinge to power. No lie only truth.

vanbonattel:
And end up feeding lazy bones with the proceed and even enough to build mansions in the east that is genius!

You are not sharp at all.

braine:
You are not sharp at all.

Your brain is still loading 0.001%