₦airaland Forum

yomexp:
i also remember eguerilla but he has deactivated his moniker long time ago.

Firefire:
Eyin omo Oduaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


Se emi na oni wa fi ara we "ona kan" o wo oja bayi ?

StuntingBlack:
You and I both know many there are many kidnap cases that end up costing the victims' lives. So what the fucck is the point of been trying to be civil here when it can never yeild good results?..

Aare, Abeg I concur.

My homestate needs far-reaching policies like these so we dont become Ogun State. We know how countless people lose their lives frequently as a result of so many of these deadly kidnap operations. What more? Little or nearly inexistent security guarantee for people's lives. Why then let kidnappers off the loose with mire opportunities to endanger more lives?

Osomalo:
Chief Fire, zimoni is in nl jail.

Aareonakakanfo:
[size=14pt]Ekiti Assembly to Pass Law Prescribing Death Penalty for Kidnappers[/size]


Members of the Ekiti State House of Assembly have moved to pass a bill to make kidnappers die by hanging in the state.

Expressing serious views over the twin menace of kidnapping and terrorism in the country, the assembly also moves to stipulate penalty for those who pay ransom to these evil doers.


To this end, two of the three laws that were deliberated upon at the assembly’s plenary yesterday dwelt on curbing of crimes that has to do with kidnapping that has become a source of revenues for some criminals.

They were Office of the Public Defender Bill (2015) and Ekiti State Kidnap and Terrorism (Prohibition) Bill (2015.

Both successfully passed second reading and were passed to the appropriate committees to scrutinise for final passage.

The plenary, presided over by the Speaker, Hon. Kola Oluwawole, witnessed a robust debate by members on the matters.

Presenting the bills from the order paper, Deputy Leader of Business, Hon. Adeniran Alagbada, lamented the trauma victims of kidnap and their family members are often subjected to.

Also speaking on the Public Defender Bill, the Chairman, House Committee on information, Hon. Olugboyega Aribisogan, noted that the bill would afford the poor who lack financial capability to pursue their cases the opportunity to access justice.

In the same vein, the Chairman, House Committee on Health, Dr. Babajide Omotoso; Hon. Akinleye Ekundayo, Hon. Titilayo

Owolabi-Akerele, Hon. Wale Ayeni and Ayodele Fajemilehin, who also contributed to the motions on the floor, described the bills as those that would have direct positive bearing on the lives of the people of the state.

Another law, Ekiti State College of Technical and Commercial Agriculture Repeal Bill (2015), had earlier passed through first reading.

Ex-Governor Kayode Fayemi had earlier signed the bill into law to enhance the establishment of a School of Agriculture in his Isan Ekiti country home, which the assembly thought would have to be abrogated due to poor financial status of the state.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/ekiti-assembly-to-pass-law-prescribing-death-penalty-for-kidnappers/225946/


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the assembly also moves to stipulate penalty for those who pay ransom to these evil doers.

TerraCotta:
I focused on Lagos when discussing Tinubu because that's the state he governed and had the most direct influence on. He may have been a strong factor in the emergence of other Yoruba governors but it's not the same thing as being the executive. I think it's fair to discuss his achievements with Lagos as the backdrop.



From what I know, increased tax receipts in Lagos funded the construction of the Lekki-Ikoyi bridge, the first stage of the Lagos light rail system, the Lagos HOMS affordable housing developments (Ilubirin estate being a massive example), the indepdent power projects running courts, hospitals and other public buildings in Ikeja, the Ikorodu Road redevelopment and the solar street light project. Those are the infrastructural improvements I can think of offhand and which I've had first-hand experience with as recently as January. It's probably not an exhaustive list and it certainly isn't enough for an economy that's larger than Ghana and Kenya, but it's a start and Tinubu's role in instituting the public finance formula to fund these improvements is hard to dispute.



Well you certainly haven't demonized debt but I know several others have earlier in the discussion and generally on Nairaland, if we're being honest. Again, I don't fault people who don't understand how capital markets and infrastructure finance work, but we're not doing our states and region any services by insisting that being debt-free is some sort of aspirational goal. Public finance worldwide is debt-reliant and even on the corporate side, the most cash-rich companies in the world like Apple and Merck still fund operations with bonds.

I agree without reservation with your other points about lack of accountability, mismanagement and corruption. I'm not willing to condemn all debt if the results are visible.



I have no idea if Keynes is big in Nigerian political circles, but why do you doubt this so strongly? A[b]regbesola's rstionale for his OYES public employment scheme is exactly the same as the New Deal was in depression-era America: give people public-sector jobs to do anything [/b](including transcribing folk songs and sweeping roads) to counter the lack of private-sector employment. They may not dress it up with terms like counter-cyclical investment but the philosophy is the same. Of course, I'm not suggesting that it has been totally effective.



This touches on areas of professional interest for me but even then, I don't want to be arrogant enough to assume I can solve a problem that's been brewing since the early 1970s (when we went into oil production overdrive). For me, the oil price decline is a good thing for Nigeria It will force the central government to manage with less resources and to generate more taxes, or to starve and deal with crippling social unrest. States like Osun will have to develop agricultural assets like cocoa and palm oil for domestic/regional production and consumption not for low-value raw exporting. They can also devote themselves to tourism to the captive Yoruba diaspora. I think you've already mentioned that solid minerals are affected by the worldwide commodity price drops so the gold isn't likely to generate much income in the near-term, but it's about time to reduce raw exporting and move up the value chain in any way possible. Pair these steps with an injection of debt-funded infrastructure development that employs rural Nigerians and I believe we'll start to see results.



Who are they? Not being funny--I sincerely can't think of any credible candidates.



My point is that I don't think Tinubu (and the other APC governors were 'given' anything. I think it took serious campaigning, strategizing, trading and some unsavory deals to get into higher elected offices. [b]I don't think 90% of people have the charisma, connections, stamina or competence to run for office and we shouldn't pretend that elections are always won by the virtuous or the brilliant. [/b]There are other important factors that contribute to leadership, which is why some people are career civil servants and policy wonks and others go out for the electioneering. It's not easy, bro. If it were, all of us talking on Nairaland could be in Abuja today.



I'm surprised at your idealism here. When Awolowo was in office, he regularly played second-fiddle to Adelabu in the Ibadan area and was not unanimously popular in places like Ilesha either. Did that mean that he or the Action Group had messed up? Social progress in a deeply-damaged place like Nigeria is going to be long and slow and anyone benefitting from the status quo is sure to resist it. That's the reason why convicted drug couriers and vapid jobbers are fighting hard and paying whatever is necessary to remain relevsnt. I don't think that means Tinubu is no good.



China isn't the best example of efficient spending--quite true. I was using them as an example of highly-developed, debt-funded infrastructure development though. Development that provided employment and enabled the spectacular growth of the private sector. It's far from perfect but I'm quite sure the average Nigerian would take living in Shanghai or Chengdu over Somolu or Yola.



I can't speak in those types of generalities. I've seen new roads in Osun, along with the youth employment scheme, free lunches and a free computer tablet for secondary education; significant new real estate and infrastructure development in Ogun; some impressive tourism development in Oyo and Ekiti and all the afore-mentioned advancements in Lagos. Let me stress that this is not good enough. At the same time, I won't pretend as if all the money evaporated into thin air or dissolved into political pockets. Let's find ways to insist on transparent budgeting, borrowing and spending but I can't sign on to wholesale doom and gloom when I can see (slight) progress with my own eyes.

Signing off for a while now--it's late over here but I wanted to make sure I replied.

TerraCotta:
I focused on Lagos when discussing Tinubu because that's the state he governed and had the most direct influence on. He may have been a strong factor in the emergence of other Yoruba governors but it's not the same thing as being the executive. I think it's fair to discuss his achievements with Lagos as the backdrop.



From what I know, increased tax receipts in Lagos funded the construction of the Lekki-Ikoyi bridge, the first stage of the Lagos light rail system, the Lagos HOMS affordable housing developments (Ilubirin estate being a massive example), the indepdent power projects running courts, hospitals and other public buildings in Ikeja, the Ikorodu Road redevelopment and the solar street light project. Those are the infrastructural improvements I can think of offhand and which I've had first-hand experience with as recently as January. It's probably not an exhaustive list and it certainly isn't enough for an economy that's larger than Ghana and Kenya, but it's a start and Tinubu's role in instituting the public finance formula to fund these improvements is hard to dispute.



Well you certainly haven't demonized debt but I know several others have earlier in the discussion and generally on Nairaland, if we're being honest. Again, I don't fault people who don't understand how capital markets and infrastructure finance work, but we're not doing our states and region any services by insisting that being debt-free is some sort of aspirational goal. Public finance worldwide is debt-reliant and even on the corporate side, the most cash-rich companies in the world like Apple and Merck still fund operations with bonds.

I agree without reservation with your other points about lack of accountability, mismanagement and corruption. I'm not willing to condemn all debt if the results are visible.



I have no idea if Keynes is big in Nigerian political circles, but why do you doubt this so strongly? Aregbesola's rstionale for his OYES public employment scheme is exactly the same as the New Deal was in depression-era America: give people public-sector jobs to do anything (including transcribing folk songs and sweeping roads) to counter the lack of private-sector employment. They may not dress it up with terms like counter-cyclical investment but the philosophy is the same. Of course, I'm not suggesting that it has been totally effective.



This touches on areas of professional interest for me but even then, I don't want to be arrogant enough to assume I can solve a problem that's been brewing since the early 1970s (when we went into oil production overdrive). For me, the oil price decline is a good thing for Nigeria It will force the central government to manage with less resources and to generate more taxes, or to starve and deal with crippling social unrest. States like Osun will have to develop agricultural assets like cocoa and palm oil for domestic/regional production and consumption not for low-value raw exporting. They can also devote themselves to tourism to the captive Yoruba diaspora. I think you've already mentioned that solid minerals are affected by the worldwide commodity price drops so the gold isn't likely to generate much income in the near-term, but it's about time to reduce raw exporting and move up the value chain in any way possible. Pair these steps with an injection of debt-funded infrastructure development that employs rural Nigerians and I believe we'll start to see results.



Who are they? Not being funny--I sincerely can't think of any credible candidates.



My point is that I don't think Tinubu (and the other APC governors were 'given' anything. I think it took serious campaigning, strategizing, trading and some unsavory deals to get into higher elected offices. I don't think 90% of people have the charisma, connections, stamina or competence to run for office and we shouldn't pretend that elections are always won by the virtuous or the brilliant. There are other important factors that contribute to leadership, which is why some people are career civil servants and policy wonks and others go out for the electioneering. It's not easy, bro. If it were, all of us talking on Nairaland could be in Abuja today.



I'm surprised at your idealism here. When Awolowo was in office, he regularly played second-fiddle to Adelabu in the Ibadan area and was not unanimously popular in places like Ilesha either. Did that mean that he or the Action Group had messed up? Social progress in a deeply-damaged place like Nigeria is going to be long and slow and anyone benefitting from the status quo is sure to resist it. That's the reason why convicted drug couriers and vapid jobbers are fighting hard and paying whatever is necessary to remain relevsnt. I don't think that means Tinubu is no good.



China isn't the best example of efficient spending--quite true. I was using them as an example of highly-developed, debt-funded infrastructure development though. Development that provided employment and enabled the spectacular growth of the private sector. It's far from perfect but I'm quite sure the average Nigerian would take living in Shanghai or Chengdu over Somolu or Yola.



I can't speak in those types of generalities. I've seen new roads in Osun, along with the youth employment scheme, free lunches and a free computer tablet for secondary education; significant new real estate and infrastructure development in Ogun; some impressive tourism development in Oyo and Ekiti and all the afore-mentioned advancements in Lagos. Let me stress that this is not good enough. At the same time, I won't pretend as if all the money evaporated into thin air or dissolved into political pockets. Let's find ways to insist on transparent budgeting, borrowing and spending but I can't sign on to wholesale doom and gloom when I can see (slight) progress with my own eyes.

Signing off for a while now--it's late over here but I wanted to make sure I replied.

1bkay3:
My main concern is the danger of wrongful conviction? There are a whole lot of cases of the innocent being falsely accused and then being exonerated posthumously. And I stress this point particularly considering Nigeria's history of acting on uncorroborated evidence!
I personally think family should have the choice to pay without penalty >.<

laudate:
Egbon, I agree with Transparency and Accountability whole-heartedly. What I do not agree with, is an increase in taxes on already over-burdened taxpayers. I hear only about 50% of the population currently pay tax.

Why can't the state govt capture the remaining 50% that do not pay tax, and devise strategies to ensure their compliance?? That is my point. If taxes can be harnessed from the 50% that are currently not paying their taxes, then tax revenue would increase and there would be no need to increase the burden on the conscientious citizens that are already complying with the law.

So my suggestion is this:
1). Implement citizen-friendly strategies to get tax defaulters to pay up;
2). Enforce transparency and accountability on the collection and utilisation of such taxes;
3). Ensure revenue from such taxes are judiciously utilised and deployed to areas where it would achieve maximum effect.

raumdeuter:
I love your entire post but the part in bold is my favourite. The oil income really messed a lot of things up and the plumetting price would end up being good in the long run

Most of Aregbe's scheme and project I usually see people like Wole Soyinka backing them or speaking in favour. That shows Kongi is being consulted and offers his advise on these policies which would make me to believe these were well thought out policies

There are several projects that can be done but when we have a crippling reccuring expenditure you cant make much progress

Ogun can leverage their proximity to Lagos and be an industrail haven

Oyo and Osun can go into intensive Agriculture and tourism. There is a 20M population sitting in Lagos and they have to eat. When you think of it that 80% of the food items we eat in the entire SW come from the North. How many trucks of tomatoes arrive in lagos on a daily basis.

If Oyo and Osun can bite into that food supply market to Lagos and take just 30% away. That would be a great boost to the largely rural population. Of course it has to be mechanized.

I am thinking should agricultural project be left to individuals or should govt go into it also?

Anyone knows what has become of the Shonga farms in Kwara and how its coming on

If govt take up huge farmland, provide equipment train youths on working those mechanised farming, youths willing should be employed on those farms, similar to the OYES but this one everyone works on the farm or in the Public works department where direct labour is used to fix the road instead of sweeping the street. Maybe street cleaning should be left for females. There should be a bus every 2 fridays that transport the farm workers to city to visit their family

Then how do these farm produce get to the market in an efficient manner, I would suggest railway

Also this final step would be controversial. All governors who are in their second term should downsize their public workers by 50%. Retire all teachers teaching irrelevant subjects. Science and Maths teachers should make at least 40% of the teaching workforce

I think every governor should call all LGA chairmen and tell them to think of a way to make their LGA viable or they close down the LGA. Find a way to generate income. Look into your key strenght and suggest how the State govt can help The state govt would fund them 100% first yr, 75% 2nd yr by 4th yr all LGA should be 70% self funded and give a quarterly report of what they are doing. every Saturday invite 2 LGA chairmen on the radio, Let their people call on live TV and give feedback on how the chairman is doing

The amount sent to the chairman should be public info and let them account for it in public too. Tell how many roads you have repaired in your LGA with video evidence and let people call in to back it up

These were what I thought I would do if I ever become Governor of Oyo State

Firefire:
About the referred Are Onakakanfo Title in Yoruba Land

Are Onakakanfo is a war viceroy and valued by Yoruba tradition as the most powerful and revered, of all the other ancient traditional titles cherished by the people.

The Kakanfo is usually an extraordinary citizen who is expected to lead the Yoruba people in peace and war times. Kakanfo is usually conferred on the greatest soldier and the most remarkable tactician of the day. In recent times this has been extended to include the frontiers of politics.

The title, which is akin to a Field Marshall, was first introduced into the Yoruba country by Oba Ajagbo, several centuries ago.

A source close to the Alaafin said the Aare Onakakanfo is the highest title that any Yoruba man can be bestowed upon. It is the equivalent of a Field Marshal in the army. There is no other title any one can get after the Kakanfo.

It is the final honour any one could get. Sources claimed that the title is usually picked after consultation with certain sacred and celestial order, and that it involves the presentation of several names passed on in some cases to the 'heavenly powers' to choose'.

Though in years past, the title was associated with the Oyo empire, its overwhelming impact on the entire Yoruba nation cannot be denied. The Kakanfo had dominion over almost all Yoruba territories at a time in the past extending to far away Togo, Benin Republic and Ghana.

The title of Aare Ona Kakanfo was introduced hundreds of years ago to the Yoruba country by King Ajagbo, who ruled over 700 years ago. The introduction of the title was informed by the need to fortify the ancient, pre-colonial army of the old Oyo Empire which at one time could boast of over 100,000 horsemen.

The selection involves several rituals and there have been speculations that the last two Kakanfos did not complete the ritual circles. Samuel Johnson in his book treatise on the Kakanfo stated that the Kakanfos are always shaved, but the hair on the inoculated part is allowed to grow long, and when plaited, forms a tuft or sort of pigtail,' adding that Kakanfos are generally 'very stubborn and obstinate.

They have been more or less troublesome, due to the effect of the ingredients they were inoculated with. In war they carry no weapon but a weapon known as the King's invincible staff.' At one time in the ancient times, a Kakanfo, unable to witness war was said to have fomented a civil war in Ogbomoso 'which he also repressed with vigour', just to prove his might. It is generally understood that they are to give way to no one not even to the King, their master.

Hence, Kakanfos are never created in the capital but in any other town in the Kingdom '

'By virtue of his office he is to go to war once in 3 years to whatever place the King named, and dead or alive, to return home a victor, or be brought home a corpse within three months'. He noted that the Kakanfo usually has certain ensigns: The Ojijiko, and a cap made of the red feathers of the parrots tail, with a projection behind reaching as far down as the waist, an apron of leopards skin, and a leopard skin to sit on always the Asiso or pigtail and the Staff invincible.

Apart from Chief Akintola and Chief M.K.O. Abiola, the past Aare Onakakanfo since about over 500 years ago were:

Kokoro gangna of Iwoye, Oyatope of Iwoye,

Oyabi of Ajase,

Adeta of Jabata,

Oku of Jabata,

Afonja l'aiya l'oko of ilorin,

Toyeye of Ogbomoso,

Edun of Gbogun,

Amepo of Abemo,

Kurumi of Ijaye,

Ojo Aburumaku of Ogbomoso (son of Toyeje) and

Latosisa of Ibadan,

the last of the ancient Kakanfos After Latosisa,

Chief Ladoke Akintola was appointed the Kakanfo. He died in tragic circumstances during the January 15 coup.

Since the death of MKO Abiola, no one has been appointed as the Kakanfo by the Alaafin and in a way, the delay in appointing the Kakanfo in the past and even now, has always added to the myth that surrounds the title.

‘Former President Olusegun Obasanjo desperately wanted to be appointed the Are Onakakanfo. He wanted the title more than anything else. He lobbied for it. He fought for it. He did everything to get the title while in power as the number one citizen, but he lost woefully’, a source close to the former president told The Nation.

http://www.thenationonlineng.net/archive2/tblnews_Detail.php?id=60166
http://olalekanakogun..com.ng/2012/08/who-becomes-aare-ona-kakanfo-of_23.html

Katsumoto:
Dayo,

I am sure you remember most of what you typed up there were discussed extensively here on NL 4 years ago when APC won those states from the PDP. You are inadvertently admitting that the Oyo governor hasn't done much. How long should it take these governors to implement these ideas?

Osomalo:
Chief Fire, zimoni is in nl jail.

Aareonakakanfo:
[size=14pt]Ekiti Assembly to Pass Law Prescribing Death Penalty for Kidnappers[/size]


Members of the Ekiti State House of Assembly have moved to pass a bill to make kidnappers die by hanging in the state.

Expressing serious views over the twin menace of kidnapping and terrorism in the country, the assembly also moves to stipulate penalty for those who pay ransom to these evil doers.


To this end, two of the three laws that were deliberated upon at the assembly’s plenary yesterday dwelt on curbing of crimes that has to do with kidnapping that has become a source of revenues for some criminals.

They were Office of the Public Defender Bill (2015) and Ekiti State Kidnap and Terrorism (Prohibition) Bill (2015.

Both successfully passed second reading and were passed to the appropriate committees to scrutinise for final passage.

The plenary, presided over by the Speaker, Hon. Kola Oluwawole, witnessed a robust debate by members on the matters.

Presenting the bills from the order paper, Deputy Leader of Business, Hon. Adeniran Alagbada, lamented the trauma victims of kidnap and their family members are often subjected to.

Also speaking on the Public Defender Bill, the Chairman, House Committee on information, Hon. Olugboyega Aribisogan, noted that the bill would afford the poor who lack financial capability to pursue their cases the opportunity to access justice.

In the same vein, the Chairman, House Committee on Health, Dr. Babajide Omotoso; Hon. Akinleye Ekundayo, Hon. Titilayo

Owolabi-Akerele, Hon. Wale Ayeni and Ayodele Fajemilehin, who also contributed to the motions on the floor, described the bills as those that would have direct positive bearing on the lives of the people of the state.

Another law, Ekiti State College of Technical and Commercial Agriculture Repeal Bill (2015), had earlier passed through first reading.

Ex-Governor Kayode Fayemi had earlier signed the bill into law to enhance the establishment of a School of Agriculture in his Isan Ekiti country home, which the assembly thought would have to be abrogated due to poor financial status of the state.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/ekiti-assembly-to-pass-law-prescribing-death-penalty-for-kidnappers/225946/


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IlekeHD:
I swear I was gonna type just this.

yomexp:
i also remember eguerilla but he has deactivated his moniker long time ago.

Ghost01:
And when they downside their workforce by 50 per cent, what do you think those that are rendered unemployed will resort to?

modath:
Charge & length of sentence?

Osomalo:
Spambot gave me headbutt.


Whaoooo, zimoni has been freed.

It's time to revert.

1bkay3:
Lmao Nigerians are not exactly known for their ability to always reason logically

StuntingBlack:
LMAO

SO na you be Zimoni...

Shymm3x:
Hmmm...is this the same 1bkaye?

1bkay3:
Lmao Nigerians are not exactly known for their ability to always reason logically

1bkay3:
Same 1bkaye

IyaIode:
He uses moniker theoverview

Shymm3x:
Lool.

Why did you bite my "3" swag, luv?

That represents the three-star general rank of the Yoruba armed forces conferred on me by both aaraonakakanfo the supreme general and MayorofLagos the field marshal and supreme mayor.

Who gave you yours? Lool

1bkay3:
Same 1bkaye

1bkay3:
The very same aaraonakakanfo and MayorofLagos actually, I'd have a word with them if I were you tbh

Lol

raumdeuter:
Ibkaye is now grown, I remember when she first started posting as an innocent 13yr old

Now she sef don dey do wetin adults dey do

Aareonakakanfo:
1bkay3 I saw the shade you threw there about Nigerians not being intelligent but its all good.
but one thing I failed to add is this and I believe Stuntingblack will agree with me
I believe it should be based on severity.If the person kidnapped was killed, the offense should be graded as kidnapping in the first degree and I'm in full support of death penalty for that. However, if the person kidnapped was released and had not been seriously injured, the offense should be kidnapping in the second degree. Even though I know in Nigeria, we do not categorize kidnapping into degrees of severity, I believe we need to look at that aspect first before implementing it.