rexbuton:


The oil rivers state as proposed in the national conference? Me I don't really care as long as an inch of edo land isn't cut out.. I'm even trying to expand edo frontiers to the ocean

Nope not that oil rivers own ther was proposed talks of one coastal state then in 2008.
It consists of the riverine communities of Ondo edo and Delta I think

The Edo map looks funny though I thought they had direct access to the sea until recently when I studied the map, that was when I realised that our community was the obstruction

dejavski:


Nope not that oil rivers own ther was proposed talks of one coastal state then in 2008.
It consists of the riverine communities of Ondo edo and Delta I think

The Edo map looks funny though I thought they had direct access to the sea until recently when I studied the map, that was when I realised that our community was the obstruction

What community is that?

scholes0:


What community is that?

Errm ilaje Ikale arogbo-ijaw itsekiri and the riverine communities of edo I think

scholes0:


What community is that?

Ilaje and ese-odo communities

Tribalism has eaten deep into your fibres,causing you to exhibit victim mentality. STATES (INCLUDING EAST CENTRAL STATES AND RIVERS ) WERE FIRST CREATED IN 1967.
The Gowon or any other regime have no control in determining which State should be oil producing State or not as[b] the presence of oil in any place is NOT FIXED and can be discovered in different places depending on the sophistication of the technology adopted. Indeed in the next few decades from now, with improved technology almost all countries will be able to produce oil but in varying quantities.

pazienza:


What do you mean by old East Central and old Rivers.
Who created those? They were created in 1970 not in 1960.
And they were created by Gowon and co in such away to deny the Igbo hinterland of any oil producing Igbo communities.

That's the depth of their arrogance. Only God can claim some people can't survive without him, every other person/people is dispensable.

matrixme:
I thought the thread was about Oil exploitation facts in Nigeria, not an Igbo domineering contest thread. The sooner this Biafran nation comes up, the better for everyone. SMH! I have never seen so much bitterness spewed with much enthusiasm. You people always magnify this vain ego like a god. I look forward to the mass exodus to your Biafra to see what we will by ourselves do. Quite funny to think we can't survive without you, with the depth of our civilization. Do you think we are Ibibios?

Nice thread.

Stop being shallow minded, there is no country without talented people.

Obiagu1:


Of course, huge desert.
They've got no talent!

Like I said earlier, I'll rather be South Korea than be Saudi Arabia.

Can't you see our mentality is different from yours?
That's why we want a country even without oil but you don't.

Ethnicity is largely a matter of self identity rather than something defined by external factors such as a decree by the federal government as you are trying to suggest here.
There are peoples from non Igbo ancestries in Ebonyi State who now self identify as Igbos just as many Igalas in Anambra now regard themselves as igbos.
Similarly some Apoi/Arugbo Ijaws in Ondo States now called themselves Yorubas e.g Sowore, the Publisher of Sahara reporters.

pazienza:


They rightly claim Yoruba because there are no external forces at play, trying to give them a distinct identity.

Eze Ogba, Ogbuehi Francis Ellah and his supporters in Ogba Maintained that Ogba is a branch of the Igbo ethnic group, but the breakaway groups were financed and encouraged to grow by the FG, they frustrated Francis Ellah throughout his stay on the throne, and immediately replaced him with an Igbophobic New Eze, who changed his throne to Oba from Eze.

scholes0:


Wait, how can you say anyone is denying igbos access to sea, when Igbo territory as we know it doesn't really get to the sea?
Igbos are like Edos, part of their territory is really really close to the sea, but they don't quite get there.

You are as deluded as the cartographer who sketched the map you employed to advance your silly argument on this subject matter.

pazienza:


"The war aim and (final) solution properly speaking of the entire problem, is to discriminate against the Igbos and in their own interest. Such discrimination would include above all the detachment of those oil-rich territories in the Eastern Region, in addition, the Igbos' freedom of movement would be restricted, to prevent their renewed penetration into other parts, leaving any access to the sea to the Igbos, is quite out of the question, "(Federal Nigerian Minister speaking to E. C. Schwarzenback, Swiss Review of Africa, February 1968)"

As usual Igbo n their Victim mentality.

Smh

oyatz:
Ethnicity is largely a matter of self identity rather than something defined by external factors such as a decree by the federal government as you are trying to suggest here.
There are peoples from non Igbo ancestries in Ebonyi State who now self identify as Igbos just as many Igalas in Anambra now regard themselves as igbos.
Similarly some Apoi/Arugbo Ijaws in Ondo States now called themselves Yorubas e.g Sowore, the Publisher of Sahara reporters.

External forces influence ethnicity. Following the fall of Qing empire, many Manchurians resident in non Manchu territories of China started denying their Manchurian ancestry and origin, because of the prevailing anti Qing sentiment in China of those days by the Hans and the rest of China. Centuries down the line, many Manchurians who denied being of Manchurian origin are currently 're affirming their Manchurian origin because the anti Manchurian sentiments in China had waned and is almost non perceptible today.

only few villages in Ebonyi are non Igbo speaking, but by the virtue of being put in SE, they had realized its impossible to run away from Nigerian igbophobia as their towns had suffered destruction and neglect like those of Igbos around them. Misery can unite people.
The same is applicable to Igala communities in Anambra North.

If communities like Ogba, and the rest were put in SE and forced to partake in the Igbophobia that Igbos were subjected to in post civil war, their wouldn't be Igbo denial there today.
Ndoki is Igbo speaking, and have a LGA in Rivers state, but because the bulk of Ndoki people are in Abia state and partake in Igbophobia of Nigeria, the rest of Ndoki in Rivers had been forced to retain their Igbo tag as a form of solidarity to their brothers in Abia. If the entire Ndokiland were in Rivers state, and they were given the chance of floating an independent ethnic group by FG like Ogba, Ikwerre, Etche were given, Ndoki would have become an independent ethnic group today.
Even as we speak, there are few Ndoki elements that want this, but with bulk of Ndoki stuck in Abia state, it became imposible.

So yes, Ethnic identity is influenced by external factors and the Igbo denial in oil producing Igbo speaking communities outside SE was influenced by Nigerian government post civil war anti Igbo antics and State creations, and subtle encouragement of centrifugal forces there by FG, while the centripetal ones where subdued.

koladebrainiac:


As usual Igbo n their Victim mentality.

Smh

That was a direct quote.

@ pazienza, may your days be long and fruitful. Keep standing on the side of truth and God will reward you richly. Keep hammering this bigots with the truth. The truth is like the sun, when her time comes, nothing can prevent her shining.