kaura5000:
Fool sokoto caliphate was successor to Hausa city states... Idiot Hausa had been trading with Europeans since time immemorial through trans Saharan trade hope you know of that? Lol tell me one independent explorer that testify to greatness of oyo... Tell me one Yoruba city empire that can match Kano in commerce or katsina in knowledge

The europeans were busy exporting them like chickens.

While their slaves were scattered all through hausa states, especially during the time of Muhammad Rumfa.

It is very well known fact that it was the north that influenced Oyo to adopt a cavalry. And their horses were gotten from the North.

MorrowCaligari:


Actually, the Songhais victory only lasted a few years on Hausa states as another hausas state, Kebbi chased them out. That's the thing about hausa states, they were hardly United, but we're independently powerful. Now imagine the sokoto caliphate which United the whole hausa states and try comparing it to Oyo. Comparing Oyo to Kano alone is a great insult to Kano, now you're comparing it to something that encompasses, Gobir, Kebbi, Kano, Katsina and more? You my friend and all who support you are dunces


The only reason the Kanem Bornu and Songhai weren't concerned with Oyo and co. Was because they weren't relevant enough.

Hausa states like kano and katsina, excelled in trade and were competing for control of the trans Saharan trade, where was Oyo? Smh

You core northern folks are known to not be very intellectual. .I expected you to not display this proudly.

So you think a power that held many yoruba city-states plus nupeland, Borgu, All gbe-language speaking areas plus the Akyem Akans can be easily downplayed? What did Sokoto hold? HAUSA states that spoke the same language and dominated by one religion. Compare to what Oyo held together - people of different spiritual standards, Culture and language. ..Oyo was mighty enough to influence the language of its vassals ... what language did Sokoto influence? Sokoto infact used a foreign tongue - arabic. . Like a slave's camp or something

Oyo traded with the Songhai and Malians

macof:


You core northern folks are known to not be very intellectual. .I expected you to not display this proudly.

So you think a power that held many yoruba city-states plus nupeland, Borgu, All gbe-language speaking areas plus the Akyem Akans can be easily downplayed? What did Sokoto hold? HAUSA states that spoke the same language and dominated by one religion. Compare to what Oyo held together - people of different spiritual standards, Culture and language. ..Oyo was mighty enough to influence the language of its vassals ... what language did Sokoto influence? Sokoto infact used a foreign tongue - arabic. . Like a slave's camp or something

Oyo traded with the Songhai and Malians

Now I know youre an idiott. The official language of the sokoto caliphate was hausa, mor.on, even the fulbes spoke hausa. But the script used for writing was a sort of Arabic script called ajami.

The fact that you didn't know this, proves what I suspected, you're a bellend.


As for us not being very intellectual, Loool!. Believe that at your own peril is all I have to say.

MorrowCaligari:


and if I say this foool doesnt know anything about history he'l go about ranting.


but please, opc or gatiano or whatever you choose to call yourself, please go ahead deluding yourself. i will not argue on a baseless topic which should be obvious for anyone with the slightest knowledge of history.

If you compare the oyo empire with katsina (a hausa state), maybe we'll debate that, even though you'll lose but the sokoto empire that encompasses all hausas states? lool! please....


you made some pretty stuupid claims in another thread and took flight when reality dunned on you and you couldnt provide any evidence, now you want your a.ss handed to you agian, well it will be my pleasure.

i am not one to brag or claim superiority but if this is the game you want to play i will show you how truly irrelevant you are you worthless plonker!

Why are you suddenly switching from discussing political history and Imperial greatness to attacking opc personally?


Bring your history, bring your greatness into view lets review. Other Nigerians are here watching.....let me decimate your Emirate and mop floor with your turban so they can witness the lies and myth about your greatness exposed. Come on with it, im waiting....I have Oyo behind me I have Ife behind me, I have Egba nehind me, Ijebu is behind me, Ekiti is standing by, Ijesha is alive, Owo is alive, Okun is standing by, Eko is standing by, Offa is standing by, Ilorin is behind me....



You think throwing out Katsina and Daura and Sokoto and Kano scares anyone?


Mumu!!

OPCNAIRALAND:


Why are you suddenly switching from discussing political history and Imperial greatness to attacking opc personally?


Bring your history, bring your greatness into view lets review. Other Nigerians are here watching.....let me decimate your Emirate and mop floor with your turban so they can witness the lies and myth about your greatness exposed. Come on with it, im waiting....I have Oyo behind me I have Ife behind me, I have Egba nehind me, Ijebu is behind me, Ekiti is standing by, Ijesha is alive, Owo is alive, Okun is standing by, Eko is standing by, Offa is standing by, Ilorin is behind me....



You think throwing out Katsina and Daura and Sokoto and Kano scares anyone?


Mumu!!

You're a little late to the party dum dum! You and your fellow arse mongers have been neutralised. Please check the cadavers of your brothers for proof of decimation.

kaura5000:
Before oyo there was existence of independent Hausa states who are more advanced economically militarily than oyo individually as many adventurers and explorers attest to... Have you read Leo Africans. Testimony of his visit to Hausa empire songhay and Borno in the 14th century... I repeat there is never a time in history that oyo is more progressive than Hausa city states.. Economically Hausa city is the southern terminal of trans Saharan trade... Militarily you heard of queen Amina of zazzau expeditions.. The Hausa city states had been using cavalry even before the creation of oyo which terrain doesn't support large cavalry because of tsetse fly infection... Hausa developed system of writing before oyo Hausa introduced indigo in the western Sudan even exporting to Timbuktu... Do you know Kano was the first sultanate to have constitution in the early 14th century written by a the great North African scholar almaghili... Why is it there is no any verifiable contact between oyo and all major empire in west Africa... They is no visit of adventures like Leo Africans visit to Hausa city states songhay and Borno up to now Nubia which testifies to greatness of those places.... Tell me one major adventurer that visit the king of oyo jungle and wrote a book just like Leo Africans wrote about Hausa city states and Timbuktu

I know this is where you are going after all,

why Yoruba is always the standard historical measure often remain baffling.

Must Leo Africanus visit means exclusive greatness for Hausa?

You need the guy to feel discovered?

MorrowCaligari:


You're a little late to the party dum dum! You and your fellow arse mongers have been neutralised. Please check the cadavers of your brothers for proof of decimation.

I read it all and see how the emptiness and shallowness of your slave masters are exposed.

OPCNAIRALAND:


I read it all and see how the emptiness and shallowness of your slave masters are exposed.

Lool! Now you've just lost the plot. We can proudly say that we have no slave masters, can you?

absoluteSuccess:


I know this is where you are going after all,

why Yoruba is always the standard historical measure often remain baffling.

Must Leo Africanus visit means exclusive greatness for Hausa?

You need the guy to feel discovered?

Oooh shuut up! Don't be a whiny little b.itch, this is one argument you can't win.

He visited the great African civilizations, he left you out for obvious reasons. No hard feelings mate.

absoluteSuccess:


I know this is where you are going after all,

why Yoruba is always the standard historical measure often remain baffling.

Must Leo Africanus visit means exclusive greatness for Hausa?

You need the guy to feel discovered?

Lmao!!

I wonder why they will not bring the accounts from those who visited Hausa states and Yoruba states....people like Livingstone, Landers?

If any reference is worth narrating its that of these two who went everywhere and saw everything. Comparing.Hausa and Yoruba on basis of Africanus visit to Hausaland would belike sharing the impression of Beecroft in the coastal lands. It would be one sided.

These illiterates have no appreciation for true comparatives.... OYO is superior to any Fulani state.

In fact thr two, Fulani and Hausa are separate but individually or combined, Oyo is their father...anyday!

MorrowCaligari:



Oooh shuut up! Don't be a whiny little b.itch, this is one argument you can't win.

He visited the great African civilizations, he left you out for obvious reasons. No hard feelings mate.

You should discuss points backed with historical accounts. Stop attacking opc.

You have lost, have you not? Fulani is a subperior to Yoruba. This pains you and having no points to countrr mine you are attacking the messenger.

Ok, ill give you another opportunity. Bring your historical and Imperial throne to view lets inspect it against that of Oyo. Leave personal attack out of it.

OPCNAIRALAND:


Ijesha is alive, Owo is alive, !

did you kill them before?

MorrowCaligari:


Lool! Now you've just lost the plot. We can proudly say that we have no slave masters, can you?

Arabs used your lands for slave raids and slave labour and wiped all traces of your culture.

Yoruba has Christianity and Islam, introduced from foreign lands. Yoruba had also imposed and dominated other lands and cultures with its Ifa religion.

Beside practicing what others want you to worship, Christianity and Islam.....tell me where your own indigeneous worship is. Tell me where your indigenous worship has dominated others anywhere in the world.

Apparently you dont know that you are slaves. I will help educate you.

MorrowCaligari:



Now I know youre an idiott. The official language of the sokoto caliphate was hausa, mor.on, even the fulbes spoke hausa. But the script used for writing was a sort of Arabic script called ajami.

The fact that you didn't know this, proves what I suspected, you're a bellend.


As for us not being very intellectual, Loool!. Believe that at your own peril is all I have to say.

Ogbeni you got nothing to defend yourself. There's no caliphate that doesn't place high importance on arabic. Sokoto surely had hausa as its official language but arabic was not lagging behind... of course, when islam was the very reason the caliphate was established

OPCNAIRALAND:

Lmao!!
I wonder why they will not bring the accounts from those who visited Hausa states and Yoruba states....people like Livingstone, Landers?
If any reference is worth narrating its that of these two who went everywhere and saw everything. Comparing.Hausa and Yoruba on basis of Africanus visit to Hausaland would belike sharing the impression of Beecroft in the coastal lands. It would be one sided.
These illiterates have no appreciation for true comparatives.... OYO is superior to any Fulani state.
In fact thr two, Fulani and Hausa are separate but individually or combined, Oyo is their father...anyday!

idiot in which way Yoruba states are superior fetishes or what..tell me one area is it commerce knowledge or what.. Katrina was a city of learning that nonyoruba city can match... why kano has been dominating the Saharan trade rivaling cities such as Timbuktu and GAO... fool in didn't danfodio sacked oyo Il the capital of oyo and captured ilorin.. stupid coward slave

macof:


Ogbeni you got nothing to defend yourself. There's no caliphate that doesn't place high importance on arabic. Sokoto surely had hausa as its official language but arabic was not lagging behind... of course, when islam was the very reason the caliphate was established

I see you've fallen prey to the popular misconception that the the so called jihad was about religion. Smh

OPCNAIRALAND:


Arabs used your lands for slave raids and slave labour and wiped all traces of your culture.

Yoruba has Christianity and Islam, introduced from foreign lands. Yoruba had also imposed and dominated other lands and cultures with its Ifa religion.

Beside practicing what others want you to worship, Christianity and Islam.....tell me where your own indigeneous worship is. Tell me where your indigenous worship has dominated others anywhere in the world.

Apparently you dont know that you are slaves. I will help educate you.

I keep asking you foools the same question. What aspect of Hausa culture today is of Arab origin. What do you mean wiped traces of our culture?

OPCNAIRALAND:


You should discuss points backed with historical accounts. Stop attacking opc.

You have lost, have you not? Fulani is a subperior to Yoruba. This pains you and having no points to countrr mine you are attacking the messenger.

Ok, ill give you another opportunity. Bring your historical and Imperial throne to view lets inspect it against that of Oyo. Leave personal attack out of it.

What throne? What the hell are you talking about?

MorrowCaligari:


Lool! Now you've just lost the plot. We can proudly say that we have no slave masters, can you?

MorrowCaligari:



The europeans were busy exporting them like chickens.

While their slaves were scattered all through hausa states, especially during the time of Muhammad Rumfa.

It is very well known fact that it was the north that influenced Oyo to adopt a cavalry. And their horses were gotten from the North.

I can see you want to deny the fact that hausas and fulanis were sold to Europeans. .. guess what? We yorubas, alongside Songhai sold them

BTW Ur Case is worse than physical slavery, ur people are in mental slavery...to the arabs
Oh I forgot, arabs had u lot as physical slaves too

macof:


Ogbeni you got nothing to defend yourself. There's no caliphate that doesn't place high importance on arabic. Sokoto surely had hausa as its official language but arabic was not lagging behind... of course, when islam was the very reason the caliphate was established

What are you talking about? What do you mean by not lagging behind?

kaura5000:
idiot in which way Yoruba states are superior fetishes or what..tell me one area is it commerce knowledge or what.. Katrina was a city of learning that nonyoruba city can match... why kano has been dominating the Saharan trade rivaling cities such as Timbuktu and GAO... fool in didn't danfodio sacked oyo Il the capital of oyo and captured ilorin.. stupid coward slave

You guys are trying hard, after loosing on points and substance, to reduce this thread to personal attacks and fight. Im not going to let you.

Stop barking and start spewing out points to show thr Imperial power of Fulani. Come on with it.

MorrowCaligari:



I see you've fallen prey to the popular misconception that the the so called jihad was about religion. Smh

What was the jihad about?

MorrowCaligari:


I keep asking you foools the same question. What aspect of Hausa culture today is of Arab origin. What do you mean wiped traces of our culture?

Every aspect of it. Tell me anytime in your calendar that you worship the python like your ancestors used to do in Daura.

macof:


I can see you want to deny the fact that hausas and fulanis were sold to Europeans. .. guess what? We yorubas, alongside Songhai sold them

BTW Ur Case is worse than physical slavery, ur people are in mental slavery...to the arabs
Oh I forgot, arabs had u lot as physical slaves too

Says someone who comes from the most enslaved race in the world. If a dna test shows that 80-85 % of slaves in the US are either Igbo or Yoruba, my guess is yoruba's outnumber Igbos, but where are the Hausas you claimed to sell? Looool! You are a clown! Songhais never took hausa slaves btw, but the hausas states were one of the major exporters of slaves back then, so you and your inferior minions must have suffered, it's nothing to be proud of, but that's just the truth. We chained your people, and sold them like we'd sell cows or horses, cause back then to us, there's no difference.

OPCNAIRALAND:


Every aspect of it. Tell me anytime in your calendar that you worship the python like your ancestors used to do in Daura.

Never In our history have we ever worshipped pythons, dumbo!!!

MorrowCaligari:



Oooh shuut up! Don't be a whiny little b.itch, this is one argument you can't win.

He visited the great African civilizations, he left you out for obvious reasons. No hard feelings mate.

So you can really say sokoto caliphate is an African civilization? Pls what culture did we get from sokoto? A state filled with so much non African elements?
The Khoisan people show a better "African civilization"

OPCNAIRALAND:


What was the jihad about?

Add heavy corruption and taxes to any civilization, same thing always happens.


btw, if you guys were so organised, why did the british feel the need to stay on your heads like sheep, while the they imposed indirect rule on the hausas because they found them organised and civilized with a functioning administration. Every stereotypical depiction of the hated black man today hails from you.

OPCNAIRALAND:


Lmao!!

I wonder why they will not bring the accounts from those who visited Hausa states and Yoruba states....people like Livingstone, Landers?

If any reference is worth narrating its that of these two who went everywhere and saw everything. Comparing.Hausa and Yoruba on basis of Africanus visit to Hausaland would belike sharing the impression of Beecroft in the coastal lands. It would be one sided.

These illiterates have no appreciation for true comparatives.... OYO is superior to any Fulani state.

In fact thr two, Fulani and Hausa are separate but individually or combined, Oyo is their father...anyday!

LMAO,

if Oyo have not fallen at that time, these folks won't have an empire.

Every great civilization always meets their great destruction in the hands of barbarians as would the roman empire and Byzantines.

they needed the craft of crusades, death, carnage and faith to survive.

I don't know what Leo Africanus will say that more recent explorers cannot.

Except the Hausa empire was great as we move back in time and shrinks to the future as time tapes.

macof:


So you can really say sokoto caliphate is an African civilization? Pls what culture did we get from sokoto? A state filled with so much non African elements?
The Khoisan people show a better "African civilization"

he didnt visit the sokoto caliphate, he visited the hausa states. back when they were busy bullying each other.

and why isnt it an african civilization?

macof:


I can see you want to deny the fact that hausas and fulanis were sold to Europeans. .. guess what? We yorubas, alongside Songhai sold them

BTW Ur Case is worse than physical slavery, ur people are in mental slavery...to the arabs
Oh I forgot, arabs had u lot as physical slaves too

Lmao...

Macof, you are badt guy!

If we transpose location and put Yoruba in North and Fulani in South and dial back the hands of time to Imperial Africa, Fulani could not have done in Brazil, Cuba, US, Puerto Rico, Venezuela...and others what Yoruba has achieved there in terms of revolution and implanting of culture.

On the other hand, Yoruba captured in North and sold off as Fulanis and Hausa were sold off to Arabia would have succeeded in supplanting Ifa. Many Arabs today would be worshipping Sango, Ogun and Oya. There is no sea up there so they probably will not accept Olokun....but Obatala would definitely have shrines in Mecca.

Yoruba people, raise your head up, you are Great people and Im proud to be one of you!!

OPCNAIRALAND:


Lmao...

Macof, you are badt guy!

If we transpose location and put Yoruba in North and Fulani in South and dial back the hands of time to Imperial Africa, Fulani could not have done in Brazil, Cuba, US, Puerto Rico, Venezuela...and others what Yoruba has achieved there in terms of revolution and implanting of culture.

On the other hand, Yoruba captured in North and sold off as Fulanis and Hausa were sold off to Arabia would have succeeded in supplanting Ifa. Many Arabs today would be worshipping Sango, Ogun and Oya. There is no sea up there so they probably will not accept Olokun....but Obatala would definitely have shrines in Mecca.

Yoruba people, raise your head up, you are Great people and Im proud to be one of you!!

Thats why your yoruba brothers in Kwara hate to be associated with you. thats why you were the easiest people to enslave, maybe its because you were weak, or just utter buffoonery. thats why until date, you just dont understand how these things are done. lok at you, proud that your people have been plummeted and sold all over the globe....smh.

btw, arabs never enslaved any hausas, hausas you find in saudi today migrated there, no records of any such events taking place.

MorrowCaligari:



Never In our history have we ever worshipped pythons, dumbo!!!

There are many things you dont know about your culture. It proves my point that your enslavement was total! Nothing was left of your culture.

You need to go and ask your elders about their mythical Queen and the python and what it means in Daura antiquity. Instead of reading Arabic book that preaches jihad and 73 virgins everyday, start reading books written to teach you your historical past.

There are no virgins waiting for you in heaven. They arr all here on earth.