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Joshuabase:
You apparently have a problem with understanding simple concepts.
Is the quantum world made up of the classical world? Eh..

E gba mi ke.

timonski:
It is happening because of God, duh. /s

timonski:
Are the "classical world" and the "quantum world" contemporary realities? Explain.

Joshuabase:
Before the discovery of the Higgs boson,in 1975 Quantum physicist wondered why some particles had mass and others didn't, of course dumb theists jumped to conclude "God did it". Peter Higgs proposed a theory of a mass giving quantum field - he called it the Higgs field.

In 2013, the large hadron collider discovered the Higgs boson, the particle that proved the Higgs field existed. Scientists called it the "God particle" in order to mock the theists that said "God did it", they said the Higgs field "retired" God and it's the new God.

timonski:
* space is finite because it expands into some allowance
* space is finite because the universe is finite. Since space is an intrinsic property of the finite universe it is therefore FINITE!

Joshuabase:
Obviously, the quantum world comprises of fundamental particles like fermions(quarks and leptons) , bosons and gluons

the classical reality is reality that we all know - where the law of gravity exists, newtonian motion etc these laws only govern baryonic matter (matter made up of atoms)

THE quantum world is too small for any of the classical laws to hold any sway. [bold] That's why electrons don't orbit an atom, they are superpositioned around it. If they orbited it, it would mean atomic nucleus exhibited quantum gravity - a phenomenon which doesn't exist [/bold].

timonski:
The higgs bossom doesn't remove God from the equation. Rather it shows how particles gain mass. It doesn't tell us the Ultimate cause. Who knows? It might just be mechanism through which God granted particles their masses. Or it might just be completely natural process.

timonski:
And by which of the 8 atomic models did arrive at the bolded?
Oversabi.

Joshuabase:
You apparently have a problem with understanding simple concepts.
Is the quantum world made up of the classical world? Eh..

E gba mi ke.

Joshuabase:
THE Christian God is an ever receding pocket of ignorance,the more we know - the less we need him. - Niel degrasse Tyson

Maamin:
Yet you bear his name, Joshua

Joshuabase:
You're quite the ignorant one aren't you?

timonski:
Then this a spite thread. Who are you expecting intelligent replies from then? VOOKS? WINNER01? IFENESS, KINGEBUKANAIJA abi na SUKKOT or na PLAETTON? LMAO!

Dekatron:
@maamin :- Gravity in Newtonian physics talks about force exerted on bodies/matter. . . In Quantum Physics :- its related to time and other more complex things. . . You saying metaphysics in this debate is absurd.



@timonski :- Hawkings had manifestation of his disease in his teen. Yes. But I thought genetic diseases at one point or the other will manifest. . . Saying because it manifested in his late teens makes it non-genetic is quite DUMB!! (no apology intended). . . Also, according to science, its quite rare and VIRTUALLY impossible to live long when having the disease. He remains a wonder and mystery in medical science. I bet if it were to be you, you would be long dead and forgotten (again, no apology intended)

I like this. I know little about quantum mechanics. If I knew more, I would have enjoyed contributing.



again, saying an atheistic imbec.ile cannot be smarter than you shows you are dumb, hateful, bad mannered, foolish, a slowpoke, proud and hate learning. . . . He is today a world renowned physicist. Something your WHOLE GENERATION and lineage haven't produced and will NEVER EVER EVER IN THE NEXT 100years produce. . . Infact, he is smarter than your god. . . If he was really not smarter than you, by now u should be a nobel laurette. . . I bet your CGPA was/is 1.39 in university and still Hawkings is not smarter than you. . . . Timonski, I feel like slapping you for insulting a PRIDE OF SCIENCE. . . HAWKING IS SMARTER THAN YOU AND YOUR THEIST GOD. . . MOFO!!

Joshuabase:
Some time ago, Stephen hawkin made the famous quote, "Because such a law as gravity exists, the universe can and will create itself from nothing."

While I was still a Christian I heard this quote - I found it strange and I decided to understand what gravity truly was. Now 3 years later I'm here educating those who don't know what the quote meant.

First off before I begin the explanation, I would like to add that in the movie "gods not dead" this quote was called a claim. And not an actual proof that the universe came from nothing. But those of us who understand quantum mechanics and the quantum field theory know that it is a perfectly logical statement. If I say 2 + 2 is 4 then 3 + 1 must also be 4. If gravity exists then the universe must've come from nothing.

Now let's understand gravity, most of you think gravity is a force. . . Wrong gravity is a curvature in space. Here's an analogy - imagine a bucket of water filled to the brim whose water is not allowed to spill out, because the water isn't allowed to spill out, if I force stones into the bucket the atoms of water become tightly packed around these stones. In order to provide space for the stones. Matter is the stone, water is the space. Matter, no matter how small warps space causing space to become tightly packed around it. If a larger object warps the space around it, then any smaller object that passes through the warped space (gravity) the relative velocity is slowed and it is pulled towards the larger object. This model of gravity was proposed by Einstein, most of you probably didn't know, but this is why Einstein was the most respected physicist. This model of gravity predicted gravitational lensing, time dilation, black holes etc
But there are two ways space is warped either it's tightly packed or stretched inwards. Planets warp space to become tightly packed around them, but when a star collapses and occupies it's schwatzchild radius(talk about that later) I.e it occupies significantly less space, about 1/1000 of it 's original size, it stretches or warps space inwards.

Microsoft's new windows 8 and 10 animation mirror what would happen if matter interacts with a black hole or neutron star a phenomenon called "spagettification" . On a Windows loading screen notice how at first the "balls" move uniformly? They are moving through unwarped space. Then they all fall or slide out one by one? They are approaching a black hole. When you approach a black hole, your individual atoms are pulled in one by one and stretched out until you are completely disintegrated. If you want to learn more about gravity I recommend a YouTube channel called PBS spacetime

Now we'll talk about quantum field theory, which states that all quantum particles are vibrations in their respective fields. An electron is simply a fluctuation in the electron field, same goes for all fundamental particles like quarks, bosons, gluons fermions etc
All matter is made up these fundamental particles, like the proton is made up of two up quarks and a down quark held together by a gluon.

Physicists have successfully fluctuated Higgs field creating a boson out of nothing, physics is cool rryy? 8-)

Now back to hawkin's statement, and the bucket analogy. Space would've been undisturbed just like the bucket until there were massive fluctuations in the quantum fields or in the case of the bucket till I put the stones in, and because space can't expand into anything or in the case of the bucket, the water couldn't spill out - gravity was created.

Hope I've educated some minds, mods lalasticlala seun I hope this makes fp.

This was the first episode of physics with seun.

Joshuabase:
THE Christian God is an ever receding pocket of ignorance,the more we know - the less we need him. - Niel degrasse Tyson

zzzzy:
So you are an atheist?

Joshuabase:
I think it's pretty obvious

zzzzy:
so there are atheists in Nigeria? I've seen a lot of 'em on google plus. Well, atheism only makes me believe in the existence of God more. So you really think the world came out of nothing. Screw all knowledge and "facts", God exists.

Joshuabase:
"Theists don't just believe in what's not real, they also deny reality to satisfy their delusions"

tartar9:
if we can accept God came from nothing why not do the same with the universe
and gravity is a curvature of space-time

Joshuabase:
Before the discovery of the Higgs boson,in 1975 Quantum physicist wondered why some particles had mass and others didn't, of course dumb theists jumped to conclude "God did it". Peter Higgs proposed a theory of a mass giving quantum field - he called it the Higgs field.

In 2013, the large hadron collider discovered the Higgs boson, the particle that proved the Higgs field existed. Scientists called it the "God particle" in order to mock the theists that said "God did it", they said the Higgs field "retired" God and it's the new God.

efficiencie:
...that a boson particle came out of nothing is arrant balderdash...first there's a Higgs field, and next a fluctuation...n gbosaaaaa a boson particle is born...please produce that particle without a field and without fluctuations and then it becomes easy to accept the Hawkinian intellectual hogwash you are feeding us with...

efficiencie:
wrong deduction sir! Christians and Theists do not claim God came from nothing...rather they claim He's the origin of all existence yet without origin...and if God came out of nothing then nothing is the source of everything which is a disturbing contradiction...

Joshuabase:
holl up, i have a meme for this.

Joshuabase:
produce a particle without a corresponding field? sure with e=mc^2

efficiencie:
Lol, funny!!!

If i state a stochastic function:

Y=f(X)+u where u~NIID(0,§)

meaning X determines Y but not vice versa, the model would have been taken as complete but if we find that Z determines X then it would be erroneous to deal with that equation alone hence we have:

Y=f(X)+u(y)
X=f(Z)+u(x)
where u(x)~NIID(0,§); u(y)~NIID(0,§)

If we keep this up we get a system of infinite equations and at some point econometricians may have to end the madness...

Now my point is that if creation was from pre-existing materials, we must ask how the pre-existing materials came about...this leads back to the original problem of finding the originator of existence...and soon it leads to a state of infinite regress. To truncate this regress, it becomes pertinent for there to exist a primordial creator who made stuff without pre-existing materials or created pre-existing material without pre-existing material...a truncation of this regress must hold...

Joshuabase:
conclusion -
Everything needs a creator, something can't come from nothing.
god was that creator he created something from nothing.
god doesn't need a creator he created himself from nothing.

your explanation fails woefully when it contradicts itself. And you call atheists illogical?
I give up, please dont reply me

Joshuabase:
Some time ago, Stephen hawkin made the famous quote, "Because such a law as gravity exists, the universe can and will create itself from nothing."

While I was still a Christian I heard this quote - I found it strange and I decided to understand what gravity truly was. Now 3 years later I'm here educating those who don't know what the quote meant.
i
First off before I begin the explanation, I would like to add that in the movie "gods not dead" this quote was called a claim. And not an actual proof that the universe came from nothing. But those of us who understand quantum mechanics and the quantum field theory know that it is a perfectly logical statement. If I say 2 + 2 is 4 then 3 + 1 must also be 4. If gravity exists then the universe must've come from nothing.

Now let's understand gravity, most of you think gravity is a force. . . Wrong gravity is a curvature in space. Here's an analogy - imagine a bucket of water filled to the brim whose water is not allowed to spill out, because the water isn't allowed to spill out, if I force stones into the bucket the atoms of water become tightly packed around these stones. In order to provide space for the stones. Matter is the stone, water is the space. Matter, no matter how small warps space causing space to become tightly packed around it. If a larger object warps the space around it, then any smaller object that passes through the warped space (gravity) the relative velocity is slowed and it is pulled towards the larger object. This model of gravity was proposed by Einstein, most of you probably didn't know, but this is why Einstein was the most respected physicist. This model of gravity predicted gravitational lensing, time dilation, black holes etc
But there are two ways space is warped either it's tightly packed or stretched inwards. Planets warp space to become tightly packed around them, but when a star collapses and occupies it's schwatzchild radius(talk about that later) I.e it occupies significantly less space, about 1/1000 of it 's original size, it stretches or warps space inwards.

Microsoft's new windows 8 and 10 animation mirror what would happen if matter interacts with a black hole or neutron star a phenomenon called "spagettification" . On a Windows loading screen notice how at first the "balls" move uniformly? They are moving through unwarped space. Then they all fall or slide out one by one? They are approaching a black hole. When you approach a black hole, your individual atoms are pulled in one by one and stretched out until you are completely disintegrated. If you want to learn more about gravity I recommend a YouTube channel called PBS spacetime

Now we'll talk about quantum field theory, which states that all quantum particles are vibrations in their respective fields. An electron is simply a fluctuation in the electron field, same goes for all fundamental particles like quarks, bosons, gluons fermions etc
All matter is made up these fundamental particles, like the proton is made up of two up quarks and a down quark held together by a gluon.

Physicists have successfully fluctuated Higgs field creating a boson out of nothing, physics is cool rryy? 8-)

Now back to hawkin's statement, and the bucket analogy. Space would've been undisturbed just like the bucket until there were massive fluctuations in the quantum fields or in the case of the bucket till I put the stones in, and because space can't expand into anything or in the case of the bucket, the water couldn't spill out - gravity was created.

Hope I've educated some minds, mods lalasticlala seun I hope this makes fp.

This was the first episode of physics with seun.