omonnakoda:
Not in the UK law which we have inherited. I believe the UK is quite sane. Also not in Native law

As long as the father is not married to the mother.

Google rights of unmarried fathers.

Marriage is not a trivial contract

The hierarchy of guardian in the UK is based on the names of the child's birth certificate.

Anyway, the spambot just banned my last post. I'll edit it and repost it now.

omonnakoda:
Where did I assert that kindly supply a quote before we revert to voodoo mode

What is the title of this thread?

Can you provide one case from ANYWHERE in the world where a child has been removed from mother because of cannabis use and no other reason
JUST ONE !!

omonnakoda:
Where did I assert that kindly supply a quote before we revert to voodoo mode

What is the title of this thread?

Can you provide one case from ANYWHERE in the world where a child has been removed from mother because of cannabis use and no other reason
JUST ONE !!

In your own words:

omonnakoda:

We were told that the baby was not in the mother's custody when the sample was taken and we are told the baby was taken from her forcefully so I do not see any meaningful legal conclusions being drawn from this report. My instinct however is to disbelieve it as propaganda with an eye on legal battle. Even if the mother used or uses cannabis that is of itself, insufficient to dispossess her of the child unless there are other issues.

omonnakoda:
The report is a sham

what sample was tested was it blood urine saliva or what?

Already there is a huge mistake in their scheme

The report MUST mention the sample type

omonnakoda:
I think it was Chinua Achebe that said "Until lions have their storytellers ,the tale of the hunt will always glorify the hunter"

Propaganda is the telling of stories with no right of reply.

Is it inconceivable that a Nigerian mind with a lot of money can pay doctors to produce such a report?

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Cannabis is an illegal drug and I'm sure there are tons of cases but I can't be arsed to start searching. However, I'll give you example of a drug user who lost custody of her children: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/12/08/hair_drug_tests_a_mothers_anguish_over_losing_her_girls.html

And this is from a legal source: http://info.legalzoom.com/child-custody-loss-parental-rights-drug-abuse-23891.html

Joavid:


Yes. And she has said nothing concrete so far. Apart from her uncle who was trying to paint the Davido's family black and never mentioned the cannabis part.

She owes no one an explanation.She is not a celebrity and not everyone is obliged to live their lives on social media
I hope they resolve their issues amicably but if they have to go to court maybe then we shall hear her own side.
However I take the following view.
Testing positive for cannabis does not disqualify a mother. There are so many things to take into consideration and if one has not had any practical involvement in these proceedings one should be reticent. If you leave in the West any day you have nothing to do visit family courts often access is granted to the public.
Parenting is not easy and we should not rush to judge. Even women with learning difficulties can be good mothers and sometimes need support whether from church ,family etc. We should not always go for the nuclear bomb option but think about the child.I sometimes wonder about people who call themselves Christian and Muslims and how judgmental they can be.
There is good in everyone. The most important person for an infant is their mother and she will need to do more than smoke cannabis to have her removed. Money cannot replace everything

Iba fun awon Iya
praise to the mothers
Latojoku awede we 'mo
Praise to the spirit that cleans me inside out

Chinwem:


I appreciate your view my sister

The lab was in Nigeria (some of the specialised test samples are sent to South Aftica sometimes, I don't know if that was the case here) the baby mama did not go to Dubai with them
The test was done on the baby mama in Nigeria
The baby was sent to Dubai based on the report regardless when it was printed /collected
The lab address is at the top plus phone number in Nigeria- that's their head office on Lagos

At the end of the day it's for the courts to request their own copy direct from the lab to verify

It's ok to not believe the report
I chose to believe it
We can agree to disagree
I m not here to convince anyone
My own mind is made up

hmmmm

Are you Davido's sister?

It is not going to hold

If it were me sha o

omonnakoda:
She owes no one an explanation.She is not a celebrity and not everyone is obliged to live their lives on social media
I hope they resolve their issues amicably but if they have to go to court maybe then we shall hear her own side.
However I take the following view.
Testing positive for cannabis does not disqualify a mother. There are so many things to take into consideration and if one has not had any practical involvement in these proceedings one should be reticent. If you leave in the West any day you have nothing to do visit family courts often access is granted to the public.
Parenting is not easy and we should not rush to judge. Even women with learning difficulties can be good mothers and sometimes need support whether from church ,family etc. We should not always go for the nuclear bomb option but think about the child.I sometimes wonder about people who call themselves Christian and Muslims and how judgmental they can be.
There is good in everyone. The most important person for an infant is their mother and she will need to do more than smoke cannabis to have her removed. Money cannot replace everything

Iba fun awon Iya
praise to the mothers
Latojoku awede we 'mo
Praise to the spirit that cleans me inside out

With the way they treated the issue, I won't b surprised if they planned the whole thing to trick the mother in giving up her kids


Can you imagine what would have happened if it were someone with no powerful family members

ProfShymex:




In your own words:









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Cannabis is an illegal drug and I'm sure there are tons of cases but I can't be arsed to start searching. However, I'll give you example of a drug user who lost custody of her children: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/12/08/hair_drug_tests_a_mothers_anguish_over_losing_her_girls.html

And this is from a legal source: http://info.legalzoom.com/child-custody-loss-parental-rights-drug-abuse-23891.html

Drug users can lose custody of their children (in this case I was specific to cannabis) just like churchgoers or ewedu eaters can lose custody the issue is causation number one . The point is there is no caase where cannabis use ALONE will lead to that there must be evidence of harm active or neglect passive.
There is NO SINGLE CASE where there is no evidence of harm and custody is lost because of cannabis use NONE.
Also there are many STEPS before custody is lost and all these steps are aimed at rehabilitation and retrieval. No one will lose custody because of one cannabis test and no other relevant issues

omonnakoda:

Drug users can lose custody of their children (in this case I was specific to cannabis) just like churchgoers or ewedu eaters can lose custody the issue is causation number one . The point is there is no caase where cannabis use ALONE will lead to that there must be evidence of harm active or neglect passive.
There is NO SINGLE CASE where there is no evidence of harm and custody is lost because of cannabis use NONE.
Also there are many STEPS before custody is lost and all these steps are aimed at rehabilitation and retrieval. No one will lose custody because of one cannabis test and no other relevant issues

Now, you're being pedantic and the paralysis by analysis is evident is in this post.

Is cannabis an illegal drug - YES or NO?

So, if it's, do cannabis users fall into drug users - YES or NO?

It's pretty much straightforward.

Joavid:


There you go again!

I agree he's a spoilt brat. That's no news. But then I personally think he did the right thing in a wrong way.

I know you don't like this guy, I don't like his music either. But c'mon! This is a man who flies out his baby to Dubai and USA for medical checkups and treatment and you say he doesn't care?

My point is why would a breastfeeding mum smoke weed?
She's definitely a spoilt brat too with no sense and maternal instinct.
And if I were the father of the child, ofcourse I will take my child.

He flies them out because he has the fvcking money

What is the big deal?

daretodiffer:



With the way they treated the issue, I won't b surprised if they planned the whole thing to trick the mother in giving up her kids


Can you imagine what would have happened if it were someone with no powerful family members

Well it is difficult to have a general discussion with Nigerians as they always want to take sides and make the issue a binary issue with one party good and the other bad. Life is not that simple.

One must have a vision of what is in the child's interest and for me the fist thing is they should STOP ALL public commentary and try and work on a win-win solution. If indeed cannabis use is an issue then the solution is medical help and no stigmatization.
It is usually a symptom of something else

dinggle:
Dele Momodu is a fool!....which fight is he fighting?...the worst thing they can do to the baby is returning her to the mother who has shown gross irresponsibility. She has the right to smoke shit but she has no right to infect the baby.
But wait ooo na where Davido see this trash called Sophia..........see the fake name when yoruba parent name yoruba pickin ....in my days the name for disqualify her upon introduction!

The only people that has the interest of Imade is Davido and his family....he took the wrong step and actually saved Sophia from child abuse charge and possible jail term. He should have reported to the cops and followed it up in court to remove Imade legally from yeye sophia.

Ode!

omonnakoda:
Well it is difficult to have a general discussion with Nigerians as they always want to take sides and make the issue a binary issue with one party good and the other bad. Life is not that simple.

One must have a vision of what is in the child's interest and for me the fist thing is they should STOP ALL public commentary and try and work on a win-win solution. If indeed cannabis use is an issue then the solution is medical help and no stigmatization.
It is usually a symptom of something else

I agree with you 100%


You are dealing with people who are crazy about the useless being called Davido and those who believe that because she is a woman she has to 100% perfect!

daretodiffer:


hmmmm

Are you Davido's sister?

It is not going to hold

If it were me sha o

My sister this kind of question.........
No I am not Davidos sister
Are you Sophia s uncle?

I just read the complete gist...

While not supporting anyone in this case, Agbaya Dele Momodu, you were plain wrong to bring the issue to the internet. You are an old man but the way you behave at times makes me wonder...

You could have called them aside and tried to resolve the issue... You could have reported to the Obas and the other 2 you mentioned were your contact to the Adeleke family, you could have done so many things, but you chose to run to the internet with pictures and stup!d captions.

And to think you wanted to be a president of Nigeria baffles me, when you cant even manage a simple family brawl. You are the loser in all of this, afterall Sophia and Davido are kids and you are the adult here. Smh!

I also observed something here.... Babymama was not considered family despite the fact that she is the baby’s mama. Lol! I guess Sophia has got to be the scapegoat to all the potential baby mamas out there. Ladies should learn from this.

Hopefully, there'll be little or no baby mama drama this 2016

Shymm3x:


Now, you're being pedantic and the paralysis by analysis is evident is in this post.

Is cannabis an illegal drug - YES or NO?

So, if it's, do cannabis users fall into drug users - YES or NO?

It's pretty much straightforward.

I am sorry but your logic is upside down.
There is no logical system in which all members of a category are equal
A lion is a cat but we do not keep it as an indoor pet
Illegal drugs have Classes ABC etc with different sanctions and perceptions.
At any rate the medical evidence for cannabis is changing its legal status
but the issue here is not that . Even if it were a class A drug with a 20 year tariff So what

She goes to jail fr 20 years . Legally the child reverts to her family

So we can focus on the drug issue or the custody issue at
But the drug issue is an allegation and WE MUST NOT ACT AS IF IT IS PROVEN

No I am not being pedantic cannabis use is not treated the same way as crack cocaine use in custody hearings. Users of cannabis are not as chaotic and better able to parent with less impairment.

So you choose what you want to talk about in no LEGAL variation does custody of the child revert to Davido

The issue for me is a pragmatic one what is best for the child if the dispute is reduced to I must win and you must lose then I do not see Davido winning on the basis of this test result

omonnakoda:
I am sorry but your logic is upside down.
There is no logical system in which all members of a category are equal
A lion is a cat but we do not keep it as an indoor pet
Illegal drugs have Classes ABC etc with different sanctions and perceptions.
At any rate the medical evidence for cannabis is changing its legal status
but the issue here is not that . Even if it were a class A drug with a 20 year tariff So what

She goes to jail fr 20 years . Legally the child reverts to her family

So we can focus on the drug issue or the custody issue at
But the drug issue is an allegation and WE MUST NOT ACT AS IF IT IS PROVEN

No I am not being pedantic cannabis use is not treated the same way as crack cocaine use in custody hearings. Users of cannabis are not as chaotic and better able to parent with less impairment.

So you choose what you want to talk about in no LEGAL variation does custody of the child revert to Davido

The issue for me is a pragmatic one what is best for the child if the dispute is reduced to I must win and you must lose then I do not see Davido winning on the basis of this test result

Are you a lawyer?

daretodiffer:


Are you a lawyer?

I am a polyglot

omonnakoda:
I am a polyglot

Great!

Are you a female or a male?

twoondei:
Check the report date. Came after all this drama started.

That is a nebulizer, y'all can Google its use. ??breathing exercises?

Besides, wetin concern me sef?

Nebulizer is not for breathing exercise. It is usually for breathing problems like bronchitis, asthma and other lungs relaTed issues.

omonnakoda:
I am sorry but your logic is upside down.
There is no logical system in which all members of a category are equal
A lion is a cat but we do not keep it as an indoor pet
Illegal drugs have Classes ABC etc with different sanctions and perceptions.
At any rate the medical evidence for cannabis is changing its legal status
but the issue here is not that . Even if it were a class A drug with a 20 year tariff So what

My logic is upside down or you just love arguing for the sake of it?

Is illegal drug under the legal charter classified into class A, B, or C - to determine drug abusers? So why are you being pedantic? And stop talking about medical evidence - it has no bearing on the current jurisprudence. Let's stick to the law.

Anyway, if you don't the difference between legal and illegal drugs - this is the GCSE level definition:

Legal drugs are drugs that are prescribed to a patient by their doctor or bought over the counter. Illegal drugs include prescription drugs that have been dangerously modified and substances that are banned by law.

So, is cannabis illegal in Nigeria - YES or NO?

Shymm3x:


My logic is upside down or you just love arguing for the sake of it?

Is illegal drug under the legal charter classified into class A, B, or C - to determine drug abusers? So why are you being pedantic? And stop talking about medical evidence - it has no bearing on the current jurisprudence. Let's stick to the law.

Anyway, if you don't the difference between legal and illegal drugs - this is the GCSE level definition:

Legal drugs are drugs that are prescribed to a patient by their doctor or bought over the counter. Illegal drugs include prescription drugs that have been dangerously modified and substances that are banned by law.

So, is cannabis illegal in Nigeria - YES or NO?

Are drugs the subject of discussion here?
Is this an NDLEA seminar?

Shymm3x:


My logic is upside down or you just love arguing for the sake of it?

Is illegal drug under the legal charter classified into class A, B, or C - to determine drug abusers? So why are you being pedantic? And stop talking about medical evidence - it has no bearing on the current jurisprudence. Let's stick to the law.

Anyway, if you don't the difference between legal and illegal drugs - this is the GCSE level definition:

Legal drugs are drugs that are prescribed to a patient by their doctor or bought over the counter. Illegal drugs include prescription drugs that have been dangerously modified and substances that are banned by law.

So, is cannabis illegal in Nigeria - YES or NO?

if any person has been arrested for drugs or drug issues then they should be charged to court so while cannabis is at issue we are not concerned with criminal issues but custody.
At custody hearings the consideration will be whether her parenting capacity is irretrievably impaired or not and then WHO should get custody

So this issue of drug legality is a criminal matter and we do not have enough facts to deliberate that matter. It is merely an allegation as far as I know

Shymm3x:


My logic is upside down or you just love arguing for the sake of it?

Is illegal drug under the legal charter classified into class A, B, or C - to determine drug abusers? So why are you being pedantic? And stop talking about medical evidence - it has no bearing on the current jurisprudence. Let's stick to the law.

Anyway, if you don't the difference between legal and illegal drugs - this is the GCSE level definition:

Legal drugs are drugs that are prescribed to a patient by their doctor or bought over the counter. Illegal drugs include prescription drugs that have been dangerously modified and substances that are banned by law.

So, is cannabis illegal in Nigeria - YES or NO?

What does the word "jurispudence" mean?

Do you know that Ogogoro without NAFDAC number is illegal in Nigeria? So what?
With respect sir you are a lightweight and have nothing to offer

omonnakoda:
Are drugs the subject of discussion here?
Is this an NDLEA seminar?

Lol.

I should be the one asking you that since you keep classifying illegal drugs in different classes when the law is simple and straight-forward.

Mr. Majestic "intellectual", it's obvious you have no argument whatsoever, from feigning ignorance about knowledge of the background story, to making one utter ridiculous claims after the other, to ya endless need to cite medical references when you said it's about jurisprudence.

Even a kid knows that anything that has to do with illegal drug is drug abuse.

Anyway, I've got NFL to focus on. Let's agree to disagree.

I wanted to go into music but papa kept saying, 'face your books son '.
This could have been me oh! small boy in millions #smh I luv Davido!!!! this acula just come use her weedy toto spoil the guy runs.

daretodiffer:


Are you a lawyer?

That is a heavily biased person who is struggling to justify a woman with tested results of hard drugs and its effect on a baby and necessities of motherhood.

baralatie:

That is a heavily biased person who is struggling to justify a woman with tested results of hard drugs and its effect on a baby and necessities of motherhood.

Oh please!

daretodiffer:


Oh please!

Of course it is!
The person is caught between how to save the mother of the baby with a the mother of the baby having a hard drug substance in her blood stream

This is a report for some form of sample collected from SOPHIA MOMODU in JULY 2015 and it shows that she tested positive to CANNABIS... Fine, no wahala there.

Can they now produce a similar document which shows that the baby has cannabis in her system or is suffering from anything that can be remotely related to it!?. The photo of the baby with that thing over her face clearly doesn't prove anything...

While they are it, perhaps tests on Davido, Coco and whoever else that baby has been hanging out with since she was retrieved will make sense too!

RuuDie:
This is a report for some form of sample collected from SOPHIA MOMODU in JULY 2015 and it shows that she tested positive to CANNABIS... Fine, no wahala there.

Can they now produce a similar document which shows that the baby has cannabis in her system or is suffering from anything that can be remotely related to it!?. The photo of the baby with that thing over her face clearly doesn't prove anything...

While they are it, perhaps tests on Davido, Coco and whoever else that baby has been hanging out with since she was retrieved will make sense too!

If those tests results are accurate, do you really see nothing wrong with a nursing mother testing positive to that kinda thing? This is more than enough proof to get Imade’s custody in the court of law because as a breastfeeding mother, there are so many behaviors that are prohibited. These types of behaviour actually threatens the health and welfare of the child.

RuuDie:
This is a report for some form of sample collected from SOPHIA MOMODU in JULY 2015 and it shows that she tested positive to CANNABIS... Fine, no wahala there.

Can they now produce a similar document which shows that the baby has cannabis in her system or is suffering from anything that can be remotely related to it!?. The photo of the baby with that thing over her face clearly doesn't prove anything...

While they are it, perhaps tests on Davido, Coco and whoever else that baby has been hanging out with since she was retrieved will make sense too!

Well I think from here on public glare into this issue is not advisable.
A lot of unnecessary strain is being flung into the public and it us rather unfortunate.naturally David putting such an information in public domain shows that he lacks a lot of SKILLS required to solve,nature and make a positive impart in the lives of the people around him.
The adults around both parents are not helping in the proper direction and solution of the issues at hand.
There are three persons SERIOUSLY TIED and CARELESSNESS can be costly
i,the child
ii,the mother
iii,the father
Each depends on one another and usually what the issue needs is a love based solution not an ego fight,not a class war.
The issue of drugs also affects the father of the as well as the child.
The adults from both family should out up a better nature solution that this!
David should realise the mother of his child is part of his life and whatever baggage she carries,God will give him wisdom and victory and the mother(hmmm)she has to say a very good mountain of fire goodbye to drugs and high life!

Favolly:

If those tests results are accurate, do you really see nothing wrong with a nursing mother testing positive to that kinda thing? This is more than enough proof to get Imade’s custody in the court of law because as a breastfeeding mother, there are so many behaviors that are prohibited. These types of behaviour actually threatens the health and welfare of the child.

Nothing wrong if she can be encouraged to Clean up her act... Every one deserves a second chance. But then again, it also has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt! Like someone noted here, kids were born and raised in Fela's shrine too o!! It isn't enough to show us cannabis traces without seeing the damage it has done or come close to doing... It's like detaining someone for a crime they they said they will commit!!!

omonnakoda:
She owes no one an explanation.She is not a celebrity and not everyone is obliged to live their lives on social media
I hope they resolve their issues amicably but if they have to go to court maybe then we shall hear her own side.
However I take the following view.
Testing positive for cannabis does not disqualify a mother. There are so many things to take into consideration and if one has not had any practical involvement in these proceedings one should be reticent. If you leave in the West any day you have nothing to do visit family courts often access is granted to the public.
Parenting is not easy and we should not rush to judge. Even women with learning difficulties can be good mothers and sometimes need support whether from church ,family etc. We should not always go for the nuclear bomb option but think about the child.I sometimes wonder about people who call themselves Christian and Muslims and how judgmental they can be.
There is good in everyone. The most important person for an infant is their mother and she will need to do more than smoke cannabis to have her removed. Money cannot replace everything

Iba fun awon Iya
praise to the mothers
Latojoku awede we 'mo
Praise to the spirit that cleans me inside out

If she owes no one an explanation why did she bother in the first place?

Who does Drugs when they are breastfeeding? Like seriously

You know what, people do not realise something until they put a mirror in front of them.

You have a baby with a lady you were dating. You accept total responsibility. The baby then happens to be a special needs child to the extent you have to fly her out of the country for medical checkup regularly and one day you get a call that your baby has been rushed to a hospital, and it is discovered that the baby has traces of cannabis in her system? (Forgot about every other thing) tell me how you will react in that very moment? Tell me how your father and sister will take it?

By the way all that talk about 'if-it-were-in-the-western-world' should stop. We are not in the western world. And quit the holy than thou attitude that money isn't everything.
It is!!
Millions of Babies survive without breast milk.

Finally, I repeat, Davido did the right thing, but in a wrong way.