PrinceEvolution:
i understand u but not as lucid as i expected, do u mean there might be a conspiracy theory in this brouhaha as it were?

No conspiracy theory o abeg, I'm just an observer, and I just dey look dey poke holes everywhere for those for and against. Just playing Original devil's advocate.
Honestly, I'm on a queue for fuel, almost my turn but kinda bored

daretodiffer:


I doubt the report

They claimed she had weed in her system as at June/July (the collection date vs report date), I believe and it was also claimed that the test took place in Dubai not in Lagos

A man who could afford to be the only graduate of Music studies in his university surely have enough money to throw around for most things

This does not mean that the hospital is not reliable on other medical issue but I doubt the credibility of this report

I appreciate your view my sister

The lab was in Nigeria (some of the specialised test samples are sent to South Aftica sometimes, I don't know if that was the case here) the baby mama did not go to Dubai with them
The test was done on the baby mama in Nigeria
The baby was sent to Dubai based on the report regardless when it was printed /collected
The lab address is at the top plus phone number in Nigeria- that's their head office on Lagos

At the end of the day it's for the courts to request their own copy direct from the lab to verify

It's ok to not believe the report
I chose to believe it
We can agree to disagree
I m not here to convince anyone
My own mind is made up

Joavid:


There you go again!

I agree he's a spoilt brat. That's no news. But then I personally think he did the right thing in a wrong way.

I know you don't like this guy, I don't like his music either. But c'mon! This is a man who flies out his baby to Dubai and USA for medical checkups and treatment and you say he doesn't care?

My point is why would a breastfeeding mum smoke weed?
She's definitely a spoilt brat too with no sense and maternal instinct.
And if I were the father of the child, ofcourse I will take my child.

It is easy to pass judgment from a distance. Many people who use drugs have emotional problems and use drugs as a form of self medication not because they are bad people. In fact that is the only way many can function. We do not have well developed mental health services in Nigerian and these things are often overlooked. Far too many women smoke cannabis or use alcohol which by the way is more destructive than cannabis and is the favourite drug for self medication. The difference between the two is legal status and that even makes alcohol more dangerous..Apart from alcohol there are many PRESCRIBED drugs that are harmful or secreted in breast milk. That is not the issue. The issue is how the public have been manipulated to fcus on that issue neglecting the real parenting. What evidence have we that she was actually breastfeeding?
Was the child underweight,dirty? covered in bruises or lice( I have seen lice in the infant child of a banker.
Sometimes what is required is support have you considered that the prospect of being a single mother can drive a woman to drugs or suicide?
A true adjudicator will explore what kind of family support the mother has ,in some cases intitute mandatory drug testing just like for athletes and other measures all with the aim of making her a better mother and ensuring best outcome for child not tryingg to make it into a contest in which there must be a winner and a loser

eyinjuege:
That wasn't the baby's report for drugs, but rather the mother's urine test-. Sophia Momodu.

This is for all those arguing about the report being doctored or the baby being fed cannabis to discredit the mother.

The report is the Mother's.
Invertedhammer
Forwetinnah
Omonnakoda
Etc abeg

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I know it is the mother's sample. Samples can be mishandled or tainted (especially in this case in which a wealthy family has ulterior motives). Professionals in Nigeria are very cheap and easy to be compromised.

I like how people argue that the lab result will hold in court. Even in a criminal case, when a sample is "believed" to have been mishandled, the result is not admissible as evidence.

The Adelekes threw their power around. The only saving grace is Dele Momodu's contact in Aso Rock. That's how Africa works. If the lady has nobody backing her, this will not even be a story. Does she use cannabis? Possibly. I doubt anyone that hangs around Davido doesn't use it. They wanted to use her weakness against her but they went about it the wrong way. It is shameful that they had to use MoPol to take the child without recourse to the legal way. They so much believed in their power and wealth. Man proposes; God disposes. The plan backfired big time.
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InvertedHammer:

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I know it is the mother's sample. Samples can be mishandled or tainted (especially in this case in which a wealthy family has ulterior motives). Professionals in Nigeria are very cheap and easy to be compromised.

I like how people argue that the lab result will hold in court. Even in a criminal case, when a sample is "believed" to have been mishandled, the result is not admissible as evidence.

The Adelekes threw their power around. The only saving grace is Dele Momodu's contact in Aso Rock. That's how Africa works. If the lady has nobody backing her, this will not even be a story. Does she use cannabis? Possibly. I doubt anyone that hangs around Davido doesn't use it. They wanted to use her weakness against her but they went about it the wrong way. It is shameful that they had to use MoPol to take the child without recourse to the legal way. They so much believed in their power and wealth. Man proposes; God disposes. The plan backfired big time.
/

They have no legal stand because he never married her and the child "BELONGS" to the mothers' father

in my own opinion, d weed inside dat child was given to d child unknowingly by davido.d dude smokes weed nd his boys too.d child has been with em since July I guess nd its enough for d child to sniff some marijuana from his shirts nd those of his crew.y blame d poor mother?

omonnakoda:


It is easy to pass judgment from a distance. Many people who use drugs have emotional problems and use drugs as a form of self medication not because they are bad people. In fact that is the only way many can function. We do not have well developed mental health services in Nigerian and these things are often overlooked. Far too many women smoke cannabis or use alcohol which by the way is more destructive than cannabis and is the favourite drug for self medication. The difference between the two is legal status and that even makes alcohol more dangerous.. Apart from alcohol there are many PRESCRIBED drugs that are harmful or secreted in breast milk. That is not the issue. The issue is how the public have been manipulated to fcus on that issue neglecting the real parenting. What evidence have we that she was actually breastfeeding?
Was the child underweight,dirty? covered in bruises or lice( I have seen lice in the infant child of a banker.
Sometimes what is required is support have you considered that the prospect of being a single mother can drive a woman to drugs or suicide?
A true adjudicator will explore what kind of family support the mother has ,in some cases intitute mandatory drug testing just like for athletes and other measures all with the aim of making her a better mother and ensuring best outcome for child not tryingg to make it into a contest in which there must be a winner and a loser

@ bolded Yep. That's why there are pre natal and post natal medical appointments, so mothers have been warned.

What exactly is your point?

Joavid:


@ bolded Yep. That's why there are pre natal and post natal medical appointments, so mothers have been warned.

What exactly is your point?

The bolded is not the point and not the most important issue in my post so why focus on that? I already said and you highlighted it is not the point so why Major in minors? The point is how to get an outcome that is good for the child
If you do not get it just move on

omonnakoda:
They have no legal stand because he never married her and the child "BELONGS" to the mothers' father

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The legal stand they have is that the child is Davido's daughter as proved by DNA test. This is not a traditional issue. If the baby's life is at stake, the dad has every right to protect his daughter.
/

InvertedHammer:

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The legal stand they have is that the child is Davido's daughter as proved by DNA test. This is not a traditional issue. If the baby's life is at stake, the dad has every right to protect his daughter.
/

Are yo familiar with the law in Nigeria on the rights of unmarried fathers and legitimacy or are you saying what seems good to your mind? If you are not married to a woman and she has a child and eg she dies you have no right to retrieve the child from her family. whether traditional or otherwise.
Do not assume

eyinjuege:


No conspiracy theory o abeg, I'm just an observer, and I just dey look dey poke holes everywhere for those for and against. Just playing Original devil's advocate.
Honestly, I'm on a queue for fuel, almost my turn but kinda bored

lol...happy queuing ...

With all these evidences flying about I wonder what NDLEA is waiting for? I'm sure Sophia and davido are also experimenting with meth and coke.

omonnakoda:
Are yo familiar with the law in Nigeria on the rights of unmarried fathers and legitimacy or are you saying what seems good to your mind? If you are not married to a woman and she has a child and eg she dies you have no right to retrieve the child from her family. whether traditional or otherwise.
Do not assume

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I am dealing with the fact not hypothetical situation.
In this case, the mother did not die. If the father is wealthy, the lady's family will not fight him. They will advice him to come and perform marriage rites. And as the child grows, he/she will most likely identify with the wealthy father if the father wants.

Things are changing. Remember...It used to be a shame to be tagged a babymama. But now some ladies are wearing it as a badge of honour if the man is wealthy, famous or powerful.
/

InvertedHammer:

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I am dealing with the fact not hypothetical situation.
In this case, the mother did not die. If the father is wealthy, the lady's family will not fight him. They will advice him to come and perform marriage rites. And as the child grows, he/she will most likely identify with the wealthy father if the father wants.

Things are changing. Remember...It used to be a shame to be tagged a babymama. But now some ladies are wearing it as a badge of honour if the man is wealthy, famous or powerful.
/

I too am dealing with fact, law specifically. That was the essence on my entry. The mother dies is worst case scenario just to illustrate how weak the father's position is legally such that even when the wife dies he still has no say

so in the situation that she is still alive the father has NO SAY and that is the essence of the Marriage contract and the protection it gives. If you impregnate a woman you have responsibilities but if you do not marry her you have no rights to custody. That is NOT my view or opinion that is the situation in English common law which we inherited and in all our native laws that I know in Yoruba land and elsewhere even Ibolnd(I stand to be corrected). The issue of wealth is interesting but has nothing to do with the legal situation so let us not broaden the discussion. My point was purely on the legal one. A father who does not marry a woman has no custody rights to a child
In this case the father has no interest in marrying the mother so the question of marriage rites does not arise and ordinarily such a child would be illegitimate e.g with regard to customary rights of the child to inherit property/titles .

What is the key fact here: Father does not want to marry mother
No doubt times are changing but so far the law has not I only spoke about LAW

Dele Momodu is a fool!....which fight is he fighting?...the worst thing they can do to the baby is returning her to the mother who has shown gross irresponsibility. She has the right to smoke shit but she has no right to infect the baby.
But wait ooo na where Davido see this trash called Sophia..........see the fake name when yoruba parent name yoruba pickin ....in my days the name for disqualify her upon introduction!

The only people that has the interest of Imade is Davido and his family....he took the wrong step and actually saved Sophia from child abuse charge and possible jail term. He should have reported to the cops and followed it up in court to remove Imade legally from yeye sophia.

InvertedHammer:

/I am dealing with the fact not hypothetical situation.
In this case, the mother did not die. If the father is wealthy, the lady's family will not fight him. They will advice him to come and perform marriage rites. And as the child grows, he/she will most likely identify with the wealthy father if the father wants.

Things are changing. Remember...It used to be a shame to be tagged a babymama. But now some ladies are wearing it as a badge of honour if the man is wealthy, famous or powerful.
/

cc: omonnakoda

You lot just want this guy to turn a sket into a housewife. Would you even lot accept a kid from a sket you had a casual relationship, especially someone your dad's friend has also paid to sleep with?

I believe you lot are basically just trying to crucify the guy and his family based on your perceived excesses/wrongs at the "end", while neglecting her wrongs in the "means". In life, there are always consequences for every action and what's being played out here is consequentialism. The "end" and "means" are always intertwined. And if you think the guy and his family have ulterior motives now, why not talk about the chic's ulterior motives in dubiously using the baby as a meal ticket?

She knew what she was getting herself into by forcing herself on a family far above her class, with the child as a bait. So why should anyone feel sorry for her when she's experiencing the consequences of her own actions?

Anyway, he has presented proof that she is an irresponsible mother and, they're trying to protect the innocent kid from her. Why not focus on what he presented and leave the extras alone? I'm sure if the report is a doctored one, the chic would be on social media now disputing it.

THE LAB TEST RESULTS CAN EITHER BE FAKE OR GENUINE.....LET BOTH PARTIES GO TO ANOTHER LABORATORY FOR THE TEST WITH WITNESSES ,SO WE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH.BUT DAVIDO IS TOO BIG FOR THIS DRAMA NOW.HIS FANS LOOK UP TO HIM..

Forwetinnah:


..the Sophia herself hasn't presented herself in a good light. She's trying to curry sympathy too..granted that alot of babies are exposed to smoke ( how many need a machine to help them breathe? ) etc, it's worse off when babies ingest it through breast milk. I know tones of expecting/new mothers who stopped eating certain things just for their babies...i also know a lot of weed smoking Dads produce normal babies, what's always important when it comes to babies. .is the mother! Let's not make excuses for irresponsibility. The result shows she was irresponsible

The result shows that the mother was irresponsible. However, that wasn't in doubt at any time. She didn't deny that she smoked Cannabis. In fact, that was why she left the baby with the Adelekes ( an arrangement with her, Dele Momodu and Davido's father ) so she would be visiting the baby until she was clean, ostensibly.

The reason why this matter became hoopla in the first place was the Adelekes attempting to spirit the baby abroad without the consent of the mother. I found that inexcusable. Davido's sister even lied that the baby was hers upon interrogation by Immigration officials. Obviously, that is a crime under the Nigerian constitution and the NAPTIP have officially said they would be investigating the matter.

The Elder Adeleke should advise his son to pipe down. By foiling their move to travel with the baby, Dele Momodu has already bested them in the first round of the clash between the families. This is a man that understands the power of the media and uses it adroitly. His release of the details and photos at the airport seemed silly to some but it was a deft master stroke. Davido is just a kid and the release of the lab result was infantile. Someone should put a leash on him lest he rubbishes himself and his father (an otherwise amiable gentleman ) even further.

Shymm3x:


cc: omonnakoda

You lot just want this guy to turn a sket into a housewife. Would you even lot accept a kid from a sket you had a casual relationship, especially someone your dad's friend has also paid to sleep with?

I believe you lot are basically just trying to crucify the guy and his family based on your perceived excesses/wrongs at the "end", while neglecting her wrongs in the "means". In life, there are always consequences for every action and what's being played out here is consequentialism. The "end" and "means" are always intertwined. And if you think the guy and his family have ulterior motives now, why not talk about the chic's ulterior motives in dubiously using the baby as a meal ticket?

She knew what she was getting herself into by forcing herself on a family far above her class, with the child as a bait. So why should anyone feel sorry for her when she's experiencing the consequences of her own actions?

Anyway, he has presented proof that she is an irresponsible mother and, they're trying to protect the innocent kid from her. Why not focus on what he presented and leave the extras alone? I'm sure if the report is a doctored one, the chic would be on social media now disputing it.

Why are you so mentally lazy ? Why talk like a child? only a child reduces the world to binary situations. Honestly I have no interest in him . I like to have abstract an d intellectual dicussions of general principles that should apply in similar situations GENERALLY( it is gratifying to have worthy partners for intellectual discussions.) At the end of the day if they go to court and the court rules that court ruling will become the law for ALL of us. That is the nature of jurisprudence. You may find this hard to believe but I had no idea who this Davido was until last month. I now realize how popular he is but it changes nothing. If I was him knowing myself when I was his age or at any age for that matter I would not marry her the point is in everything one must have good advice and know the law.

There was no need for this controversy. Eddie Murphy has many children did he marry their mothers? The point is to act with wisdom. Why use police and wash dirty line in public the real news these days is not who smokes cannabis but who does not. He could have used his money to manage the relationship with the mother better .
from a medical perspective the truth is cannabis is NOT as dangerous or as harmful to foetuses during pregnancy as alcohol and many use it so while I do not approve of it there is a lot worse that she could do.
I have seen nothing to convince me that this child should not grow up with its mother only those who do not have good mothers will support such a thing . Ok he does not want to marry her fine but he cannot say he will take the child because mother smokes weed

Afrok:
When weed affected S*erm fertilizes weed protected egg, then the foetus will be weed infected .

Worst of it, if the weed infected foetus is delivered and the weed addicted mother continues to feed the baby with her weed nourished breast milk, then the baby needs to be taken away from the WEED PARENTS .

I don read something! Uncle wole Soyinka the bahdguy

omonnakoda:

Why are you so mentally lazy ? Why talk like a child? only a child reduces the world to binary situations. Honestly I have no interest in him . I like to have abstract an d intellectual dicussions of general principles that should apply in similar situations GENERALLY( it is gratifying to have worthy partners for intellectual discussions.) At the end of the day if they go to court and the court rules that court ruling will become the law for ALL of us. That is the nature of jurisprudence. You may find this hard to believe but I had no idea who this Davido was until last month. I now realize how popular he is but it changes nothing. If I was him knowing myself when I was his age or at any age for that matter I would not marry her the point is in everything one must have good advice and know the law.

There was no need for this controversy. Eddie Murphy has many children did he marry their mothers? The point is to act with wisdom. Why use police and wash dirty line in public the real news these days is not who smokes cannabis but who does not. He could have used his money to manage the relationship with the mother better .
from a medical perspective the truth is cannabis is NOT as dangerous or as harmful to foetuses during pregnancy as alcohol and many use it so while I do not approve of it there is a lot worse that she could do.
I have seen nothing to convince me that this child should not grow up with its mother only those who do not have good mothers will support such a thing . Ok he does not want to marry her fine but he cannot say he will take the child because mother smokes weed

Why the ad hominem? If I decide to return the favour, you would go on your usual voodoo rants about mothers and fathers. But I would ignore that for now.

You posited that you don't have enough knowledge/information about the background story. However, you believe in your majestic "intellectual" supremeness that drawing from tidbits is enough to form a conclusive opinion on an issue as delicate as this, no? And also, I bet you don't know that in jurisprudence, where the law dictates action, it's illegal to smoke cannabis around kids. I believe cannabis is illegal in Nigeria and isn't this proof enough reason to take custody of the child away from the mum? Well, if you don't know, in a saner climes, with this proof alone, it's child abuse...and that's enough reason for the mother to lose the child.

Anyway, no need to expand into medical perspective here. Let's stick to jurisprudence and the illegality of the use of cannabis around infants.

Shymm3x:


Why the ad hominem? If I decide to return the favour, you would go on your usual voodoo rants about mothers and fathers. But I would ignore that for now.

You posited that you don't have enough knowledge/information about the background story. However, you believe in your majestic "intellectual" supremeness that drawing from tidbits is enough to form a conclusive opinion on an issue as delicate as this, no? And also, I bet you don't know that in jurisprudence, where the law dictates action, it's illegal to smoke cannabis around kids. I believe cannabis is illegal in Nigeria and isn't this proof enough reason to take custody of the child away from the mum? Well, if you don't know, in a saner climes, with this proof alone, it's child abuse...and that's enough reason for the mother to lose the child.

Anyway, no need to expand into medical perspective here. Let's stick to jurisprudence and the illegality of the use of cannabis around infants.

What is my opinion?

Shymm3x:


Why the ad hominem? If I decide to return the favour, you would go on your usual voodoo rants about mothers and fathers. But I would ignore that for now.

You posited that you don't have enough knowledge/information about the background story. However, you believe in your majestic "intellectual" supremeness that drawing from tidbits is enough to form a conclusive opinion on an issue as delicate as this, no? And also, I bet you don't know that in jurisprudence, where the law dictates action, it's illegal to smoke cannabis around kids. I believe cannabis is illegal in Nigeria and isn't this proof enough reason to take custody of the child away from the mum? Well, if you don't know, in a saner climes, with this proof alone, it's child abuse...and that's enough reason for the mother to lose the child.

Anyway, no need to expand into medical perspective here. Let's stick to jurisprudence and the illegality of the use of cannabis around infants.

What is my opinion?
I do not KNOW anything I am neutral except on the law whether or not she smokes cannabis is an ALLEGATION no more

Let us assume it is TRUE

What is the legal remedy available to Davido?


those are the issues

He is not married to the mother and if for any reason the mother is unfit or available he is not NEXT in the hierachy of guardians legally that is the law rather it falls to the mother's family starting with her father mother siblings.


Legally Davido HAS NO SAY
His introducing the cannabis story does not enhance hi position

This is not my view or desire just our law

The next question is : Is there a common sense solution that actually takes the child's interest into consideration and keeps both parents involved in the child's life. That for me is the way to think about it. and going beyong the current actors how can we entrench such systems and procedures for the 1000s of Davidos across our nation
This must have some value beyond titillation

NB I personally do not believe smoking cannabis is prima facie evidence for removal there must be evidencce for harm arising from that behaviour.As a practical measure there are not enough resources across Nigeria to accommodate such numbers . Maybe you do not know how many people smoke cannabis in Nigeria

weed smoking dad + weed smoking Mum =

omonnakoda:
What is my opinion?

I honestly don't think you have a cogent opinion cos you went from asserting that the proof which clearly stated the mother's name, belongs to the kid. To making claims that the use of cannabis by a nursing mother isn't enough to dispossess her of the kid, when it's clearly child abuse. And decided to focus on how the proof is most likely a doctored one, without any substantial evidence that it's doctored.

Shymm3x:


I honestly don't think you have a cogent opinion cos you went from asserting that the proof which clearly stated the mother's name, belongs to the kid. To making claims that the use of cannabis by a nursing mother isn't enough to dispossess her of the kid, when it's clearly child abuse. And decided to focus on how the proof is most likely a doctored one, without any substantial evidence that it's doctored.

Where did I assert that kindly supply a quote before we revert to voodoo mode

What is the title of this thread?

Can you provide one case from ANYWHERE in the world where a child has been removed from mother because of cannabis use and no other reason
JUST ONE !!

omonnakoda:
What is my opinion?
I do not KNOW anything I am neutral except on the law whether or not she smokes cannabis is an ALLEGATION no more

He is not married to the mother and if for any reason the mother is unfit or available he is not NEXT in the hierachy of guardians legally that is the law rather it falls to the mother's family starting with her father mother siblings.

Is that the Nigerian law?

In saner climes, the next in hierarchy is always the father, especially if he has acknowledged paternity of the child.

omonnakoda:
The bolded is not the point and not the most important issue in my post so why focus on that? I already said and you highlighted it is not the point so why Major in minors? The point is how to get an outcome that is good for the child
If you do not get it just move on

The health of the child is what's important. And that's why I think he did what he did.

Shymm3x:


Is that the Nigerian law?

In saner climes, the next in hierarchy is always the father, especially if he has acknowledged paternity of the child.

Not in the UK law which we have inherited. I believe the UK is quite sane. Also not in Native law

As long as the father is not married to the mother.

Google rights of unmarried fathers.

Marriage is not a trivial contract

Joavid:

The health of the child is what's important. And that's why I think he did what he did.

Maybe there are two sides to every story........

omonnakoda:
Maybe there are two sides to every story........

Yes. And she has said nothing concrete so far. Apart from her uncle who was trying to paint the Davido's family black and never mentioned the cannabis part.

omonnakoda:
Where did I assert that kindly supply a quote before we revert to voodoo mode

What is the title of this thread?

Can you provide one case from ANYWHERE in the world where a child has been removed from mother because of cannabis use and no other reason
JUST ONE !!

In your own words:

omonnakoda:
Very funny,
The report does not tell us what sample was taken .People assume it was blood but that is not stated ANYWHERE on that document which raises serious credibility issues.
It is not usual to test blood for cannabis but rather urine. I will assume it was a urine sample.
We were told that the baby was not in the mother's custody when the sample was taken and we are told the baby was taken from her forcefully so I do not see any meaningful legal conclusions being drawn from this report. My instinct however is to disbelieve it as propaganda with an eye on legal battle. Even if the mother used or uses cannabis that is of itself, insufficient to dispossess her of the child unless there are other issues. A court would at best impose a supervision order and future testing.
you will usually not find cannabis in the blood after 24 hours and so again that raises many questions. It remains in the urine for several days and so that is the more usual test

https://www.nairaland.com/2839330/davido-babys-doctors-report-leaked/2#41611609

omonnakoda:
The report is a sham

what sample was tested was it blood urine saliva or what?

Already there is a huge mistake in their scheme

The report MUST mention the sample type

https://www.nairaland.com/2839330/davido-babys-doctors-report-leaked/2#41611733

omonnakoda:
I think it was Chinua Achebe that said "Until lions have their storytellers ,the tale of the hunt will always glorify the hunter"

Propaganda is the telling of stories with no right of reply.

Is it inconceivable that a Nigerian mind with a lot of money can pay doctors to produce such a report?

https://www.nairaland.com/2839330/davido-babys-doctors-report-leaked/2#41612761

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Cannabis is an illegal drug and I'm sure there are tons of cases but I can't be arsed to start searching. However, I'll give you example of a drug user who lost custody of her children: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/12/08/hair_drug_tests_a_mothers_anguish_over_losing_her_girls.html

And this is from Legal Zoom:

When a parent struggles with drug addiction, his parental rights may be affected. In some cases, child protection agencies may remove a child from a parent’s care if that parent abuses drugs. Likewise, during a divorce, a court may deny a parent custody if he has untreated drug abuse or addiction issues or terminate his parental rights entirely if he does not address his drug abuse problems. Therefore, treating the underlying illness is often key to protecting custody and parental rights.
http://info.legalzoom.com/child-custody-loss-parental-rights-drug-abuse-23891.html