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EVarn:
Though i'm a life sciences student,I have to admit that statistics is one of the most demanded field on the job market,it beats even medicine,life sciences,pharmacy and engineering; engineering is a fantastic field,but it has become too crowded to hold as much definite prospect as before.Mathematics is an associate twin to statistics,therefore,it is a high-level course,no hyping.
kudos to you too bro,I rep unilorin("better by far!"

im in unilorin too, life science also, level?

I find topics like these fun.

Okay for starters, I'm a practicing engr.
The simple reason engineers generally, not just the undergraduates feel on top of the world is simple, we believe that all the mathematicians(and other disciplines) do is to create equations and solve them, but engineers practicalize everything to something tangible, and nothing beats the feeling of seeing a work you created from "nothing turn to something".

Odaveboy:
.........bros with all due respect.......he be like make I slap you.....EE and ME ......common kini?

common math courses yes .... so slap yourself

Alfred234:
I did all this topics in 100lvl

Please, list the topics you did in your finals, or you never reach final? I also guess that in your 100L, you've started using mewton raphson for analysis or Laplace

TheSlyone:
No need to argue with you. After almost 2years of graduation, all I could remember is that Maths 541; complex analysis was meant for Mechanical Engineering alone. Thanks and that ll be all for now

Perhaps during your time, the math requirements were diluted.
In my time EE students did Math 541 - it was called "Conformal Mapping"
And in the last semester EEs did Math 542 - Partial Diff Eqns
The same with Mechanical Engineering students - identical math courses

kayusbrown:
This argument is common especially among those who don't know the difference between pure and applied mathematics. I am an Engineer and will never brag that I am better than a Mathematician in his field. Engineers are only exposed to applied mathematics. All mathematics courses in engineering curriculum have their applications in engineering analysis, otherwise they will be irrelevant. Mathematicians on the other hand study both pure and applied maths. Pure maths is best defined as mathematics for the sake of mathematics; no aplication in focus (though outcomes may be applied later, some findings may be purely theoretical and exist only for aesthetics ). Examples of these pure mathematics topics are Groups and Rings, Real Analysis, Complex Analysis, Functional Analysis, Calculus of variation, Lesbeque measure and theory of integration etc. Honestly I was sleeping uncontrollably when I picked one of those Advanced Mathematics textbook to read some of these topics. Most Engineers will also sleep or end up with migraine trying to figure out the essence of the concepts in those topics as an Engineering mind is trained to do.

The argument now boils down to which is more difficult? Pure or applied maths? Pure mathematics (mathematics in itself) is more difficult. In fact, all mathematics are pure until their useful application is found.

Another thing is when you compare same topics in Engineering mathematics textbooks of K. Stroud and Glyn James with that of textbooks written by pure mathematicians like H.D. Kass and Kreyzig, you'll have a better perspective of why an Engineer should never claim to be a Mathematician.

My question is, between this two disciplines who do better when It comes to mathematics when compared? Or when they offer those aforementioned courses together, who does better?

udeh3:
Please, list the topics you did in your finals, or you never reach final? I also guess that in your 100L, you've started using mewton raphson for analysis or Laplace

Lol bros calm down am in 300L I did the Real Analysis, Numerical Analysis and Laplace in 200L

Alfred234:
Lol bro I know what am saying I have friends in Engineering department. In my school after 200lvl Engineering students don't do any math course again so they just cram to pass the few math courses they will do in 100 and 200lvl although they have their own Engineering math that they do from 300lvl till 500lvl but its more of objective and practicals than theory. it depends on the school sha but in my school Engineering student do more of objective/shading courses than theory courses

In your school, Engineering students do not do any math after 200L? Are these electrical engineering or mechanical engineering students?? If so then I'm sorry it's a garbage engineering program.

Alfred234:
Engineering students can never know maths than mathematics students because they only do few math courses...
They think its about those little Algebra,Vectors and Real Analysis.
They should come and do maths like Line integral, Differential equations, Laplace transform e.t.c they will confess that Jesus is lord.
Math no be beans, Am now doing statistics as my major I can't kill myself plus statistics has more job advantage than mathematics in a country like Nigeria.

Am not saying u re wrong but whr i graduated from, Engineering students solve d above listed maths.Personally,i so loved laplace transform n was so good then.
Truth is that d best engineering students have d capacity to study mathematics very well. The many areas/topics sm ppl here have bn mentioning myt b strange for sm engineering students cos they ve not bn taught not that if taught they wnt b able to understand or solve them(i dnt want 2 bliv this is d point d op is trying to prove).

udeh3:
I can refer you to advance engineering Math... but before then, try the engineering math before the advance!

I don't know about other schools but in my 5 year BTech program in Math & Computer Science I found that by the end of 200L we'd just about completed everything in Advanced Engineering Math by KS Stroud. I know this because I had both eng math and advanced eng math.

For those of you asking what mathematicians produce take a look at this page:

jeremykun.com/main-content/

In particular, Google, a multi billion dollar company, came about as a result of a mathematical thesis as you can see at the following link:

jeremykun.com/2011/06/18/googles-pagerank-a-first-attempt/

Alfred234:
Am not doubting the fact that you can do those topics I mentioned but one thing I know is that most Engineering students can't do it and even when they attempt it its more of cramming.

Probably not referring to the brilliant Engineering students. Who crams laplace or fourier series? Likewise d average mathematics student will also cram to pass but not d very good ones.
Bottom line is that an intelligent maths or engineering student will both do well when thought same topics n areas in maths so stop acting like ur kind of maths is too tough for engineering students to comprehend .

maths is fun when u apply bt it becomes a burden when u learn and learn and u are unable to share ur ideas to a person as low as an illiterate....engineering and maths are interwoven. bt the reason maths is underated is that maths is like the English letters u can learn them bt nt until u start combining them to make a word, sentence, a paragraph.... to a whole book evident to people who don't even know what you've written... u will nt be appreciated.... every course has its own challenges..

Neeson:
When you pass an exam on ENG 308 in futo you'd know why.

bro pls a quick question on futo stuff...

is information management technology a science course in fut0 or art cos am kinda confused

Joe82834:
Am not saying u re wrong but whr i graduated from, Engineering students solve d above listed maths.Personally,i so loved laplace transform n was so good then.
Truth is that d best engineering students have d capacity to study mathematics very well. The many areas/topics sm ppl here have bn mentioning myt b strange for sm engineering students cos they ve not bn taught not that if taught they wnt b able to understand or solve them(i dnt want 2 bliv this is d point d op is trying to prove).

Exactly bro most of those Engineering students were not taught those things that's why they need to stop bragging about their knowledge in math. Imagine a scenario where there are two math students, The first one learnt 3 topics in maths and he/she is very good in those topics and the other student learnt 5 topics in math and he/she is average in those topics. In this kind of case who will you say knows more math than the other?

Durentt:
Lol i cant seem to wrap dis idea how Engineering students think or act lik they do/know mathematics aspect more dan those who spend all their freaking lecture hours solving am Pure Mathematics student nd an engineering student came to me today saying "am wastin my time doin pure maths that dey (engineering) are equal to mathematicians plus dey hav added engineering knowledge. I was lik wtf, suite urself, i kno why i chose mathematics over engineering during JAMB. Am not a foool.
Engineering students brag to be all rounder but i refuse to accept an engineer can replace a mathematican except in a useless country lik nigeria

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Simkreative:
Poo!
Are you from this generation
Go to Google and Search ''Earth Equation'' and ''GagutsTheorem'' and see the effect its have on global economy!

+Wat has Eng.Std cum up with A 500L Elect/Elect who cant wire a self Con! Or a MEC/ENG who cant fix a car.

Thats not d point my brother so lets not delve into that. Its just like saying a 400lvl mathematics student who can't research n develop his own series or theorems. Now u see my point. How many mathematicians in hw schools even dream of doing such. They only solve what they are taught(early researches by other great mathematicians). So same way d best engineers design n have great ideas, d best mathematicians do d best research n come up with evergreen theorems. So stop acting like all students of mathematics turn out great n productive.
Thanks

foldl:
I don't know about other schools but in my 5 year BTech program in Math & Computer Science I found that by the end of 200L we'd just about completed everything in Advanced Engineering Math by KS Stroud. I know this because I had both eng math and advanced eng math.

For those of you asking what mathematicians produce take a look at this page:

jeremykun.com/main-content/

In particular, Google, a multi billion dollar company, came about as a result of a mathematical thesis as you can see at the following link:

jeremykun.com/2011/06/18/googles-pagerank-a-first-attempt/

BTech?? Did you study in India??

Girltee1:
Forget that side, bro.

200level engineering students also offer Analysis and abstract algebra.

Yea, they offer non-major real analysis A̶̲̥̅̊₪d abstract algebra but it can't be compared with ones d mathematics major offers...

Durentt:
Lol i cant seem to wrap dis idea how Engineering students think or act lik they do/know mathematics aspect more dan those who spend all their freaking lecture hours solving am Pure Mathematics student nd an engineering student came to me today saying "am wastin my time doin pure maths that dey (engineering) are equal to mathematicians plus dey hav added engineering knowledge. I was lik wtf, suite urself, i kno why i chose mathematics over engineering during JAMB. Am not a foool.
Engineering students brag to be all rounder but i refuse to accept an engineer can replace a mathematican except in a useless country lik nigeria

I don't know why they feel like that i wish i could have the brain of a mathematician and a computer scientist at the same time...cuz i'm currently struggling with so many mathematical algorithms now (My mathematical foundation in school wasn't that strong)...Mathematicians and Computer scientists rule (dem no ask me sha )

There can't be an Engineer without mathematical background,but there can be a mathematician without Engineering background!Engineering is useless without mathematics.

I'm an Engineer,It's no pride when I say we can fit in any where.After saturating our brains with principles of operations of variuos machines and and their derived equations,you want to compete with an Engineer,you're just a joker.

Any body could solve maths,but only Engineers can solve life's challenging problems.If you're not an Engineer,you can never be an Engineer!
Don't forget that mathematics is the only course that doesn't lie,why should any Engineer be weak in maths?

Durentt:
Lol i cant seem to wrap dis idea how Engineering students think or act lik they do/know mathematics aspect more dan those who spend all their freaking lecture hours solving am Pure Mathematics student nd an engineering student came to me today saying "am wastin my time doin pure maths that dey (engineering) are equal to mathematicians plus dey hav added engineering knowledge. I was lik wtf, suite urself, i kno why i chose mathematics over engineering during JAMB. Am not a foool.
Engineering students brag to be all rounder but i refuse to accept an engineer can replace a mathematican except in a useless country lik nigeria

agoadiv:
bro pls a quick question on futo stuff...

is information management technology a science course in fut0 or art cos am kinda confused

I think every course in the school is rooted in science & tech, with an overlap into management, except for few of em, but information management tech has to do with ICT and therefore is based in science, anywhere, even away from FUTO.

Just like an economist told me he knows statistics more than a statistician... How's that possible na... U can't be applying a subset of someone else's field and be better than da person in his own field... rara

nyben4eva:
There can't be an Engineer without mathematical background,but there can be a mathematician without Engineering background!Engineering is useless without mathematics.

I'm an Engineer,It's no pride when I say we can fit in any where.After saturating our brains with principles of operations of variuos machines and and their derived equations,you want to compete with an Engineer,you're just a joker.

Any body could solve maths,but only Engineers can solve life's challenging problems.If you're not an Engineer,you can never be an Engineer!

u can only speak for ur field... U can't speak for someone else da studied medicine or English or microbiology n so on. so bro calm down.... no field is an island

Durentt:
calculus my ass. All d 200lvl elect engr students i know are dealing with indices nd logarithm in their borrowed courses. MEC ENGR. Doin Vectors nd d rest. And dey be feeling fly

this is for only university abi..not polytechnic,logarithm, indices and vector r done only during 1st semester ND1....calculus and others aspectt of maths start in 2nd semester 100level

oz4real83:
who told u that? I read mathematics in Uniben although it wasn't what I applied for. Over 99percent of my course mates including me initially applied for medicine and surgery but because of a large number of equally qualified applicants,we were transferred to mathematics. It takes great amount of courage to request mathematics as first choice course of study.

My brother;large number of equally qualified? No no. Its actually this way.. ... .due to large number of applicants, the best qualified got it n d others(though brilliant as well) were transfered to other depts.
No beefs bro. Respect

Chrisx1x:
application indeed.abeg park well jor.engineers in Nigeria only knows about principles.u guys should wake up and stop this deceit.u also spend years studying abstract ideas.a prof of mec engineering who cant repair his car is not fit to be called an engineer.period

And how many mathematicians in Nigeria end up doing research n end up with evergreen theorems and series like d greats laplace, taylor etc
Truth is that in every field only a select few end up doing exploits.

kobonaire:
BTech?? Did you study in India??

No, Nigeria. I should think every federal university of technology does that.

EVarn:
Their mathematics must be very easy,I have never heard of any committed student trying to read mathematics from a textbook,and yet hoping to understand it.It doesnt work that way.

Truth is fir the very intelligent engineering students, 100lvl maths is very easy especially if u did further naths properly in sec school.

killsmith:
I doubt if this so-called engineers would comprehend the concept of integration....(reimann-stieltjes integral)....just the simple abstraction of the Riemann integration is enough to make them dizzy

By this are u implying it will be strange to them cos they weren't taught or that even if thought they just cant comprehend

Nigerian engineers sef dey join claim d glory of engineers; give dem a car to fix, dey cannot; give dem a piece of electronic gadget to fix, dey'll destroy it for u;give dem a house to build,u'll see lapses and faults everywhere. It's disgusting to discover dat dis same set of people are mouthy.
Now,to d topic. Being into Telecommunication science,i've been exposed to both pure maths courses and engineering maths/courses, and i must confess dat u nid to be rili cerebral to appreciate and grasp diz abstract concepts in pure maths. Take for instance, if u can understand linear algebra very well, u'll disgrace most engineers wen it cums to matrices and vectors. But d problem is dat most pure maths students and sometimes,lecturers too don't rili have a good grasp of d concepts because of d high level of cerebral activity involved, unlike engineering maths wey any tout fit just claim to know very well. Tangible progress can't be made in engineering without corresponding breakthroughs in d field of pure maths. Pure mathematics is d bedrock of science. While engineering as a technology-based discipline,deals with d application of scientific principles/concepts/knowledge, so without science,derz notin for d engineer to apply. The solutions to complex mathematical problems are d main tools for breathtaking engineering feats.

Durentt:
calculus my ass. All d 200lvl elect engr students i know are dealing with indices nd logarithm in their borrowed courses. MEC ENGR. Doin Vectors nd d rest. And dey be feeling fly

Indices and Logarithm in an Engineering Scheme?

Oga Lie with sense abeg!

Durentt:
trash..

disaprove me with facts and my via setiments.. By the ways....