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Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 9:07pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
plaetton:From your first paragraph sir, where you mentioned that we are not different from animals and an evolving species, I can decipher that you believe in the theory of evolution, Darwin's theory of evolution i guess and according to live science, the theory postulates that it can turn dinosaurs into birds, apes into humans and so on. Can you give me some observable evidence that evolution is true, something that I don't have to receive by faith? |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 9:12pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
frank317:With what you just wrote down, am tempted to ask in all sincerity, what happened to you bro? Where did all this there is no God notion began? And hey.... Am not here to argue or to convince or to feel sanctimonious over you guys, that thought never crossed my mind. Just see it as a dialogue between people that have diverse views on issues relating to life. Be it far from me to coerce you from what you believe in.... if I have done that along the line, i sincerely apologize. 1 Like |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 9:22pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
frank317:Nobody is better than anyone bro, check my previous posts, you will never ever come across me bashing anyone because he dosent believe in God or because he ain't a Christian, anyone that does that dosen't know what he or she believes in because God is love. It may interest You to know that i have atheist as friends. My own is to show them the love of Christ and hope that they will open their heart someday, only God can truly change a man. And I don't see this as an argument because like you rightly said it creates more strife and hatred amongst the parties involved and I know that's not what Jesus will do. It's true that lots of Christians in quote resort to such to air their opinion about you guys, but I don't believe in such. Am living in denial yes, in denial to the fact that am not mere human. I have a link to the creator of the universe, he lives in me. If I abide in him, he also abides in me. Ain't no deceit on it. God is real for me, and for all of us. It's a matter of choosing to accept it and see it or rejecting it and living in true denial. |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by frank317: 9:30pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: Well, so many water passed under the bridge and I had to start thinking. I was brought up in a christian home, watchman charismatic. But it took a hard punch for me to realize that God idea is nothing but wishful thinking. And I am glad I came out of that delusion. I searched for job for five years, praying and believing... For where. The circumstance I lost my mum was something to be question. Then the last punch was when I list man fiance in a ghastly motor accident... Seriously if God exists he owes me an apology. Sadly I started thinking outside the religious box... I found out it is all a hoax. Its all a scam. I can be good and better man without religion. Try it and u will see how possible it is. Look man... Stop wasting ur time.u only have one life to live. When I took my life in my own hands...everything started turning around. |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by plaetton: 9:48pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode:First, the theory of evolution is not a belief system in the ssme way that your belief in God or Jesus is. It is a scientific theory. This means it is a scientific truth backed by lots and lots of yet to be refuted evidence. DNA, chromosomes, fossil records, anthropology, medicine, agriculture. Sorry, but it's only amongst my African brothers that I am forced to debate the theory of evolution. Do you accept that CHANGE is the only constant in the universe? Change is simply the agency and process of evolution. Do you accept that in nature, processes go from simplicity to complexity? That's evolution. Do you accept that you are a different human being from your mother and father ? Then you are just a slightly evolved specimen of your mother and Father. Do you believe that environmental conditions , and even cosmic radiations can and do cause mutations in DNA? That's evolution. Evolution is small incremental changes over time, sometimes millions or hundreds of millions of years. So, evolution is so common place, so natural, that we should not, at this period of our development, be debating whether it is true or false. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 9:56pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
frank317:Everything is now clearer to me, I totally sympathize with you on the rough experiences you have had in the past and if I tell you I can say why it happened it give you logical explanations then I am lying. But sir, the truth is that a lot of people have experienced similar and even worst things in life and still came out good. We live in a fallen world bro, a lot of terrible things happen and if you attribute all these to God what will you then say of the devil whose work is to steal, kill and destroy? Yes you can be good and better without religious doctrines of men but not to the point of waving of the existence of God, don't you think that's too extreme? Remember Paul said; what is it that can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus? Is it sickness, death, pestilence or what? We ask have trials, lots of then av prayed over things that didn't come to pass and so on. I can't give an answer to the things that happened to ya really but I know that God didn't kill ya fiancee, nor ya mum, as bitter as it may sound, there are many things that could have happened which you and I may not know. I will be praying for you bro, but don't shut your heart out completely on God. Lots of love man. #NoHomo 1 Like |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 10:03pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
plaetton:I get your point, but evolution is still under debate even in prestigious universities as an talking to you sir, am a keen follower of the numerous discussions to that effect, I wish you can get to see some of the videos I have to that effect. Remember what I asked initially, evolution in terms of change of kind from one to another like canine to birds, to humans and so on and not fossils records that predates back to millions of years. So what are those unrefuted observable evidences that you can simply point out now as far as evolution is concerned, one which I don't have to receive by faith before we advance to more complex scientific assumptions and populations which as a matter of fact I can't say much about. Since evolution is our level playing ground, I don't think it will be so hard to prove that sir with evidence on your own part. |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by plaetton: 10:45pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: Again, let me just remind you that no one who understands evolution will tell that birds magically transformed to apes, and then to humans. It is not so simplistic. Evolution first occurs at the micro level, and then continues tiny microscopic mutations that can span tens and millions of years before we see a change or transformation at the macro level. Now, pls imagine the transformation of a foetus from the moment of conception till birth. Imagine all the microscopic changes it undergoes before all the organs, the unique physical characteristics are fully manifest. That's evolution in fast forward mode. In the evolution of species, this nine months process would take like 90 million years. We have irrefutable proof that humans branched off from the same evolutionary tree as chimpanzees. Chromosomes confirm that fact. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by Image123(m): 11:57pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
Eeyah, i feel the hunger in your heart. Nothing satisfies like Him. |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by menesheh(m): 1:48am On Jan 10, 2016 |
bxcode: You follow debates and discussions on evolution and have videos to that effect? you fail to understand that evolution is not philosophical but demonstrations of reality backed by simple (layman observable effects) to complex irrefutable evidence like the DNA genomics. Maybe you follow discussions by creationists and non-experts in the field. There is nothing like animals changes from "kind" to "kind" in evolution but the evolutionary changes of species overtime due to DNA variations via natural selection, gene pool etc. |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by frank317: 3:51am On Jan 10, 2016 |
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Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by frank317: 3:58am On Jan 10, 2016 |
bxcode: A lot people have gone through worst, so? Ya they came out good, so? I am good too. Time heals everything,what do u expect? Not say I'm God killed them. But what exactly is the function of knowing this God? He is absolutely useless and his incompetence in handling the world he created is worrisome, that's if he exists. Oga, yes you have nothing to say. I have gone through what I have gone through and I have learnt a lot. One thing is sure, there is nothing gainful in believing in a creator... Its just wishful thinking for you guys and its quite worrisome too. How can one live all his life in wish and delusion. Think about it.... Giving excuse for the creator? Pls stop making him sound dumb. 1 Like |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by texanomaly(f): 4:35am On Jan 10, 2016 |
menesheh: You took that seriously? I only posted it because I knew SOL would get a kick out of it. He knows my sense of humor and appreciates it. It made me smile. If he read it, I think it made him smile too. Anyway, chill and have a nice day. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by texanomaly(f): 4:37am On Jan 10, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: You should! You are an amazing writer. Share your talent. 1 Like |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by winner01(m): 8:27am On Jan 10, 2016 |
hahn:http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atrocities.html 2 Likes |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by hahn(m): 12:09pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
winner01: I just read through that link. Pretty interesting stuff. However, your god created everything and as such it is responsible for the atrocities it's creations perpetrate. Unless it is high on some cheap weed then it is safe to say it is nothing but confused. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by winner01(m): 2:26pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
hahn:Werey. @bolded, but u dont believe this na? Atheist and their dubious way out of everything. Take back your original quote. 2 Likes |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by hahn(m): 2:37pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
winner01: Of course I DON'T believe it buy YOU do I am only using your logic. If your god created everything then it is responsible for everything including Lucifer's sin. Therefore, not only is it incompetent, it is also narcisstic, irresponsible, sadistic and useless. But then again it is only a figment of your imagination 1 Like |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by winner01(m): 3:03pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
hahn:Congratulations to you. Atheists have been responsible for more havoc than all religions put together!!!!! |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by hahn(m): 5:29pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
winner01: Lol. Proof? Most peaceful countries 2015 http://www.statista.com/statistics/273159/most-peaceful-countries-in-the-global-peace-index/ Least peaceful countries 2015 http://www.statista.com/statistics/273160/countries-with-the-least-peace-worldwide/ Notice a pattern? http://www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2009/06/atheist-nations-are-more-peaceful.html 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by Nobody: 7:38pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: Happy New Year to you too.... been around but silent, hope you're okay too |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by daveP(m): 10:25pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
bxcode:you are really doing great. Thumbs up. But just like the father of evolution that was saved on his deathbed(it was hidden cos it would ruin the works and profits the theory would eventually bring), his case might not be diff. We should jst pray it should be years before that. |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 8:30am On Jan 13, 2016 |
frank317:The function of knowing God is to have a personal relationship with him. God didn't start all the evil in the world today, we did! He warned Adam and Eve but they choose to disobey. The presence of evil is simply the absence of God in anything man does, but he didn't create evil. The issue is that your mind is already with a wrong impression about God sir, and anything that anyone tells you is not just gonna go along with your prejudice. There are so many things about God that I know that if you be open minded, you will see the revelation. And the idea of you saying that we ought not to defend God and that he should do that, when you see someone abusing your earthly father whom you love so much for instance, will you fold ya hand and say let daddy come and defend himself? |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 8:36am On Jan 13, 2016 |
daveP:The funny thing is that most of these atheists know the truth but won't own up to it. I've read their history a lot and that's when I deciphered that it's actually not their fault and all they need is people that will constantly dialogue with them until God reveals himself to them. 1 Like |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by plaetton: 8:40am On Jan 13, 2016 |
hahn:Well said. Funny that when we criticize their god, they think we are angry at god or hate god. It escapes them that we are simply mocking their silly and contradictory ideas. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by daveP(m): 10:24am On Jan 13, 2016 |
bxcode:yeah. The accusing finger atheists are mostly around than those who gradually wear away from believing in God. They still have an iota that resist with vehemence, the stance they have against God. You're right! |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by Nobody: 12:25am On Jan 14, 2016 |
Come on! I came here to read an interesting story, not bickering back and forth. 1 Like |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by Nobody: 7:11am On Jan 14, 2016 |
EVOLUTION according to atheists:
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Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by Charlesdock(m): 1:09am On Jan 16, 2016 |
Atheist just like entering a thread where christians post are. You all believed Theism doesn't have the answers then produce it. Infact some are atheist because sometime in their life the've faced a problem which they didn't feel the presence of God. |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by Nobody: 1:44am On Jan 16, 2016 |
menesheh: |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by Nobody: 1:46am On Jan 16, 2016 |
Your sobriquet's sönoflücifer, & yet you create a thread trying to help people understand Christianity. What kind of split personality disorder is this?, |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by Nobody: 2:25am On Jan 16, 2016 |
darkenedrebel: You don't see that he's mocking creationist theory? 1 Like |
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