plaetton:

Well first of all, humans are still socially evolving.
As an evolving species, Remember, we are not so different from wild animals.
Sometimes we take two steps forward and one step backwards, sometimes we take one step forward and two steps backwards.

Now, of the human March civilization had been guided or supervised by the invisible hand of a supernatural being, then you think the earth would have been paradise for all humans ?
The fact that it is not is proof that we have been struggling and bungling all by our selves by trial and error, social evolution.

If you look back at the last 250'000yrs of human history on Earth, you would agree that we are living in the best of times.

Now, our present political and economic system makes it possible for a wide gap between those who have and those who do not.
Our social system insists that everyone should have. Therefore, those who do not must struggle to have.

Even Pentecostal Christianity is anchored on the predication that you should have wealth and riches.

Therefore the society is caught up in a constant flux of competition, by all means possible, to possess and accumulate.
Pentecostalism correlates spiritual growth with personal accumulation.
These are the reasons for increasing crime and wickedness.

frank317:


God is supposed to be the creator, a being that gave life to be every human. So powerful that we can't comprehend. Created man and everything. He knows the future knows what man wants... Isnt that so?

The best you can do for him is stop comparing him with things he supposedly created... They are not supposed to be used as an example to prove his existence... Its deamining.

God as the creator is supposed to be self existent in the heart of everyone. he is supposed to be 'realer' than everything on earth since he ceated them all... No need for you to try to prove him.

Sadly, the fact that u have to be here trying to convince his own creation he exist is quite suspicious. It makes his existence sound like a fraud, which makes me wonder.. Shouldn't he have thought of this? His competence is really at stake here.

frank317:


Are u for real? Or are u just living in denial. How many theists believe Jesus came as God to save man from doom?
Check the percentage yourself.
Theist theist theist... So? Are they now better than atheists just because the believe in the existence of a God? What happened to believing in Christ as their personal saviour? Are we throwing that away just to win an argument? Then later u go and bash them or ask them to repent? Stop decieving yourself bro. Stop living in denial.

bxcode:

With what you just wrote down, am tempted to ask in all sincerity, what happened to you bro?
Where did all this there is no God notion began?
And hey.... Am not here to argue or to convince or to feel sanctimonious over you guys, that thought never crossed my mind. Just see it as a dialogue between people that have diverse views on issues relating to life. Be it far from me to coerce you from what you believe in.... if I have done that along the line, i sincerely apologize.

bxcode:

From your first paragraph sir, where you mentioned that we are not different from animals and an evolving species, I can decipher that you believe in the theory of evolution, Darwin's theory of evolution i guess and according to live science, the theory postulates that it can turn dinosaurs into birds, apes into humans and so on. Can you give me some observable evidence that evolution is true, something that I don't have to receive by faith?

frank317:


Well, so many water passed under the bridge and I had to start thinking. I was brought up in a christian home, watchman charismatic.
But it took a hard punch for me to realize that God idea is nothing but wishful thinking. And I am glad I came out of that delusion.
I searched for job for five years, praying and believing... For where.
The circumstance I lost my mum was something to be question.
Then the last punch was when I list man fiance in a ghastly motor accident... Seriously if God exists he owes me an apology.

Sadly I started thinking outside the religious box... I found out it is all a hoax. Its all a scam. I can be good and better man without religion.
Try it and u will see how possible it is. Look man... Stop wasting ur time.u only have one life to live.

When I took my life in my own hands...everything started turning around.

plaetton:

First, the theory of evolution is not a belief system in the ssme way that your belief in God or Jesus is.

It is a scientific theory. This means it is a scientific truth backed by lots and lots of yet to be refuted evidence.
DNA, chromosomes, fossil records, anthropology, medicine, agriculture.
Sorry, but it's only amongst my African brothers that I am forced to debate the theory of evolution.

Do you accept that CHANGE is the only constant in the universe?
Change is simply the agency and process of evolution.

Do you accept that in nature, processes go from simplicity to complexity? That's evolution.

Do you accept that you are a different human being from your mother and father ? Then you are just a slightly evolved specimen of your mother and Father.

Do you believe that environmental conditions , and even cosmic radiations can and do cause mutations in DNA?
That's evolution.

Evolution is small incremental changes over time, sometimes millions or hundreds of millions of years.

So, evolution is so common place, so natural, that we should not, at this period of our development, be debating whether it is true or false.

bxcode:

I get your point, but evolution is still under debate even in prestigious universities as an talking to you sir, am a keen follower of the numerous discussions to that effect, I wish you can get to see some of the videos I have to that effect. Remember what I asked initially, evolution in terms of change of kind from one to another like canine to birds, to humans and so on and not fossils records that predates back to millions of years. So what are those unrefuted observable evidences that you can simply point out now as far as evolution is concerned, one which I don't have to receive by faith before we advance to more complex scientific assumptions and populations which as a matter of fact I can't say much about. Since evolution is our level playing ground, I don't think it will be so hard to prove that sir with evidence on your own part.

bxcode:

I get your point, but evolution is still under debate even in prestigious universities as an talking to you sir, am a keen follower of the numerous discussions to that effect, I wish you can get to see some of the videos I have to that effect. Remember what I asked initially, evolution in terms of change of kind from one to another like canine to birds, to humans and so on and not fossils records that predates back to millions of years. So what are those unrefuted observable evidences that you can simply point out now as far as evolution is concerned, one which I don't have to receive by faith before we advance to more complex scientific assumptions and populations which as a matter of fact I can't say much about. Since evolution is our level playing ground, I don't think it will be so hard to prove that sir with evidence on your own part.

bxcode:

Everything is now clearer to me, I totally sympathize with you on the rough experiences you have had in the past and if I tell you I can say why it happened it give you logical explanations then I am lying. But sir, the truth is that a lot of people have experienced similar and even worst things in life and still came out good. We live in a fallen world bro, a lot of terrible things happen and if you attribute all these to God what will you then say of the devil whose work is to steal, kill and destroy? Yes you can be good and better without religious doctrines of men but not to the point of waving of the existence of God, don't you think that's too extreme? Remember Paul said; what is it that can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus? Is it sickness, death, pestilence or what? We ask have trials, lots of then av prayed over things that didn't come to pass and so on. I can't give an answer to the things that happened to ya really but I know that God didn't kill ya fiancee, nor ya mum, as bitter as it may sound, there are many things that could have happened which you and I may not know. I will be praying for you bro, but don't shut your heart out completely on God. Lots of love man. #NoHomo

bxcode:

Everything is now clearer to me, I totally sympathize with you on the rough experiences you have had in the past and if I tell you I can say why it happened it give you logical explanations then I am lying. But sir, the truth is that a lot of people have experienced similar and even worst things in life and still came out good. We live in a fallen world bro, a lot of terrible things happen and if you attribute all these to God what will you then say of the devil whose work is to steal, kill and destroy? Yes you can be good and better without religious doctrines of men but not to the point of waving of the existence of God, don't you think that's too extreme? Remember Paul said; what is it that can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus? Is it sickness, death, pestilence or what? We ask have trials, lots of then av prayed over things that didn't come to pass and so on. I can't give an answer to the things that happened to ya really but I know that God didn't kill ya fiancee, nor ya mum, as bitter as it may sound, there are many things that could have happened which you and I may not know. I will be praying for you bro, but don't shut your heart out completely on God. Lots of love man. #NoHomo

menesheh:


This is so ambiguous that it makes no sense. If the little girl (though she is a little girl to understand) feels she can't discuss such topic that are forming the actions of billions of people around the world, either because it is so mysterious and complex, sorry, her brain is so feeble-minded in thought.

sonOfLucifer:


Happy New Year.. I should join y'all in the Literature section.

hahn:


Besides, your god has been responsible for more deaths in the world.

winner01:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atrocities.html

hahn:


I just read through that link. Pretty interesting stuff.

However, your god created everything and as such it is responsible for the atrocities it's creations perpetrate. Unless it is high on some cheap weed then it is safe to say it is nothing but confused.

winner01:
Werey.

@bolded, but u dont believe this na?
Atheist and their dubious way out of everything.

Take back your original quote.

hahn:


Of course I DON'T believe it buy YOU do

I am only using your logic. If your god created everything then it is responsible for everything including Lucifer's sin. Therefore, not only is it incompetent, it is also narcisstic, irresponsible, sadistic and useless.

But then again it is only a figment of your imagination

winner01:
Congratulations to you.

Atheists have been responsible for more havoc than all religions put together!!!!!

sonOfLucifer:

HI babe, how and where have you been? Hope you're good. Happy New Year.

bxcode:

Sir, Jesus didn't come to exist in the literature of the Jews s and their hypocritical culture, he came to show them the way to his father in heaven. didn't you see that in what I said before?
Sir not only Africans believe in him, Americans do, Asians do, Europeans do. Christianity is not an African religion only. So stop trying to use the mentality that Africans gullible to believe what some reprobate Jews objected. What will say about the other people in the world that believe in him based on this your shortsighted perspective sir??

frank317:


A lot people have gone through worst, so? Ya they came out good, so? I am good too. Time heals everything,what do u expect?

Not say I'm God killed them. But what exactly is the function of knowing this God? He is absolutely useless and his incompetence in handling the world he created is worrisome, that's if he exists.

Oga, yes you have nothing to say. I have gone through what I have gone through and I have learnt a lot. One thing is sure, there is nothing gainful in believing in a creator... Its just wishful thinking for you guys and its quite worrisome too. How can one live all his life in wish and delusion.

Think about it.... Giving excuse for the creator? Pls stop making him sound dumb.

daveP:
you are really doing great. Thumbs up. But just like the father of evolution that was saved on his deathbed(it was hidden cos it would ruin the works and profits the theory would eventually bring), his case might not be diff. We should jst pray it should be years before that.

hahn:


Of course I DON'T believe it buy YOU do

I am only using your logic. If your god created everything then it is responsible for everything including Lucifer's sin. Therefore, not only is it incompetent, it is also narcisstic, irresponsible, sadistic and useless.

But then again it is only a figment of your imagination

bxcode:

The funny thing is that most of these atheists know the truth but won't own up to it. I've read their history a lot and that's when I deciphered that it's actually not their fault and all they need is people that will constantly dialogue with them until God reveals himself to them.

menesheh:



Don't mind him, he really need jesus to touch his heart. By the way, tell me the percentage you believed the old testament creation stories of Adam and eve (from 1 to 100 % rating) because all peoples around the world have origin myths, to account for where they came from. Many tribal origin myths talk only about that one particular tribe – as though other tribes don’t count! In the same way, many tribes have a rule that they mustn’t kill people – but ‘people’ turns out to mean only others of your own tribe. Killing members of other tribes is just fine!


Here’s a typical origin myth, from a group of Tasmanian aborigines. A god called Moinee was defeated by a rival god called Dromerdeener in a terrible battle up in the stars. Moinee fell out of the stars down to Tasmania to die. Before he died, he wanted to give a last blessing to his final resting place, so he decided to create humans. But he was in such a hurry, knowing he was dying, that he forgot to give them knees; and (no doubt distracted by his plight) he absent-mindedly gave them big tails like kangaroos, which meant they couldn’t sitdown. Then he died. The people hated having kangaroo tails and no knees, and they cried out to the heavens for help.
The mighty Dromerdeener, who was still roaring around the sky on his victory parade, heard their cry and came down to Tasmania to see what the matter was. He took pity on the people, gave them bendable knees and cut off their inconvenient kangaroo tails so they could all sit down at last; and they lived happily ever after.

Tell me you believe or don't believe the Tasmanian's aborigine creation myth and what makes it different from the above jest sonoflucifer is making about local Jewish creation myth.

darkenedrebel:
Your sobriquet's sönoflücifer, & yet you create a thread trying to help people understand Christianity.
What kind of split personality disorder is this?,