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Re: Today, I Spoke With God by asalimpo(m): 7:53pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
LoJ:Actually, God didnt use judas to fulfill his will. In that God didnt spur him to betray Jesus, then put the blame on Him. God, simply turned the Devil's plan on its Head. Satan, was actually lured into an ambush. His own game was turned on him and he only got to know it when it was too late!! The roman crucifixion, the scourging, the nailing, the false trial by a kangaroo court was all satan moving in on the kill. After Jesus was killed , his,satan's, eyes opened. In the new testament,it is said that if the princes (satan and his generals) knew what would have happened , they would'nt have crucified the King of Glory (something like that). Adam lost governance of the world,this earth by simply disobeying God. Satan, lost the keys of something (i think death and hell) as well as the power of death, by simply killing an INNOCENT MAN-Jesus!. It was simply bloodless. brilliant. brilliant. |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by Nobody: 8:19pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
asalimpo:Hello Asalimpo. Thank you for your submission. If Judas and others didn't kill Jesus, would the plan have been accomplished? Judas and the romans are the ones that made the plan to happen, not so? If according to you, God used the death of Jesus to save mankind, then all those who contributed to the death have fulfilled the will of God, abi? Why then vilify someone that helped accomplish the will of God? The issue here is not whether God pushed Judah to do that or not. The fact of the matter here is, Judah helped killed Jesus, and according to you, Jesus came to die. Then Judah should be appreciated for helping mankind. Besides, why would a God that said thou shall not murder, use the same murder to save mankind from his sin? Can you wash dirt with dirt? My intention was not, and is not, to interfere with your beliefs. Indeed, anyone is entitled to his beliefs and I respect that. But I just wanted to outline the incoherence in asserting that Judah is a vilain, then claim that the death of Jesus, death caused by Judah, saved mankind according to the will of God. Greetings. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by Nobody: 8:44pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
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Re: Today, I Spoke With God by asalimpo(m): 10:00pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
LoJ: |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by asalimpo(m): 10:15pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
LoJ:God's plan would still have come to pass. Which was for humanity to be saved. That's the main plan. God forseeing, Judas betraying Jesus, isn't the same as God coaxing Judas to do it. The bible says, "satan entered into Judas". So satan spurred Judas, not God, to sell the master. But God forsaw this. Satan set up the false jury system, to free a criminal and kill an innocent man, but God forsaw this. If however, Judas chose not to yield to satan, God's will would still have been done. satan was acting in real time, plotting and scheming, but at the same time, he was fulfilling prophecy , without knowing. God's plan for salvation was to use blood to save mankind. Salvation is in the blood because life is in the blood. When the kangaroo court whipped and hung Jesus, his blood was shed. He was innocent and without sin. God used that incident where innocent blood was shed, to procure salvation for mankind. In the old testament, sheep,bulls, goats,oxen were slaughtered, to cover sin. But their blood couldnt take away sin. The solution then was to have Human blood cleanse Human sin. That's where Jesus came in. Did God use murder . if you mean did God instigate the process for the murder of Jesus - No. Satan, did. God, used satan,without satan knowing this. |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by Nobody: 10:37pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
asalimpo:Hello Asalimpo. Thank you for your post. I did not say God did not foresee Judas' betrayal. I did not say God pushed Judas to murder Jesus. You are deviating from the simple point. And the point is: if the will of God was that Jesus be murdered, and if Judas (among others) made it possible that Jesus be killed, then Judas was instrumental in accomplishing the will of God. How do you treat someone who helps accomplish the will of God? So If according to you, the murder of Jesus was the will of God, the logical consequence is, whoever helped the murder of Jesus, was an instrumental of God. Whether according to You - or the bible - God did not push him and foresaw it, is inconsequential. The fact remains that, according to you God used him to accomplish his will. Thus he was God's instrument. Again, How can a God that prohibits murder, use the very murder to cleanse sin? How can sin cleanse sin? Good night to you . 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by Nobody: 10:49pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
asalimpo:If according to your words, God used Satan, then satan must be congratulated. Isn't it? Whether Satan knew or not is inconsequential. How is it consistent with justice and love to punish an innocent for the sin of someone who is guilty? Even on earth, would you accept that an innocent baby serves life imprisonment for the sin of his criminal father? How can God be Justice and love, when people who do wrong, go scott free, and an innocent one bear the responsibility of their wrong? Does it make any sense? Again, what is there in the Blood of animals or the blood of Jesus that removes sin? Is God similar to witch doctors? If the blood of animals in the OT could not remove sins, why then command people to kill animals in the first place? Why later on change the law? Is change consistent with perfection? Can a perfect Law given by a perfect and omniscient being be subject to change? Don't we change when there is a need for improvement? Can something perfect be improved? Good night my brother. 3 Likes |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by K9blunt(f): 12:20am On Mar 13, 2016 |
analice107: There was a place in the Bible where god hardened the heart of Pharaoh and he worsened the suffering of the Israelites, is it pharaoh's fault or god, because he should be in hell for letting god harden his heartheart |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by asalimpo(m): 12:23am On Mar 13, 2016 |
LoJ: Every entity is free to exercise their free will. God can react after the will exercised but if God turns the evil intent for good that doesnt mean that God enticed the entity to do evil. Or that for the sake that God turned the evil events for good, mean the entity doing evil has become an instrument God used. This is point you are trying to make. How about potiphar's wife? She tried to seduce joseph, Joseph didnt yield. He got thrown into jail, eventually became prime minister. Does that make potiphar's wife an instrument God used? Does that make the wicked brothers that sold him off an instrument God used? Judas was helping God accomplish His will. Judas was called to be an apostle. Those who are God's instruments, who 'help' God get rewarded. Rahab, helped the spies. She was rewarded. Abraham, was the instrument through which God would bless humanity, He was rewarded. Mary, was the virgin that would birth the Messaiah, She will be rewarded. Job, was faithful through suffering, He was rewarded. John, the baptist was the fore runner of Jesus, He will be rewarded etc Will judas be rewarded for selling his master? will joseph's brothers be rewarded for selling him? will potiphar's wife be rewarded for seducing Joseph? The fact that potiphar's wife was instrumental to Joseph's rise, through her attempt to seduce joseph, mean that, she was an instrument God was using (Big difference)? She was'nt also "helping" God accomplish His plan. God was accomplishing His plan INSPITE of her. That doesnt dilute the gravity of her offence. God was turning around her evil for good for Joseph's sake. This is a big and subtle difference. In the same vein, was God working through Judas, to make him sell Jesus , so that His plans would come to pass? The bible says , "Satan entered Judas". So Judas was yielding to satan. Judas was'nt God's instrument and he wasnt "helping" God. But INSPITE of Judas, the kangaroo court, the crazed mob, God fulfilled His plan. |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by SpotlezDonald25(m): 1:00pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Asalimpo and LoJ u guys are just good at what u do. |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by Nobody: 1:03pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
SpotlezDonald25:Thank you for the compliment. Still, I admit that I do not really understand what you meant by that. Have a great day! |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by SpotlezDonald25(m): 1:43pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
LoJ: U have this convincing attitude and I concur with ur arguement. 1 Like |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by elantraceey(f): 2:28pm On May 20, 2016 |
Sonoflucifer you forgot the remaining part? |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by Nobody: 5:36pm On May 27, 2016 |
elantraceey:boo how is everything? |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by UyiIredia(m): 6:24pm On May 27, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer:Wazap ! Where have u been ? |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by Nobody: 6:54pm On May 27, 2016 |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by AlfaSeltzer(m): 7:02pm On May 27, 2016 |
what did that dictator want with you? |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by UyiIredia(m): 7:23pm On May 27, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer:I'm fine. Just finished downing a good plate of bea with Ogbons soup. |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by Nobody: 8:00pm On May 27, 2016 |
Come on na..... Come revive this thread |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by elantraceey(f): 3:07pm On May 29, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer:Love, everything is beautiful, how have you been? i'm still waiting for the end of this story of yours. |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by Nobody: 5:59pm On May 29, 2016 |
elantraceey:God is still writing it. You can read others https://www.nairaland.com/2989687/how-jesus-died-sins-road https://www.nairaland.com/2828556/luciferean-series-understanding-christianity |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by aemmy: 1:56pm On May 31, 2016 |
K9blunt: Pharaoh didn't know what God capable of b4 den, he doesn't respect God nd he made God's ppl(Israelites) to suffer... Making him hardhearted is just a way to make him pay for what he did and to mk him nd odas know how powerful God is nd satan could av used anyone of d disciples bt it was easier for him to leverage on judas ' weakness... Good day |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by K9blunt(f): 9:15am On Jun 01, 2016 |
aemmy: That is really bogus, how can I make you extra wicked just to spite you. Am still trying to decipher the logic behind that falacy |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by aemmy: 4:28pm On Jun 01, 2016 |
K9blunt: He only hardened his heart nt to let dem go... Hes nt responsible for pharaoh's wicked behavior towards d Israelites... U need JESUS to understand it better |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by K9blunt(f): 10:56pm On Jun 01, 2016 |
aemmy: I don't need Jesus I need logical reaaoning. There is a big difference my dear. |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by Nobody: 10:59pm On Jun 01, 2016 |
aemmy:.Pharoah's behavior towards the Israelites was wicked. He deserved to be punished. When the Israelites destroyed and slaughtered other tribes in the name of God, it was justice. Thank God say em enslave us, how we for use go heaven? I spit on your skin color. |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by aemmy: 3:14pm On Jun 02, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: U need help from above nd one shldnt waste tym exchanging words wit u dou... U dnt lyk my skin colour nd dt problem is all yours; it doesn't reduce my self esteem a bit ... I love my colour nd dts what matters |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by aemmy: 3:29pm On Jun 02, 2016 |
K9blunt: Its logical bt it takes an open mind to see dt : it is difficult to understand it wen one's mind is hardened towards d gospel |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by K9blunt(f): 5:38pm On Jun 02, 2016 |
aemmy: Story, Your imaginary sky daddy was just too egoistical, so he preferred showing his might by hardening an already hardened person just to punish him..... Like that's just plain bogus, so much for giving humans choice. In fact that theory negates the freedom of choice your god allegedly gave humans since creation. As for Judas the poor guy was a pawn in your blood thirsty god because he just wanted he himself (son in the trinity. Lol) to suffer and die so he(god) could forgive humans .............. Common who are we kidding. This just shows the bible is just a book by humans inspired by conspiracy and thrill seeking nature to rule psychological slave minded people (no pun intended) . Wake up, majority of what has be taught by the bible and many other religious entities are based on human theories...... Their gods always have human tendencies I.e anger, hunger,sexual urges, jealousy etc. Yet they have supernatural powers to dominate and change rules as they want because they are gods! Take for instance; superman, wonder woman, Hera,Zeus,hades, then your bible god. They have supernatural and super powers but yet human tendencies. |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by K9blunt(f): 5:42pm On Jun 02, 2016 |
LoJ: My dear, just like one guy told me, "even though you're good and follow the ten commandments but don't believe in god , you will not make heaven over a sinner that believes" Like wtf! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Today, I Spoke With God by aemmy: 6:59pm On Jun 02, 2016 |
K9blunt: God's existence is not a fantasy lyk super man thing: its a real experience nd i found out dt he doesn't think lyk men so i dnt see HIS motives d way i see human motives... Many ppl read d bible and d reason for reading it determines hw u understand nd interpret it... I believe dt God exists nd Hes patient bt nt selfish or wicked... I found d truth nd dt makes me free.. Dts my belief nd I cant shove it down ur throat. I can only hope dt u get it b4 its too late... Lyk, av u ever tried to seek God personally to know who he really is b4 or u just say this things out of ur imagination? Pls seek nd ye shall find ur answers dt will set u free nd mk u feel better... I rest my case |
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