Medicis:
@Demmzy 15 receiving 1000 lashes.

truthman2012:
Demmzy15




Al-taqquah !!! Wanting to throw confusion. I knew you were going to come up with lies.

Samaria is the City, Samaritan is the inhabitant. I wonder what you mean by Samarian.

Thank God you admitted Samiri is translated Samaritan but did Samaritan exist in the time of Moses? The answer is no. Then, where did the quran get its own Samaritan in Moses time?

See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaria



You want to rewrite history to suit your argument? Muslims are addicted liars like their god, al-liar (allahh). Where did you get that trash from?

You can also read more of the history here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaria



Stop the distraction, we are talking of Samaritan in Arabic, which quran calls ''Samiri''. Is the quran written in Hebrew?

You are yet to let us know what Samaritan is called in Arabic in your own version.

Demmzy15:

Don't give yourself heartattack and don't even try and play that "Taqqiyah" card with because it won't work here.

Back to the discussion, what are your proofs that the Samaritans didn't exist in Moses's time? The Quran mentioned "Al Samiri" which is Samaritan in Arabic, please answer those questions and don't shame your foot soldiers Cc proudkafir Annunaki, druxy Parisbookaddict

Demmzy15:

Don't give yourself heartattack and don't even try and play that "Taqqiyah" card with because it won't work here.

Back to the discussion, what are your proofs that the Samaritans didn't exist in Moses's time? The Quran mentioned "Al Samiri" which is Samaritan in Arabic, please answer those questions and don't shame your foot soldiers Cc proudkafir Annunaki, druxy Parisbookaddict

Demmzy15:

Don't give yourself heartattack and don't even try and play that "Taqqiyah" card with because it won't work here.

Back to the discussion, what are your proofs that the Samaritans didn't exist in Moses's time? The Quran mentioned "Al Samiri" which is Samaritan in Arabic, please answer those questions and don't shame your foot soldiers Cc proudkafir Annunaki, druxy Parisbookaddict

parisbookaddict:

Why are u so confused my brother in humanity

U deserve only pity.

parisbookaddict:

Why are u so confused my brother in humanity

U deserve only pity.

truthman2012:


How can a Samaritan have led the Israelites astray at the time of Moses (approx 1400 B.C.) when the city of Samaria was founded by King Omri about 870 B.C.?

Nadheer15:
Stop making empty noise Mr. Man, I asked you a question, what is Samaritan in Hebrew language?! The Encyclopedia Judaica doesn't support your view:

Little guidance is obtained from the name of the Samaritans. The Bible uses the name Shomronim once, in II Kings 17:29, but this probably means Samarians rather than Samaritans. The Samaritans themselves do not use the name at all; they have long called themselves Shamerin; i.e., "keepers" or "observers" of the truth = al ha-amet, both the short and long forms being in constant use in their chronicles. They take the name Shomronim to mean inhabitants of the town of Samaria built by Omri (cf. I Kings 16:24), where the probable origin of the word Shomronim is to be found).
"Samaritans" in Encyclopaedia Judaica, 1972, Volume 14, Encyclopaedia Judaica Jerusalem, col. 728.

So you can see that your bible translators probably don't know history.

Truthman2012, Parisbookaddict, Annunaki, etc please who is a Samaritan?!

truthman2012:


How does this address the OP?

Is it the meaning of the name Samaritan that is in contention or the time they started existing?

If you don't know, what we are saying is that as at the time of Moses when the saga of golden calf came up, Samaritan was not yet in existence. Why did allahh or Muhammad say nonexistent Samaritan led the Israelites to worship golden calf? Samaritan did not exist until about 500 years after Moses had died. That is allahh's poor knowledge of history we are talking of.

Nadheer15:
We'll see who deserves pity after I rubbish your bible now! Deal with this first!

truthman2012:


My friend, don't introduce an irrelevant topic here because you lack defence. Their is nothing to rubbish the Bible but your misinterpretations.

Nadheer15:

I asked you for Samaritan in Hebrew you've not answered me, the Quran mentioned Al Samiri which is Samaritan while the bible mentioned something entirely different as shown in my post above. The bible mentioned Samarian, this is someone who lives in Samaria and it has nothing to do with the Samaritan.

So who are the Samaritans truthman2012 et al

Nadheer15:
Are you scared or what? You derailed this thread long ago by bringing up issues about Prophet Muhammad's(saw) marriage, so you've got no right to complain.

truthman2012:


Scared of what ?

Whatever you say, our God is capable of defending Himself, He fights our battle for us. Unlike allahh who requested for muslims help to fight in his course. What a weak god.

truthman2012:


[s]What do you mean the Bible mentioned Samarian, something entirely different? How can you afford to tell a glaring lie? I wouldn't blame you because it is permitted in islam. We have even discovered the quran itself is a bundle of lies.[/s]

2 Kings 17:29 (KJV)

Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt.

Where did you see Samarian? Even if you see Samarian elsewhere, it means Samaritan and Samarian are the same.

I want to believe Muhammad learnt of that Bible passage and thought it happened in the time.of Moses. Ignorance.

Nadheer15:
We'll see who deserves pity after I rubbish your bible now! Deal with this first!

parisbookaddict:


We will see through your lies , u can try but u'll fail.

Nadheer15:


Low self-esteem, don't be scared, I won't crush yo



Here's the verse in Hebrew:


The bible uses shomronim(Samarian), this is different from shamerin(Samaritan). So you're getting it twisted!



Samaritan means 'keepers" or "observers" while Samarian means an "inhabitant of Samaria". There's a difference between the two and your bible translated rubbish!



You haven't proved the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) to be wrong, you're just guessing and fooling around. Prove him wrong boy!

truthman2012:
Are there errors in the Qur’an? –

Are there historical inaccuracies?

If the quran is the word of the all-knowing God, why would he make this glaring mistake?

While the list of historical inaccuracies and anachronisms is vast, one has been selected for discussion here. Surah 20 relays the incident of the golden calf. In Surah 20:85-88, 95 we read:

“He [Allah] said, ‘We have tempted thy people since thou didist leave them. The Samaratin has led them into error.’ Then Moses returned…and we cast them [(gold) ornaments], as the Samaritan also threw them, into the fire.’ (Then he brought out for them a Calf, a mere body that lowed; and they said, ‘This is your god, and the god of Moses, whom he has forgotten.’)…Moses said, ‘And thou, Samaritan, what was thy business?’”

Now, let us consider this for just a moment. How can a Samaritan have led the Israelites astray at the time of Moses (approx 1400 B.C.) when the city of Samaria was founded by King Omri about 870 B.C.? The Samaritans did not exist until after the exile of the Northern Kingdom of Israel and the resettlement of the area under King Sargon II in 722 B.C. with non-Israelites who then adopted a syncretism (mixture) between the religion of the Jews and their own polytheistic background. The Samaritans did not exist until 530 years after Moses. By this mistake alone, the Qur’an can be rendered unreliable and certainly not an inerrant work of God.

So, when I say islam is not from the true God, am I not right?

The world was not expecting islam. Jesus said:

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come (Mat. 24:14).

God expects the Gospel of Jesus to be preached till the end of the world, islam is not in God's plan of salvation for mankind.

Do muslims have anything to say ?

From the Quranic Arabic Corpus - Ontology of Quranic Concepts

Samiri (السامرى) is mentioned in the Quran as the one who turned against Musa (Moses) and misled people to worship the golden calf. This concept is part of the following classification in the ontology:

source: http://corpus.quran.com/concept.jsp?id=samiri

importexpert:



salam to everyone in the house. please never manipulate the holy qur'an just to achieve your own self interest. i just wish you know qur'an better so that we can dig into more light that proof qur'an is the light. for the verses you quoted above, samiri was clearly a person's name and not samarians as you manipulate it to be. let me proof to you:

[ Allah ] said, "But indeed, We have tried your people after you [departed], and the Samiri has led them astray. Q20:85

So Moses returned to his people, angry and grieved. He said, "O my people, did your Lord not make you a good promise? Then, was the time [of its fulfillment] too long for you, or did you wish that wrath from your Lord descend upon you, so you broke your promise [of obedience] to me?" Q20:86

They said, "We did not break our promise to you by our will, but we were made to carry burdens from the ornaments of the people [of Pharaoh], so we threw them [into the fire], and thus did the Samiri throw."Q20:87

And he extracted for them [the statue of] a calf which had a lowing sound, and they said, "This is your god and the god of Moses, but he forgot." Q20:87

he above clear shows that samiri is a single person. wait let me show you more obvious proofs

[Moses] said, "And what is your case, O Samiri?" Q20:95

i skipped 88-94 but you can reference to them here http://quran.com/20/85-95

He said, "I saw what they did not see, so I took a handful [of dust] from the track of the messenger and threw it, and thus did my soul entice me." Q20:96

above is another clear proof. samiri was asked a question and above was his answer. or are you too blind to see that?

[Moses] said, "Then go. And indeed, it is [decreed] for you in [this] life to say, 'No contact.' And indeed, you have an appointment [in the Hereafter] you will not fail to keep. And look at your 'god' to which you remained devoted. We will surely burn it and blow it into the sea with a blast. Q20:97

still referring to samiri above clearly shows you that samiri is a person.





if you need further clarification on who samiri was, kindly make a little more research on who was samiri during "prophet moses (Musa A.s). please stop misleading people on cheap lies.

truthman2012:


Trash !!!

Do you understand Hebrew?

You want to claim you know Hebrew more than the translators of the Bible. Nonsense.

Now, in that Hebrew writing you copied from an islamic site, pinpoint the word "Samarian",with proof by mentioning the alphabet.

Nadheer15:






Why do you care? Do you know Arabic?!



I'm claiming to know more than them. We have Samaritans today in the state of Israel, they've never called themselves shomronim(Samarian). These people claim they're descendants of Joseph, so who are am i to believe? You or them?



Go back to the post and look at the underlined, that's the word there.

truthman2012:


Nonsense !!!

What did you explain now ?

Are you saying Samiri is not Samaritan ?

Please note that other muslims here have admitted that that Samiri is Samaritan.

If to you Samiri is not Samaritan, who was he (with proofs)?

importexpert:


unfortunately you were to blind to see the proofs that samiri is an individual. i made enough proofs above. you can take 1minute and search on google "who was samiri during prophet moses". it will save you a lot of ignorance.


the level of understanding differ between diff individuals but the message in the qur'an remains one. look into my post, reason and criticize logically coz above is the direct message that you misinterpreted as a result of your ignorance. i work base on the sayings of the holy qur'an not the sayings of other Muslims so judge me with what i say not with what they say. or are you ashamed to now admit that the truth is out ? i respect other faiths in the house so i will not talk about Errors in their scriptures but when the need arises, this i may discuss for reference purposes only and not for condemnation.

truthman2012:


Islamic al-taqquah !

Nobody is talking about Samarian, I wonder where you got that from.

The quran talks about Samiri, which is the Arabic word for Samaritan.

Stop introducing what doesn't exist as your defence.

Nadheer15:


What does that mean?!



The biblical verse you provided talks about a "Samarian" which means "an inhabitant of the city of samaria", whereas the Quran speaks of "Samaritan" which literally means "keepers". They're totally different from each other, the Samaritans exists today and they claim they're descendants of Joseph, remember that Joseph was born 100s of years before Moses.

Wikipedia states:

Ancestrally, Samaritans claim descent from the Israelite tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh (two sons of Joseph) as well as from the priestly tribe of Levi

So truthman2012, Parisbookaddict, Annunaki, druxy, etc I ask you all, who came first- Moses or Joseph?!



Of course I didn't dispute that!



Low self-esteem, you've failed Mr. Man. Your foot soldiers must be disappointed in you, stop holding on to a feeble straw.

truthman2012:


Read the OP again and again, may be you will understand the fact that history has it that there was no Samaritan until about 500 years after Moses.

If the Samaritans are descendants of Joseph, does that mean they had established Samaria during the time of Joseph?

The Yorubas are descendants of Oduduwa, does that mean Abeokuta existed in the time of Oduduwa?

Demmzy15:


Shut your trap hypocritic ignoramus, this same demon is what over 15 million Arab christians call God. Better go and seek forgiveness!



It's not an error, just because something doesn't agree with your bible doesn't mean it's an error. Disprove the Quran from historically not from your porn filled manual you call a bible.