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Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 10:22am On Mar 25, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: I would have preffered if jusmudi provided the scriptures himself, cus what he said and the scripture you provided do not correspond. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Nairaland111(m): 10:42am On Mar 25, 2016 |
what is family ? Do u know we ar xam family because we are serving xam God? Do u know we ar family because we ar in xam blog? So do u know we ar family because we ar 4rn xam tribe or state or country D relationship I ll agree is dt dey maybe jews which d gentiles ll nt agree to attend because of discrimination, so wat relationship ar u talkin abt?? my Bros 4get dis argument because I Dn't c ur stand dolphinheart: |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by swizmony(m): 10:56am On Mar 25, 2016 |
Jusmudi:God bless you for this |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 12:57pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: just qoute those verses and we will examine. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 1:00pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
Nairaland111: pls go to a fellow nairalander's wedding , or even go to your church member's wedding and start giving commands, na their you go know say una no be family. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 5:02pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
dolphinheart:OK. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by BLINGZ88: 9:25pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
analice107:the bible has so many translation but the main thing is knowing that Christ came to d world to die 4 out sins and they are so many places where totem were used in the bible. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by BLINGZ88: 9:34pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
Peritus:my dear, all I want to say to u is that Catholics don't worship marry because all we say to Mary is pray 4 us, the same thing u ask ur mortal pastors to do 4 u |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 9:45pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
dolphinheart:you can xplain how they dont correspond. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 10:03pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
dolphinheart:you are trying to lie with th bible. The words are "do not make for yourself" not "do not make for urself witout my command" that is how people add things to the bible, "do not make for urself" is clear enough unles u have problem with comprehesion, it simply means do not make any image FOR yourself, ie do not make any image for ur own use, it is a blanket rule and there is nothing about "without my command there" the passage doesnt say that whether u read it in greek or hebrew or english. As explained earlier,u said every image had detailed command for it given by God, please show me where God gave the directive for the above image! The passage above tell us that they were made, now show me d scripture that says God gave a detail directive for them. For ur info d above images werent hidden. As to the great winged creature, you would not have known that the creatures wings are great, or the materials used to make them if details where not given. Read 1 kings chapter 6.where is d directive given for that particular image? U claim all images were from divine directive, where did God command that the above image be made. Pls quote the verses for us to see!have u lost ur bible? |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 11:04pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
analice107:true but not exactly. I AM PART OF THE CHURCH, A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH. The church is the body of Christ and i am a part in that body Jesus is the head, he found the church and did so on the apostles, that is the church i am in. Not the one made by men. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 11:11pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
Ubenedictus:You still misunderstand. The house we all gather in, or the huge crowed we constitute, is not the church. You and I individually, are the church. You become a church of Jesus christ, (His Temple) the day you have a revelation of who he truely is. That's why it takes just two or three of us to cause an earth quake. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Jusmudi(m): 11:20pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
[quote author=swizmony post=44092124] God bless you for this[/quote Tanks a lot |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Jusmudi(m): 11:23pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
dolphinheart: Bros my broda just gave U d verse wat do u want me to do |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 11:26pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
BLINGZ88:Example of those places in the Bible? And, do well to also post where we are Commanded to use them as items for worship or veneration, or honour. Whichever word you Catholics chooses to use to explain your idolatery. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Jusmudi(m): 11:32pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
dolphinheart:. Bros free style. D dude is very correct. Dn't add anything to d bible oooo, dey just told us d role mary played.. Just accept it dt way.. Is nt novel dt u ll try to criticise because dis is word of GOD. If u can''t understand meet sm1 dt can put u 2ru |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 11:38pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
dolphinheart:i just did, now u can tell why it contradicts ur position. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 11:48pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
analice107:i never said d church is the building, u are d one na forcing words in my mouth. I said the church is the body of Christ and I am a member in that body. That is what the bible says. It never said a single person is the church, it instead say d church is d body of Jesus and I am a part in it or a member. If u wish to argue this then i'll have to allow u do dat with paul d apostle. That is what he taught. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 11:54pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
dolphinheart:that is ur own opinion not in d bible |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by BLINGZ88: 6:57am On Mar 26, 2016 |
analice107:I don't like repeating what I said, totems where used in the bible nd in reply to another post, I made it clear that Catholics ask Mary nd other saints to pray for them, the same thing u ask ur pastor to do 4 u.... But if u still say that Catholics worship status, fine nd good because we wear medals, then LORDS CHOOSEN worship their church because they wear clothes with their churches name written all over it |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Syncan(m): 10:48am On Mar 26, 2016 |
analice107: Dear one, just like Ubenedictus asked earlier, you need to ask yourself and tell us what lineage is. I can at this stage plead with you to read Matt.1:1-16, and concentrate on the way each father beget the son, and the way the last sentence in verse 16 describes Joseph's relationship with Jesus. You'll find out that Joseph is only related to Jesus because he married Mary the mother of Jesus. I don't know why you have to say what you said, it's a basic knowledge in Scripture and Christiandom that Mary is more related to Jesus than Joseph. I wish you will be open to a fair discussion where you will acknowledge truth when it is revealed. However after Mary, Joseph is another great saint that Catholics venerate, he was privileged while on earth and he lived a holy life. Again I say Mary is not in competition with God nor with any saint. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 2:50pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: simple, what jusmudi said is different from the scriptures you quoted. you can quote what he said and quote the scripture you gave and compare the two, they are not saying the same thing! |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 2:55pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
Syncan:Lineage is one's family tree which links you to your ancestors. Am shocked you are asking me this. Why didn't you type out what Mat 1:16 says? Here is what it says. Verse 15. And Eliud begat Eliazar; and Eliazar begat Mathan; and Mathan begat Jacob; 16. And Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary, the mother of Jesus. When Angel Gabriel appeared to Joseph, he addressed Joseph as 'Son of David'. Matt. 1:20. The Messiah was promised through the Lineage of Judah, through David came, then Joseph. Mary wasn't from the tribe of Judah, so what is the fuss all about Mary? If I happen to marry into your family, the child I will bare won't be traced to my ancestors, it will rather be traced to your family's. Do you now understand what Lineage means? |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Syncan(m): 3:05pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
analice107: I am glad you quoted it yourself, just to put it simply, do you mind showing me "and Joseph begat Jesus, the Messiah"? The fuss about Mary? I should be asking you that question because whatever fuss you have about Mary is alien to Christianity. She bore God in her womb, gave birth to God, nurtured God as He in turn obeyed her, was with Him till Calvary, and arranged His human body in the tomb. That's a privilege no other human can boast of. God has raised her up, all generations shall call her blessed. Now she is with Him in heaven interceding for us and praising God; along with the rest of the saints. If you marry into my family the child will only be traced to my lineage if I am the father, which I could be also by adoption. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 3:29pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
Syncan: Are you serious? So where you come from, a child's family tree runs through its mother's ancestry? Even in this case where the Messiah's lineage was already prophesied to come through Judah, you still fight against it? Why am i surprised? Catholics don't have time with what the scriptures says. Plse do tell if any of Mary's gene contributed to the Child in her whom? What part of Mary was in Christ? Oh wait!!!. She breast fed the child. Mary was just a container which availed itself for the Master's use. Just as Joseph contributed nothing Biologically to Christ, Mary also contributed nothing. It was all God's project. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Syncan(m): 3:42pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
analice107: Pls have pity on yourself,lest people reading this start looking down on you. First you claim Joseph was more related to Jesus than Mary, I have shown you clearly that Joseph is not as related to Jesus as Mary is. To Joseph, Jesus is an adopted son, to Mary, Jesus is her natural son. You may want to dance around this till eternity, it will not change. It's there in Scripture looking at you. Its always easy for you to run to insult by saying catholics dont know scriptures. Don't even get me started with scriptures, you may want to go through my posts to know me better. Catholics compiled that scripture, we teach its truth. Again, you ask what Mary contributed to Jesus, and I will answer that she gave him all the genes a mother could give,, since he has only one earthly parent, he got all from her. Wow!!! Your mother must be so proud to hear you say she was just a container for you to be born, and contributed nothing biologically to your birth. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 4:05pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
Syncan:Oh!!! Am really ashamed of myself already. Don't bother about what my mother thinks of me. She knows that, although she bore me for 9months, am a Cameroonian, that's because, that's where my family tree is traced to. I think you just called the Bible or the people who traced Jesus' lineage to Abraham, down to Adam fools. Why didn't they traced Mary's family tree, but rather Josephs'? Shey the parent the child is related to the most is whose lineage is traced. Answer me this. Which Tribe was prophesied to, through which the Messiah should come? Or, dodn't you believe in prophecies sir? |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 4:16pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
BLINGZ88:And I said, throw in a scripture or two to buttress your point. The Bible, as a matter of fact, Christians are admonished to pray for one another (the living). And Apostle Paul begs believers to pray for him to have boldness to preach the gospel. How can u ask a dead man to pray for you the living. And you guys even pray for the dead. Excuse me sir, I was also I Catholic until not too long ago, so you are not talking to someone who was born in Pentecostalism. Once upon a time, I was where you are now, defending falsehood. I pray the Holy Spirit convicts your heart. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 5:38pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
Ubenedictus:I believe that you just want to accuse me of something that's why you said this. pls read my post again , I did not twist the scriptures, I just gave you my own understanding of God's command using the details given by the scriptures as guide. 1. The scriptures shows that the isrealites made images that where approved by jehovah for religious purpose. 2. The scriptures shows that the isrealites made images that where not approved by jehovah. 3. All the images approved by jehovah had a prior command approving it's construction 4. All the images not aproved by jehovah did not have a prior command. 5. There fore "do not make for yourself" could not mean "do not make for yourself any image at all" Since there is evidence to show that they did made images(for there own use) that has gods approval. 6. looking at the images God approved and disproved , we can conclude that "do not make for yourselves" mean "do not make for yourself any image without prior approval or command" as all image maDe without this where rejected by jehovah. u said every image had detailed command for it given by God, please show me where God gave the directive for the above image! The passage above tell us that they were made, now show me d scripture that says God gave a detail directive for them. For ur info d above images werent hidden.1Ch 28:6“He said to me, ‘Your son Solʹo·mon is the one who will build my house and my courtyards, for I have chosen him as my son and I will become his father. (you can also read 1 sam 7:13) as you can see from the above scriptures, Jehovah specified who will construct the house, like all other images,e.g the ark, Jehovah mentioned the person who will do or oversee the construction. The scriptures let us know that David, a loyal servant of jehovah had a lot of things ready so as to start the construction, but he obeyed jehovah. 1Ch 28:10- 19: See, now, for Jehovah has chosen you to build a house as a sanctuary. Be courageous and go to work.” 11. David then gave to his son Solʹo·mon the architectural plan of the porch and of its houses, its storerooms, its roof chambers, its inner rooms, and the house of the propitiatory cover. 12. He gave him the architectural plan of everything that had been conveyed to him through inspiration for the courtyards of Jehovah’s house, for all the dining rooms around it, for the treasuries of the house of the true God, and for the treasuries of the things made holy; 13 .also for the divisions of the priests and of the Levites, for all the duties of the service of Jehovah’s house, and for all the utensils of the service of Jehovah’s house; 14. also for the weight of the gold, the gold for all the utensils for the different services, the weight of all the utensils of silver, and for all the utensils for the different services; 15. also the weight for the gold lampstands and their gold lamps, the weight of the different lampstands and their lamps, and the weight of the silver lampstands, for each lampstand and its lamps according to its use; 16. also the weight of the gold for the tables of the layer bread, for each table, as well as the silver for the tables of silver, 17. for the forks, the bowls, the pitchers of pure gold, and the weight of the small gold bowls, for each small bowl, and the weight of the small silver bowls, for each small bowl. 18. he also gave the weight for the refined gold for the incense altar and for the representation of the chariot, namely, the cherubs of gold that spread their wings out and overshadow the ark of the covenant of Jehovah. 19. David said: “The hand of Jehovah was upon me, and he gave me insight to put all the details of the architectural plan in writing.” 1Ki 6:1,11,12: In the 480th year after the Israelites came out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year after Solʹo·mon became king over Israel, in the month of Ziv (that is, the second month), he began to build the house of Jehovah. 11. Meanwhile, the word of Jehovah came to Solʹo·mon, saying: 12“As for this house that you are building, if you walk in my statutes and carry out my judgments and observe all my commandments by walking in them, I will also carry out with you my promise that I made to David your father, 2Ch 4:19,20,22: Solʹo·mon made all the utensils for the house of the true God: the altar of gold; the tables with the showbread on them; 20. the lampstands and their lamps of pure gold, to burn before the innermost room according to the requirements; 22. the extinguishers, the bowls, the cups, and the fire holders, of pure gold; and the entrance of the house, its inner doors for the Most Holy, and the doors of the house of the temple, of gold. 1Ki 6:38and in the 11th year, in the month of Bul (that is, the eighth month), the house was finished in all its details and according to its plan. So he spent seven years building it. Ubene,pls tell if any of my following points is or are false. 1.the scriptures tell us that God commanded that Solomon built the temple, and the scriptures tell us that Solomon built temple. 2.The scriptures tell that the details of these temple construction where given to david by inspiration, I'll leave to speculate where the inspiration came from. 3. The scriptures tell us that David recorded the inspiration " in written". 4. The scriptures tells us that David gave the details of the temple construction to solomon(the only he was inspired to right down. 5. The scriptures tells you that Solomon constructed the temple according to its requirements/ details/ plans. 6. The scriptures tells you that this temple, inclusive of all the images in it met God's approval, which was even physically manifest. you see all these in these scriptures , yet you are asking where and when the directives was given to make the images. Your aim is to find fault with images made by Solomon, so as to find similarity with the images of Jesus made today. but the scriptures has shown that the image in the temple follow the construction of other images. 1. The command for the construction of the ark, copper snake and image in temple is given by God and recorded. 2. the person who is to carry out that command to construct, the ark, snake and images in temple are given and recorded. 3. The approval of God to those images was shown physically. God showed his presence in the ark and temple, and the copper snake served it's purpose. The construction of the images of Jesus today does not follow or have anything in comMon with these points above. Ubene, the scriptures are there for a protection, to protect us from people who make false images of Jesus! where is d directive given for that particular image? U claim all images were from divine directive, where did God command that the above image be made.when God has shown you he approved of the construction of the temple,you are asking about a particular image, when solomon had given you the details, you now want to claim it's not part of the details given to him by David. Some of these scriptures will help your research sha. ex 26:1 ex 27:9 2 chr 5:7 eze 41:24, 25 heb 8:5 as to the issue of the images being hidden. you did not qoute what I said. I stated that less than 1% of the isrealites could see these images, in an essence they(the images) where hidden from them. check the location of each image, and then check if the isrealites can easily enter their or not. tion 2Ch 5:8Thus the wings of the cherubs were spread out over the place of the Ark, so that the cherubs covered over the Ark and its poles from above. 2Ch 5:9The poles were so long that the tips of the poles were visible from the Holy in front of the innermost room, but they were not visible from outside. And they are there to this day. have u lost ur bible?Bro , if you dnt want to quote the scripture pls let us know. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 5:43pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
Jusmudi: 1. you did not state that the verse he quoted is the same as one I asked you to present 2. the content of that verse and what you said do not correspond ! |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 5:51pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Well that's my understanding of the scriptures. can you give your understanding of these verse? New International Version john 2:11What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him. are you saying jesus had performed miracle(s) before these and Mary had seen he could perform miracles? note my statement: , let me rephrase: neither mary or anyone had seen Jesus perform any miracle before turning water into wine. Hope you get me now? |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 6:16pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
Jusmudi: if you had not jumped in, you would have known the discussion is not based on doctrine, or meant to pass on any spiritual message, we where just discussing on our personal view of why Mary could have such authority at the wedding. my views should not be taken as a true ocurrence of events . my explanations has in no way What so ever denied or criticised the role Mary played at the wedding!, in fact it supports it! If u can''t understand meet sm1 dt can put u 2ruif I can't understand what? what scripture have you presented to me on the issue of the wedding that I've posted something contrary to? |
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