lookingfly:
make me believe Adam is the origin of atheism.

No one can make you believe anything. The facts will be stated before you, the choice to believe is solely yours.
What is Atheism. Atheism is refusing to believe there's a supreme being. Or the unbelieve in the supernatural, hence; the believe in one's self.
Adam started the believe in self. Rejected God's rule over him.

LastSurvivor:


9z one but mind you, God is not ur mother who is just trying to know if you will touch the Wheat Bread without being sure, we are talking about a God that knows fully well from onset that u gonna take the bread.. Remember he is all knowing not like he's trying to ascertain unlike my mum who is not really sure what am gonna do..

So the question is why is he trying Adam since he already knows the outcome before the trial..

I know God is not a mother. It's an allusion.
i used a mother son relationship to create imagery.

My dear, Bottom line is, Adam fell. But there's a way out nah. Why are we still stock in this Adams fall instead of taking the way out and move on?

themosthigh:
Because jehovah is a wicked being who is looking for reasons to punish man and not blame himself...that is why he came down to earth to claim that he died for our sins out of his love for us only to wake up in three days,return back to heaven and claim he can now punish man in ethernal fire if we refuse to believe he died for our sins.....he gives us no evidence and punish us for saying it us a lie....he is worst than the devil and i will march out against him on armagadon carrying the black flag of lucifer...we will finally defeat him and lock him up in the bottomless pit which he created for his beloved creation...we almost did it during the tym.of the fallen angels and later when we where lead by the prince of persia to defeat all his angels and prevent daniels prayer from reaching God and we will succeed this tym around and end his reign of tyranny..

Psalms 2:1-4

 1  Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

 2  The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

 3  Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

 4  He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

God loves you, He"ll save your soul from the power of the grave an deliver you from the grip of hell. you are alive cos he wants you to be and he will use you. Give your life to God

booqee:
I keep wondering why did God even create the tree of life in the garden of Eden in the first place if He didn't want man to sin..

Some say its intentional... if it is, why was He so displeased to the extent of placing a curse on them...
He created us as man.. not as gods or heavenly creatures.. so of course he was easy and prone to falling for temptation.. so I assumed He knew from the start while creating him, that man would fall by eating the forbidden fruit...
so why bother creating it and then cursing man when it is believed He knew he would fall.. (that's the part that makes it look unfair) .. its similar to setting a concealed trap right in front of us..

I'm confused honestly ..

contributions are welcome

Unfortunately, there is no good answer to this puzzle. There are and always be arguments for and against Adam because of the orientation of various beliefs. Adam had a choice, yes. He chose to accept what the serpent said as true and went ahead to eat the fruit he was warned not to eat. The consequences therefore were a direct result of the disobedience exhibited there, according to the story. But, no argument has been made to the effect that, If God has always been presented as All Merciful and Loving, wouldn't forgiving Adam (and Eve) been the merciful and loving thing to do there and then? No apologetic really wants to write that the serpent was right (God DID confirm what the serpent said was true). They focus on the fact of the 'you shall not surely die'. Well, inasmuch as everyone says Adam had a choice to not accept the serpent's words, God did have a choice NOT to punish Adam. The choice was not exercised, instead the punishment was upheld. Note that the enactment of the punishment was banishing them away from the tree of life, from which they would have eaten what could make them immortal (hence, proving what the serpent said to be true. Eating the tree of knowledge would have led to eating of the tree of life and hence, no death).

So the question really is about the choice you make, who you are really. Your true self is revealed when you don't have anyone to answer to. Adam must have wondered what that power would have felt like, being like God, knowing good from evil. For some reason, God put the knowledge within reach but told Adam not to find out. When we get to heaven or somehow have access to God the way Abraham once did, I intend to ask Him why He chose to watch his beloved creation succumb to the very thing we as Christians are striving to be - to be like Christ (who is God).

The above didn't answer your question, did it?

Ma nigg, when u die, you can ask Baba God anything, no human alive is gonn give you a good answer. all you'll prolly hear is hypocritical shii....Word!!

ministeriallist:
The tree of life is different from the tree of knowledge of good n bad. The tree of life was meant to make Adam n Eve to live forever while the the tree of the knowledge of good n bad is to show their obedience to their creator as the one with the right to rule.
The tree is not the only one in the garden. There were many variety of trees good for food in the garden, so it was easy for them to have obeyed the law of their creator. The creator only want them to decide whether they want to obey Him n live or disobey n die.

but u agree that omniscient God knew they will eat it before but he just choose to create the tree? and as omnipresent he was there looking when they were eating the fruit?

analice107:

Create this scenarios in your mind's eyes.

Am your Mum, sovery rich. Everything you want you can get, I have a mansion which you live in it with me. One day i call you into a room empty, I mean nothing to eat in it, and then I give you an instruction saying, "Am going out my son, see that you touch nothing in this room till I return.
Remember, it's an empty room, and am telling you not to touch anything. What's is there to touch?

Again, I am your parent, am very wealthy. You of course is my child, and so lives in my mansion full of everything. But I call you and instructs you and say "Son, you can make use of everything in the freezer, every thing, only just this "wheat Bread", pls don't touch it", and I went out.
I left everything to your disposal, no restrains. There's assorted of everything. All kinds of breads, eat your fill, but don't touch the Wheat Bread. But you left every other thing you are free to touch and eat, but went to the only one I instructed you don't touch.
In your head or mind's eye, what do you see?

Let me help you. God Wanted to teach Adam Obidience and control.

In the first scenario, the room was empty, so Adam would of course have nothing to touch. If he touched nothing, because there was nothing to touch, would you call that Obidience? Will he be exercising any control? No.

The second scenario. Every thing but ONE is given to you. BUT you are instructed, leave the Wheat Bread alone. But u left the flour bread or corn bread and went for the wheat bread. Would you say Adam did well?
Can you obey instructions without control? No.
If you love me, you will respect me, if you respect me, you will obey me. Finish.
When you ask questions first think.

remember this your God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent

The answer you seek is here: http://faithfuljoel.com/2015/07/the-tree-of-knowledge-of-good-evil/

OgundeleT:
remember this your God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent

I do. What and who is your own God?

analice107:

I do. What and who is your own God?

if your god is what you have claimed then he doesn't deserve any worship. how can he/she be so dumb to such an extent?

Good and Bad and you deliberately chose Bad. God did not force you. You chose Bad because you were greedy, corrupt, insatiable, disobedient, inferior and thought you would come back for the Good as well. God is good. He seized the Good for Himself and from that time onward, He wanted you to always approach Him for the Good. God was still in process of making us as perfect as Himself when we overreached ourselves. God is Knowledge, He did not want us to reach for evil. Infact, He warned us. He was about to perfect us when we fell short of His expectation. We are in wherever we are today owing to our separateness from God, which is selfishness of choice from the Right Hand of God and from Righteousness.

analice107:

Where have you been man? I was going to open a thread calling you out. Happy New year, Happy Easter.

I am Chilling! Happy New year and Easter to you too!

I have been part of the "cloud of witnesses", observing from afar.

I see you're still strong in the defence of the Gospel. Keep it strong yea!

Jeromejnr:


I am Chilling! Happy New year and Easter to you too!

I have been part of the "cloud of witnesses", observing from afar.

I see you're still strong in the defence of the Gospel. Keep it strong yea!

Wow, you are now an elder. Wonderful.
Well, the Joy of the Lord is our strength.

analice107:

It's called allusion. Imagery

You can use as much allusion as you like, as long as you answer the question posited. It's not even a challenging question but I even know the answer more than you the supposed Christian Lol. Maybe you should join me

OP said, in His omniscience He knew we lack self control, why did He still put the damned bread in the fridge? Simple question.

Why was the bread not given the house help or the house rats or even thrown in the garbage?
Where's kingebukasblog

OgundeleT:

if your god is what you have claimed then he doesn't deserve any worship. how can he/she be so dumb to such an extent?

What can I say to you wise one, but this?

1Corinthians 1:25 The foolishness of God is wiser than men's, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's.
Chapter 2:14 But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
SO, WISE ONE. this is where I sign off on you.
Wait!!!. Before I go. Just know this anyways. You will still stand judgement before this my very foolish God someday soon. And, you don't need to believe it. But you will.

Nmeri17:
You can use as much allusion as you like, as long as you answer the question posited. It's not even a challenging question but I even know the answer more than you the supposed Christian Lol. Maybe you should join me

OP said, in His omniscience He knew we lack self control, why did He still put the damned bread in the fridge? Simple question.

Why was the bread not given the house help or the house rats or even thrown in the garbage?
Where's kingebukasblog

OK sir. Yahweh is the sovereign God, he chose to put the bread in the fridge.

Now, now, listen before you run away with yourself. Calm down. How many years have you lived on earth. 25? 30 maybe? Very soon you will die, when you get there, sit on your throne and Summon God, demand an explanation to all this His stupidity. Am quite certain He will explain Himself to your Majesty.

themosthigh:
Because jehovah is a wicked being who is looking for reasons to punish man and not blame himself...that is why he came down to earth to claim that he died for our sins out of his love for us only to wake up in three days,return back to heaven and claim he can now punish man in ethernal fire if we refuse to believe he died for our sins.....he gives us no evidence and punish us for saying it us a lie....he is worst than the devil and i will march out against him on armagadon carrying the black flag of lucifer...we will finally defeat him and lock him up in the bottomless pit which he created for his beloved creation...we almost did it during the tym.of the fallen angels and later when we where lead by the prince of persia to defeat all his angels and prevent daniels prayer from reaching God and we will succeed this tym around and end his reign of tyranny..

COMPOUND FOOL!!!

analice107:

OK sir. Yahweh is the sovereign God, he chose to put the bread in the fridge.

Now, now, listen before you run away with yourself. Calm down. How many years have you lived on earth. 25? 30 maybe? Very soon you will die, when you get there, sit on your throne and Summon God, demand an explanation to all this His stupidity. Am quite certain He will explain Himself to your Majesty.

my brother it's you and your family that will die very soon o! you hear?

Michael820:
I like the way you presented the facts and the backings from the Bible,but I have one question, if Adam and Eve were told not to eat out of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil,could this mean they have no knowledge of good and bad prior to the eating of the fruit, which means they don't know what they are doing is wrong until after eating it? and if they don't know, could that be a sin or not? thanks

Good question. Trying to know this things will help us to understand God better. It is a real predicament if people try to understand scriptures only literally. Let us examine what the scripture says. And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good (Genesis 1:31 KJV). From the beginning man knew what was good, he was in goodness. He was created wonderfully, with a fully functional brain, and the ability to make choices. Adam and eve already knew, interlectually the difference between good and evil. God said, i made you like me, to function like me Genesis 1:26. Speaking to an intelligent being, God said; Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat. Take everything, i give them to you. But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17 KJV). The correlation between the knowledge of good and evil is the case study here. Man knew what was good already, the natural choice of something would be the knowledge of evil. If you eat this fruit you will know evil, it will take you outside the parameters which i designed for you. You will not only know evil, you will experience it. If you don't, you will know good continuously. The choice is yours to make.

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


Its high time we admit that we are not wise as we see ourselves. Trying to apply mortal thoughts to spiritual things just breeds more confusion. We have not even unravel the mystery behind the human body and yet we think we can unravel the mystery of creation.

Icaretoo:


For the sake of his sorrowfully passion.. HAVE MERCY ON US AND ON THE WHOLE WORLD

We really need divine mercy.

lekkie073:
oh I see....since u r already a patient in 'yaba left', why not ask d psychiatric doctor on duty to give u ur daily dose of whatever-it-is-dat-makes-u-feel-like-a-normal-human-being

grow up b!tch!!

Nmeri17:
my brother it's you and your family that will die very soon o! you hear?

calm down bro...no d as d guy mean

Nmeri17:
my brother it's you and your family that will die very soon o! you hear?

hahahahahahaa. guy dey fear death. no worry,e no matter whether na 100years u go live,u go still die. if you take the years u don already live, commot from 100yrs, how many years remain for you? my point is hold up your chastisement ,when you die, sit on your throne and summons God to explain to your Masjesty why He is so stupid. save your repremands for Yahweh the Stupid God.

analice107:

I don't expect u to understand, you are a Muslim. We are not talking about my rapist father.u would have understood.

lol what now brings Muhammad(SAW) into this.If you have nothing to say then simply SHUT UP.you're making your fellow less dumb xtians loose faith with your stupid answers.

Teempakguy:
er . . . No.

I was actually in the process of trying to gather evidence to dispute his claims. When I bumped into lot's amazing story. You only find stories like that on dofantasy website.

that's the bible,Islam's different.

crusadistic:

lol what now brings Muhammad(SAW) into this.If you have nothing to say then simply SHUT UP.you're making your fellow less dumb xtians loose faith with your stupid answers.

if my answers were silly, you wouldnt have bothered. You are bothered because am right. Now move along, go get alife.

ojay72:
when information are passed down to generations, so many vital points are diluted and hence the whole picture is tampered with and hence becomes confusing. that is why we should live by faith and not by sight because the world is filled with dark clouds and pollutions(spiritually and otherwise). Asking too many questions is as a result of the effect from the fruit Adam and Eve ate and passed down to all generations. when you don't get answers, you turn to paganism and when you get confusing answers, you become a complete sinner. but the search for answers shouldn't be our focus. our focus should be on the word of God. trust the Creator.



Lastly, God will never come down to every generation to explain the beginning but I bet you, that on the last day, we shall get all our answers from Him. and if there is no last day... then I will still be glad I believed in God and allowed him shape my life to be better.



I LOVE YOU GOD. I ALWAYS WILL.


THANK YOU FOR YOUR MERCIES AND BLESSINGS AND PATIENCE.

You sef are doubting God at the bolded. Why did you say 'if there is no last day?"

analice107:


What can I say to you wise one, but this?

1Corinthians 1:25 The foolishness of God is wiser than men's, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's.
Chapter 2:14 But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
SO, WISE ONE. this is where I sign off on you.
Wait!!!. Before I go. Just know this anyways. You will still stand judgement before this my very foolish God someday soon. And, you don't need to believe it. But you will.

i am happy you know ur god is foolish. but i would have agreed if you have said that ur all knowing god is wiser than you and not every human being, because at least we still heard about some other god that make sense than ur god. just imaging all knowing and all powerful man so dump to the extent that Satan you people claimed your god created later destroy all his work. if your god happen to be human being he deserve to be in maximum prison for negligence

OgundeleT:

i am happy you know ur god is foolish. but i would have agreed if you have said that ur all knowing god is wiser than you and not every human being, because at least we still heard about some other god that make sense than ur god. just imaging all knowing and all powerful man so dump to the extent that Satan you people claimed your god created later destroy all his work. if your god happen to be human being he deserve to be in maximum prison for negligence

that's alright wise one. Go ahead and summons Him to answer to you his foolishness. i dont fight God's war. goodluck in judging God guilty. where will you comdemn Him too?

tete7000:


I don't have your time. Believe whatever suits you. Its part of your choice, your free choice borne out of your freewill.

My standpoint is a result of education & critical thinking. Both enemies of religion, and for obvious reasons. The only way a person can believe these fables is if they have suspended all rational thought, lack basic understandings of the human mind, and/or have been brainwashed via fear of hellfire & eternal damnation. Ignorant 1st century men wrote these stories and that's exactly why they make no sense. For someone to point that out is not mere "belief because it suits them". It's the clear result of critical thinking.

I don't see why any person would refuse to apply a critical eye to the beliefs they are choosing to dedicate their entire lives to. Do you even care if what you believe is true? Or have you already invested so much emotion that it's accuracy takes a backseat to the emotional comfort it grants you?

analice107:

No one can make you believe anything. The facts will be stated before you, the choice to believe is solely yours.
What is Atheism. Atheism is refusing to believe there's a supreme being. Or the unbelieve in the supernatural, hence; the believe in one's self.
Adam started the believe in self. Rejected God's rule over him.

Super idiotic assertions here.