johnydon22:


Honestly this is so petty for a defence, more like pleading!!!

analice107:

On point dear.
These things are indeed foolishness to them, but may God save them.

johnydon22:

Honestly this is so petty for a defence, more like pleading!!!

analice107:

See how good you are as the Devil's advocate, meanwhile you don't believe the devil exists.
When I say it over and over that atheists are Satanists, those who don't understand disbelieve.
Stand firm darling, defend Satan, when you stand before the Judgement seat, Satan will be your advocate. Hahahahaha.

Tjayjosh:

My dear sis, if a person is not willing to accept God’s existence by faith, then he/she is definitely not ready to accept Jesus Christ as Savior by faith. The
Bible teaches that God’s existence is clearly seen in the universe, in nature, and in our own hearts With all that said, the existence of God cannot be proven literally or scientifically; it must be accepted by
faith. At the same time, it takes just as
much faith to believe in atheism. To make the statement "God does not exist" is to make a claim of knowing absolutely
everything there is to know about everything and of having been everywhere in the universe and having witnessed everything
there is to be seen. Of course, no atheist would make these claims. Atheists cannot prove that God does not exist, for example, the solar system, their satellites and an immense number of minor plannets, comets and meteoroids. Since those places are beyond our capacity to observe, it cannot be proven that God does not exist. It takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be a christian. Abraham lincoln admited when he was asked about the existence of God; he said, it is hard to believe in a God that you cannot see, but it is harder not to believe. So you see, the bible is correct when it says; The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God (Psalms 14:1 KJV).

cloudgoddess:

More deluded brainwashed nonsense. If you have nothing productive to bring to the discussion then I advise just sitting down. Because you're only proving my point further.

Satan is not merely an imagined scapegoat of human wrongdoing, but a real individual that controls people. Atheists are Satanists, even though by definition they lack belief in supernatural entities. And despite there being nothing other than magma and iron under the earth's crust, hell exists SOMEWHERE, and everyone who doesn't believe in your particular Jewish God who was forced into your ancestors by white colonists, is going there.

All incredibly outrageous claims, which you have provided zero valid evidence for. You rely solely on circular reasoning: "The bible is true because I know it's true and therefore God and Satan are real and if you don't believe it you're foolish and a Satan worshiper and going to hell! I win, you lose!"

Yeah, that's not how adult arguments work. No sensible person will take you seriously if that's all you've got. Anyone can shout baseless assumptions from a religious text. Doesn't make them true, doesn't make them valid, all it does is expose you as an indoctrinated religious zealot incapable of actual rational discussion.

cloudgoddess:

So how about the Hindus who worship Krishna by faith? Or the Muslims that take Allah by faith? The Shintos & Jains with their multiple gods who are nothing like Yahweh? They're using faith too, no evidence required so they must all be correct according to this logic!

That's what happens when you take reasoning & evidence out of the picture. Everyone gets to come up with their own "truth" Precisely why there are over 4,000 religions, with over 100,000 denominations within them, who all think they have the correct "truth". What else would you expect with such an empty method of coming to conclusions?

Tjayjosh:

Good question. Trying to know this things will help us to understand God better. It is a real predicament if people try to understand scriptures only literally. Let us examine what the scripture says. And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good (Genesis 1:31 KJV). From the beginning man knew what was good, he was in goodness. He was created wonderfully, with a fully functional brain, and the ability to make choices. Adam and eve already knew, interlectually the difference between good and evil. God said, i made you like me, to function like me Genesis 1:26. Speaking to an intelligent being, God said; Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat. Take everything, i give them to you. But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17 KJV). The correlation between the knowledge of good and evil is the case study here. Man knew what was good already, the natural choice of something would be the knowledge of evil. If you eat this fruit you will know evil, it will take you outside the parameters which i designed for you. You will not only know evil, you will experience it. If you don't, you will know good continuously. The choice is yours to make.

Michael820:
thank you so much for that explanation, so the "know" means experience not understand,

cloudgoddess:

So how about the Hindus who worship Krishna by faith? Or the Muslims that take Allah by faith? The Shintos & Jains with their multiple gods who are nothing like Yahweh? They're using faith too, no evidence required so they must all be correct according to this logic!

That's what happens when you take reasoning & evidence out of the picture. Everyone gets to come up with their own "truth" Precisely why there are over 4,000 religions, with over 100,000 denominations within them, who all think they have the correct "truth". What else would you expect with such an empty method of coming to conclusions?

Tjayjosh:
@Op. The bible says, God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth (Genesis 1:27-28 KJV). And then here God commanded the man saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: "But of the three of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Genesis 2:16-17). God gave man everything, and wanted something back in return. Let me brake this down. God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden to give Adam and Eve a choice to obey Him or disobey Him. Adam and Eve were free to do anything they wanted, except eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If God had not given Adam and Eve the choice, they would have essentially been robots, simply doing what they were programmed to do. God created
Adam and Eve to be free beings, able to make decisions, able to choose between good and evil. In order for Adam and
Eve to truly be free, they had to have a choice. Hear this, the bible let us to know that God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. With all this power, knowledge and versatility that God posseses. He cannot control you or alter your freewill. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a. symbol. God said, "if ye love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15). That tree was the only way God could get love back from the man He loved and gave everything.

Nmeri17:
nothing much jore. If you don't mind, I'm curious about your opinion concerning the OP though since you're like the most intelligible christian I've seen on here.

PS: please don't disappoint

Ranchhoddas:
If I hear...that guy no sabi anything.

Chukzyfcb:

This is like asking if you know what I'm thinking. No-one can predict exactly what you are thinking except thru prophesy.

Seelurd:


Are you saying God did not know what Adam was thinking? .just give me a straight answer.

Chukzyfcb:

Humans were given the ability to make choices. We are not robots , or like a science Invention under a Remote control. We were created in an Image & likeness of God. So we share similar characteristics :-). #we are not clones

booqee:
I keep wondering why did God even create the tree of life in the garden of Eden in the first place if He didn't want man to sin..

Some say its intentional... if it is, why was He so displeased to the extent of placing a curse on them...

He created us as man.. not as gods or heavenly creatures.. so of course he was easy and prone to falling for temptation.. so I assumed He knew from the start while creating him, that man would fall by eating the forbidden fruit...

so why bother creating it and then cursing man when it is believed He knew he would fall.. (that's the part that makes it look unfair) .. its similar to setting a concealed trap right in front of us..


I'm confused honestly ..

contributions are welcome

themosthigh:
Because jehovah is a wicked being who is looking for reasons to punish man and not blame himself...that is why he came down to earth to claim that he died for our sins out of his love for us only to wake up in three days,return back to heaven and claim he can now punish man in ethernal fire if we refuse to believe he died for our sins.....he gives us no evidence and punish us for saying it us a lie....he is worst than the devil and i will march out against him on armagadon carrying the black flag of lucifer...we will finally defeat him and lock him up in the bottomless pit which he created for his beloved creation...we almost did it during the tym.of the fallen angels and later when we where lead by the prince of persia to defeat all his angels and prevent daniels prayer from reaching God and we will succeed this tym around and end his reign of tyranny..

johnydon22:

Only a lie would shy away from scrutiny. . . Nothing deserves to be shielded from scrutiny and this cowardly way of dodging a question is absurd

Chinexbagar:
That is why some things are mystery,but when you live your life and die and see god you should ask him the question

Chinexbagar:
That is why some things are mystery,but when you live your life and die and see god you should ask him the question

hungryboy:
That Thing dey confuse me too,
E just dey like say, God dig hole for all of us to fall inside,
Each man suppose carry him own cross nah,
Why should we all be suffering for what Adam did in the garden of Eden?,
Why should all mankind be suffering because of One Man's disobedience?,

booqee:
I keep wondering why did God even create the tree of life in the garden of Eden in the first place if He didn't want man to sin..

Some say its intentional... if it is, why was He so displeased to the extent of placing a curse on them...

He created us as man.. not as gods or heavenly creatures.. so of course he was easy and prone to falling for temptation.. so I assumed He knew from the start while creating him, that man would fall by eating the forbidden fruit...

so why bother creating it and then cursing man when it is believed He knew he would fall.. (that's the part that makes it look unfair) .. its similar to setting a concealed trap right in front of us..


I'm confused honestly ..

contributions are welcome