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Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Nobody: 3:00pm On Jun 06, 2016

ay4shizzy:
he said new. Testament..r

either old or new, it doesn't matter where it came frm, cos the whole bible is life.

Don't try to corner me, and read those scriptures.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Nobody: 3:05pm On Jun 06, 2016

Siberia101:
Nwanne Stop this trash jobless fellow..

I work with a health firm owned by a Yoruba and I see nothing wrong with. Only hungry fellows like you will kill yourselves over tribalism

The forum you are using here is owned by a yoruba

much respect for you sir.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by ottersberger(m): 3:05pm On Jun 06, 2016

herbie27:
I don't discuss men of God and their policies.

To you 1m is too big to give as tithe or sacrifice bt God is too big for that, and those who understand kingdom giving, can give their last penny.

Maga Alert!

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Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by poyet(m): 3:10pm On Jun 06, 2016

I prefer to be deceived in this manner than to be deceived into killing people in the name of religion!

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Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Nobody: 3:17pm On Jun 06, 2016

herbie27:
I don't discuss men of God and their policies.

To you 1m is too big to give as tithe or sacrifice bt God is too big for that, and those who understand kingdom giving, can give their last penny.

kingdom giving abi?

it is well.

the money you are donating to your pastor would serve humanity better if you gave it directly to help the poor, homeless and needy.

heck, your pastor already owns a private jet, what else does he want my full salary for now?

remember Jesus did not say he will judge you according to how much you gave the church.

what he said was, "when I was hungry you gave me food, when I was thirsty, drink, you sheltered me when I was homeless and clothed me when I was n@ked..."

don't let any pastor sell salvation to you, salvation is free. or so I thought.

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Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by rexbuton: 3:18pm On Jun 06, 2016

wirinet:
Telling a religious Jewish man that you can give his God money or material things like gold and silver is tantamount to blasphemy. All instances of tithes in the old testament refers to agricultural products which is kept in the temple store for feeding of the priests and congregation. The only instance where tithes was allowed to be converted to cash was where the distance from the temple is too far, the tither was allowed to sell the tithe and use the Money to eat and drink.

No where in all your examples did it state that money or anything was given to God, or that God collected anything from anybody.

You just quote verses and try and bend the meaning to suit your tithe doctrine. For example, prov 3,9

Where in these verses did it say you are giving money or material things to God. The verses was obviously referring to grapes that is used for making wines and probably wheat and other fruits. Honour the lord is not the same thing as giving to God.

Now look at verses 13 and 14 of the same proverbs;

Does this signify that you can give god money, cars, houses and other material things?

I normally don't respond to posts like this.
The relationship you tried to paint in your last point doesn't apply. It doesn't even relate
You have misconstrued the essential point in this debate, we are not arguing what should be given BUT if there should be giving at all and how much. The stuff you listed up there can all be monetized which would have been inappropriate and cumbersome in OT times considering that the Hebrew society was agrarian and the offering were often intended to feed the Levites and as burnt offering (because God enjoyed it)

Exodus 25:1-9
25:1 The Lord spoke to Moses: 25:2 “Tell the Israelites to
take an offering for me; from every person whose heart
makes him willing you are to receive my offering. 25:3 This
is the offering you are to receive from them: gold, silver,
bronze, 25:4 blue, purple, scarlet, fine linen, goat’s hair,
25:5 ram skins dyed red, fine leather, acacia wood, 25:6 oil
for the light, spices for the anointing oil and for fragrant
incense, 25:7 onyx stones, and other gems to be set in the
ephod and in the breastpiece. 25:8 Let them make for me a
sanctuary, that I may live among them. 25:9 According to
all that I am showing you—the pattern of the tabernacle
and the pattern of all its furnishings—you must make it
exactly so.

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Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by ManTiger(m): 3:20pm On Jun 06, 2016

I be christian o but i'm not in support of this.

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Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by KissCODE(m): 3:30pm On Jun 06, 2016

allthingsgood:
And some dolakpos will rush to dash out their meagre salaries. Mumu oshi

well bros.
I am not defending Redeem her i am not one of them, but i have been around penticostal church all my life ( i don cross 30).
I discovered that those who complain “most“ about giving are poor people & they always remain in same condition all year round.
I have discovered that those who give “more“ testify more of more blessings. (My own experience).
I have discovered that those that give without “complain“ always come back with more to give. (my experience)
I have discovered that those in church who do not sow or give never go far in every area of live. They remain at same level with the same attitude.
I have discovered that instead of being in a church and criticiz them, you better leave that church and go to the one that you wont critisiz or stop going to church entirly.

Bros no one that gives is a mumu.
I am a living testimony of what giving to God through supporting his Pastors & Priests can do.
God does not owe any man. He gives back.

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Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by bluecircle470: 3:30pm On Jun 06, 2016

End time!

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Emperor4God(m): 3:40pm On Jun 06, 2016

I have always said it that Adeboye is a scam.

RCCG is a scammers paradise.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by naijaboiy: 3:45pm On Jun 06, 2016

plaetton:
Indeed.
It's like the delusion of money ritual, but with a religious twist.

[color=#1980BC]Exactly![/color]

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by naijaboiy: 3:46pm On Jun 06, 2016

KissCODE:
[s]well bros.
I am not defending Redeem her i am not one of them, but i have been around penticostal church all my life ( i don cross 30).
I discovered that those who complain “most“ about giving are poor people & they always remain in same condition all year round.
I have discovered that those who give “more“ testify more of more blessings. (My own experience).
I have discovered that those that give without “complain“ always come back with more to give. (my experience)
I have discovered that those in church who do not sow or give never go far in every area of live. They remain at same level with the same attitude.
I have discovered that instead of being in a church and criticiz them, you better leave that church and go to the one that you wont critisiz or stop going to church entirly.

Bros no one that gives is a mumu.
I am a living testimony of what giving to God through supporting his Pastors & Priests can do.
God does not owe any man. He gives back.[/s]

[color=#1980BC]Bucket load of crap! [/color]

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Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by allthingsgood: 3:47pm On Jun 06, 2016

KissCODE:
well bros.
I am not defending Redeem her i am not one of them, but i have been around penticostal church all my life ( i don cross 30).
I discovered that those who complain “most“ about giving are poor people & they always remain in same condition all year round.
I have discovered that those who give “more“ testify more of more blessings. (My own experience).
I have discovered that those that give without “complain“ always come back with more to give. (my experience)
I have discovered that those in church who do not sow or give never go far in every area of live. They remain at same level with the same attitude.
I have discovered that instead of being in a church and criticiz them, you better leave that church and go to the one that you wont critisiz or stop going to church entirly.

Bros no one that gives is a mumu.
I am a living testimony of what giving to God through supporting his Pastors & Priests can do.
God does not owe any man. He gives back.

Lol I see say dem don load u enough horseshit wrapped like amala grin

Lmao

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Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Onegai(f): 3:49pm On Jun 06, 2016

rexbuton:
I don't understand most comments above mine at all...
I am a Nigerian, I earn salary, I pay tax outside and when I put in naija account, naija govt removes theirs too. is that fair?

I go to church, I give offering and tithe because I feel God is blessing me. I give with the intention that I'm giving to God, so what is my business if the pastor diverts or steals it? he hasn't robbed me, he has robbed God. God will still bless me because he sees my heart that I've given him something because I wanted to , and not because I want people to know I have small cash like that. If anyone genuinely feels bad about giving too much in church, that means he doesn't believe in God. or he is giving the pastor.

So we should stop acting childish and talking about increasing taxation, because the tax and VAT collected is being wasted away on paying senators and on meaningless trips with huge personal detail.

I agree with you but my issue here is that we are being told to give in order to receive God's blessings, that the more you give, the more you are blessed. And that is not true: the widow have little and God loves it more than the lavish public gifts of the Pharisees. Prosperity gospel teaches that Heaven's blessings start on Earth with material things and in order to attain more, you need to spend more (give more money) to the church. So you give a million Naira and expect a huge blessing in return: is our Lord's blessings something to be bought?

The New Testament tells us that God doesn't want our burnt offerings as sacrifice but our souls. He doesn't our gifts, He wants our ultimate thing we own: ourselves.

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Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by naijaboiy: 3:55pm On Jun 06, 2016

allthingsgood:
S

Lol I see say dem don load u enough horseshit wrapped like amala

Lmao

[color=#1980BC]Asin ehn! He come dey feed us make we chop. [/color]

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Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Nobody: 4:05pm On Jun 06, 2016

DerKaiser:
counter his argument and stop being emotional.

Stop threatening people with bible quotes that you do not understand. You are not God.

You cannot be more christian than the Catholic Church which is the true ordained Church of God.

You mushroom Pentecostal Churches have become the demise and mockery of Christianity and have tainted its name with your greed and evil.

I mean look at the nonsense list above. Aren't you people ever ashamed to defend such nonsense and ridiculousness?

Honestly I hope all these Pentecostal Churches would completely cease to exist so that Christianity can return to its rightful path of Salvation and not this rubbish called prosperity with which they defraud their deluded members.

In my first or last comments, i jst can't find where i was emotional.

Secondly, i didn't threaten him bt gave him a scriptures, so he and his likes(you) will stop accusing the church. I'm not God and can't be God grin

you must be something else to suggest dat.

Now lastly, give me a scripture that says, catholics are the only true christians. Don't be a religious dogma.

Thanks.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by iamclime(m): 4:06pm On Jun 06, 2016

herbie27:
Will gladly help you cos you asked politely, and hope u read these scriptures with understanding.

Malachi 3:10-12

Proverbs 3:9&10.

Nehemiah 10:38&39.

These are the once i know.

And which of these Bible books you mentioned are found in the NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE, as requested by the op?

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by pho27(f): 4:07pm On Jun 06, 2016

Ikwokrikwo:
I pity for any Igbo getting scammed by these Yoruba churches.

When will u get exposed timid boy, being tribalistic won't take u anywhere. Remember we are in the 21st century so i expect u to behave better. I'm not in anyway Yoruba but i hate tribalistic comments like urs. What are u doing on nairaland if i may ask cos it's owned by a Yoruba man.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Nobody: 4:12pm On Jun 06, 2016

iamclime:
And which of these Bible books you mentioned are found in the NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE, as requested by the op?

I'm sorry!, the last time i checked the bible remains bible, and if i didn't mention the scriptures in the new testament still doesn't mean the old testament is a hoax.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Nobody: 4:15pm On Jun 06, 2016

ottersberger:
Maga Alert!

You aren't worth my comment.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by DeleSuper1: 4:18pm On Jun 06, 2016

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by dubbiskelly(m): 4:33pm On Jun 06, 2016

"My people perish for lack for knowledge" that is why religious leaders/businessmen will continue to exploit people. They emotionally blackmail people into believing that they are sinking by not giving even if it means at a great inconvenience to themselves even when the scripture stated that "my yoke is not heavy". I am not against giving when it really comes from the heart and out of love for God like solomon, but I have an axe to grind with folks who have turned the Almighty into a money doubler.

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Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by dorox(m): 4:39pm On Jun 06, 2016

bbjummy:
Excuse me, I don't recall mentioning you. Or are you now the OP? B*sy body

Eradicating stupìdity is a communal effort, it is not busy body.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Nobody: 4:41pm On Jun 06, 2016

Kennedyiheme:
how has it helped you as a nigeria? do you currently have light in your house? Do you have gas? Do you have water? Maybe u live in a different country...we pay more tithe than Americans bt they are better off....please use your sense...don't go and pack your life savings and give your pastor, nigeria would have been a better place if not for religion...if we had half of churches and research instutes and production firms, our economy would have being better off.....in summary religious houses are a waste of space..

"When ppl don't knw the purpose of a thing abuse is inevitable". Mind you, an American christian who knws what sacrifice is, sacrifices an amount that equates a state budget in Nigeria.

As i'm chatting wit u, i have PHCN light in my Area and once is been cut-off we make use of generator.

Every month or two we buy our cooking gas, every citizen in Nigeria provides gas for its' family usage and not the government...seems u're in a different world entirely.

We have water as well, infact! The community i'm have free borehole all over it......so isn't God faithful.

For the fact that i'm alive is enough reason to give him anything.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Nobody: 4:44pm On Jun 06, 2016

plaetton:
Shut up.
Fraud and financial ra.pe is everyone's business to address and judge.

As for your scriptures, do I need to take any magic mushrooms to understand it ?

Besides, I am not a consumer of Middle East Stone Age bullshytes.

I'm so hurt right now. cheesy

was expecting worse.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by frubben(m): 4:52pm On Jun 06, 2016

GlorifiedTunde:
Is the G.O aware of this?

Some pastors take laws into their hands at times

Bro the G O is fully aware of it, people have nt really see d G O for who he is, he is just using is humbleness to deceive people

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Nobody: 4:53pm On Jun 06, 2016

plaetton:
Silly threat from an atrophied brain.

This is the type of threat helps you pick the pockets of the masses.

Men of Guile should always be exposed for what they are.

BTW, are you arguing the FACT that Redeem exists for the sole purpose of Fraud?

Can you report that i threatened you?, there is a difference between being educated and having common sense.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Nobody: 4:57pm On Jun 06, 2016

KissCODE:
well bros.
I am not defending Redeem her i am not one of them, but i have been around penticostal church all my life ( i don cross 30).
I discovered that those who complain “most“ about giving are poor people & they always remain in same condition all year round.
I have discovered that those who give “more“ testify more of more blessings. (My own experience).
I have discovered that those that give without “complain“ always come back with more to give. (my experience)
I have discovered that those in church who do not sow or give never go far in every area of live. They remain at same level with the same attitude.
I have discovered that instead of being in a church and criticiz them, you better leave that church and go to the one that you wont critisiz or stop going to church entirly.

Bros no one that gives is a mumu.
I am a living testimony of what giving to God through supporting his Pastors & Priests can do.
God does not owe any man. He gives back.

Well said.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by plaetton: 4:57pm On Jun 06, 2016

herbie27:
Can you report that i threatened you?, there is a difference between being educated and having common sense.

Being educated on lethal mythologies, I guess?

What's new about your stone age myths?

I am already allergic to stone age bullshytes, and I loathe charlatans who defraud others with stone age poisons.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by ottersberger(m): 5:07pm On Jun 06, 2016

herbie27:
You aren't worth my comment.

You're definitely worth much less of mine.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Nobody: 5:08pm On Jun 06, 2016

plaetton:
Being educated on lethal mythologies, I guess?

What's new about your stone age myths?

I am already allergic to stone age bullshytes, and I loathe charlatans who defraud others with stone age poisons.

Plz!, can you go back to that my comment, and report i threatened ur life, cos i need the ban. cheesy

Next time, don't try making an attempt to impress me, it belittles your personality....between us two u ar actually the charlatan.

Re: See The Sacrifice Form RCCG Gave Members Asking For Houses, Cars, Lands & Money by Mujtahida: 5:12pm On Jun 06, 2016

Christianity is not the same as the Gospel. Church is not the same as Christ. Contrary to popular belief the contemporary churches exist not to nourish souls but to spiritually and materially rob people. All of them, the whole bunch of them. You will never be spiritually intelligent if you continue to stake your spiritual life on this cold, dead thing called church. It's all a fraud. Even if Christ were to come today guess who would crucify him: church, churches and church people!

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