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I think dolphinheart we all must agree on this one, you have set yourself up even more, you are more confused now, then you were before we had started this conversation, or any other conversations in this matter. You are trying to rearrange our words in all directions.
We are speaking in two different literature's here, I have been speaking to you about the Spirit, while you seem to think the Spirit of God is about speaking in the flesh.
You are even confusing me, you have everything I have written to you on this page twisted and upside down.
The bible isn't just written in black and white-it has a Spiritual side to it, and of course you haven't received the Spirit of God to even understand this side to the bible.
Your refusal to acknowledge the truth makes life difficult for us all to agree which part of the bible you do know.
Jesus said one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God. And of course you have refused to do such, so this leaves us having differences what is truth and what is not truth concerning the word of God.
And not only does the world know, but us Christians know, the JW's don't hold that truth.

dolphinheart:
continue to contradict yourself further, look at your own words again: "Every true believer knows without the spirit of God, [/b]you are nothing, Just a piece of flesh.[/b].
brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

its you that said : "Like I said if Paul never had the divine nature having the Spirit of God, then his flesh would end up in hell, like yours, [s]because you say no-one has the Spirit of God, nor His divine nature-then the disciples done nothing, they never laid their hands on the sick, nor did they baptise anybody in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.[/s]

and earlier you said: "If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.

you also said that god can kill body and soul in hell

you have so far given different and conflicting statements about which of these three (body, soul, spirit) goes to heLl when man dies!

three questions where asked, you ended up exposing yourself with one while refusing to answer the other two
1. a beg , which verse are you talking about?
2. solite3, says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?


I can't accept what? that only the spirit of man goes to hell?, even you have used your own words to proof such statement to be false. The scripture you quoted about the spirit tells you what happens to the spirit at death, yet you prefer to say it roams, it roams into into hell abi?
The most interesting part is that you refuse to tell us where the body and soul goes to when one dies?


once we clear the issue on what goes to hell and where spirit, body, soul goes at death, then we will go there!


well , I do know that the spirit what push you to lie , use defamatory tactics and commit forgery against others.

solite3:
Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
@ bold notice that been thrown into hell comes after been killed( death) this death affect only the earthly body.
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the [size=27] body, [/size] but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and [size=27] body [/size] in hell.
This verse reveals that hell affect both body and soul meaning those in hell will possess a body which shall be destroy continuously.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

@ red , Destroy - simple! the continuous lie though


- If I go back to the context, Notice that Jesus mentions " body " twice , as pointed out @ bold , with the exact same Greek word . now this tells you that whatever body u said they possess must fit the two places where body appears

@ red is an uncompleted statement , tell us which kind of body will they possess ?

johnw74:
No, then what is this? it's not a reply ? ummmm, anyone seen those men in white

and you have always replied before to posts about where you blasphemed God
but you just lie lying again of course





You lie lie dolphinheart proudly repeat the same lies in your every post:
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



The Apostle John shows that God and the Word is God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

You blaspheming dolphinheart not only reject the Bible, but blasphemed God and the Word calling Him "a two headed god":
Concerning God and the Word false jw dolphin said:



You dolphinheart is heap way big lie lie

presently you are on auto response
1. you could not post the full text of my post
2. you could not comment on "your god is two persons in one"
3. you could not show where you responded to my explanation on the scriptures you posted
4. on John 1:1, you could not respond to my post constructively when I talked about that verse, so why should I repeat myself!.
5. you could not do without modifying my words and giving it your own false explanations.

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

see what habitual lying does to you, you cannot say anything new now,
you can only repeat your same old lies over and over again

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

dolphinheart blasphemed God calling Him-God and the Word "a two headed god":



heap way big lie lie, your lies reaching up to Heaven

presently you are on auto response
there was nothing to reply to
1. you could not post the full text of my post
2. you could not comment on "your god is two persons in one"
3. you could not show where you responded to my explanation on the scriptures you posted
4. on John 1:1, you could not respond to my post constructively when I talked about that verse, so why should I repeat myself!.
5. you could not do without modifying my words and giving it your own false explanations.

brocab:
I think dolphinheart we all must agree on this one, you have set yourself up even more, you are more confused now, then you were before we had started this conversation, or any other conversations in this matter. You are trying to rearrange our words in all directions.

1. yet you could not show one instance or site one example of such confusion
2. I did ask you questions relating to your own words, you still refuse to answer! even you knows that your own words contradict each other!
3. IF my view on your words is wrong, you have refused to correct it, probably cus my views are right!

We are speaking in two different literature's here,

name them!

I have been speaking to you about the Spirit, [s]while you seem to think the Spirit of God is about speaking in the flesh[/s].

stop lying!
moreover , the issue is about what goes to hell when man dies!, soul, spirit, body, which one! and where does the rest go?
you say only spirit go to hell, your brother say soul and body can be destroyed in hell
as if this is not contradictory enough , you had earlier said
"If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven

to clear any misunderstandings about your own words and to give you a chance of explaining them I asked you the following questions
"For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3 says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?

this questions above have been avoided by you.

You are even confusing me, you have everything I have written to you on this page twisted and upside down.

you still have a chance to explain what you meant.
I've not even shown you what you said about soul and hell.

The bible isn't just written in black and white-it has a Spiritual side to it, and of course you haven't received the Spirit of God to even understand this side to the bible.
Your refusal to acknowledge the truth makes life difficult for us all to agree which part of the bible you do know.
Jesus said one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God. And of course you have refused to do such, so this leaves us having differences what is truth and what is not truth concerning the word of God.
And not only does the world know, but us Christians know, the JW's don't hold that truth.

brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

up till this moment, you have refused to tell us where the body and soul goes to when man dies!

myweb:
Not river valley but valley view....
BTW I like your work here, weldone

kk, thanks, believed it was formed out of olowo-ira cong right?

dolphinheart:
kk, thanks, believed it was formed out of olowo-ira cong right?

It was formed from Shangisha cong. like 5 years ago...

[quote author=Jozzy4 post=48209197]

@ red , Destroy - simple! the continuous lie though

I know you don't believe the bible.
Yes you are troubled by the thought of spending eternity in hell but my friend don't deny God's word.

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

- If I go back to the context, Notice that Jesus mentions " body " twice , as pointed out @ bold , with the exact same Greek word . now this tells you that whatever body u said they possess must fit the two places where body appears

@ red is an uncompleted statement ,[s] tell us which kind of body will they possess ?[/s]

yes those in hell will possess a body in hell
Body and soul go to hell
How many Greek word do you have for body?
So your excuse is lame!
@ stroke do you believe Jesus or not?

[quote author=solite3 post=48218058][/quote]do u understand what you are quoting sef.

Bobo, you don enter one chance .

firstly , you quote Mark 9:43 where hands and feet are said to be in hell , do you actually believe this body parts descend to hell instead of grave ?

^^

secondly, the body that Jesus is reffering to in Matthew 10:28 is actually this human body . note the words " those who kill the body " that clearly identify this human body as the one Jesus is talking about .

now tell me , do you belive this human body descend to hell instead of grave ?

[quote author=solite3post=48218058][/quote]do u understand what you are quoting sef.

Bobo, you don enter one chance .

firstly , you quote Mark 9:43-45 where hands and feet are said to be in hell , do you actually believe this body parts descend to hell instead of grave ?

^^

secondly, the body that Jesus is reffering to in Matthew 10:28 is actually this human body . note the words " those who kill the body " that clearly identify this human body as the one Jesus is talking about .

now tell me , do you belive this human body descend to hell instead of grave ?

Jozzy4:
do u understand what you are quoting sef.

Bobo, you don enter one chance .

firstly , you quote Mark 9:43-45 where hands and feet are said to be in hell , do you actually believe this body parts descend to hell instead of grave ?

^^

secondly, the body that Jesus is reffering to in Matthew 10:28 is actually this human body . note the words " those who kill the body " that clearly identify this human body as the one Jesus is talking about .

now tell me , do you belive this human body descend to hell instead of grave ?

Let me enlighten you a little bit
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
@ bold destroying both body and soul occurs after death
Luke 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Hey jozzy hell is real believe the bible

dolphinheart:
presently you are on auto response
1. you could not post the full text of my post
2. you could not comment on "your god is two persons in one"
3. you could not show where you responded to my explanation on the scriptures you posted
4. on John 1:1, you could not respond to my post constructively when I talked about that verse, so why should I repeat myself!.
5. you could not do without modifying my words and giving it your own false explanations.

lie lie dolphinheart

Jehovah's Witnesses LIE!

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dolphinheart:
presently you are on auto response
there was nothing to reply to
1. you could not post the full text of my post
2. you could not comment on "your god is two persons in one"
3. you could not show where you responded to my explanation on the scriptures you posted
4. on John 1:1, you could not respond to my post constructively when I talked about that verse, so why should I repeat myself!.
5. you could not do without modifying my words and giving it your own false explanations.

lie lie dolphinheart


It is OK to Lie for God?

Of course, Jehovah's Witnesses got this doctrine from the Catholics:

So ... a false statement knowingly made to one who has not a right to the truth will not be a lie. (Catholic Encyclopedia, IX, 471)
... we are ... under an obligation to keep secrets faithfully, and sometimes the easiest way of fulfilling that duty is to say what is false, or to tell a lie. (Catholic Encyclopedia, X, 195)
More doctrine Jehovah's Witnesses got from the Roman Catholics.

... the unbelieving ... and murderers ... and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire & brimstone ...Revelation 21:8

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It is OK to Lie for God, believe false jw's, and they sure do a lot of it,
and they sure do believe all the lies they have been taught

God who is the Truth says it is ok to lie, can you believe the delusions of these satans

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

false jw will not believe that verse because there elders have told them diffrently

see where false jw are going dolphin, to the Lake of Fire.

lie lie dolphinheart called God and the Word "a two headed god"

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
the Apostle John said that God and the Word is God

dolphinheart said that God-God and the Word is "a two headed god"

dolphinheart:

it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!.

solite3:
Let me enlighten you a little bit
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body , but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell .
@ bold destroying both body and soul occurs after death
Luke 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Hey jozzy hell is real believe the bible

your lack of understanding will have been exposed if you have tried answering the question I gave you


@ underlined... do you actually believe the body descend to hellfire and not the grave ?

more facts people should know about the jw sect:

[size=14]The Jehovah's Witnesses Org. say Jesus is Apollyon the Destroyer[/size]

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I can see 'you have refused to answer any part on this topic in your own words dolphinheart, is it to confusing for you?
I myself and I am sure many of us Christians are tried 'trying to show you verse after verse, scripture after scripture, Proving to you what the bible had said, I am sure we are fed up listening to you mocking the word of God, denying it's power, denying the Holy Spirit, denying God the Father, and most of all denying His Son Jesus.
Matter of fact, it is quite pointless trying to share with you the word of God, it is a senseless idea knowing at the beginning your heart is far far away from the truth who the Father and His Son Jesus is.
To be honest No one is interested in your rubbish talk, and what you have to say, dolphinheart-I have no dealt's but proven evidence you are A FALSE PROPHET.
{Luke 16:22-26} This scripture is so clear to our eye's and ear's-they both died and was buried.
{Usually when something die's it means dead, unless you JW's know otherwise} and strangely enough one dead person ended up in torment burning with fire, while the other dead ended up with Abraham. And of course they both ended up dead as the scriptures told us, they died and was buried-so come on Dolphinheart big mouth-answer this question how did they get to these places without their bodies being alive?
Once you have answered this question, then you must have the answers, with those who have the Spirit of God, will surely end up with God.
But with those people who have chosen not to have the Spirit of God. "Like you" will surely end up in torment, just like the verse say's in {Luke 16:22-26} describes it to be.
Its only common sense dolphinheart, where our Souls {Spirits} go after we die, everyone with common sense should know the answer-we live by choice.
So which is it dolphinheart are you willing to accept Christ into your life, becoming a born again Christian as the word tells us to be, and to live for eternity with Jesus our Lord God Almighty.
Or would you perfer to stay un-saved, and live only for your Father who aren't in Heaven.

dolphinheart:
1. yet you could not show one instance or site one example of such confusion
2. I did ask you questions relating to your own words, you still refuse to answer! even you knows that your own words contradict each other!
3. IF my view on your words is wrong, you have refused to correct it, probably cus my views are right!


name them!

stop lying!
moreover , the issue is about what goes to hell when man dies!, soul, spirit, body, which one! and where does the rest go?
you say only spirit go to hell, your brother say soul and body can be destroyed in hell
as if this is not contradictory enough , you had earlier said
"If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven

to clear any misunderstandings about your own words and to give you a chance of explaining them I asked you the following questions
"For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3 says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?

this questions above have been avoided by you.


you still have a chance to explain what you meant.
I've not even shown you what you said about soul and hell.


brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

up till this moment, you have refused to tell us where the body and soul goes to when man dies!

brocab:
I can see 'you have refused to answer any part on this topic in your own words dolphinheart, is it to confusing for you?
I myself and I am sure many of us Christians are tried 'trying to show you verse after verse, scripture after scripture, Proving to you what the bible had said, I am sure we are fed up listening to you mocking the word of God, denying it's power, denying the Holy Spirit, denying God the Father, and most of all denying His Son Jesus.

According to your level of understanding.

The truth is dolphinheart not only quote but he explains what he quote in relation to the subject . and if questions arise from his explanations he is ready to answer

You are just the exact opposite !!!

Matter of fact, it is quite pointless trying to share with you the word of God, it is a senseless idea knowing at the beginning your heart is far far away from the truth who the Father and His Son Jesus is.

Lol, how do u know the state of his heart ? Are you Jehovah the examiner of hearts ?

You are passing your boundary !!!

To be honest No one is interested in your rubbish talk, and what you have to say, dolphinheart-I have no dealt's but proven evidence you are A FALSE PROPHET.

I can see you are pained , @ underlined . sorry man

{Luke 16:22-26} This scripture is so clear to our eye's and ear's-they both died and was buried.
{Usually when something die's it means dead, unless you JW's know otherwise} and strangely enough one dead person ended up in torment burning with fire, while the other dead ended up with Abraham. And of course they both ended up dead as the scriptures told us, they died and was buried-so come on Dolphinheart big mouth-answer this question how did they get to these places without their bodies being alive?
Once you have answered this question, then you must have the answers, with those who have the Spirit of God, will surely end up with God.
But with those people who have chosen not to have the Spirit of God. "Like you" will surely end up in torment, just like the verse say's in {Luke 16:22-26} describes it to be.
Its only common sense dolphinheart, where our Souls {Spirits} go after we die, everyone with common sense should know the answer-we live by choice.
So which is it dolphinheart are you willing to accept Christ into your life, becoming a born again Christian as the word tells us to be, and to live for eternity with Jesus our Lord God Almighty.
Or would you perfer to stay un-saved, and live only for your Father who aren't in Heaven.

The question you should have asked is : , if we are to exhume the grave of the Richman won't we find his eyes and TONGUE in his mouth decomposing ?

How come he still have his tongue after the said death ?

Hahahahaha , I forgot its not a literal tongue its actually a SPIRITUAL TONGUE in a literal story . na wa for you

Than since you had decided to stick your nose in where it doesn't belong, then it must mean you haven't any confidence in you brother dolphinheart himself to answer such scriptures.
Your heart is telling you that dolphinheart can't answer these questions, because you know yourself 'neither can you.
The JW's believe only the 144000 will be with Christ while the rest of you good and bad ones will stay in your graves until judgement day.
Which leaves you with a question where does your souls {Spirits} go after you die and rest in your graves? If it was that easy as you believe it to be, then {Luke 16:22-26} wouldn't have any thought to it.
And Jesus wouldn't have mention the lake of fire, Hades, Sheol nor Hell the place of torment, and if I was to teach this to some other, it wouldn't stand on solid ground and the true foundation will fall and no-one could be saved in Christ.
This story is about {Luke 16:22-26} and the meaning of it, show's theirs more to life then just the grave, and since we all have a spirit soul, and it's our psychical nature that is made of flesh and blood, while our inter-spirit lives within us all, then after the flesh dies then our Spirit must live on. Either it go's back to God-or not, either way our spirit lives on.
It's only God that can destroy the body and soul. But if He destroys the body, then our soul of course lives on either in heaven as the scriptures tells us {Revelation the saints calls out to Jesus how long O Lord when will you take vengeance on those on earth} And who are the saint's?
Jesus spoke clearly about the torment and he spoke of paradise, He had made it clear for us to make a choice to decide whom we worship, and whom do we belong too. If this wasn't the case-then there wouldn't be religion, nor any cults like yours, who claim you know Christ and refuse to allow Him into your life's.
Charles Russell had rewritten your bible literature. only because he believed he was sent from God to do so.

Jozzy4:
According to your level of understanding.

The truth is dolphinheart not only quote but he explains what he quote in relation to the subject . and if questions arise from his explanations he is ready to answer

You are just the exact opposite !!!



Lol, how do u know the state of his heart ? Are you Jehovah the examiner of hearts ?

You are passing your boundary !!!



I can see you are pained , @ underlined . sorry man



The question you should have asked is : , if we are to exhume the grave of the Richman won't we find his eyes and TONGUE in his mouth decomposing ?

How come he still have his tongue after the said death ?

Hahahahaha , I forgot its not a literal tongue its actually a SPIRITUAL TONGUE in a literal story . na wa for you

brocab:
Than since you had decided to stick your nose in where it doesn't belong, then it must mean you haven't any confidence in you brother dolphinheart himself to answer such scriptures.
Your heart is telling you that dolphinheart can't answer these questions, because you know yourself 'neither can you.
The JW's believe only the 144000 will be with Christ while the rest of you good and bad ones will stay in your graves until judgement day.
Which leaves you with a question where does your souls {Spirits} go after you die and rest in your graves? If it was that easy as you believe it to be, then {Luke 16:22-26} wouldn't have any thought to it.
And Jesus wouldn't have mention the lake of fire, Hades, Sheol nor Hell the place of torment, and if I was to teach this to some other, it wouldn't stand on solid ground and the true foundation will fall and no-one could be saved in Christ.
This story is about {Luke 16:22-26} and the meaning of it, show's theirs more to life then just the grave, and since we all have a spirit soul, and it's our psychical nature that is made of flesh and blood, while our inter-spirit lives within us all, then after the flesh dies then our Spirit must live on. Either it go's back to God-or not, either way our spirit lives on.
It's only God that can destroy the body and soul. But if He destroys the body, then our soul of course lives on either in heaven as the scriptures tells us {Revelation the saints calls out to Jesus how long O Lord when will you take vengeance on those on earth} And who are the saint's?
Jesus spoke clearly about the torment and he spoke of paradise, He had made it clear for us to make a choice to decide whom we worship, and whom do we belong too. If this wasn't the case-then there wouldn't be religion, nor any cults like yours, who claim you know Christ and refuse to allow Him into your life's.
Charles Russell had rewritten your bible literature. only because he believed he was sent from God to do so.

You see, I didn't ask for a letter.

Prove that the rich man is a spirit or remain a Liar, prove ! Prove !

Do spirit drink water , talkess of having TONGUE

Give evidence not unsolicited letter ! and don't tell me its a Spiritual TONGUE

Jozzy4:
your lack of understanding will have been exposed if you have tried answering the question I gave you


@ underlined... do you actually believe the body descend to hellfire and not the grave ?

the bible is clear
In hell there are worms
Mark 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
You see jozzy there is worm in hell that feed on the bodies of sinners
I know you don't believe it is possible because you are just a carnal man trying to use your head to figure out things
Here is it
When a sinner dies his earthly bodies dies( biological death) but his spirit returns to God.
God cast him into hell with a body just like his earthly body.
Mark 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into

the fire that never shall be quenched:

note that those cast into hell will be having two feet just like their earthly body.
Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

brocab:
I can see 'you have refused to answer any part on this topic in your own words dolphinheart, is it to confusing for you?

like I said earlier and repeated several times, the issue at hand is identifying what goes to hell, is it the spirit or body or soul. Secondly there is a need to know where the rest go if the 3 mentioned dnt go to hell.
under these topic, you have made contradictory statements about what goes to hell, while vehementry refusing to state where the others mentioned go.
Once your statements are clear, you will know my view, let's clear the contradiction that is on ground first!
I believe in orderliness, your questions are formulated to try to create disorder in the issue at hand so that you can be shifting left and right.
Once we know where this three go, we can then move to what happens to them their!

I myself and I am sure many of us Christians are tried 'trying to show you verse after verse, scripture after scripture, Proving to you what the bible had said, I am sure we are fed up listening to you mocking the word of God, denying it's power, denying the Holy Spirit, denying God the Father, and most of all denying His Son Jesus.

1. Each scripture that you quoted has been examined, and once the result of such examination has been posted to you, you run away from it, for example you ones claim that the spirit of man roams, but once the scripture you quoted is being looked at, it was established that you lied, the scripture did not say the spirit roam , neither did it say the spirit goes to hell.
I gave this example above(though there are many) that what you try to show is different from what the scripture said.
2. you claim to be brothers, you claim to be christians who have tried to prove what the bible had said, yet you statements , proofs and claim are contradictory. you said only spirits go to hell, your brother says souls and body go to hell. I've asked you several times to explain this contradiction, but you refuse!
3. you could not show even once instance where I mocked the word of God or where I made a statement denying anything said above!, brocab when will this lying stop!

Matter of fact, it is quite pointless trying to share with you the word of God, it is a senseless idea knowing at the beginning your heart is far far away from the truth who the Father and His Son Jesus is.

always trying to change the topic!

To be honest No one is interested in your rubbish talk, and what you have to say, dolphinheart-I have no dealt's but proven evidence you are A FALSE PROPHET.

you are not interested in what I have to say, okay, no problem, but I'm interested to know how you will clear your contradictory statement, and how you will explain the difference between your beliefs and that of your brother.
plus note the issue of if Jesus is the father is still there o! will be discussed later after we have cleared this one.

{Luke 16:22-26} This scripture is so clear to our eye's and ear's-they both died and was buried.
{Usually when something die's it means dead, unless you JW's know otherwise} and strangely enough one dead person ended up in torment burning with fire, while the other dead ended up with Abraham. And of course they both ended up dead as the scriptures told us, they died and was buried-so come on Dolphinheart big mouth-answer this question how did they get to these places without their bodies being alive?

1. calling me names wunt help you.
2. The issue is where does the 3(soul, body and spirit) go after man dies and which of these 3 go to hell. that they(rich man and lazarus) died is not the issue , neither is it contended.
3. your question is not for me, customer I've not said that their bodies where alive, how can you ask me a question about something that I did not say.
You said only spirits go to hell, you also indicated that lazarus and the rich man where dead person(s). how come you now ask these question when you dnt believe that their bodies are alive in hell?
and if you want to use these to indicate that it's only spirit that goes to hell, then please tell , is solite3 wrong when he said soul and body goes to hell?

Once you have answered this question, then you must have the answers, with those who have the Spirit of God, will surely end up with God.

surely if you believe that only spirit goes to hell, then your brother who teaches otherwise is a liar and a fraud then! or is he also telling the truth!

But with those people who have chosen not to have the Spirit of God. "Like you" will surely end up in torment, just like the verse say's in {Luke 16:22-26} describes it to be.

since you are the one god had appointed to pass judgement on me, can you tell if it's soul, or body or spirit that will end up their, you sha want to believe something ends up in hell, but you dnt know which. or you know, but giving an answer will affect your false teachings about what happens their!

Its only common sense dolphinheart, where our Souls {Spirits} go after we die, everyone with common sense should know the answer-we live by choice.
So which is it dolphinheart are you willing to accept Christ into your life, becoming a born again Christian as the word tells us to be, and to live for eternity with Jesus our Lord God Almighty.
Or would you perfer to stay un-saved, and live only for your Father who aren't in Heaven.

kai!, you still could not tell where the soul and body goes after man dies! can you see yourself !

you say only spirit go to hell, your brother say soul and body can be destroyed in hell
as if this is not contradictory enough , you had earlier said
" If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven"

to clear any misunderstandings about your own words and to give you a chance of explaining them I asked you the following questions
" For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3 says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?
this questions above have been avoided by you.
you still have a chance to explain what you meant.
I've not even shown you what you said about soul and hell.
brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

Firstly lets clear up a few issues before we start. As we understand the soul and the Spirit are two primary immaterial aspects that scripture describes to humanity. It can be confusing to attempt to discern the precise differences between the two, The word Spirit refers only to the immaterial facet of humanity. Human beings have a spirit, but we are not spirits, However in Scripture only believers are said, to be spirituality alive {1 Corinthians 2:11, Hebrews 4:12, James 2:26} while unbelievers are spirituality dead {Ephesians 2:1-5, Colossians 2:13} In Paul's writing the spiritual was pivotal to the life of the believer {1 Corinthians 2:14, 3:1, Ephesians 1:3,5:19, Colossians 1:9, 3:16} The spirit is the element in humanity which gives us the ability to have a intimate relationship with God, When ever the word "Spirit" is used, it refers to the immaterial part of humanity that "connects" with God. Who Himself is Spirit {John 4:24}
The word "soul" can refer to both, the immaterial and material aspects of humanity, unlike human beings having a Spirit, human beings are souls in its most basic sense, the word "Soul means life" However beyond this essential meaning, the bible speaks of many souls in many contexts.
One of these is humanity's eagerness to sin {Luke 12:26} Humanity is naturally evil, and our souls are tainted as a result.
The life principle is removed at the time of physical death {Genesis 35:18, Jeremiah 15:2} The "Soul as with the Spirit" is the centre of many spiritual and emotional experiences {Job 30:25, Psalms 43:5, Jeremiah 13:17} Whenever the word "Soul" is used, it can refer to the hole person, whether "in life or in the after life".
The "Soul and the Spirit are connected" but separable {Hebrews 4:12} The Soul is the essence of humanity being, it is who we are. The "Spirit is an aspect of humanity that connects with God.
And for the body the flesh-that of course is common sense from dust we came and to dust we go.

dolphinheart:
like I said earlier and repeated several times, the issue at hand is identifying what goes to hell, is it the spirit or body or soul. Secondly there is a need to know where the rest go if the 3 mentioned dnt go to hell.
under these topic, you have made contradictory statements about what goes to hell, while vehementry refusing to state where the others mentioned go.
Once your statements are clear, you will know my view, let's clear the contradiction that is on ground first!
I believe in orderliness, your questions are formulated to try to create disorder in the issue at hand so that you can be shifting left and right.
Once we know where this three go, we can then move to what happens to them their!



1. Each scripture that you quoted has been examined, and once the result of such examination has been posted to you, you run away from it, for example you ones claim that the spirit of man roams, but once the scripture you quoted is being looked at, it was established that you lied, the scripture did not say the spirit roam , neither did it say the spirit goes to hell.
I gave this example above(though there are many) that what you try to show is different from what the scripture said.
2. you claim to be brothers, you claim to be christians who have tried to prove what the bible had said, yet you statements , proofs and claim are contradictory. you said only spirits go to hell, your brother says souls and body go to hell. I've asked you several times to explain this contradiction, but you refuse!
3. you could not show even once instance where I mocked the word of God or where I made a statement denying anything said above!, brocab when will this lying stop!


always trying to change the topic!

you are not interested in what I have to say, okay, no problem, but I'm interested to know how you will clear your contradictory statement, and how you will explain the difference between your beliefs and that of your brother.
plus note the issue of if Jesus is the father is still there o! will be discussed later after we have cleared this one.


1. calling me names wunt help you.
2. The issue is where does the 3(soul, body and spirit) go after man dies and which of these 3 go to hell. that they(rich man and lazarus) died is not the issue , neither is it contended.
3. your question is not for me, customer I've not said that their bodies where alive, how can you ask me a question about something that I did not say.
You said only spirits go to hell, you also indicated that lazarus and the rich man where dead person(s). how come you now ask these question when you dnt believe that their bodies are alive in hell?
and if you want to use these to indicate that it's only spirit that goes to hell, then please tell , is solite3 wrong when he said soul and body goes to hell?


surely if you believe that only spirit goes to hell, then your brother who teaches otherwise is a liar and a fraud then! or is he also telling the truth!

since you are the one god had appointed to pass judgement on me, can you tell if it's soul, or body or spirit that will end up their, you sha want to believe something ends up in hell, but you dnt know which. or you know, but giving an answer will affect your false teachings about what happens their!

kai!, you still could not tell where the soul and body goes after man dies! can you see yourself !

you say only spirit go to hell, your brother say soul and body can be destroyed in hell
as if this is not contradictory enough , you had earlier said
" If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven"

to clear any misunderstandings about your own words and to give you a chance of explaining them I asked you the following questions
" For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3 says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?
this questions above have been avoided by you.
you still have a chance to explain what you meant.
I've not even shown you what you said about soul and hell.
brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

dolphinheart:
like I said earlier and repeated several times, the issue at hand is identifying what goes to hell, is it the spirit or body or soul. Secondly there is a need to know where the rest go if the 3 mentioned dnt go to hell.
under these topic, you have made contradictory statements about what goes to hell, while vehementry refusing to state where the others mentioned go.
Once your statements are clear, you will know my view, let's clear the contradiction that is on ground first!
I believe in orderliness, your questions are formulated to try to create disorder in the issue at hand so that you can be shifting left and right.
Once we know where this three go, we can then move to what happens to them their!



1. Each scripture that you quoted has been examined, and once the result of such examination has been posted to you, you run away from it, for example you ones claim that the spirit of man roams, but once the scripture you quoted is being looked at, it was established that you lied, the scripture did not say the spirit roam , neither did it say the spirit goes to hell.
I gave this example above(though there are many) that what you try to show is different from what the scripture said.
2. you claim to be brothers, you claim to be christians who have tried to prove what the bible had said, yet you statements , proofs and claim are contradictory. you said only spirits go to hell, your brother says souls and body go to hell. I've asked you several times to explain this contradiction, but you refuse!
3. you could not show even once instance where I mocked the word of God or where I made a statement denying anything said above!, brocab when will this lying stop!


always trying to change the topic!

you are not interested in what I have to say, okay, no problem, but I'm interested to know how you will clear your contradictory statement, and how you will explain the difference between your beliefs and that of your brother.
plus note the issue of if Jesus is the father is still there o! will be discussed later after we have cleared this one.


1. calling me names wunt help you.
2. The issue is where does the 3(soul, body and spirit) go after man dies and which of these 3 go to hell. that they(rich man and lazarus) died is not the issue , neither is it contended.
3. your question is not for me, customer I've not said that their bodies where alive, how can you ask me a question about something that I did not say.
You said only spirits go to hell, you also indicated that lazarus and the rich man where dead person(s). how come you now ask these question when you dnt believe that their bodies are alive in hell?
and if you want to use these to indicate that it's only spirit that goes to hell, then please tell , is solite3 wrong when he said soul and body goes to hell?


surely if you believe that only spirit goes to hell, then your brother who teaches otherwise is a liar and a fraud then! or is he also telling the truth!

since you are the one god had appointed to pass judgement on me, can you tell if it's soul, or body or spirit that will end up their, you sha want to believe something ends up in hell, but you dnt know which. or you know, but giving an answer will affect your false teachings about what happens their!

kai!, you still could not tell where the soul and body goes after man dies! can you see yourself !

you say only spirit go to hell, your brother say soul and body can be destroyed in hell
as if this is not contradictory enough , you had earlier said
" If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven"

to clear any misunderstandings about your own words and to give you a chance of explaining them I asked you the following questions
" For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3 says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?
this questions above have been avoided by you.
you still have a chance to explain what you meant.
I've not even shown you what you said about soul and hell.
brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

dolphinheart pls show me where I said human earthly body go to hell?

He can't show you-only unless he twist and rewrites your page. Like he does it to mine.

solite3:
dolphinheart pls show me where I said human earthly body go to hell?

Strange after everything solite3 has explain to you over and over, you still can't seem to get your head around it, Solite3 had never said our earthly bodies enter into Hell fire. This information was written and signed by you. And without speaking out loud, this is the sort of rubbish you JW's have said all along.
Solite3 is a honest Christian, he has the mind of Christ, his mind can't think like yours, just by his pages us Christians know the word of God is planted inside this mans heart, and everything this man speaks is from the Lord who sent him, His words are not recognised by you, only because you don't understand the truth about Christ.
The truth is planted in this mans heart-John 74 is a good example they both couldn't think of such rubbish you JW's come up with.
Time and time again, we Christians have had serious patients with you unbelievers, you are worst then any of the atheist I have knowing, and in the Lord's eye's they are classed as cold-but you are classed as lukewarm, and the time is coming when the lord will spew you out of His mouth.
If you don't understand the way solite3 explains this to be, then think of it this way, before Jesus returned to heaven how did He drink and eat and spoke with His disciples after He was murdered up on the cross by you and your ancestors.
What kind of body did Jesus have, that allowed Him to sit at the right side of God without sin?
When God had told us clearly in the scriptures, "flesh and blood" will not enter into the kingdom of God.

Jozzy4:
your lack of understanding will have been exposed if you have tried answering the question I gave you


@ underlined... do you actually believe the body descend to hellfire and not the grave ?

solite3:
the bible is clear
In hell there are worms
Mark 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
You see jozzy there is worm in hell that feed on the bodies of sinners
I know you don't believe it is possible because you are just a carnal man trying to use your head to figure out things
Here is it
When a sinner dies his earthly bodies dies( biological death) but his spirit returns to God.
God cast him into hell with a body just like his earthly body.
Mark 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into note that those cast into hell will be having two feet just like their earthly body.
Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Hahaha, if u have comprehension issues , I don't

" its funny how someone will tell you this verse of the bible doesn't mean we should be cutting off our feet and hands , that Jesus while speaking was actually in parable , that this context should not be taken literally YET will still tell you the worm and hell in the same symbolic verse is literal , at that moment you begin to sense the highest form of hypocrisy ever seen "

Further, Mark 9:45 is saying cut it off, than having two feet to be cast into hell. KJV

You see, the person refuse to cut off his human feet and thus still HAVE two feet that will be cast into hell KJV. now honestly tell how many feet have u seen cast into hell ?

2) You are yet to answer me : what kind of body is been discussed in the context of Matt 10:28 ?

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brocab:
Strange after everything solite3 has explain to you over and over, you still can't seem to get your head around it, Solite3 had never said our earthly bodies enter into Hell fire. This information was written and signed by you. And without speaking out loud, this is the sort of rubbish you JW's have said all along.
Solite3 is a honest Christian, he has the mind of Christ, his mind can't think like yours, just by his pages us Christians know the word of God is planted inside this mans heart, and everything this man speaks is from the Lord who sent him, His words are not recognised by you, only because you don't understand the truth about Christ.
The truth is planted in this mans heart-John 74 is a good example they both couldn't think of such rubbish you JW's come up with.
Time and time again, we Christians have had serious patients with you unbelievers, you are worst then any of the atheist I have knowing, and in the Lord's eye's they are classed as cold-but you are classed as lukewarm, and the time is coming when the lord will spew you out of His mouth.
If you don't understand the way solite3 explains this to be, then think of it this way, before Jesus returned to heaven how did He drink and eat and spoke with His disciples after He was murdered up on the cross by you and your ancestors.
What kind of body did Jesus have, that allowed Him to sit at the right side of God without sin?
When God had told us clearly in the scriptures, "flesh and blood" will not enter into the kingdom of God

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What kind of body is mentioned in the context of Matthew 10:28 ?

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Jozzy4:
Hahaha, if u have comprehension issues , I don't

" its funny how someone will tell you this verse of the bible doesn't mean we should be cutting off our feet and hands , that Jesus while speaking was actually in parable , that this context should not be taken literally YET will still tell you the worm and hell in the same symbolic verse is literal , at that moment you begin to sense the highest form of hypocrisy ever seen "

Further, Mark 9:45 is saying cut it off, than having two feet to be cast into hell. KJV

You see, the person refuse to cut off his human feet and thus still HAVE two feet that will be cast into hell KJV. now honestly tell how many feet have u seen cast into hell ?

2) You are yet to answer me : what kind of body is been discussed in the context of Matt 10:28 ?

you don't have the spirit of God that is why failed to see beyond the letter.

@ brocab its pathetic hearing people without God's Spirit trying to sturdy bible from their head