Pidggin:


It seems you read too many witchcraft books, I am sure you are a cultist (no offense) please desist from occultism

Your god can prove his power on me to let you know that I was reading witchcraft books or not. It's a simple thing, he can just smote me with blindness(as they said that he smote Paul with blindness) to prove that I indeed read witchcraft books. Then I'll simply share testimonies and thousands will hear it and be converted.

I'm surprised at your response and I can either infere that you don't have the Holy spirit in you or the Holy spirit in you is a scam for you not knowing the truth whether I read witchcraft books or not.

Anyway, the truth is NO I don't read witchcraft books and if it's a lie, let your god prove his power. Almighty God is NOT IN RELIGION, I MAINTAIN.

winner01:
You'd need reason and logic to admit the limit of human reason, forgo pride and dismiss the notion that the material world is all there is and ever would be.

Imagination is greater than knowledge and hence limitless. That is why you are able to come out with your silly crab because of your limitless imagination.

Human reason and logic are not dormant and hence, they are not subject to any limitation. They keep evolving day after day, week after week, year after year, and century after century.

It is instead your God that claimed that he is unchangeable that is limited, full of pride, envy and jealous.

Faith is also very important in our daily lives, we have faith in people most times even before they prove themselves. You see, basically, reality has shown that before understanding something, you put faith in it that it can be understood. Before discovering reason, you have to put faith that reason is even a possibility. By rationalizing, you put faith that there is rationality. Faith is a vital part of humanity. Faith enables you to reach beyond that which seems beyond reach.

I agree with you.
Faith has to be put into something before it can be fully understood and achievable only if it is directed towards an event that can be adopted and conceived by nature. If it is not naturally based then it is an imagination that doesn't correspond with the laws of nature and it thence has to be eliminated out of its province and territorial boundaries.

It can be shifted into spiritual territory and no longer in universal geographical location. But the sad news is that none exist because the god concept is just another version of naturality. Spirituality is just another form of naturality. It is not necessarily a superset but the imaginary type that has not been unlocked by nature itself but unlocked by religionists.

We have to know the meaning of spirituality and likewise its basis.
It imply something that is not mundane, something that is intangible, opposed to the physical and something that is unseen.

Most scientific achievements shares these attributes but aren't considered to be spiritual but instead natural.

Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, Li-Fi, Infrared, internet, software, radio waves and electronic signals are example of things that exhibit those criterias.

They all have features that are kins to spirituality but are typical examples of natural simulated events.

Outside nature there is nothing like supernatural cuz every supernatural is still natural but just an imaginary upgraded type.

Like a pastor in the last thread I created said: You cant study the universe enough to reach beyond the universe in the same way, studying a car engine wont give you a clue as to who created the engine or why there is an engine in the first place. I dont believe anybody can change your heart, only God Himself can do that.
I strongly advise however that you channel your energy into searching for Whom this God really is in all sincerity instead of constantly fighting the unapologetic human nature to believe in God.
I believe when you do so in sincerity, God is merciful enough to reveal Himself to you in ways no man would ever understand.

There are some things that doesn't have a Creator and am doubting if you will accept with me.

They includes ME, man, animals, living things, non-living things, God and the universe. But out of all, only god is the imaginary one.

DeepSight:


May I ask you two little questions Sir.

1. Why do you require anyone to give you any reason to "go back to God"?

2. When you say that you are "giving" people the "chance" to convince you, what makes you think anyone should be so interested in your generous offer of such a wonderful chance?

Many thanks.

well, if you turn me over to god, ain't that a plus to your ranks in the "kingdom" ?

Do I need people to convince me? Yes. After all, the gospel was spread by people not by god himself/itself.

MutantMetahuman:
Okay my religious people in the house...



I have been an atheist for more than 7 years now after spending a big chunk of me life running from my shadow..


But I'm not close minded to the idea of god.. Please give me one good reason why you think I should go back to believing god.



Waiting...... No trolls please.

Go back if you know the god is there. Atheists cannot go back. Only future events can alter this path, verify one of the gods. Based on events in the past, the religious gods are make believe. So it's kinda funny for someone to seek reasons why he should return under the service of a make believe god.

It appears that you reject the god in your head rather than doubt it's existence. But I could be wrong.

otemanuduno:


If I have any interesting power of imagination, I would have been swimming in millions of dollars by now, writing films for the white men, but no, I don't. I write only what my god reveals to me, which is not for commercial purpose from me.

If you have seen the spiritual side of life which I saw, you would have realised the truth about the so-called Jewish Rabbi who did not actually exist in our own world. The only useful thing Eusebius, the founder of your religion in our own world did was to write down moral teachings known in the past to his write-ups so that humans could be moral. The rest are just events of the past world mixed with events of imaginations from him, ascribing them to a so-called Jesus who doesn't exist(written to look like Faulkin who died millions of years back in Sodom-Egypt).

You can't understand, except if you are destined to come out of religion.

He is a deist - irreligious

Ranchhoddas:
Anybody can survive anything. Surviving something and being cured of it are not the same thing. A stage IV cancer patient can go into remission but it does not mean that the person is cured... I also don't get why you are eager to involve words like pastor and church. I have not said any of these. Stop making assumptions. You seem desperate to discredit churches. I ask again, is stage IV cancer curable by any means that you know?

oh sorry I didn't know mosques and Muslim or Judaism also do faith healing. You don't have to feel offended by that you know..

Any which way, you cannot survive if I cut your head.. So anybody cannot survive anything.

I don't really have much knowledge of cancer. But everything I said stands.
No religious person can do the impossible even when their books tell them they can. (At least for now)
But the cancer thing can be a good test too.

Do you know someone that got cured of stage 4 cancer through some abracadra( no church or pastor mentioned ) like the mayowa Ahmed case


Can the person do it again ?

The only reason why you should go back to God is because you are not omniscience. And no matter how vast your knowledge about the universe is, It is very limited. Science has discovered a lot........but what it is yet to discover is far greater than what it has discovered. You surely can't rely on that.


Like I've always said, Man's knowledge is too limited, too little, for him to feel that his inability to prove that something or rather Someone exist, directly means that the person is inexistent.

You have nothing to loose for believing in God, it won't stop you from being wealthy (John D Rockefeller) or intelligent (Sir Isaac Newton) neither will it stop you from succeeding in life whatever area you choose,
But on the contrary you have everything to loose if you are wrong about theism. Fine as an atheist you can be wealthy, intelligent, and live life to the fullest as well.
But what is 70 or 100 years of enjoyment compared to an eternity of endurance and torment.

MutantMetahuman:
oh sorry I didn't know mosques and Muslim or Judaism also do faith healing. You don't have to feel offended by that you know..

Any which way, you cannot survive if I cut your head.. So anybody cannot survive anything.

I don't really have much knowledge of cancer. But everything I said stands.
No religious person can do the impossible even when their books tell them they can. (At least for now)
But the cancer thing can be a good test too.

Do you know someone that got cured of stage 4 cancer through some abracadra( no church or pastor mentioned ) like the mayowa Ahmed case


Can the person do it again ?

Do I have to know such a person? My overall point is that the 'occurences' of these events should give a true seeker pause. It should make the atheist or the skeptic(which I think I am) think. I consider atheism a rash albeit courageous position to assume. The absence of satisfactory or incontrovertible evidence should not be taken as proof of absence. I believe that doing this would amount to arrogance at best and dishonesty at worst.

You claim to have faith about panadol curing headache....Let me ask u What cures Hiv nd Aids? Which the doctors claim there is no cure yet...God makes Hiv nd Aids disappear with faith...Remain blessed

Ranchhoddas:
Do I have to know such a person? My overall point is that the 'occurences' of these events should give a true seeker pause. It should make the atheist or the skeptic(which I think I am) think. I consider atheism a rash albeit courageous position to assume. The absence of satisfactory or incontrovertible evidence should not be taken as proof of absence. I believe that doing this would amount to arrogance at best and dishonesty at worst.

well, may be it would when I see someone get prayed on and poof his stage 4 cancer disappeared.

Well, the rest about proof of absence yada yada yada has already been addressed.
That's when we talked about possibility and impossibilities.. Impossibility is also a proof of absence in a way.

Thanks for stopping by.

Perfect!

If people of this generation are meant to believe, they must see proof that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.

I'll be posting links to some videos. Relax.

MutantMetahuman:
faith comes when there is proof init?
People won't believe in Jesus if he didn't perform miracles right?

Please give me something to kick start this faith..

I have faith that panadol will cure head ache Cos I have seen it cure head ache before..

Now answer the question.

MutantMetahuman:
well, may be it would when I see someone get prayed on and poof his stage 4 cancer disappeared.

Well, the rest about proof of absence yada yada yada has already been addressed.
That's when we talked about possibility and impossibilities.. Impossibility is also a proof of absence in a way.

Thanks for stopping by.

...and you call religious people closed-minded?

MutantMetahuman:
Okay my religious people in the house...



I have been an atheist for more than 7 years now after spending a big chunk of me life running from my shadow..


But I'm not close minded to the idea of god.. Please give me one good reason why you think I should go back to believing god.

And please have in mind that you are trying to convince someone that applies or try really hard to apply logic or common knowledge to everything he does. So don't bring the faith mumbo jumbo..
I not gona have faith or believed that swallowing a stone would cure head ache unless the person proves it.

Thanks.

Waiting...... No trolls please.

why do you need a reason from anyone here?

MutantMetahuman:
thats why i said can the person do it again
That's the proof I needed but you seem not to understand.

It can happen again right?

Or god cannot perform such miracle again?

We have a lot of verifiable SS Christians faith filled christians around.

Let him do it again.. This time with proper documentations to eliminate doubts.


Or better still, the aged long quest.. Let pastor grow amputated legs back.. Then watch me return to God with the speed of light.

first you wanted reason... now you want healing/miracle?

MutantMetahuman:
if any impossible event occur, we need proof or it didn't happen.

is there any proof that you were conceived then given birth to and not a clone?

sonofthunder:

is there any proof that you were conceived then given birth to and not a clone?

nope.. I magically appear from no where now..

See question

sonofthunder:

first you wanted reason... now you want healing/miracle?

Fish Miracle is enough REASON for peter to follow Christ.
Learn to comprehend .

MutantMetahuman:
nope.. I magically appear from no where now..

See question



Fish Miracle is enough REASON for peter to follow Christ.
Learn to comprehend .

what about Nathaniel?

JohnAdeDavid:
You claim to have faith about panadol curing headache....Let me ask u What cures Hiv nd Aids? Which the doctors claim there is no cure yet...God makes Hiv nd Aids disappear with faith...Remain blessed

have u had hiv before?

Ranchhoddas:
...and you call religious people closed-minded?

an agnostic is also an atheist i hope u know?

sonofthunder:

is there any proof that you were conceived then given birth to and not a clone?

bro serzly..this question has an f9

MrMontella:

have u had hiv before?

Havent u heard of miracles even scientists could not give answer to cos they know within theirself that God exist...So let me ask u as an atheist, why did u say God doesn't exist?

JohnAdeDavid:
Havent u heard of miracles even scientists could not give answer to cos they know within theirself that God exist...So let me ask u as an atheist, why did u say God doesn't exist?

must u digress?
Have u had hiv before?

MrMontella:

must u digress?
Have u had hiv before?

No...nd answer my question....don't change the topic

MrMontella:
bro serzly..this question has an f9

why don't he give me proof

MrMontella:
an agnostic is also an atheist i hope u know?

No they are not.

Ranchhoddas:
No they are not.

I believe u know buddhism is an atheistic religion?

An agnostic is an atheist because he lacks the belief in the available gods

MrMontella:


I believe u know buddhism is an atheistic religion?

An agnostic is an atheist because he lacks the belief in the available gods

An agnostic is undecided on deities, an atheist denies their existence. How are they the same and what has Buddhism got to do with anything?

JohnAdeDavid:
No...nd answer my question....don't change the topic

do miracles that happen to irrelegious persons also spring from faith in god?



On my atheism..lol.
What is God?
Who is God?
One God or a race of creator God?
Thats my atheism(simplified)

sonofthunder:

what about Nathaniel?

what about him?

Ranchhoddas:
An agnostic is undecided on deities, an atheist denies their existence. How are they the same and what has Buddhism got to do with anything?

i ask again...
Does an agnostic acknowledge any of the existing deities as the creator?

Buddhism...is to show u that even ''atheism'' can exist in religion..
M relating it to what im telling u about agnostics..
A gnostic atheist denies the possibility of the existence of a creator god..
Bt an agnostic is not 100%

MrMontella:

do miracles that happen to irrelegious persons also spring from faith in god?



On my atheism..lol.
What is God?
Who is God?
One God or a race of creator God?
Thats my atheism(simplified)

Jesus Christ said I haven't come to destroy the sinners but to bring them to repentance...It is the Grace of God that keeps the unbelievers alive from sickness nd diseases that they will glorify the name of the Father in heaven...#Shalom

MrMontella:

i ask again...
Does an agnostic acknowledge any of the existing deities as the creator?

Buddhism...is to show u that even ''atheism'' can exist in religion..
M relating it to what im telling u about agnostics..
A gnostic atheist denies the possibility of the existence of a creator god..
Bt an agnostic is not 100%

An agnostic sits on the fence; he does not acknowledge or deny, an atheist denies. Get a dictionary man...Introducing terms like 'agnostic atheism' is an attempt at shifting the goalpost. It's atheism vs agnosticism remember?