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Achorise:
Sorry miss, your thought was well structured and matured, you are a girl with a difference

You're welcome anytime

Toks2008:
I'm not here to support or go against the act.The facts about it has been spelt out.

Watching porn is a sin cos you will surely lust after the characters and self servicing watching porn is also a sin.

I know married guys who self service thinking about their wives and some single guys and ladies self service thinking about intimacy. which is a different ball game to watching porn.

Many believers make it so difficult for themselves with vague and baseless human ideology.

If you are matured enough to have sex and you are not impotent then one of the three options must be your choice..leave hypocrisy outta it.

lalasticlala I don't know if this makes sense.

Like someone said earlier in ur thread (eventhough i read it through), you are been vague about whether you want to call masturbation a sin or not and at the same time you are quick to tell believers who think otherwise to "shut up" cos there is not a scripture that mentions masturbation explicitly!

I want to believe you are a "Christian" except you say otherwise cos u copiously "buttressed" your points with "scripturally backing"!

1. Have you by chance read 1Cor 10:31? Please do, cos for me that portion of scripture clarifies explicitly what is SIN no matter what anyone says! This qstn answers the "self-justifying qstns" some folks ask to have a "go-ahead" on what their conscience denies!

Back to ur confusing proposition: From that scripture If you can honestly say that you give God glory when you self-service, then I leave you to ur conscience.

2. If you are a christian (christ-like), and you are conscious of Gods all seeing eyes (remember you are His temple) when committing the act, and when you are done, you have NO element of guilt, then like the first, i leave u wt ur conscience (that's if you have one -cos the bible makes us understand that some have conscience that is dead)!

When it comes to SIN there is no grey, its all in black and white! Paint it how u may, try to be politically correct, the bible still calls it SIN!

are u advocating for wanking?



continue

ojinuocheibi:
you do...... yes you.

no, I don't.

Toks2008:
I have seen many threads on nairaland concerning self servicing and each time i read these threads i just shake my head in disbelief and i just marvel at the level of hypocrisy many people bring into the subject matter but today i want to present my candid take on self servicing using the very words of GOD as guide.

1.Is self servicing a sin?: I have hoped that one day, someone will really quote a bible passage that condemns self servicing but so far what we have seen are human philosophies and personal conviction about the matter.I don't know what the Quran says about it but The truth is that the Bible is totally silent about this matter.Many scholars have sited the story of onan(Genesis 38) who spilled his fluid on the ground but a deep understanding of that story shows that GOD punished him for disobedience rather than the act.

Until we find a good scripture to point to self servicing as a sin i will urge people to stop using human ideology to deceive people about the subject matter."Don't let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ."Colossians 2:8

2.When does self servicing becomes a sin:I always asked; when you masturbate how do you do it?what goes through your mind? I really don’t think a single man or woman will be thinking about a football game or a tractor when self servicing but probably about sex and i don't understand why it becomes a sin for a human who GOD created with sexual urge to think about sex.

But when you watch porn or indulge in pornographic induced self servicing then you have actually committed fornication and i will back this up with the scriptures..."But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart"Matthew 5:28
This means when you self service while "looking" at pornographic materials,it is only natural to lust after the men or women in the film or magazines and that makes it outright Adultery/fornication making it 100% sin and in-fact looking at the opposite sex lustfully even without masturbating is a sin.

3.When does self servicing becomes sinless?:Now understand this fact,Sexual urge is natural,healthy and God created it in us. You can not pray and fast about not having a sexual urge because its as natural as wanting to defecate or urinate.

[b]GOD never intended for a full grown man or woman to be single but today, many factors are responsible for many unmarried adults which brings on them the pressure of sexual urge. If you are sexually active and you have the self control to stay without fornicating,watching pornography or self servicing i say GOD bless you but if you have a very strong libido i will advice you find a way to ease off without fornicating or watching pornography. As i wrote, it is perfectly normal to have sexual urge and it makes sense to ease off rather than burn with passion.

Conclusively,i would say self servicing should be stopped by those who see it as a sin regardless and just like every other habit that can become very addictive,people who indulge in it should know the limits.

However, the first step to stopping self servicing is to get married and if you still find yourself indulging in it with your wife or husband around then it becomes a matter of interest for you to address if it affects your sexual relationship with your wife.[/b]

"But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion"1 Corinthians 7:9

Even when we know that masturbation may not be a sure way of avoiding fornication, many people have successfully wade off fornication with the act but the simple fact is that as long as you are a sexually healthy man or woman,you are left with three options...To self service,to fornicate or to burn with passion.

So I ask anyone reading this to sincerely tell us the option he or she would settle for

hypocrites will not allow this thread see the light of the day

Isaacmacdon:
are you blind? Did you really read the full thread?, its obvious you didn't, and I forgive you for that.

I read everything sir, but you are rather too harsh on him by calling him a son of devil, asking someone you don't know if he's blind, it not a good courtesy , it's not a positive attitude.

Good evening o.p! I have read this topic from the beginning to this page I must commend your views and submissions. I also want to appreciate your openness and humility however I would not argue with you but to remind us that when the use of anything is not known abuse is inevitable having said this. The book of 1st corinthians 6:9 is the only place in the bible I would want you to meditate on it. That passage talks about abusers of themselves. And I must agree with you that the holy bible contains everything even the masterbaton in question. I want to also encourage Christians all over the world to be careful with our approach to issues like this. The o.p has a valid point and he was even humble enough to ask for bible references yet all he got were few quotes and abuse on the other hand the o.p said he is a believer and in fact holy ghost born again as you call it and I'm tempted to say you should also watch yourselve looking at the way you reply people.please I am just here to encourage you and other Christians let us stop bashing ourselves over little things like this but pray for inspiration and understand....Thank you and God bless us. Shallom.................

Isaacmacdon:
ARE YOU BLIND? I insulted him?, sorry bro but you are ridiculous. You didn't read when he termed me a hypocrite because I told him the truth. Please and please, don't start.

No, I am not blind. Be calm bro, I am a fellow Christian and I am not trying to pick a fight with you. Being called a hypocrite is not being insulted. A hypocrite is a person who doesn't stand by his word, who claims to believe one thing and then follows another. When Peter was eating with gentiles and Paul came with other Jews, he refrained. That was hypocrisy. Paul rebuked him and he repented. Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites multiple times, not to insult them but to make them check themselves. That is why I said nothing about him 'insulting' you. All you had to do was be sure you aren't one and tell him you are not one, rather than insult him and buttress his point.

[color=#990000][/color] walk in the spirit ALWAYS, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh....GAL.5:16

The fact that you feel guilty after the act confirms that it is a sin. OP you know the truth and please pray to God to help you overcome the act because it is, destructive in all sense, health wise, psychologically, morally, spiritually. So please if you are into the act or you know people who are into the act, try and find way to stop it and help them also to stop. Masturbation is a burden and evil and it destroys your self esteem as a man in a way, so quit. Peace.

Isaacmacdon:
I'm very glad that there are still reasonable people on this platform. I really wonder what is happening right now. Its just the signs of the times. People tend to believe heresies and bullcrap, I just got to keep praying for everyone. Someone even had the guts to question my stand in Jesus Christ. When you are being exposed to a lot of evil, there's no gain saying that'd begin to pick then up gradually and this platform is the devils playground. I pity the weak willed Christians. I believe God will reveal the truth to all men. I need not worry cos I know I serve a living God.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,… the truth have been revealed to all men. I have up on the op when I knew what manner of man he is. How can u begin to teach him deep things of the Scripture, when he is yet to understand the basics.
Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

GentlemanUnltd:
None of the mentioned, I prefer Christ instead.

Yea. Christ is the answer. Mastubation can destroy a person

First, we must understand that our sexual organs are good and beautiful because they were given to us by God for the most noble purpose of continuing the human race. Genesis 1:2728 says: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them. 'Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it.'" (NIV) Our sexual organs were given to us by God; his for her and hers for him so that this command can be fulfilled. Second, the sex act in marriage is also good and beautiful because of its twofold God-given purpose: for the generation of children, and as an expression of true mutual love between the spouses. God performed the initial act of creation when He formed Adam and took the woman from his side. In the sex act in marriage, the couple is complying with God's command and is in essence performing an act of re-creation; with God's help they are creating a new life. Masturbation is the deliberate stimulation of the sex organ in order to derive sexual pleasure. As such, it is an act of recreation rather than re-creation and is ordered toward self rather than toward God. The 6th Commandment is "You shall not commit adultery" (Exodus 20:14; Deuteronomy 5:18) and this prohibits any sexual activity except with one's lifelong partner in the Sacrament of Matrimony. Even if you are not married, the teaching of the Catholic Church has always been that the 6th Commandment encompasses all sexual activity. After all, Jesus said that the greatest commandment was that you shall "love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength" (Mark 12:30, NIV) and self-centered recreational sexual activity violates this command.

firstking01:
I dnt really know where you are driving at maybe cos i didn't read everything you wrote but from your heading and second paragraph i can categorically and convincingly put it to anyone/body who masturbates is committing a sin pronable of bringing eternal damnation to yourself...your body is supposed to be the throne and temple of the holy spirit, so, how dare you defile it?...and if you think masturbation is not a sin why the guilt after the act?,,,anything you do and your concience is in disarray with you it's a sin....your concience is the God inside of you....i dnt wanna share my experience of masturbation and encounter with God...maybe some other day...again i qoute, that a thing is not in the bible doesn't mean it's not a sin....quit masturbation.

Nice one.
In support,
The fact is anyone that masturbates and stops couldn't have done it without God. And i'm also sure the person must have decided to stop having had some encounters with God. For me personally, I made up my mind to fight the demon wen I realised each time I masturbated, some unpleasant things happened to me. I knew God loved me and was trying to help me stop. So I started the war and I won. One thing that is however worth adding is if one intends to stop masturbating, one must also be ready to give up sex. The two work together. Talking about an unmarried person dou!

nickvanilla:
I guess u're trying to be funny here. Your hands should have been shorter so when u're bathing you wouldn't be able to reach down and scrub your hairy balls? Nigga are you for real?

u r ryt any way. I was trying to be funny any way. #sayno2selfservicing

Toks2008:
Ogbeni sit your ass down and get this straight.

I am a holy spirit filled,heaven bound believer in Christ and I have led many people to Christ not by preaching heresy but the truth from the bible so sit your ass down and learn right now.

Our body is the temple of God so smoking and "drunkenness" is a sin cos they destroy your body.

Nicotine and alcohol are substances that damage your organs.

Self servicing is a different ball game but the mistake you keep making is mixing up addiction with the subject matter.

Is eating food a sin? hell no but gluttony is a sin and its even in the bible.Any act whether good or bad if done in excess can be detrimental to us so stop mixing things up.

People like you make it difficult for people to make heaven by enslaving yourself in man made philosophy'.People like you go about condemning trouser wearing, weaveons and so on making people to see salvation as bondage.

Please read this thread of mine to have your inner mind open.

https://www.nairaland.com/2579060/8-false-teachings-churches-biblical

I have been a believer since 1987 and I know my stands.

Watching porn is fornication,self servicing while watching porn is fornication but when you are so filled with sexual passion and you are not married you are free to ease off with your imagination if you can but if you have the grace to control yourself good for you.

But if your heart condemns you if you do it then stop it..PERIOD

Mr man!

The gist is you cannot be maturbating and not picture @ least one naked woman in your head. And d naked woman will be a woman you know. So what's the difference between watching porn and that. Masturbation is a sin. You are probably just trying to justify a sinful life like many christian do.

this op should just go and masturbate for the rest of his life... He should stop looking for people to join him.

Wingback:
Everyone Masturbates and it's healthy now can we stop flogging dead horses?

Mbok, don't generalize. speak for urself, u should be man enough

Hmm! Perfect brainwashing, your write-up look some how philosophical and you detest that. However as a Muslim, the Quran has made forbidden clean cut clear masturbation as He Allah says in the glorious Quran in chapter 23, verses 1-7 ( the believers); and i quote;
1. Successful indeed are the believers.
2. Those who offer their prayers with all solemnity and full submissiveness.
3. And those who turn away from Al-laghw(dirty, false, evil vain talk, falsehood, and all that Alláh has forbidden).
4. And those who pay zakat (the poor due).
5. And those who guard their chastity (i.e private part, from illegal sexual act).
6. Except from their wives or (the slave) that their right hands possess, for them, they have no blame.
7. But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors;. End of quote. So from the very last verse we can see that the intent motive why people masturbate is to get pleasure from it, which is also one of the reasons people who get married get involve in sex. So whoever seeks to get this pleasure outside marriage is termed as a sin in the faith of Islam. In summary, masturbation, fornication and adultery are all forbidden in the light of Islam.

famagusta:
The fact that you feel guilty after the act confirms that it is a sin. OP you know the truth and please pray to God to help you overcome the act because it is, destructive in all sense, health wise, psychologically, morally, spiritually. So please if you are into the act or you know people who are into the act, try and find way to stop it and help them also to stop. Masturbation is a burden and evil and it destroys your self esteem as a man in a way, so quit. Peace.

Kai! see people writing super story on top nothing.

Is masturbation a sin?...Nooo

Does the bible call it a sin? NOO

Is it a habit? YESS

Is it a bad habit? yes if you indulge excessively

Is it a good habit? YESS if done reasonably to wade off formication which is a clear sin.

hankkk:
May God grant unto us sound understanding! Amen! I want to believe that if we had understanding about some things we wouldn't have to debate them before we desist. Masturbation is not just the physical thing you think you do by toying with your parts, it acually has a very deep spiritual angle. When you masturbate you are actually having intercourse with spirits (some people call them spirit spouses), I will just call them spirit partners. Now you may be tempted to say, what is the big deal in having sex with spirits? For those of you who have heard about spirit spouses, you'd know that when a person has been espoused to a spirit partner, the spirit partner prevents such a person from making significant progress in life- because it sees that person as it's partner it could prevent one from getting a human partner(husband/wife), if one is already married it could prevent one from child bearing, if one already has children it could bring about confusion in the family to cause separation, etc. In short what spirit partners do is, they cause delay in important areas of ones life. For people that masturbate, try to examine your lives honestly , are there not areas where you are really experiencing significant delays? The only way you can be free is to stop having intercourse with spirits by way of masturbation. With fervent prayer and by starving these spirits of sex you will start making progress in life, because these spirits will no more have power over you and your destiny. Give this a deep thought, please. Shalom!

I'm a first generation American and I hate myself sometimes for being black because of people like you who makes the world see us as backward and primitive. What year are we in? 400BC? This is why no one takes Africa seriously. I can't believe what I just read. Too ridiculous!

firstking01:
I dnt really know where you are driving at maybe cos i didn't read everything you wrote but from your heading and second paragraph i can categorically and convincingly put it to anyone/body who masturbates is committing a sin pronable of bringing eternal damnation to yourself...your body is supposed to be the throne and temple of the holy spirit, so, how dare you defile it?...and if you think masturbation is not a sin why the guilt after the act?,,,anything you do and your concience is in disarray with you it's a sin....your concience is the God inside of you....i dnt wanna share my experience of masturbation and encounter with God...maybe some other day...again i qoute, that a thing is not in the bible doesn't mean it's not a sin....quit masturbation.

Sorry Oga mi I just want to understand something. If masturbation defiles our body what does sex do? Both marital and pre-marital

vikkeee:
Sorry Oga mi I just want to understand something. If masturbation defiles our body what does sex do? Both marital and pre-marital

It's this even a question?

Leez:
i hope u knw women have higher sex drive compared to men

that shouldn't give me an excuse to self service myself, my dear that is why there is seducing.

So If you are h0rnie, u should masturbate for dead horse, or marry so wife can flog you. Choices o.

foolishness is what you are displaying masturbation is a weakness and an addiction, it is senseless and not the original pattern of sex predestined for human. God created a way sex is supposed to be practiced and if it is not that way it is perversion, I am not perfect because I was addicted to this for a long time,but don't deceive urself masturbation cannot come without lust for the opposite sex. that's a confirmation that it's sin,because you cannot or u don't have enough grace or discipline to live without you do not give u a reason to justify ur weakness, this is part of the greatest problems in christiandom when people are lazy and don't want to be discipline they frame something from their philosophical mentality. you must worship the Lord your God in spirit and in truth.

mrphysics:
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,… the truth have been revealed to all men. I have up on the op when I knew what manner of man he is. How can u begin to teach him deep things of the Scripture, when he is yet to understand the basics.
Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Jesus is Lord. The devil couldn't stand a chance.

Achorise:
I read everything sir, but you are rather too harsh on him by calling him a son of devil , asking someone you don't know if he's blind, it not a good courtesy , it's not a positive attitude.

Well, what can I say. You just put the icing on the cake. please my child, kindly go through the thread and tell me what you see. Please look from the first mention he sent to me. I'd love it if you retrace your comment about me insulting him.

Milo30:
No, I am not blind. Be calm bro, I am a fellow Christian and I am not trying to pick a fight with you. Being called a hypocrite is not being insulted. A hypocrite is a person who doesn't stand by his word, who claims to believe one thing and then follows another. When Peter was eating with gentiles and Paul came with other Jews, he refrained. That was hypocrisy. Paul rebuked him and he repented. Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites multiple times, not to insult them but to make them check themselves. That is why I said nothing about him 'insulting' you. All you had to do was be sure you aren't one and tell him you are not one, rather than insult him and buttress his point.

thanks for clearing that up. "Man know thyself".

Toks2008:
Ogbeni sit your ass down and get this straight.

I am a holy spirit filled,heaven bound believer in Christ and I have led many people to Christ not by preaching heresy but the truth from the bible so sit your ass down and learn right now.

Our body is the temple of God so smoking and "drunkenness" is a sin cos they destroy your body.

Nicotine and alcohol are substances that damage your organs.

Self servicing is a different ball game but the mistake you keep making is mixing up addiction with the subject matter.

Is eating food a sin? hell no but gluttony is a sin and its even in the bible.Any act whether good or bad if done in excess can be detrimental to us so stop mixing things up.

People like you make it difficult for people to make heaven by enslaving yourself in man made philosophy'.People like you go about condemning trouser wearing, weaveons and so on making people to see salvation as bondage.

Please read this thread of mine to have your inner mind open.

https://www.nairaland.com/2579060/8-false-teachings-churches-biblical

I have been a believer since 1987 and I know my stands.

Watching porn is fornication,self servicing while watching porn is fornication but when you are so filled with sexual passion and you are not married you are free to ease off with your imagination if you can but if you have the grace to control yourself good for you.

But if your heart condemns you if you do it then stop it..PERIOD

Misleading, bro. I don't want to buy this cos it's too cheap. Raise the standard, may be I may negotiate or buy.
So if I go into robbery and if my mind do not condemn me or I find a good reason to justify my act, then I'm not committing sin and the other man stealing wt his mind condemning him is committing sin. This is pathetic.
I wonder when mind of men become yardstick for God to determine what is sin or not.

firstking01:
I dnt really know where you are driving at maybe cos i didn't read everything you wrote but from your heading and second paragraph i can categorically and convincingly put it to anyone/body who masturbates is committing a sin pronable of bringing eternal damnation to yourself...your body is supposed to be the throne and temple of the holy spirit, so, how dare you defile it?...and if you think masturbation is not a sin why the guilt after the act?,,,anything you do and your concience is in disarray with you it's a sin....your concience is the God inside of you....i dnt wanna share my experience of masturbation and encounter with God...maybe some other day...again i qoute, that a thing is not in the bible doesn't mean it's not a sin....quit masturbation.

I think the issue of what is allowed by the conscience is relative. Some cultures may permit marrying a distant relation while some don't. Those that allow will never feel guilty marrying such relatives.

Even is religions, there are things allowed which the practitioner will not see as a sin but a non practitioner will cringe from doing same.

CONSCIENCE IS RELATIVE.

However, I see masturbation as a sin because of my conscience. Yet to see strong disapproval of it in the Bible.

Toks2008:
I have seen many threads on nairaland concerning self servicing and each time i read these threads i just shake my head in disbelief and i just marvel at the level of hypocrisy many people bring into the subject matter but today i want to present my candid take on self servicing using the very words of GOD as guide.

1.Is self servicing a sin?: I have hoped that one day, someone will really quote a bible passage that condemns self servicing but so far what we have seen are human philosophies and personal conviction about the matter.I don't know what the Quran says about it but The truth is that the Bible is totally silent about this matter.Many scholars have sited the story of onan(Genesis 38) who spilled his fluid on the ground but a deep understanding of that story shows that GOD punished him for disobedience rather than the act.

Until we find a good scripture to point to self servicing as a sin i will urge people to stop using human ideology to deceive people about the subject matter."Don't let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ."Colossians 2:8

2.When does self servicing becomes a sin:I always asked; when you masturbate how do you do it?what goes through your mind? I really don’t think a single man or woman will be thinking about a football game or a tractor when self servicing but probably about sex and i don't understand why it becomes a sin for a human who GOD created with sexual urge to think about sex.

But when you watch porn or indulge in pornographic induced self servicing then you have actually committed fornication and i will back this up with the scriptures..."But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart"Matthew 5:28
This means when you self service while "looking" at pornographic materials,it is only natural to lust after the men or women in the film or magazines and that makes it outright Adultery/fornication making it 100% sin and in-fact looking at the opposite sex lustfully even without masturbating is a sin.

3.When does self servicing becomes sinless?:Now understand this fact,Sexual urge is natural,healthy and God created it in us. You can not pray and fast about not having a sexual urge because its as natural as wanting to defecate or urinate.

[b]GOD never intended for a full grown man or woman to be single but today, many factors are responsible for many unmarried adults which brings on them the pressure of sexual urge. If you are sexually active and you have the self control to stay without fornicating,watching pornography or self servicing i say GOD bless you but if you have a very strong libido i will advice you find a way to ease off without fornicating or watching pornography. As i wrote, it is perfectly normal to have sexual urge and it makes sense to ease off rather than burn with passion.

Conclusively,i would say self servicing should be stopped by those who see it as a sin regardless and just like every other habit that can become very addictive,people who indulge in it should know the limits.

However, the first step to stopping self servicing is to get married and if you still find yourself indulging in it with your wife or husband around then it becomes a matter of interest for you to address if it affects your sexual relationship with your wife.[/b]

"But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion"1 Corinthians 7:9

Even when we know that masturbation may not be a sure way of avoiding fornication, many people have successfully wade off fornication with the act but the simple fact is that as long as you are a sexually healthy man or woman,you are left with three options...To self service,to fornicate or to burn with passion.

So I ask anyone reading this to sincerely tell us the option he or she would settle for

Sincerly speaking you're right!
But unfortunately, you've successfully initiated several millions into the act.