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Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by amicable09(f): 11:33am On Sep 09, 2016
joseph1832:
When did Nigerian pastors and reverends become Levites? I'll have you know men of God today, not only own landed properties, they own companies, cars etc, all amounting to millions of naira.

So giving this set of people your 10% is just wasting your resources and adding to theirs...
Lol. I know where you are headed grin
But that doesn't mean that the storehouse should be empty now, does it?
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by amicable09(f): 11:43am On Sep 09, 2016
Jozzy4:
Your Naija pastors are sons of Aaron ? grin
chai

even in the bible apostle Paul said his own hands work to cater for his needs
Hahahaha. They are na grin
Apostle Paul also mentioned of the gifts he received. In fact, once he talked about stopping them from giving but realized it was wrong. In Philippians 4:19 when he prayed the prayer of my God shall supply all your needs according to his riches in glory, check what led to that prayer we call claim today. Read earlier verses to find out.

I am tempted to go deep and take you through the new testament because I know you may want to say Malachi is in the old testament book and all but I'm having a tight schedule today. I hope sha that you understand this little explanation. Apostle Paul was a church planter but he was no Pastor.
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Jozzy4: 11:52am On Sep 09, 2016
amicable09:
Hahahaha. They are na grin
and you know this one na lie ,

Apostle Paul also mentioned of the gifts he received . In fact, once he talked about stopping them from giving but realized it was wrong. In Philippians 4:19 when he prayed the prayer of my God shall supply all your needs according to his riches in glory, check what led to that prayer we call claim today. Read earlier verses to find out.

I am tempted to go deep and take you through the new testament because I know you may want to say Malachi is in the old testament book and all but I'm having a tight schedule today. I hope sha that you understand this little explanation. Apostle Paul was a church planter but he was no Pastor.
@ bold, not tithe he received . no single record of him collecting tithe sef
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by otemanuduno:
Stupedinluv:
angry I got tired of going, now they are disturbing my peace. Asking me why i quit? Why wont i quit a place that has become a breeding ground for foolishness and shyness

I am beginning to dislike Nigerian christians, i am afraid they are making me to.

You will see them thinking rationally on every normal day and everywhere but once they step in to the church, they just pack up their brains. Haba!

The swallow everything mr pastor says and dont bother looking them up in the bible.

Pastor say sow seed, papapa. They drop
Thite; same thing
No questions.

Thats how one brainless girl gave her school fees as seed. For wetin, i chop winsh undecided

"Where is it in the bible?" is my amour. No body can deceive me when i have brain.

The sharp contrast in the Nigerian christian behaviour in the church and in their daily lives, is a sad one.

In their D.lives, they wont even let a kobo drop from their wallets without proper and careful calculation. They must get to the root of why they should let go their doughs, even if they have to carry out an extensive research.

I am just tired of these people who let themselves swindled by people that are not their match in the name of "fearing God and his annointed men"

mtswww
The religion of Muafrika2 and Jacksonville is gradually losing its grip on people, yet year 2625AD is still very far away. By then, it's only through microscope that an observer will see the remnants of Christians.

Read the truth here and be free from worshipping any god or man
https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Ambassador1991(m): 3:12pm On Sep 09, 2016
kolaish:
why not look for a church that suits your style. There are so many denominations out there that will not drain your pocket, and take u for who you are. Beside worship, which is the aim of the church, my church seeks to improve members standard of living as well. A family church that I always looks forward to attending everytime where EVERYBODY IS SOMEBODY.
What is the name of your Church and its location, please?
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by flamingREED(m): 4:17pm On Sep 09, 2016
ALL I SEE ARE PEOPLE ON HIGH SPEED
SPEED TO HELL

Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Ranchhoddas: 5:51pm On Sep 09, 2016
Stupedinluv:
angry I got tired of going, now they are disturbing my peace. Asking me why i quit? Why wont i quit a place that has become a breeding ground for foolishness and shyness

I am beginning to dislike Nigerian christians, i am afraid they are making me to.

You will see them thinking rationally on every normal day and everywhere but once they step in to the church, they just pack up their brains. Haba!

The swallow everything mr pastor says and dont bother looking them up in the bible.

Pastor say sow seed, papapa. They drop
Thite; same thing
No questions.

Thats how one brainless girl gave her school fees as seed. For wetin, i chop winsh undecided

"Where is it in the bible?" is my amour. No body can deceive me when i have brain.

The sharp contrast in the Nigerian christian behaviour in the church and in their daily lives, is a sad one.

In their D.lives, they wont even let a kobo drop from their wallets without proper and careful calculation. They must get to the root of why they should let go their doughs, even if they have to carry out an extensive research.

I am just tired of these people who let themselves swindled by people that are not their match in the name of "fearing God and his annointed men"

mtswww
Na you dem swindle? Why you dey vex? The girl come ask you for food?
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by amicable09(f): 7:01pm On Sep 09, 2016
Jozzy4:
and you know this one na lie ,



@ bold, not tithe he received . no single record of him collecting tithe sef
Mmmhh... Now do you see why people who complain about men of God living large have no case? Because apparently, Paul had more than enough to live large.

Also, Apostle Paul of course never collected tithes because of his ministry as an apostle. He didn't shepherd a flock, therefore there was no case for him to receive somebody's 10% and be sentimental about it cos he was not presiding over any storehouse.
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Jozzy4: 5:49pm On Sep 10, 2016
amicable09:
Mmmhh... Now do you see why people who complain about men of God living large have no case? Because apparently, Paul had more than enough to live large.

Also, Apostle Paul of course never collected tithes because of his ministry as an apostle. He didn't shepherd a flock, therefore there was no case for him to receive somebody's 10% and be sentimental about it cos he was not presiding over any storehouse.
Peter Shepherd the flock, where do you read that he collect tithe ?
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by plaetton: 6:35pm On Sep 10, 2016
kolaish:
why not look for a church that suits your style. There are so many denominations out there that will not drain your pocket, and take u for who you are. Beside worship, which is the aim of the church, my church seeks to improve members standard of living as well. A family church that I always looks forward to attending everytime where EVERYBODY IS SOMEBODY.
I always tell my friends, what you can't find in one Church, you will definitely not find in another Church. Churches, especially the Nigerian types, exist for the same reasons.

Once you begin to see through the mirage in one Church, it means that the rational part of your brain is agitating for freedom and sovereignty.
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by MarkMiwerds(m): 7:15pm On Sep 10, 2016
In order for a Christian to give a biblical tithe today, that Christian would have to:

a) be a physical descendant of Jacob. (Leviticus 27:34; Psalms 147:19-20)
b) be given a portion of the Promised Land by God. (Genesis 28:13-15)
c) move into the Promised Land (Deuteronomy 6:1-3; 12:1,10-11)
d) raise crops or breed livestock on that portion of the Promised Land (Leviticus 27:30-33)
e) take a tenth part of the crops raised, and/or every tenth animal of the livestock to pass under a rod to a physical descendant of Levi in the farming communities (Numbers 18:24-26; Nehemiah 10:37-38)
f) be unfaithful to Christ (Romans 7:3-4)

An attempt to tithe by any other means in any other geographic location is in direct contradiction to God’s word, and would not be a biblical tithe.


Monetary tithes exist in the Church today because of lies in the pulpits and ignorance in the pews.

Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by mrZENographer: 7:53pm On Sep 10, 2016
rosalieene:
Brother moses, Who told you her church is fake.
You are trying to advertise The Lord's Chosen!!
O God pls forgive me for what I want to say now,; why is it that most Lord's chosen members are poor.
MOST? You are not mentally sound.

You notice that some chosen members are 'poor'. But you failed to notice how many poor people have been made rich by coming to The Lord's Chosen. Seriously you are blind. because if you weren't you'd notice that there are many rich people in my Church.

Thanks for advertising your ignorance may God indeed forgive you and your subscribers.
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by rosalieene(f):
cool
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by rosalieene(f): 9:39pm On Sep 10, 2016
mrZENographer:
MOST? You are not mentally sound.

You notice that some chosen members are 'poor'. But you failed to notice how many poor people have been made rich by coming to The Lord's Chosen. [b]Seriously you are blind.[/b]because if you weren't you'd notice that there are many rich people in my Church.

Thanks for advertising your ignorance may God indeed forgive you and your subscribers.
So much for a born again Lord's Chosen member.
You need God's Forgiveness more.
*catwalks outta thread*
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by mrZENographer: 4:51am On Sep 11, 2016
rosalieene:
So much for a born again Lord's Chosen member.
You need God's Forgiveness more.
*catwalks outta thread*
How does this mean am not a born again Ms Fault-finder?
Just another excuse to disdain the word of God/preacher and become more vile to self.

Hoses 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by rexlims(m): 7:41am On Sep 11, 2016
kolaish:
why not look for a church that suits your style. There are so many denominations out there that will not drain your pocket, and take u for who you are. Beside worship, which is the aim of the church, my church seeks to improve members standard of living as well. A family church that I always looks forward to attending everytime where EVERYBODY IS SOMEBODY.
what church do u attend
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Nobody: 11:33am On Sep 11, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Na you dem swindle? Why you dey vex? The girl come ask you for food?
mtcheew
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Nobody: 11:37am On Sep 11, 2016
amicable09:
I'm smiling going through your thread.
I know people, very many of them while in school who sowed their tuition and accommodation fees as seed of faith. And no one of them was stranded at any time. It's the measure of their Faith.

Over to tithing, who told you it's unchristian? Where did you read that your 'tithe' should be given to the poor? I don't get this new doctrines I see springing up in many quarters these days. If you're paying tithe, it is clear -the purpose. It is for meat to be in the storehouse not for the poor outside. What you give to the poor outside, no matter the percentage is not tithe! That's my understanding of the Bible.
Ok but pls Just show me where the christians in the bible tithed. Are we not following their footsteps?
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Ranchhoddas: 11:37am On Sep 11, 2016
Stupedinluv:
mtcheew
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Nobody: 11:39am On Sep 11, 2016
polymathic:
1. Tithing is scriptural.. forget malachi 3:8 and read Hebrew 7.
2. Tithing is a choice not by force.
3. Have you ask yourself this question? how some churches were built without donation for church building? Thats what your tithe does. Its also used for the work of the ministry and propagation of the gospel.

Tithing is not the only access to God's blessing but its important cos that is the only way the church get funded for the work of the ministry.

NOTE: Any church where the pastor or leader uses the tithe for their personal use can never grow and cannot stay for long.....
Good to know you made the Bible your standard for living and knowing the truth....
Show me where the christians in the bible tithed. Thats all i am asking for. You are just giving me your opinion.
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Scream(m): 12:09pm On Sep 11, 2016
polymathic:
1. Tithing is scriptural.. forget malachi 3:8 and read Hebrew 7.
2. Tithing is a choice not by force.
3. Have you ask yourself this question? how some churches were built without donation for church building? Thats what your tithe does. Its also used for the work of the ministry and propagation of the gospel.

Tithing is not the only access to God's blessing but its important cos that is the only way the church get funded for the work of the ministry.

NOTE: Any church where the pastor or leader uses the tithe for their personal use can never grow and cannot stay for long.....
Good to know you made the Bible your standard for living and knowing the truth....
Bro, you are very wrong in almost all the points you raised. The first church was not built on tithing... imagine Apostle Peter telling Jewish converts to bring to the, the Bible would have recorded the reaction!

Meanwhile, we have Kingdom Halls all over the country, they give out free copies of Awake year in, year out!

Yet, those that "know the truth" sell everything, engage in different businesses (even those they received freely) using the children of God as their market.

Stop lying to yourself...God will provide!
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by amicable09(f): 12:40pm On Sep 11, 2016
Jozzy4:
Peter Shepherd the flock, where do you read that he collect tithe ?
Alright. Happy Sunday first. Let's talk about Peter and Tithing.

Acts of the Apostles will help us understand this very well. Peter was an apostle but Christ left him a command to feed his sheep. Peter was the rock on which the church was built. Even though the church then was not denominational and as such we cannot say what the name of the church he founded was, we can see some things that happened in the church.

Acts 4, the later part of it talked about the unity of the early church and how they sold their possessions and broke bread even to the point of having everything in common.

Verse 5 gives us the account of Ananias and his wife, who sold their possessions and kept part of the money only to come and lie to Peter and of course you know what happened to them. Death.

Go to verse 6, when Stephen and six others were appointed to be in charge of serving tables when widows and the fatherless began to murmur about the poor service they were getting. What does this tell you? How were they coming about the things they had in the storehouse to share?

Let's move to Hebrews. Chapter 7 talked about Abraham tithing even before Aaron the priest came to the picture. Before Leviticus, a man Abraham tithed to Melchizedek, a priest. This priest can be compared to Jesus. Therefore, it wasn't an old testament thing, believers today are still expected to pay their tithes to Jesus, our great high priest.
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by amicable09(f): 12:42pm On Sep 11, 2016
Stupedinluv:
Ok but pls Just show me where the christians in the bible tithed. Are we not following their footsteps?
Please see my most recent response to Jozzy.
Thanks.
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Jozzy4: 1:11pm On Sep 11, 2016
amicable09:
Alright. Happy Sunday first. Let's talk about Peter and Tithing.

Acts of the Apostles will help us understand this very well. Peter was an apostle but Christ left him a command to feed his sheep. Peter was the rock on which the church was built. Even though the church then was not denominational and as such we cannot say what the name of the church he founded was, we can see some things that happened in the church.
Good afternoon.

actually the reason I sighted peter was because you keep saying Shepherding the flock guarantee collections of tithe and nowhere did we found Peter who is also a Shepherd collecting tithe . NOWHERE!

Acts 4, the later part of it talked about the unity of the early church and how they sold their possessions and broke bread even to the point of having everything in common.

Verse 5 gives us the account of Ananias and his wife, who sold their possessions and kept part of the money only to come and lie to Peter and of course you know what happened to them. Death.

Go to verse 6, when Stephen and six others were appointed to be in charge of serving tables when widows and the fatherless began to murmur about the poor service they were getting. What does this tell you? How were they coming about the things they had in the storehouse to share?
good of you sister, You are very good in summary . see the way you summarise the chapters . nice one

but in answer to your question @ bold , Act 4:34,35 answers that saying those who have properties sell their properties and share the money with others who don't have much . they exhibit a cheerful giver spirit NOT by tithing.

Let's move to Hebrews. Chapter 7 talked about Abraham tithing even before Aaron the priest came to the picture. Before Leviticus, a man Abraham tithed to Melchizedek, a priest. This priest can be compared to Jesus. Therefore, it wasn't an old testament thing, believers today are still expected to pay their tithes to Jesus, our great high priest.
@ bold , so the Naija pastors = Jesus Christ ? grin you are funny


besides , Abraham tithed spoils of war NOT money and it was found ONCE to Melchizedek not weekly and monthly as practiced today .


it still boils down to the fact that tithing was not found in the midst of the first century Christians instead cheerful giving or voluntary donations was encouraged .
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Nobody: 1:50pm On Sep 11, 2016
.... Thank God; Nigerians are finally seeing reason.
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Nobody: 7:49pm On Sep 11, 2016
Scream:
Bro, you are very wrong in almost all the points you raised. The first church was not built on tithing... imagine Apostle Peter telling Jewish converts to bring to the, the Bible would have recorded the reaction!

Meanwhile, we have Kingdom Halls all over the country, they give out free copies of Awake year in, year out!

Yet, those that "know the truth" sell everything, engage in different businesses (even those they received freely) using the children of God as their market.

Stop lying to yourself...God will provide!
So how was the kingdom halls built? was it God coming down to build it? i am curious to know sir.....
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by frubben(m): 7:59pm On Sep 11, 2016
Babe welcome to the club, church has lost his purpose
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Scream(m): 8:14pm On Sep 11, 2016
polymathic:
So how was the kingdom halls built? was it God coming down to build it? i am curious to know sir.....
Sir, I am not a JW, I do not know but I know that they are more involved in evangelism than us(even though they do not have private jets), there are their buildings everywhere and THEY DO NOT COLLECT TITHE...

There is something they are doing right that we need to learn from them bro. Meanwhile, I do not think God is interested in the Castles being erected everywhere in His name...He is interested in the hearts of those that worship in those places.

Also, let is not overburden our people with Laws that even the Jews couldn't keep...if you want us to go to the scriptures so that we can sharpen each other, I'm around.

Shallom
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Nobody: 8:25pm On Sep 11, 2016
polymathic:
So how was the kingdom halls built? was it God coming down to build it? i am curious to know sir.....
which kingdom halls again o
Cant we have church anywhere? like in a member's house. Must we build a hall?

Even if we must have a place to gather, we can still all contribute what we have voluntarily, after all are we not christ-like? Wont God enable us to give and guide us?

Say the truth. You trust men more than God joor
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Nobody: 8:59pm On Sep 11, 2016
Scream:
Sir, I am not a JW, I do not know but I know that they are more involved in evangelism than us(even though they do not have private jets), there are their buildings everywhere and THEY DO NOT COLLECT TITHE...

There is something they are doing right that we need to learn from them bro. Meanwhile, I do not think God is interested in the Castles being erected everywhere in His name...He is interested in the hearts of those that worship in those places.

Also, let is not overburden our people with Laws that even the Jews couldn't keep...if you want us to go to the scriptures so that we can sharpen each other, I'm around.

Shallom
Lol... do u know there are people who govern the mode of operation of JW? These dudes roll big, goan find out about em... Lets talk via whatsapp if u in... God bless you
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by Nobody: 9:06pm On Sep 11, 2016
Stupedinluv:
which kingdom halls again o
Cant we have church anywhere? like in a member's house. Must we build a hall?

Even if we must have a place to gather, we can still all contribute what we have voluntarily, after all are we not christ-like? Wont God enable us to give and guide us?

Say the truth. You trust men more than God joor
Hahaha... i received men Jesus sent cos its scriptural.... were you ever compelled to pay tithe? Tithing is not by force, in my church tithing is only taught, whether u pay or not is nobody's business and no one will ever ask you to show proofs of payment. Its personal, its telling God im returning a part of what you gave to me. Lets not stress over this issue, Tithing is scriptural n its not by force. You chose to give or not same way u chose to give to the poor or not... Chose wisely
Re: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by dragunov: 10:19pm On Sep 11, 2016
mrZENographer:
Firs of all, you have lied by claiming you were a Christian. Secondly, all churches are not the same. There are fake churches (which are many), and there are true churches ( which are few). Some people go to those churches were they can comfortably wear mini skirt and pants. Some go to churches where they initiate them into occultism and society. Most churches don't preach the gospel of righteousness. Your supposed church being among. NOTE: I don't believe ur even a Christian the first place.

But if u want a true church that preach undiluted word then come to The Lord's Chosen Charismatic Revival Movement@ Ijesha Bustop Lagos.
I thought you would say that. I just knew you would be Lazarus Muoka croony from the first sentence you typed. You lot are always full of self righteousness. And the dumbness you guyz exhibit when you wear those annoying jackets and take to the street in hordes creating unnecessary din is something else.
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