oneolajire:
the sons of Charles Taze have created a thread here too. You ran away from my thread when I showed you that Charles Taze Russell was your former leader. The prominent man, born in 1852 and made a lot of false predictions in his publications has been able to plant his deceit in those who have accepted to identify with the Jehova witness organisation[/b]

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/founder/

Read about the fraud called Charles Taze in the various books he published. I wonder why you his followers refused to learn about your history. Psalm11:3, if the foundation be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

Flee from hell fire. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

This liar again , @ bold Show me where Russell claimed to be the leader of Jehovah's Witnesses ?

Jozzy4:


This liar again , @ bold Show me where Russell claimed to be the leader of Jehovah's Witnesses ?

Thank God everyone who sees this thread now sees you as someone who doesn't understand english language. ONEOLAJIRE, thank you for bashing the guy trying to run away from the truth. He needs to return to kindergarten to read in-between lines.

Jehovah witnesses say he was their father, you say you belong to Jehovah witnesses (or where do you belong? Jehovah weaknesses or wickedness?) if you belong to Jehovah witnesses, those who taught you lies says Taze Charles was your former leader, now you are logically denying it. We have studied your history, we know the false predictions that your organisations and Taze Charles have made series of false predictions over the years and you are too shy to identify with them.

You had better repent on time.
As oneolajire asked in his thread, where will you go when you die? Paul went to be with Jesus, Philippian 1:21-25, he didn't sat he will go to the grave and wait till the resurrection day. Stephen's spirit went to be with the Lord Act 7:59.
If you are not sure of going to Jesus when you die, all your preaching and attendance at your kingdom hall are all futile efforts.

Accept Jesus Christ today.

solutionsnow:


Thank God everyone who sees this thread now sees you as someone who doesn't understand english language. ONEOLAJIRE, thank you for bashing the guy trying to run away from the truth. He needs to return to kindergarten to read in-between lines.



Jehovah witnesses say he was their father, you say you belong to Jehovah witnesses (or where do you belong? Jehovah weaknesses or wickedness?) if you belong to Jehovah witnesses, those who taught you lies says Taze Charles was your former leader, now you are logically denying it. We have studied your history, we know the false predictions that your organisations and Taze Charles have made series of false predictions over the years and you are too shy to identify with them.

You had better repent on time.
As oneolajire asked in his thread, where will you go when you die? Paul went to be with Jesus, Philippian 1:21-25, he didn't sat he will go to the grave and wait till the resurrection day. Stephen's spirit went to be with the Lord Act 7:59.
If you are not sure of going to Jesus when you die, all your preaching and attendance at your kingdom hall are all futile efforts.

Accept Jesus Christ today.

you are from your father the Devil .. so full of lies .


can you show me where Jehovah's Witnesses claim Russell was their Father @ bold ?

Jozzy4:


you are from your father the Devil .. so full of lies .


can you show me where Jehovah's Witnesses claim Russell was their Father @ bold ?

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/founder/

You need to go back to kg or nursery 1 to learn how to read. You mean you didn't open your eyes and see the link posted on your thread or do you mean you failed to see it? Go and examine your eyes, go meet the doctor. What is a father? Russell was your leader and father, a father of lies.

It is not your fault, you are only practicing the fraud and deceit planted in you.

Repent.

Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower, he was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.—Colossians 1:18-20.

solutionsnow:


https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/founder/

You need to go back to kg or nursery 1 to learn how to read. You mean you didn't open your eyes and see the link posted on your thread or do you mean you failed to see it? Go and examine your eyes, go meet the doctor. What is a father? Russell was your leader and father, a father of lies.

It is not your fault, you are only practicing the fraud and deceit planted in you.

Repent.

From the link, who then is?

I like to believe everyone reading is reasonable enough to read and understand?

JMAN05,

You Jehovah Witnesses say Proverbs 8:22-30 is talking about Jesus Christ.

1 Cor. 1:30 says "But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of GOD is made unto us wisdom..." The Bible makes it clear that to us, Jesus Christ is the wisdom of GOD.

Now my question: was Wisdom created?

Please don't quote your JW NWT bible for me. Quote the Authorized version or any other popular version.

solutionsnow:


https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/founder/

You need to go back to kg or nursery 1 to learn how to read. You mean you didn't open your eyes and see the link posted on your thread or do you mean you failed to see it? Go and examine your eyes, go meet the doctor. What is a father? Russell was your leader and father, a father of lies.

It is not your fault, you are only practicing the fraud and deceit planted in you.

Repent.

when you think you are wise , you become a fool !

from the link

" Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower , he [Russell] was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.— Colossians 1:18-20 "
* bracket mine

didn't you see the bold ?

DoctorAlien:
JMAN05,

You Jehovah Witnesses say Proverbs 8:22-30 is talking about Jesus Christ.

1 Cor. 1:30 says "But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of GOD is made unto us wisdom..." The Bible makes it clear that to us, Jesus Christ is the wisdom of GOD.

Now my question: was Wisdom created?

Please don't quote your JW NWT bible for me. Quote the Authorized version or any other popular version.

You guys are funny, how many times has he quoted from the new world translation?

Even when we call at your door we encourage you to get your own Bible because we want you to see it from your own Bible. Yet you guys can't say a word without accusing the JWs.

firestar:
Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower, he was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.—Colossians 1:18-20.



From the link, who then is?

I like to believe everyone reading is reasonable enough to read and understand?

the guy is one insincere fellow . don't mind the liar

goodnews201668,

Prov. 8:22 says: "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old." It is clear that Whoever the verse is talking about, GOD possessed/had that Person with Him ever since He Himself existed.

Verse 23 says "I was set up from everlasting..."

You JWs say Prov. 8:22 is talking about Jesus Christ. You also say Jesus Christ was created. If Jesus Christ was created, then GOD didn't possess/have Him in "the beginning of His ways." It means He came into the picture later on.

How can Jesus Christ be with GOD since "the beginning of His ways" and still be created?

And how can Jesus be set up from everlasting if He had a beginning i.e was created?

If the Holy Spirit is Almighty God...
1. Then why do quotes from Trinitarians admit that the Holy Spirit is not God but rather is a force from God?
2. Then why would Jews instructed in the OldTestament scriptures and in the teachings of John the Baptist, NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS? (Acts 19:2)
3. Then why isn't the Holy Spirit given equal description in the Bible?
4. Then why didn't Jesus ever teach that the Holy Spirit was God along with the Father and Son?
5. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as an "it"? (Is. 34:16 ASV, KJV; Numbers 11:17, 25 ASV, KJV, RSV, NRSV, AT, LB, NEB, REB, NAB, JB, NJB; and Romans 8:16, 26 in the KJV.)
6. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as a thing that can be poured out into portions? (Acts 2:17, 18, 33; Numbers 11:17, 25)
7. Then why is the holy spirit nameless and indistinguishable from all of the other holy spirits?
8. Then why did the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD disregard the Holy Spirit as a member of the Godhead when they made Jesus 'God' in 325 AD? Why did they wait until the Council of Constantinople in 381 AD to include the Holy Spirit in the formula?
9. Then wouldn't the water and blood be persons too according to Trinitarian reasoning and 1 John 5:8?
10. Then why is the Holy Spirit sandwiched between a list of QUALITIES at 2 Cor. 6:6?
11. Then why does the NT Greek Lexicon describes the Holy Spirit as "this" at Acts 2:33?
12. Then why is it that nowhere in the Bible is the Holy Spirit ever said to be an equal member of a trinity?
13. Then why is it that nowhere is it mentioned in the Bible the words, "God, the Holy Spirit," or "The Holy Spirit is God"?
14. Then why is it that there is never mentioned a vision, dream or clear description in scripture wherein God and the Holy Spirit are shown as the same person?
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A trinitarian cannot deny the person hood of the holy Spirit.
Yes the bible sometimes uses it for the holy spirit because the holy spirit sometimes is described in neutral form( genderless)
But nonetheless the holy Spirit is a person,
He speaks
Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
He can be grieved
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Has intelligence,
The Holy Spirit mentioned on equal level withGod
Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,"
2 Cor. 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all."
Eph. 4:4-6, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."
2 Cor. 3:16-18, "but whenever a man turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit."
Names of the Holy Spirit
Spirit of God
Rom. 8:9, "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him." See also Gen. 1:2
Spirit of Christ
Rom. 8:9, "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him."
Spirit of your Father
Matt. 10:20, "For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you."
The Spirit of Truth
John 14:17, "that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you." See also, John 15:26.
The Spirit of the Lord
Acts 8:39, "And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch saw him no more, but went on his way rejoicing." See also Judges 15:14; 1 Sam. 16:12
The Holy Spirit is referred to as a person by scripture
Who
Rom. 8:11, "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who indwells you."
John 6:63, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."
1 John 5:6, "And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth."
See also 1 Cor. 2:12; 2 Tim. 1:14;
He
John 14:26, "These things I have spoken to you, while abiding with you. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you."
Himself
Rom. 8:16, "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,"
Rom. 8:26, "And in the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;"
Personhood of the Holy Spirit (has emotions, is aware, speaks, knows, etc.)
Grieves
Isaiah 63:10, "But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit; Therefore, He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them."
Eph. 4:30, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."
Loves
Rom. 15:30, "Now I urge you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me."
Has a mind
Rom. 8:27, "and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God."
Speaks
2 Sam. 23:2, "The Spirit of the LORD spoke through me; his word was on my tongue."
Acts 8:29, "And the Spirit said to Philip, "Go up and join this chariot."
Acts 10:19, "And while Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, "Behold, three men are looking for you."
Acts 11:12, "And the Spirit told me to go with them without misgivings. And these six brethren also went with me, and we entered the man’s house."
Acts 13:2, "And while they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."
Acts 21:11, "And coming to us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, "This is what the Holy Spirit says: ‘In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’"
Acts 28:25-26, "And when they did not agree with one another, they began leaving after Paul had spoken one parting word, "The Holy Spirit rightly spoke through Isaiah the prophet to your fathers, saying, ‘Go to this people and say, "You will keep on hearing, but will not understand."
1 Tim. 4:1, "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,"
Heb. 3:7-8, "Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says, 'Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as when they provoked Me, as in the day of trial in the wilderness,"
Rev. 2:7, "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God." See also Rev. 2:11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22.
Rev. 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, "Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them."
Rev. 22:17, "And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost."
Knows
1 Cor. 2:11, "For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man, which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God."
Has an awareness of goodness
Acts 15:28, "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials."
Can be lied to
Acts 5:3, "But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back some of the price of the land?"
Can be tested
Acts 5:9, "Then Peter said to her, 'Why is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test?'"
Makes overseers
Acts 20:28, "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood."
Can be a witness
Acts 5:32, "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."
Can be resisted
Acts 7:51, "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit."
Activities of the Holy Spirit
Teaches
John 14:26, "These things I have spoken to you, while abiding with you. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you."
Luke 12:12, "for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."
Intercedes
Rom. 8:26, "And in the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;"
Leads
Matt. 4:1, "Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil."
Gives life
John 6:63, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."
Filled by
Acts 2:4, "And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance."
Forms of the Holy Spirit
Dove
Matt. 3:16, "And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him."

Miscellaneous
Can be spoken against
Matt. 12:32, "And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come."
Can be baptized with the Holy Spirit
Mark 1:8, "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
The Spirit is given
John 3:34, "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure."
The Spirit is received
John 20:22, "And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit."
The Spirit forbids
Acts 16:6, "And they passed through the Phrygian and Galatian region, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia."
The Spirit searches all things
1 Cor. 2:10, "For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God."
The Spirit is the truth
1 John 5:6, "And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth."
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
If the Trinity Doctrine is a Bible teaching...

1. Then why do NUMEROUS
encyclopedias agree that
"... the doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation; that it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian scriptures; that it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity"? – p. 34, The Church of the First Three Centuries, Alvan Lamson, D.D.

for the fact that the 66 books of the bible as we have it today never existed during the Apostles mean that it is false?
One only needs to sincerely look at the bible to understand the trinity.

[quote]2. Then why do many encyclopedias, dictionaries and other sources (including Sir Isaac Newton) agree that the "Trinity was a pagan corruption imposed on Christianity in the fourth century by Athanasius"?

pagans worship God does that mean God is of pagan origin.
Like I said you need to look at the bible to recognise trinity.

3. Then why does the Bible consistently identify God by singular person pronouns: "I, "Me," "He, and "Him" instead of "We", "Us", "They" or "Them"?

yes God used the word "us" several times in the bible.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

4. Then why does 2 Cor. 13:14 say that the Lord Jesus Christ is one individual, the Holy Spirit is another individual (whether a person or a thing), and that "GOD" IS ANOTHER DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL?

the word, holy Spirit and the Father are one God.
God is used for the father because he is the first person of the holy trinity

5. Then why is there not even one Scripture which clearly defines the Trinity?

there many verse,
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

[right]6. Then why is there not even one Scripture of a vision, dream, or CLEAR description wherein God is shown as three persons?
7. Then why is there not even one Scripture where God is described using the word "three"?[/

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
Isaiah saw the vision of the messiah,being sent by the Lord and his Spirit.
Notice how the spirit and the Lord is place on the same position as sending the messiah.

Jozzy4:


when you think you are wise , you become a fool !

from the link

" Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower , he [Russell] was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.— Colossians 1:18-20 "
* bracket mine

didn't you see the bold ?

Jesus was never the founder of your satanic religion.
It was rusell that founded it.
Mention one verse in the new testament that mention Jehovah witness.
Jehovah witness was known as heralds of Christ before it was changed are my lying?

solite3:
Jesus was never the founder of your satanic religion.
It was rusell that founded it.

Mention one verse in the new testament that mention Jehovah witness.
Jehovah witness was known as heralds of Christ before it was changed are my lying?

the bold is what have been asking you insincere fellows to prove , oga show me where Russell claim to be the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses ?

DoctorAlien:
goodnews201668,

Prov. 8:22 says: "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old." It is clear that Whoever the verse is talking about, GOD possessed/had that Person with Him ever since He Himself existed.

Verse 23 says "I was set up from everlasting..."

You JWs say Prov. 8:22 is talking about Jesus Christ. You also say Jesus Christ was created. If Jesus Christ was created, then GOD didn't possess/have Him in "the beginning of His ways." It means He came into the picture later on.

How can Jesus Christ be with GOD since "the beginning of His ways" and still be created?

And how can Jesus be set up from everlasting if He had a beginning i.e was created?

Never knew you can ask your questions without mentioning NWT

Jozzy4:


the bold is what have been asking you insincere fellows to prove , oga show me where Russell claim to be the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses ?

guy, repent or live and die as a hypocrite.

Face the truth. I know you guys are bunches of uniformed and unlearned followers, who didn't dig into the publications of Charles Taze and watch tower or watch valley or whatever you call yourselves. .

http://www.bible.ca/Jw-Prophecy.htm

http://thewatchtowerfiles.com/did-charles-taze-https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies-predict-1914-as-christs/

Open your eyes and read the lies your organisation published.

Jozzy4:


the bold is what have been asking you insincere fellows to prove , oga show me where Russell claim to be the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses ?

that's because the name Jehovah witness is unfamiliar to Russell.
He was the one who pioneered Jws movement.
He is the founder.
Jesus never said he his the founder of Jws but you lie against Jesus and deny you founder taze Russell. Russell by now would be turning in his grave or hell.

solite3:
[b] that's because the name Jehovah witness is unfamiliar to Russell.
[b]
He was the one who pioneered Jws movement.
He is the founder.
Jesus never said he his the founder of Jws but you lie against Jesus and deny you founder taze Russell. Russell by now would be turning in his grave or hell.

mtcheew , complete nonsense

Emusan:


So your organization reads into the scripture what is not there



But your organization knows the step by step how earth will become paradise.



Since you know this why are you perambulating all this while

So tell us the work that will be done.



But Jesus' LIFE FORCE was removed from a BODY, isn't it?



Life may not be tangible to you since you can create it.



Just look at the @bold and tell me how this was done if Jehovah didn't transfer anything.

You repeat it here that Jah transferred the LIFE OF HIS SON; so was the Son still in heaven after Jah used the life of His Son to fertilized the Ovum inside Mary?

Does the Son suddenly vanish out of existence after His life was used to fertile Ovum?

Was the LIFE also another PERSONALITY of the Son because I can only see that you make reference to the LIFE alone here?

If His Life wasn't another PERSONALITY, does that not make God a liar when He actually sent NOTHING and He claimed He sent His Son?



Again look at the @bold, once more; does this life force another PERSONALITY of the Son?
After the LIFE FORCE caused the conception what happened to WHOLE NATURE of the Son or does the Son only exist as LIFE FORCE?



Then what happened to the rest of Jesus Nature i.e BODY or this LIFE FORCE is the whole nature of the Son and does not reside inside any body?



Just Imaging a life will be taking from a body yet something has not been taking from that person I'll bookmark this for future reference

Let even say the life was taken and yet nothing was taken from Him, now was the divine Jesus still in heaven when the man Jesus was on earth? Because it means the Son will be intact as NOTHING has change in His nature.

About the death of Jesus as you said, that's RECREATION not RESURRECTION



OHHHH is it not the same spirit body that those who came out of resurrection will take on? This spirit body will know it's not corruptible neither destroyed.

So what happened to Jesus' body that the LIFE FORCE was removed? Because the BODY without the LIFE FORCE is dead....do you agree?





LOLzzzz it's your organization you should shake your head for not me.

ONLY myopic mind like you won't understand what that picture depicted.



Every Bible believing Christians know that Jesus entrusted His Spirit that about to leave His body to the Father, which proves that the LIFE FORCE or SPIRIT resides inside a body. Just as Jesus gave His spirit/LIFE FORCE on the cross to His Father and His BODY REMAINS there, likewise when Jah removed His LIFE FORCE before He came to earth His BODY must also remain somewhere. [size=14pt]Why will Jah kill His own DEAR SON for removing His LIFE FORCE?[/size]

In fact it's not a problem to those who believe that there is a SPIRIT inside every one that lives on after it departed from the body RATHER it should be a great problem to JWs who doesn't believe that our spirit lives on after departed from the body.

So if I may ask, what did Jesus give to His Father 1. Ordinary life like Air 2. A conscious Life?



Leave Animal out of this,

So the LIFE FORCE inside the ovum was it CONSCIOUS of Itself or just ordinary life like air?
NOTE: if it conscious of itself, that means what is inside Mary is DUALISTIC in NATURE one divine one man....but I know you won't agree with this likewise if it is not conscious it means NOTHING from the Son was inside Mary just ordinary air and both can't be true!

I do not know how this is resolved, since it is on page one of this thread. However, i notice that a lot of postulation has been made.

The bible does say that the son of Yahweh will be sent to the earth and Jesus is consistently called the son of Yahweh. It thereby means that the person that came has to be the person that was in Heaven.

My wonderment in this argument is this, what is the aspect that is inherent in this process that is considered impossible for Yahweh to do?

1. Is it impossible for Yahweh to make someone Younger or small?
2. is it the impossibility for Yahweh to give someone another body?
3. Is it the impossibility for Yahweh to transfer a person to a worm to start the process all over again?
4. Is it the Impossibility to turn Jesus into a human?
5. Is it the impossibility for Jesus to be turn wholly into an embryo in the worm of a Virgin?
6. Is it that Yahweh cannot make Jesus to be that small in a worm and come out with a physical body?
7. what really determines what qualifies as a Person?

Please, whoever wants to answer any of the above questions should think properly and based his answers from the Bible be for attempting to give an answer to those questions.

Thank you.

Peace.

Logicbwoy:



You answered my questions in a typical Jehovah's witness way.

Actually, it depends on what you wanted to hear. He is a man of faith, and in this instance, his faith is hinge on what he sees in the Bible and its promises and not on what he feels like saying.

The actions of people of faith has always puzzles people not having such faith. Considering the followers of Jesus Christ in the first century willing to die for their believes, to most, such was unreasonable, but then, such was expected of them from the one that will reward them.

They had hope for a future life, actually, hope for a better life. The fact that they wanted a life that was superior and better, an ETERNAL LIFE, they were ready to die instead, if it calls for it, in obedience to the one that will reward them with that superior life in God's kingdom. Such, for the love of life, ETERNAL LIFE.

Should they refuse to obey the life giver in an effort to save this life, at the end, they will still die naturally, but without a better prospect.


I wouldn't bother you too much, seeing that you are truly indoctrinated. You can't even see why I say that your church members are wicked. How can you look at someone dying and refuse him blood?[/quote]

Here you go again, do you wish that they go against the expressed desire and will of the subject that is sick? Again, if you were to be the giver of life, and you had given conditions for obedience for those that you will reward with eternal life, will you be willing to still reward those that disobeyed you with eternal life?

Well, Christ said it is only those that does the will of the father that will be save.
Beside, all servants of Yahweh wishes to die knowing that they were obedient and faithful to Yahweh before dying. Eternal life is an expensive preposition to lose for an uncertain prospect, not forgetting that the life you are disobeying Yahweh for is so short and fill with problems.

It is a Biblical commandment, not that of Man, Bot in NT and OT.


Are you people the only christians that read the bible?
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NO!
But Jesus never said that all saying lord lord will be saved. He said that 'only those doing the will of the father' are the ones that will be saved. Matthew 7:21.

Look round the world around you, do you think that all carrying the bible are doing what the bible says? They maybe different from the rest.

Peace

Where is the OP? He has ran away from the thread. JMAN, the guy who left church and joined falsehood of JW.

I have brought some evidences of the falsehood of his new found faith but he's been hiding.


http://thewatchtowerfiles.com/did-charles-taze-https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies-predict-1914-as-christs/

http://www.bible.ca/Jw-Prophecy.htm

Logicbwoy:



You answered my questions in a typical Jehovah's witness way.

Actually, it depends on what you wanted to hear. He is a man of faith, and in this instance, his faith is hinge on what he sees in the Bible and its promises and not on what he feels like saying.

The actions of people of faith has always puzzles people not having such faith. Considering the followers of Jesus Christ in the first century willing to die for their believes, to most, such was unreasonable, but then, such was expected of them from the one that will reward them.

Those that reject blood transfusion, They have hope for a future life, actually, a hope for a better life. The fact is that, they want a life that is superior and better, they wont gamble with it, an ETERNAL LIFE.
They were ready to die instead, if it calls for it, in obedience to the one that will reward them with that superior life in God's kingdom. Such, for the love of life, ETERNAL LIFE.
They love life, hence, they sort after quality medical treatment that will not cause them to disobey Yahweh.

Should they refuse to obey the life giver in an effort to save this life, at the end, they will still die naturally, but without a better prospect?

Logicbwoy:

I wouldn't bother you too much, seeing that you are truly indoctrinated. You can't even see why I say that your church members are wicked. How can you look at someone dying and refuse him blood?

Here you go again, do you wish that they go against the expressed desire and will of the subject that is sick? Again, if you were to be the giver of life, and you had given conditions for obedience for those that you will reward with eternal life, will you be willing to still reward those that disobeyed you with eternal life?

Well, Christ said it is only those that does the will of the father that will be save.
Beside, all servants of Yahweh wishes to die knowing that they were obedient and faithful to Yahweh before dying. Eternal life is an expensive preposition to lose for an uncertain prospect now, not forgetting that the life you are disobeying Yahweh for is so short and filled with problems.

It is a Biblical commandment, not that of Man, Both in NT and OT.

Logicbwoy:

Are you people the only christians that read the bible?

NO!
But Jesus never said that all saying lord lord will be saved. He said that 'only those doing the will of the father' are the ones that will be saved. Matthew 7:21.

Nor did he say all that reads the bible will be saved.

Look round the world around you, do you think that all carrying the bible are doing what the bible says? They maybe different from the rest.

Peace

jnrbayano:


2) How many " Everlasting fathers" do we have as recorded in the scriptures?

Isaiah 9:6

The word Eternal and everlasting is Futuristic and not necessarily concern with the past.

For instance, God said he will give humans Eternal live/Ever-lasting life, does that in any way suggest that the people that will be given this Eternal life had always existed?

If No, why are you concluding that calling Jesus Eternal/everlasting father implies that he had always existed?

Again, have you ever wondered what Adam would have been had he not sinned against Yahweh? Well, he would still have remained as our father to this day and for ever. What then would we have been calling him? Answer = He would have remain as our Eternal father.

But, as it is, Jesus bought over what Adam lost, hence, took over his place of being our father. So, Jesus became our Eternal Father.

If you look closely, you would notice that though Adam would have remained our Eternal father, that does not mean that Adam had always existed either.

So, Jesus being called Eternal/Everlasting Father, does not mean that Jesus had always existed.

Please, do not confused Eternity with eternal.

Have you ever seen were humans are being promised ETERNITY in the bible?

It is only Yahweh that is called King of Eternity

Peace.

Emusan:


Which work is he doing please?

Can you answer this: you believe some people will survive the Armageddon and that people pay the wages for their sins at death.
Now my question is; when did people who survive the Armageddon pay for their sins?

The sins of Adam have been forgiven to all sons of Adam by means of Christ Ransom sacrifice. Hence, the sin of all sons of Adam have been forgiven. All sons of Adam stands clean be for Yahweh. All sons of Adam have access to Yahweh through Jesus christ.

But the prospect of having Eternal life is open to only those that make use of this oppurtunity to make a good name with Yahweh through Jesus Christ.

Hence, the sins of all those that will be save at Armageddon were forgiven when they were alive and accepted Jesus and followed his examples.

Not accepting the son means DEATH.

Peace

Jehovah witness repent and accept Christ now!
Don't be deceived Hell is Real! Don't make this mistake you are making rebelling against your creator!

Jehovah witness repent and accept Christ now!
Don't be deceived Hell! Stop rebelling against your creator!

solite3:

Don't be deceived Hell is Real! Don't make this mistake you are making rebelling against your creator!

Lol. Can we discuss?

What do you really mean by "Hell is Real"?

What is Hell?

Do you have any plan to teach the bible to people or it is your intention to threaten People to summit?

Are you professing Christianity because of the fear For Hell?

Peace

jnrbayano:
Is Jesus Christ God, yes or no?

I saw this thread today anyway, my auestion is John 1: 1 to 3.

Is the WORD a creator or a creation?

lf the WORD is a creature, created from what?

truthislight:
The sins of Adam have been forgiven to all sons of Adam by means of Christ Ransom sacrifice. Hence, the sin of all sons of Adam have been forgiven. All sons of Adam stands clean be for Yahweh. All sons of Adam have access to Yahweh through Jesus christ.

But the prospect of having Eternal life is open to only those that make use of this oppurtunity to make a good name with Yahweh through Jesus Christ.

Hence, the sins of all those that will be save at Armageddon were forgiven when they were alive and accepted Jesus and followed his examples.

Not accepting the son means DEATH.

Peace

You're even complicating the issue the more.

JWs always quote Rom 6:23a "For the wages of sin is death;..." which means once a person died the person had paid for his/her sins.

Please, which sins these people paid for again if Jehovah had already forgiven the sons of Adam's sin

Unless if you don't want to tell me that your organization don't use this particular verse to proof forgiveness of people's sins.

And it also means nobody living on earth before/after Jesus' death sins against Jehovah anymore...that's wonderful!!!

truthislight:
I do not know how this is resolved, since it is on page one of this thread. However, i notice that a lot of postulation has been made.

Sorry, you people couldn't resolve anything just normal way of dodging and escape.

The bible does say that the son of Yahweh will be sent to the earth and Jesus is consistently called the son of Yahweh. It thereby means that the person that came has to be the person that was in Heaven.

Yes! That even this Son is also living in Heaven with Yahweh.

My wonderment in this argument is this, what is the aspect that is inherent in this process that is considered impossible for Yahweh to do?

No aspect was considered as impossible for Yahweh since The Son actually came and gone.

1. Is it impossible for Yahweh to make someone Younger or small?
2. is it the impossibility for Yahweh to give someone another body?
3. Is it the impossibility for Yahweh to transfer a person to a worm to start the process all over again?
4. Is it the Impossibility to turn Jesus into a human?

Yahweh can do ALL THINGS as He wills

5. Is it the impossibility for Jesus to be turn wholly into an embryo in the worm of a Virgin?
6. Is it that Yahweh cannot make Jesus to be that small in a worm and come out with a physical body?

All these won't save you from dodging my point.

All I'm saying is this, the Son of Yahweh is a PERSON and Yahweh said He will send His Son to Earth and your organization said Yahweh ONLY TRANSFERED this Son's life to earth.

1. Where is the body that this life was removed Since you believe the spiritual beings have a body.
2. Life to you is nothing but an ordinary force, this means Yahweh didn't send anything

7. what really determines what qualifies as a Person?

Is Yahweh Himself not a person save us this please.

Please, whoever wants to answer any of the above questions should think properly and based his answers from the Bible be for attempting to give an answer to those questions.

Thank you.

Peace.

Your questions are so baseless, so spare us that and tackle my points.

You can get more of this by checking this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/3325199/jehovah-witness-jesus-he

truthislight:


Lol. Can we discuss?

What do you really mean by "Hell is Real"?

What is Hell?

Do you have any plan to teach the bible to people or it is your intention to threaten People to summit?

Are you professing Christianity because of the fear For Hell?

Peace

yes hell real! Jesus warned against going to hell more than he taught about heaven.

If you don't know, know now that God is a consuming fire.
If you feel threatened by it, well its a pity because whether you are threatened or not it doesn't reduce the reality of Hell!

truthislight:


Lol. Can we discuss?

What do you really mean by "Hell is Real"?

What is Hell?

Do you have any plan to teach the bible to people or it is your intention to threaten People to summit?

Are you professing Christianity because of the fear For Hell?

Peace

Why would you not preach the danger of hell?

"Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of GOD, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" Heb. 10:29.

truthislight:

What is Hell?

Do you have any plan to teach the bible to people or it is your intention to threaten People to summit?

Are you professing Christianity because of the fear For Hell?

Peace

@bold-but it isn't a threat to tell someone that Jehovah will soon destroy over 6 Billions people in Armageddon?