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| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Sanchez01: 5:19pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Maximus85:Actually, the Bible doesn't say anything about blood transfusions. Scripture tell us not to EAT blood (i.e. in Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 7:26; 17:12-14; 19:26, etc.); and getting transfusions doesn't equate to "eating" the blood. The gist is that we are not to make a ritual of it like the pagans do. Does that mean we cannot put the same "type" of blood into a brother to save his life if his own is poisoned or draining out? That's a great question....YHWH gave us brains and knowledge to save lives; and doctors have figured out that blood transfusions are one possible way to do that. Actually, the only instruction we can see in the Bible concerning blood is that it must be poured out onto earth, which is in reference to dead creatures. In other words, we are not to be using the blood/life from a dead creature because when a creature is finished "using" its life, its life is to be returned to YHWH (Ecclesiastes 12:7), because it belongs to God who is the giver of life (Psalms 24:1, Isaiah 42:5, 1 Corinthians 10:26). YHWH forbade the eating of blood (Leviticus 7:26-27, Leviticus 17:10, 12-14, Acts 15:29), but in all cases it is in regard to the blood from animals, not from humans. In any case, 1) we don't sacrifice humans, and 2) we don't consume human flesh, and 3) we don't "drink" human blood" when we receive a transfusion. We know that the 10 plagues in the Exodus were because the plagues represented Egyptian "gods". Scripture itself does not say this, but we can know this by understanding what scripture says and comparing it to our knowledge of Egyptian culture in the era. In the same way, the command not to "eat blood" as we know, is because we are to show respect for life and not do as the pagans did which showed no respect for life. In Leviticus 17:13-16 we find this: 13"When someone from the community of Isra'el or one of the foreigners living with you hunts and catches game, whether animal or bird that may be eaten, he is to pour out its blood and cover it with earth. 14 For the life of every creature - its blood is its life. Therefore I said to the people of Isra'el, 'You are not to eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it will be cut off.' 15 "Anyone eating an animal that dies naturally or is torn to death by wild animals, whether he is a citizen or a foreigner, is to wash his clothes and bathe himself in water; he will be unclean until evening; then he will be clean. 16 But if he doesn't wash them or bathe his body, he will bear the consequences of his wrongdoing." Note that in verse 13-14 we find the rule for preparing game. Kill it, drain it, eat it. But in verse 15 we find that if an animal is found already dead, you can eat it, but you are "unclean." Is that because you "ate blood"? No! It is because you touched a corpse! See Leviticus 11:39-40, which says: 39 "'If an animal of a kind that you are permitted to eat dies, whoever touches its carcass will be unclean until evening. 40 A person who eats meat from its carcass or carries its carcass is to wash his clothes; he will be unclean until evening." It is the fact that the (edible) animal died, and no one could show respect for it by properly draining its "life"; and so even though you may eat the animal which died naturally, you are unclean as a result. Let's go back to the first place we learn of the "blood" issue. It's in Genesis 9: 2 The fear and dread of you will be upon every wild animal, every bird in the air, every creature populating the ground, and all the fish in the sea; they have been handed over to you. 3 Every moving thing that lives will be food for you; just as I gave you green plants before, so now I give you everything - 4 only flesh with its life, which is its blood, you are not to eat. 5 I will certainly demand an accounting for the blood of your lives: I will demand it from every animal and from every human being. I will demand from every human being an accounting for the life of his fellow human being. 6 Whoever sheds human blood, by a human being will his own blood be shed; for God made human beings in his image. Why could this be so important to YHWH, that we are permitted to eat the meat, but not the blood, even though we know that properly drained, there is STILL blood in meat that we eat? Well, I believe the answer is found here: Deuteronomy 12: 20 "When ADONAI your God expands your territory, as he has promised you, and you say, 'I want to eat meat,' simply because you want to eat meat, then you may eat meat, as much as you want.21 If the place which ADONAI your God chooses to place his name is too far away from you; then you are to slaughter animals from your cattle or sheep, which ADONAI has given you; and eat on your own property, as much as you want. 22 Eat it as you would gazelle or deer; the unclean and clean alike may eat it. 23 Just take care not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you are not to eat the life with the meat. 24 Don't eat it, but pour it out on the ground like water. 25 Do not eat it, so that things will go well with you and with your children after you, as you do what ADONAI sees as right. 26 Only the things set aside for God which you have, and the vows you have vowed to make, you must take and go to the place which ADONAI will choose. 27 There you will offer your burnt offerings, the meat and the blood, on the altar of ADONAI your God. The blood of your sacrifices is to be poured out on the altar of ADONAI your God, and you will eat the meat. 28 Obey and pay attention to everything I am ordering you to do, so that things will go well with you and with your descendants after you forever, as you do what ADONAI sees as good and right. 29 "When ADONAI your God has cut off ahead of you the nations you are entering in order to dispossess, and when you have dispossessed them and are living in their land; 30 be careful, after they have been destroyed ahead of you, not to be trapped into following them; so that you inquire after their gods and ask, 'How did these nations serve their gods? I want to do the same.'31 You must not do this to ADONAI your God! For they have done to their gods all the abominations that ADONAI hates! They even burn up their sons and daughters in the fire for their gods! 32 "Everything I am commanding you, you are to take care to do. Do not add to it or subtract from it. Read verse 28, then read from verse 30. Verse 30 says "be careful, after they have been destroyed ahead of you, not to be trapped into following them; so that you inquire after their gods and ask, 'How did these nations serve their gods? I want to do the same.' You must not do this to ADONAI your God! For they have done to their gods all the abominations that ADONAI hates! " - these verses indicate how these the "nations" served their "gods", i.e., the pagans drank the blood! So what have we learned? We've learned that the prohibition of drinking blood is for drinking blood of slain (edible) animals only. We are to drain that blood to the earth. Drinking blood, as the pagans did, is an abomination to YHWH, and we are to take care not to do that. We are to show respect for the life in the animal we eat and drain its blood onto the earth. So are transfusions OK? Most certainly they are! First, no human was slain to get the blood. Second, no blood was "consumed" in any pagan ritual which is an abomination to YHWH. Third, according to Genesis 9:5, we will be required to present an accounting for the life of our fellow human being. If a transfusion can save lives, then it should not be denied, and it is not against the will of YHWH. When the Torah was recorded by Moshe, electricity was not known either, yet today, since YHWH has allowed us to use the brains He gave us, electricity is used in all sorts of positive ways - and negative ways! (No pun intended!) Don't be dismayed by medical advances! They are in no way "playing God"! But, you are correct to be wary of medical procedures "just because we can." For example, today, we can keep "the body" alive at will! We know enough to keep "the body" alive, perhaps forever, by mechanically circulating oxygenated blood and nutrients to the brain and organs, but is that "life"? It is only when medical technology extends its value that it becomes a problem. I hope this is clear, as it is not simple! I'm lazy, sorry http://www.therefinersfire.org/blood_transfusions.htm |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by cherryice(f): 5:20pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
themall:You not answering the question. Ok let me rephrase - Do you guys believe that anyone who marries outside your belief is out of the Lord? |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Nobody: 5:21pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
mayorbch:Did the first christian church continue the Saturday-practice after the death of Jesus Christ? I wish someone is able to throw more light on this |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by victorvezx(m): 5:23pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
I won't lie, jehovah witness members disgust me. They are so full of falsehood that would make Jesus be shaking his head in annoyance. This people just interpret the bible upside down. No wonder they are a very tiny minority in the Christian denomination, because real Christians find JW beliefs as very extreme and pure falsehood. I pray Jesus shows them the light and forgive them. The really need Jesus |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Sayelabola(m): 5:25pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Logicbwoy:Fire on, brother.
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| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by bezimo(m): 5:25pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Why are you Jehovah witness folks passionate about perverting and twisting the Pure and True gospel of Jesus Christ and in so doing deceiving many into hell.Why? Especially on Jesus teachings on the reality of hell fire and the reality of the Person of the Holy Spirit among others. |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Sanchez01: 5:26pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
themall:Unfortunately no, paganism overwhelmed the church and the church shifted the Sabbath day to the day of the Sun, just as we have today. However, the Sabbath was an instruction to the old Israel and not Christians. |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by DoctorAlien(m): 5:26pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2. The Bible says Jesus' goings forth have been from old, from everlasting. How then could He have been created? Cc: indigene. |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Sanchez01: 5:28pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
victorvezx:Calm down. We must respect their views and beliefs. Almost all Christian doctrines are perverted, just that the level of perversion is higher and very glaring in some. |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Maximus85(m): 5:31pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
alolatee:Because your pastor knows nothing from the scriptures and he's afraid of admiting it. How many times in the Bible did Jesus continually said The one who sent him is greater than him. All those times he prayed, who was he praying to? Praying to himself. "Let us be one" Does this mean we are all equal or the same? If you can't attend a meeting but you sent your well informed son, will they say they didn't see you at the meeting? God sent Jesus, Jesus said if you've seen me you've seen the father. Does this mean they are equal or the same? This is the simplest knowledge in the Bible. And it hurts how people has failed to understand. |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by sammhi(m): 5:31pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
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| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Nobody: 5:31pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Sanchez01:1. [size=14pt]No human life?! [/size]But where is the life represented? 2. [size=15pt]no blood was "consumed" in any pagan ritual?![/size] But is it OK if it was consumed in a christian ceremony?! 3. [size=16pt]If a transfusion can save lives, then it should not be denied[/size] I agree with you on this in a secular world that really does not believe in GOD but reality. I AGREE THAT WHAT GOD SAYS IS ALWAYS SECONDARY |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by fisman19(m): 5:34pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
JMAN05:LOL |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by TheFLIRT(m): 5:37pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
alolatee:Your pastor should be dragged out in public and stoned to death. |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Maximus85(m): 5:37pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
jnrbayano:Hmmm. Of course Jesus is a god. A mighty god but he's not the Almighty God. Simple English. Compare in your Bible. Jesus never called himself God. What did he say when someone called him GOOD? |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Sanchez01: 5:41pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
themall:The life is represented in the blood but the instruction given before some sect twisted it is simple; not to EAT blood (i.e. in Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 7:26; 17:12-14; 19:26, etc.); and getting transfusions doesn't equate to "eating" the blood. Your number two shows you're clearly not in the know about most pagan practices. Please take your time to read https://firstlightforum./2012/10/25/why-the-jews-sacrifice-babies-and-eat-gentile-blood-in-the-matzo/ Take your time to also find out how blood sausages came to be. |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Nobody: 5:42pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
cherryice:If you're not married I would have wished to perform the experiment with those who know the answer. But the catholic church has a long time belief that there is no salvation ex-cathedra. The RCCG is also towing the same line. 1. So if you're a member of an Orthodox church then you're not-in-the-lord with a Pentecostal 2. So if you're a member of a Pentecostal church then you're not in the lord with a Protestant 3. So if you're a member of a Protestant church then you're not in the lord with an Orthodox Nigerians who like to play the Ostrich often pretend this is not true. But you can not be in the lord with me for example, if your Church allows homosexual priest to be pastors! Bottom line... |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Marvel1206: 5:45pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Chai.. Jehovah witnesses bad pass atheist o.. Dem dey inteprete bible upside down.. Imagine the verse jhman05 quoted to defend blood transfusion which didn't even correlate with what is being discussed.. And his opinion on not singing the national anthem as Jesus clearly stated that give what belongs to ceasar to ceasar and what belongs to God to God... Arguing with them is like trying to alert a blind, deaf and dumb man walking 10metres on a railway from an incoming train are you thinking what i'm thinking? ![]() Bound for destruction unless a miracle happens |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Alexandro15: 5:45pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
italianjob:Oh yes. I do |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Nobody: 5:46pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
JMAN05:What no?!? I was scrolling down to see ur answers but sir, for this single answer, i stop scroling. John 10:30 "I and the father are one." should be enough for you or 1col. 1:15 "He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God..." there are alot of scripture verse that proves Jesus is God. It's clear that JW don't believe in trinity! |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Marvel1206: 5:46pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Chai.. Jehovah witnesses bad pass atheist o.. Dem dey inteprete bible upside down.. Imagine the verse jman05 quoted to defend blood transfusion which didn't even correlate with what is being discussed.. And his opinion on not singing the national anthem as Jesus clearly stated that give what belongs to ceasar to ceasar and what belongs to God to God... Arguing with them is like trying to alert a blind, deaf and dumb man walking 10metres on a railway from an incoming train are you thinking what i'm thinking? ![]() Bound for destruction unless a miracle happens |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Nobody: 5:47pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Sanchez01:This twist is also a theology. And No, you're right, am not in the know about most pagan practices...But am always skeptical about theologians....all of them |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Pidggin(f): 5:48pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Efisko1:Yes, they don't |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Nobody: 5:49pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Marvel1206:Sitting in the seat of MOSES. kontinu |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Maximus85(m): 5:49pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
JMAN05:Sincerely, I commend you for your patience and tactfulness at answering these questions. The truth is, I've done this before and it didn't end well. The more you try to help some see the truth, the more many will come to confuse them again. It's like fetching water into a basket. I'll suggest we continue with our normal house to house and one on one witnessing and beg Jehovah to bless our sincere effort. Like Jehovah has promised, he will speed it up in his own time. And we will continue to pray to Jehovah to help them know the truth. Why would we spend our time and energy trying to deceive people? www.jw.org is the best place they can go to find answers to all their questions. Well done bro. |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Marvel1206: 5:50pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
NehemiahM:don't you know they don't? |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by figoperch: 5:50pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
JMAN05:Is your action of coming here to stir up controverises supported by the faithful and discreet slave? Many would see this as an opportunity to profane the true God. Is that what you want? What congregation do u attend sef? |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by sammhi(m): 5:51pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
oneolajire:answers to your 1. JW preaches to all sorts of people. going from house to house , how will a JW know who is a christian or not ? however, even so called christians need to be taught as many do not REALLY undestand the bible . Jesus started his preaching with the JEWS despite them having direct SCRIPTURES from GOD through Moses 2.I dont know where you get such idea from that JW FEELS CHURCHES ARE SHRINES . Church is not the building but the people. hence, the right word is Congregation. This is why JW uses the word congregation to refer to the people and Hall of worship as Kingdom hall. 3.you say many things that are not true. JW dont preach to Juju men or the likes ..really? have you gone with them on their house to house preaching to know this? truth is , JW dont dramatise their preaching or successes over unclean spirit. believe it or not, many Babalawo or so called Juju men became JW on knowing that they could not harm the witnesses who comes to preach to them . 4.what does the bible really teach? it is not what you believe or not , but what the bible says ! please read eccl 9: 5 . THIS verse tells you the condition of the dead. when lazarus died, read what the sister, martha said about him john 11: vs 23, 24 and read what Jesus said in John 5vs 28,29 on the condition of the dead. 5.Jesus himself says he came to do God will. he refused when people called him GOOD. JW recognize Jesus role as king of God kingdom. JW regard and accept JESUS as lord nd savior . BUT THEY ALSO KNOW THAT THERE IS A SUPREME RULER ! 6.JW never says no hell or lake of fire . but your interpretation is what differs. 7.if Jesus is not an angel , what is he ? human ?or what sort of spirit is he ? common, so when you hear" officers and men of the armed forces" the officers are not men? you hear of Kabiyesi and his palace messengers, is the kabiyesi not a human ? so what is God himself ? let the bible teach you. problem with you is that you wont study the bible . you are already biased . who is going to terminate the devil? Jesus or another angel? the bible state that Jesus is coming with an Arch ANGEL VOICE Revelation chapter 12 describes how the devil was chased from heaven by the arch Angel? who did that? another Angel or Jesus ? 8.I dont understand this your point....That JW says no one is in heaven. so where is GOd? where are the angels? i dont understand you. 9.GOD JEHOVAH operate in different ways . one of the way is sending JESUS down to earth . bible clearly states that JEHOVAH is one. you claim he is 3. really? can there be 3 kings on one throne ? if JESUS is GOD JEHOVAH, why will Jesus , whilst on earth says the father sent him on numerous instances he said this. will BUhari says he was sent by Osinbajo or one of his minister if decides to visit lagos or any other state in nigeria ? but Osinbajo will and can say he was sent by Buhari this is common sense now. Jesus , admitting he was sent shows who is superior 10.JW never anticipate to inherit all those things you mention.(Dangote buildings and wealth bla, bla ) in fact, those things will be destroyed. all of them . no serious JW member will envy Dangote or Zuckerburg. what God promises is far much better than the worldly wealth of your so called rich men. the earth will be rebuilt into beautiful new world where righteousness will dwell 1 peter 3: 13, isaaih 65 vs 19 . 11.you confuse OR DONT UNDERSTAND the meaning of Pauls letter. it is beyond the participation. what fellowship does light has with darkness. while the world is busy and are frenzied into such competition, JW are busy in the Kingdom work. also, we dont participate because we wont have enough time for Godly devotion. 1 Tim 4:8. 12. this was answered in previous posts (about blood transfusion) 13.this has also been addressed in previous posts |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by figoperch: 5:52pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Maximus85:It is wrong to come to nairaland to do what he's trying to do. The faithful slave doesn't even encourage it. It will only end up in more profanity of the true God. |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Marvel1206: 5:52pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
themall:how u take seat in the of moses nah |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Maximus85(m): 5:54pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
Marvel1206:You can use worse language on us. It won't stop us from doing what we believe in. If you feel we turn the Bible upside down, maybe it's because we could see and understand it better. There's a big curse on anyone who adds and remove from the Bible. Jehovah's witnesses know this. But there are certain people who removed God's name from the Bible. What do you know? |
| Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Nobody: 5:57pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
JMAN05:wrong expectation as in wrong prophesy? Prophesy comes from God, if you had believed it was a prophesy but never came to pass, then i doubt the prophet, also doubt the source! It means it wasn't God that revealed it. Why would you follow man's prediction in the first place? |
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