ajanma2:
I have been so confused for a while now about what happens to our souls after death...many people believe after death comes judgement.. meaning,those who are dead now are either in heaven or hell or purgatory. in reference to the scripture''its appointed unto man to die after that comes judgment''..so now the question is,why is Jesus coming on the last day to judge the living and the dead since we have already been judged immediately after death..is the judgment twice?. where are the souls that have died now?pls share ur suggestion

what happens to humans when they die? bible answers

King James Version
Ec 9:5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ec 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ec 9:10Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Ge 3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Ps 115:17The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Ps 146:4His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

raphieMontella:

can it even exist? As presented by the bible?
''body going into hell''..matthew 10:28,,,gnashing of teeth. Etc...
How are they not physical?

I'll be lying if I say these things do not confuse me. But there's so much we don't we don't know and will probably never know. But why risk it?

When one dies one goes to that regions in the ethereal world which he has created for himself, where similar species of same weight. Density, lightness belongs according to law of attraction of homogeneous species. So if one has been doing evil on earth after death he goes to were they are pipo who committed the same sins, so there they will be hurting themselves, until one is truly tied of such life an call for help. But let me say here if you don't know the laws of creation aright and live according to it when such as departed this earth life ge would be blind, deaf, even paralysed. That's how it is at d region because that what he has created for himself.

Wilgrea7:


that's talking about the lake of fire... not the popular fiery place unrighteous people go after death... also

2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.



eternal/everlasting fire turns to ash... that's the example of what eternal fire does... destroys completely for ever... this destruction occurs in the lake of fire... what other points do u have??

Eternal fire there refers to fire from God. Why do you people like giving yourselves false hope? It is clearly written that the lake of fire will burn forever why do you people like to moderate the message there? Your changing it does not change it. Hope you know?

honourhim:


Eternal fire there refers to fire from God. Why do you people like giving yourselves false hope?

exactly... the same fire that turned Sodom and Gomorrah to ash.. its the fire from God

Wilgrea7:


exactly... the same fire that turned Sodom and Gomorrah to ash.. its the fire from God

It turned them to ashes because this present physical world and the happenings in it are meant to be temporal so there is no way the fire would have burnt them eternally.

honourhim:


Eternal fire there refers to fire from God. Why do you people like giving yourselves false hope? It is clearly written that the lake of fire will burn forever why do you people like to moderate the message there? Your changing it does not change it. Hope you know?

you ignore the verses that talk about anhilation but accept the unexplained ones that talk about eternal torment

before u use the book of revelation to say the lake of fire burns forever remember 2 things

1.. the book of revelation is highly symbolic as the beasts and the marks are not literal

2. the word for ever has been used in the bible to mean till the end of life or for a period or till that thing is accomplished

take Jonah for example who said “ the earth held me in her bars for ever and ever ” meanwhile it was just 3 days or the command God gave someone to serve another person for ever which was to mean till the person dies

the people thrown in the lake of fire will be there until their punishment according to their crimes is fulfilled. but the end of the wicked remains destruction

Wilgrea7:


you ignore the verses that talk about anhilation but accept the unexplained ones that talk about eternal torment

before u use the book of revelation to say the lake of fire burns forever remember 2 things

1.. the book of revelation is highly symbolic as the beasts and the marks are not literal

2. the word for ever has been used in the bible to mean till the end of life or for a period or till that thing is accomplished

take Jonah for example who said “ the earth held me in her bars for ever and ever ” meanwhile it was just 3 days or the command God gave someone to serve another person for ever which was to mean till the person dies

the people thrown in the lake of fire will be there until their punishment according to their crimes is fulfilled. but the end of the wicked remains destruction

Dont deceive yourself bro. Nobody is forcing you to believe in lake of fire so this idea of trying to make it look temporal against what the bible said is a height of deceit that wont do you any good at all.
Jesus spoke severally about the everlasting torment by fire in the book of Matthew, Mark, Luke. If you want to shy away from the one written in Revelation then you cant run away from the one Jesus said.
Ask yourself this question- Why will God raise sinners up from death if it is only to burn them temporarily? Some of this people died hundreds of years ago and have turned to sand so why wake them up only to burn them off again? Face the truth and stop giving yourself false hope. Lake of fire will burn its occupant eternally.

honourhim:


Dont deceive yourself bro. Nobody is forcing you to believe in lake of fire so this idea of trying to make it look temporal against what the bible said is a height of deceit that wont do you any good at all.
Jesus spoke severally about the everlasting torment by fire in the book of Matthew, Mark, Luke. If you want to shy away from the one written in Revelation then you cant run away from the one Jesus said.
Ask yourself this question- Why will God raise sinners up from death if it is only to burn them temporarily? Some of this people died hundreds of years ago and have turned to sand so why wake them up only to burn them off again? Face the truth and stop giving yourself false hope. Lake of fire will burn its occupant eternally.

they will be punished according to their crimes.. the wages of sin is death not eternal torment

concerning Jesus teachings on hell I've clarified that somewhere

Wilgrea7:



sheol is what was translated as hell in the old testament.


Jesus used Gehenna when referring to hell a number of times in the new testament.



and concerning the hell of the old testament and new testament... depends on where they were used... Sheol is what is translated as hell in the old testament and it has no record of having fire... eyehategod was correct when he said all the dead went there.


concerning the worms dying not.. that is gehenna... the refuse dump outside Jerusalem.. its the word that was used in the original Hebrew scroll so pls stop misquoting me and stop deceiving yourself. Gehenna was a refuse dump where dead bodies of enemies were thrown and trash was burnt... and if u think the worm dieth not means eternal torment then take a look at this scripture

Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the CARCASES of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

carcase means the body of a dead thing and not of something alive nd in eternal torment... unquenchable fire is a fire u cannot escape from... it will totally reduce to ash

more questions are welcomed

Wilgrea7:


depends on what u call hell.. there are three or four translations of the original hebrew Aramaic texts as hell

1. sheol
2.tarsus or something like that
3. genehha

sheol is what is translated as hell in the old testament... if u doubt me then do your research..

p.s .. there is no record of fire in sheol

ok... to the part where the fire is not quenched... u cannot quench God's fire.. just like sodom and Gomorrah... the fire cannot be quenched by anybody.. if u like run into a river or ocean.. it will still burn u until you've been totally destroyed (turned to ash) just like Sodom and Gomorrah

still the same thing... visit the links below for clarification

http://biblelight.net/hell.htm
http://www.hellhadesafterlife.com/hell/what-bible-says-about-hell

p.s.... I'm not a jw

Wilgrea7:



they will be punished according to their crimes.. the wages of sin is death not eternal torment

concerning Jesus teachings on hell I've clarified that somewhere

If the wages of sin is physical death as you are interpreting iti. why would sinners who are dead several years ago still be raised up to be dead again? If the wages of sin is this physical type of death then the righteous shouldnt die at all.

Mark 3;29 talked about eternal damnation.

You are trying so hard to shy away from what Jesus said just to run away from your fears.
Matthew 25;46 talked about everlasting punishment.

honourhim:


If the wages of sin is physical death as you are interpreting iti. why would sinners who are dead several years ago still be raised up to be dead again? If the wages of sin is this physical type of death then the righteous shouldnt die at all.

Mark 3;29 talked about eternal damnation.

You are trying so hard to shy away from what Jesus said just to run away from your fears.
Matthew 25;46 talked about everlasting punishment.

u call them dead... the bible says they are sleeping.. Jesus himself usually used the word sleep for people who are dead

“fear him who is able to destroy both body and soul in hell".
on the last day the wicked will be destroyed.... both body and soul..
it is an eternal punishment because the destruction lasts for all eternity.... note i said destruction not torment... they can never be resurrected.. they are destroyed... erased out of existence

"But the wicked shall perish , and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away ." Psalms 37:20.

"As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God ." Psalms 68:2.

"And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts." Malachi 4:3.

"For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and
the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch ." Malachi 4:1.

"All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and
never shalt thou be any more ." Ezekiel 28:19.

"For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be : yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be." Psalms 37:10.


if you examine the second verse quoted you will see the relationship between it and this one

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

only if u understand the meaning of forever and ever as i stated before will you see the connection between the two verses (ps 68:2 and rev 14:10-11) . tormented in the presence of the lamb and perish in the presence of God... they are not contradictory but complementary. they will be tormented according to their crimes and doings.. but their end is to perish(die) in the presence of God

i would also really appreciate if you could actually prove my points wrong. you've put forth scriptures and i have tried to explain them and given u verses that explain them like in the case of eternal fire and worm dieth not.. since you say the lake of fire is endless burning for all of eternity regardless of crimes i would really appreciate if you could then explain the verses i quoted above that explain the ones u quoted and talk about eternal destruction.

i really hope I'm not arguing with a dogma.. i would like to learn but first u need to prove your points to me rather than just telling me that I'm shying away from the truth.. if i wanted to twist the scripture i would simply quote old testament verses that say when you die you just cease to exist. but i don't like quoting things out of context. if u claim I'm preaching a lie then prove it by explaining the things i told u to

thanks

Ranchhoddas:
I'll be lying if I say these things do not confuse me. But there's so much we don't we don't know and will probably never know. But why risk it?

i believe ''it'' was written at a time when
people had no idea pain stems from the body..and felt pain stems from the immaterial 'I' kinda..

chimillzz:
When one dies one goes to that regions in the ethereal world which he has created for himself, where similar species of same weight. Density, lightness belongs according to law of attraction of homogeneous species. So if one has been doing evil on earth after death he goes to were they are pipo who committed the same sins, so there they will be hurting themselves, until one is truly tied of such life an call for help. But let me say here if you don't know the laws of creation aright and live according to it when such as departed this earth life ge would be blind, deaf, even paralysed. That's how it is at d region because that what he has created for himself.

How did you come about this information?

raphieMontella:

i believe ''it'' was written at a time when
people had no idea pain stems from the body..and felt pain stems from the immaterial 'I' kinda..

Still very risky, considering the millions of people screaming it daily. I know it's fallacious reasoning but.....well....

Ranchhoddas:
Still very risky, considering the millions of people screaming it daily. I know it's fallacious reasoning but.....well....

screaming?----evangelicals?
Or supposed visits to hell?

raphieMontella:
screaming?----evangelicals? Or supposed visits to hell?

Both!

Ranchhoddas:
Both!

not impressed by any!

Wilgrea7:



u call them dead... the bible says they are sleeping.. Jesus himself usually used the word sleep for people who are dead

“fear him who is able to destroy both body and soul in hell".
on the last day the wicked will be destroyed.... both body and soul..
it is an eternal punishment because the destruction lasts for all eternity.... note i said destruction not torment... they can never be resurrected.. they are destroyed... erased out of existence

"But the wicked shall perish , and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away ." Psalms 37:20.

"As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God ." Psalms 68:2.

"And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts." Malachi 4:3.

"For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and
the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch ." Malachi 4:1.

"All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and
never shalt thou be any more ." Ezekiel 28:19.

"For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be : yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be." Psalms 37:10.


if you examine the second verse quoted you will see the relationship between it and this one

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

only if u understand the meaning of forever and ever as i stated before will you see the connection between the two verses (ps 68:2 and rev 14:10-11) . tormented in the presence of the lamb and perish in the presence of God... they are not contradictory but complementary. they will be tormented according to their crimes and doings.. but their end is to perish(die) in the presence of God

i would also really appreciate if you could actually prove my points wrong. you've put forth scriptures and i have tried to explain them and given u verses that explain them like in the case of eternal fire and worm dieth not.. since you say the lake of fire is endless burning for all of eternity regardless of crimes i would really appreciate if you could then explain the verses i quoted above that explain the ones u quoted and talk about eternal destruction.

i really hope I'm not arguing with a dogma.. i would like to learn but first u need to prove your points to me rather than just telling me that I'm shying away from the truth.. if i wanted to twist the scripture i would simply quote old testament verses that say when you die you just cease to exist. but i don't like quoting things out of context. if u claim I'm preaching a lie then prove it by explaining the things i told u to

thanks

Friend, you are just doing abracadabra with the scripture just to frame up a torment that will not last forever. I have nothing to gain if people are tormented forever. I am just stating things how it is. No matter how scary the message may appear, it has to be delivered rather than trying to adulterate it.

Yes the bible said the dead in Christ are sleeping but they are also referred to as dead in the bible.
John 11;11-14
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.



The verses you quoted did not in any way explain the one i quoted, you just mixed things up. The explanation you gave to forever and ever is really funny. When it is forever and ever or eternal you start painting it as temporal but when it is destruction you dont paint, it becomes a one-off thing.

This issue has been argued over and over in this forum. We cant keep going round. Those who wants to give themselves false hope of temporary punishment can go ahead. The issue of our eternal destinations is what everyone must face (either heaven or hell). There is no unbeliever in hell fire. Anybody who finds himself there will not need to doubt it again.

raphieMontella:

not impressed by any!

Its reality is not dependent on your being impressed. Even if all of us say we are not impressed it still doesnt change anything

raphieMontella:

i believe ''it'' was written at a time when
people had no idea pain stems from the body..and felt pain stems from the immaterial 'I' kinda..

Assuming what you said is true, tell me another fallacious belief that still has growing influence over millions of people across the globe for over these hundreds upon hundreds of years and still counting irregardless of several efforts that people like you have made over these years to wipe out this influence.

Wilgrea7:



you and eyehategod are misunderstanding what I'm saying... sheol is what was translated as hell in the old testament.

Jesus used Gehenna when referring to hell a number of times in the new testament.

you claim the hebrew interpretation is gibberish... yet it was from there that the bible you have now was translated... so who's now saying gibberish??

and concerning the hell of the old testament and new testament... depends on where they were used... Sheol is what is translated as hell in the old testament and it has no record of having fire... eyehategod was correct when he said all the dead went there.


concerning the worms dying not.. that is gehenna... the refuse dump outside Jerusalem.. its the word that was used in the original Hebrew scroll so pls stop misquoting me and stop deceiving yourself. Gehenna was a refuse dump where dead bodies of enemies were thrown and trash was burnt... and if u think the worm dieth not means eternal torment then take a look at this scripture

Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the CARCASES of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

carcase means the body of a dead thing and not of something alive nd in eternal torment... unquenchable fire is a fire u cannot escape from... it will totally reduce to ash

more questions are welcomed

Useless Hebrew translation used to take advantage of the credibility/genuine truth of God's word especially by false prophets, and known Muslim scholars. You're just another disciple of theirs.

With all your long essay, you have not been able to tell me why the new testament explains that there is fire in Hell. or Sheol as proudly deceive yourself.

And as for that verse you quoted out of context Isaiah 66:28 pls start reading from verse 15 down and you can see its talking about the final judgement of sinners. When the righteous will behold them suffering.

Also another hard one to chew.

Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beastand the false prophetare, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

REVELATIONS 14:11"And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."

Weah96:


So hell is really on earth, I mean, within the rock called earth? Zillions of planets in the universe and your god chooses to conduct all of his business here?

The star's were made to tell the wonders and ability of God.
Several Christians have seen revelations where they were taken on a journey to he'll. And yes it is in the earth.

Also see the story of Moses, and Koram and Abiram rebels Numbers 16. How the children of Koram Dathan and Abiram went down to hell alive because they rebelled against God's servant, Moses.

honourhim:



Its reality is not dependent on your being impressed. Even if all of us say we are not impressed it still doesnt change anything

its not reality..
The way presented by the book is ---impossible(if im to take the word of ''soul'')
the supposed testimonies have majorly been jokes...they dont even ''rhyme''...
Different people throwing in different things about the ''one'' place they visited...

MrPRevailer:


Useless Hebrew translation used to take advantage of the credibility/genuine truth of God's word especially by false prophets, and known Muslim scholars. You're just another disciple of theirs.

With all your long essay, you have not been able to tell me why the new testament explains that there is fire in Hell. or Sheol as proudly deceive yourself.

And as for that verse you quoted out of context Isaiah 66:28 pls start reading from verse 15 down and you can see its talking about the final judgement of sinners. When the righteous will behold them suffering.

Also another hard one to chew.

Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beastand the false prophetare, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

REVELATIONS 14:11"And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."

you guys are always quick to quote revelations but u forget 2 things

1. the nature of forever and ever as used in the bible
2. revelation is highly symbolic


again... u claim the Hebrew translations from which your bible was formed is useless.. well that should tell u enough about the latter.. so what you're trying to say is that the original language z garbage but the English translation is more authentic... pls wake up

Wilgrea7:



you guys are always quick to quote revelations but u forget 2 things

1. the nature of forever and ever as used in the bible
2. revelation is highly symbolic


again... u claim the Hebrew translations from which your bible was formed is useless.. well that should tell u enough about the latter.. so what you're trying to say is that the original language z garbage but the English translation is more authentic... pls wake up

And what you are trying to tell me is that the people who translated KJV and other credible versions were erratic.

Symbolic? And so is the daily news.

honourhim:



Friend, you are just doing abracadabra with the scripture just to frame up a torment that will not last forever. I have nothing to gain if people are tormented forever. I am just stating things how it is. No matter how scary the message may appear, it has to be delivered rather than trying to adulterate it.

Yes the bible said the dead in Christ are sleeping but they are also referred to as dead in the bible.
John 11;11-14
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.



The verses you quoted did not in any way explain the one i quoted, you just mixed things up. The explanation you gave to forever and ever is really funny. When it is forever and ever or eternal you start painting it as temporal but when it is destruction you dont paint, it becomes a one-off thing.

This issue has been argued over and over in this forum. We cant keep going round. Those who wants to give themselves false hope of temporary punishment can go ahead. The issue of our eternal destinations is what everyone must face (either heaven or hell). There is no unbeliever in hell fire. Anybody who finds himself there will not need to doubt it again.

the verses you're quoting about Lazarus are actually in my favour.. Jesus said he is dead.. why? because the disciples did not understand that when you die, you sleep.. so Jesus put it in their own understanding


concerning the fact of hell... i told you that if i wanted to twist the scripture i would quote verses supporting non existence after death like in Ecclesiastes. don't tell me I'm doing abacadabra with the scripture without giving proof.. if u claim hell us eternal conscious torment then try and translate the scriptures hinting ahnilation in the favour of your doctrine

u said my made up story of forever and ever is pointless... yet it was used in the bible 3 times to indicate 3 different things

1. 3 days-Jonah
2.10 years
3.till death..

I've forgotten the exact scripture but I'm sure of what I'm saying

also, revelation is the only book that talks of the forever and ever yet u fail to realise its highly symbolic.. if the forever and ever is literal then please link it with the verses i quoted instead of telling me I'm doing abacadabra...

MrPRevailer:


And what you are trying to tell me is that the people who translated KJV and other credible versions were erratic.

Symbolic? And so is the daily news.

so your point is that the people who translated sheol and gehenna as hell were 100% more correct than what was in the original

MrPRevailer:




And as for that verse you quoted out of context Isaiah 66:28 pls start reading from verse 15 down and you can see its talking about the final judgement of sinners. When the righteous will behold them suffering."

i actually read it and i didn't see anything talking about eternal torment.. words there describing the end of the wicked are “slain", “consumed" and “carcass"... so what exactly is your point

honourhim:




This issue has been argued over and over in this forum. We cant keep going round. Those who wants to give themselves false hope of temporary punishment can go ahead. The issue of our eternal destinations is what everyone must face (either heaven or hell). There is no unbeliever in hell fire. Anybody who finds himself there will not need to doubt it again.

so we actually choose where to spend eternity? doesn't that make the whole of Christ's teaching seem pointless since we already have eternal life and its just a matter of choosing where to spend it?
if we already have eternal life and just choose where to spend it that means verses like John 3:16, Ezekiel 18:4 and tons of other verses promising eternal life through Christ just pointless... later you'll say I'm twisting the scriptures... meanwhile it seems you're the one trying to twist it in your favour

raphieMontella:

its not reality..
The way presented by the book is ---impossible(if im to take the word of ''soul'')
the supposed testimonies have majorly been jokes...they dont even ''rhyme''...
Different people throwing in different things about the ''one'' place they visited...

exactly my problem with these near death experiences.. contrary to the popular belief, majority of nde experienced (globally don't hint a burning hell)..

also, how can different people give different descriptions of the same place? this guy tends to choose only the ones that favour his beliefs.. just as he chooses only the verses he thinks talk of eternal torment while ignoring the ones that talk of anhilation

honourhim:


Assuming what you said is true, tell me another fallacious belief that still has growing influence over millions of people across the globe for over these hundreds upon hundreds of years and still counting irregardless of several efforts that people like you have made over these years to wipe out this influence.

honourhim:


Assuming what you said is true, tell me another fallacious belief that still has growing influence over millions of people across the globe for over these hundreds upon hundreds of years and still counting irregardless of several efforts that people like you have made over these years to wipe out this influence.

they are a lot...
Islamic beliefs are an example(the niyab;a complete hijab or so)..
On hell..i think the belief in it is reducing..

while as of 2011 75 percent believed in hell

Wilgrea7:


exactly my problem with these near death experiences.. contrary to the popular belief, majority of nde experienced (globally don't hint a burning hell)..

yes true..i almost forgot..

also, how can different people give different descriptions of the same place? this guy tends to choose only the ones that favour his beliefs.. just as he chooses only the verses he thinks talk of eternal torment while ignoring the ones that talk of anhilation

the bolded..yes thats it..
Personally i see NDE's as proof that the brain is powerful...----Because it can be simulated/induced in the lab #magnetic,,electrical simulations of the brain(are we tricking God?)