MrPresident1:
Analice107, there is no literal furnace up there in the skies called hell fire where God burns people till eternity. This is not a good doctrine.

Hell is the absence of God. Heaven is the presence of God.

You Mr President are odd.

MrPRevailer:


MTHBOSS analice107

Hellfire is under the earth. Numbers 16:33.

There is only one place the sinner go and that is HELL. Wether you call it sheol or hellfire and have set your own personal interpretation for it. The bottom line is: it is a place of suffering and torment.

''And the smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.'' Rev 14:11

For those saying they will simply be destroyed and cease to exist, you can see it. 'They have no rest'.

Wether you call it hell, hellfire or sheol. The bottomline is it will be cast into the Lake of Fire, in the final Judgement of God.

''And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.'' Revelation 20:14

The Lake of Fire is perhaps a different world or planet filled with liquid fire and brimstone. What amazes me is how it can accomdate the trillions of demons and trillions of sinners since earth began. Do you know that the small red spot on planet Jupiter is 3 times bigger than planet Earth? Scientist also describe Jupiter as having no solid surface. It''s just ATMOSPHERE.
Hmm, while typing this, it made more sense when i remembered 'the bottomless pit' (Rev 9:2)

Hmmm.

analice107:

Ask him to tell you where God is.

Do you mean Yahweh cause i don't know the God you talking about there are many...

analice107:

Say something pls.

The hell doctrine has always been the most confusing part of Christianity for me. Fascinating and terrifying at the same time. Ever since I was little, it had always made me wary of my actions. I believe my high moral standard (even if I say so myself) was largely influenced by this fear of that place. As I grew older, I read every hell account I could lay my hands on; Mary Baxter, Angelica Zambrano, the Seven Colombian Youths etc. That was the extent of my 'obsession'.

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I remember the first time Jehovah's Witnesses tried to explain to me that there was no such place, I felt so relieved and badly wanted to believe them. I have seen that it's a fear I am yet to get over and probably never will. No matter how hard I try to rationalize it, I still come up short.

hopefullandlurd:


I known it's hard to believe

I don't trust them either

Bros greet your new monikers.
We are feeling u.

4everGod1:


was I talking to you? Why did you feel the pressing need to respond to a convo which was not directed at you?

you needed to make it a lot more subtle

it doesn't take a genius to know you're talking to me, not everyone is as dumb as you expected


now answer the query

did your discerning holy spirit tell you that?

4everGod1:



Do I need to answer your question when you clearly aint no genius in the art of stealth.

Enjoy your new Monikers..fist bump dem for me.

lol

the discerning abilities of any Nigerian that believes a Jewish carpenter died for his sins should not be taken serious

enjoy your conspiracy theories

Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

analice107:

You Mr President are odd.

Sweetheart, I plead guilty. Afterall Jesus Christ himself was called queer, or can we be angry with a child for resembling his father?

Sweetie, heaven is the presence of God, hell is the absense of God. When people die, they do not go to heaven or hell, they go to rest, and them reincarnate back into this world to enjoy or suffer thr fruit of their deeds. The Bible calls 'under the sun' the place of judgement. Accidents, untoward events, disasters etc., are all God's punishment, divine retribution for the sins of past life, and for some people the sins of this present life.

[quote author=hopefullandlurd post=50737518]Very touching story you have up there, not sarcasm, I'm being sincere

okay, let's get down to business



are you talking literally here or metamorphically?

if literal, I'm interested to know how Yahweh looks like and sounds like

if metamorphic, I'll like to know how he sounds like



your story also made me curious



when did Yahweh "get there"?

was he there after your leg(s) got crushed?

did he "get there" ahead of the accident? he's omnipresent, so he was definitely there ahead of time if that were anything to go by

Yahweh was there when the accident happened, he watched you as you stepped onto the path of a moving automobile (just giving illustrations but it could be apt), he watched your legs get crushed but quickly interfered when your life was at stake

it begs the obvious questions you've heard atheists ask many times in the past and present and I won't bother asking it here again but I'm sure you know those questions

Yahweh eventually made you walk again after 10 years of intense pain, depression, threat of amputation, deterioration of health, suicide thoughts, suicide preparation etc

within these 10 years, your parents would've gone through mental, psychological, emotional and financial pain; so would've your other loved ones too

it took your life being on the line again for your god to come to your aid

basically Yahweh can make almost any evil befall you except the type that would kill you


and how did your leg recover?

I remember, you promised Yahweh that you'll serve him for the rest of your life

he needed your vow that you'll lick his behind before he restored your legs and avoided amputation

and when you seemed to have forgotten your vow, Yahweh reminded you indirectly by getting you fired from every job you had after graduation; he made sure you didn't spend more than one year on each job

he always answers you when your life is on the line but doesn't do same for millions of others who follow through?

you should've tried killing yourself one week after the accident, don't you think? since he would've saved you 10 years of pain with his interference[/qphone

HopefulLandLord. I love you. I dont know what happened to you, but just know that i love you.

I didn't want to respond anymore to anyone, because i didn't want to start the fight going on in here, but i will say this to you.

AM GLAD I HAD THE ACCIDENT. AM GLAD IT LASTED THAT LONG. i wont know much of God as i do now if i didn't spent that quality time with him. I have a job to do for Him that requires absolute Trust and dependence on Him, if i was out there on my feet, i will be floating following my emotions thinking am following after God.

And yes, He didn't want me working for people who will cloud me and wont let me have time for Him. I never really apply for Jobs, the ones i had, i was called to go somewhere, just a phone call.

The first one, i was so late, by the time i got there the interview was long over. I didn't even prepare for an interview, because i didn't know there was an interview. I was asked to take my CV there.

By the i got it, everyone who came for the interview had gone. I was called in for what turn out a discussion. i was shown a huge file of applications. That same day, still on my home, i got a call to start work the next day.

HopefulLandlord. I didnt loose that Job. A year later someone asked me to take my CV somewhere else, i went out of about 23 persons interviewed for just one opening. I got the job. Better people with lots of experience were sent home. The Job paid theee times better than my precious.

I never went for that interview expecting to get the job, i had a job and liked where i was, but when i was called and told what i would earn if i took the job, i flipped. But it was a trap. All the days i worked in that place, my spirit wept. It was working for someone who hated God. If you hate God, keep your money.

Wen my employer got to know me, I knew i won't last there. Of course there wasn't any room to talk Christ, but i could feel the energy against me.

When i was relieved, i actually celebrated. immediately, a friend called a friend, till today i never even met that guy. His number was given to me, i called him, he directed me where to take my CV. I got the Job that very day.

I know why i lost that job. I lost that job to prepare for my missionary work.

You know nothing.

Today, My perceptions and perspective of things have totally changed. Now, what i want is to do His will, not mine. Today, my life, my talent, desires, everything is to serve him.

I will marry, not to gratify my flesh, but to focus and serve him. I'll have kids that i will raise to carry his name to the ends of the earth. I will make money to further His kingdom.

I don't belong to me, i belong to Him.

If you see me, you'd never believed i went through that ordeal. I walk straight, no limp. I still look great (am not haughty).

God took me through a school, a training, but preserved everything in me.

This happened very early in my life. i have gone back to school, got my degree. i have taken different professional courses. I have worked, stopped, registered my own company and doing business now, preparing for my Mission work.

I have lost nothing

Most of my mates who have their legs, who were all feeling sorry for me, i have passed them off now. Very soon, my wedding will be announced. what have i lost? Nothing.

My spiritual base is firm, physically am firm, what next is there?

I thank God for letting satan hit me, thinking he was destroying me. If only he knew i would become toughened for God today, he would have let me continue doing fine girl everywhere.

And you Mr HopefulLandlord, You can scorn, but your scorning is but noise. stay back and keep being scornful, Ana is flying high.

theoneJabulani:
can a loving father watch his daughter suffer for a day?

To you its suffer, to me its training.

analice107:
To you its suffer, to me its training.

Watever u call it ma