johnw74:


false accuser, you have done multiple post on Jehovah being the name of God,
whereas the subject is the meaning of Jehovah, oh running away one

false accuser, you have said more than once that Jehovah doesn't mean God, oh lying one



the adjective "self existent" describes Jehovah,
the noun "the self existent" is Jehovah, and Jehovah is God

Jehovah means the self existent
the self existrent means God
Jehovah means God. so simple, but not for the blinded.



God has different names with different meanings, He cannot be limited in any way, certinally not by the few meanings given in a dictionary.
We are dealing here with the self existent being the meaning of Jehovah



duh, we know Jehovah means Jewish national name of God
Jehovah also means the self existent, which is what I am discussing and what you keep running away from





Ha ha, the blind as a bat one accuses of confusion
you take after your god



2Co 4:3  But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 
2Co 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 

Rev_12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

achorladey:
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. The opposite of 'confusion' is 'order'. @brocab, Johnw74( I know you guys are in order). Arrange these words in increasing and decreasing order: Woman, christ, man, God. I am asking you this question because the same person that wrote 1 Corinthians 14:33 wrote 1 Corinthians 11:3.

achorladey:
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. The opposite of 'confusion' is 'order'. @brocab, Johnw74( I know you guys are in order). Arrange these words in increasing and decreasing order: Woman, christ, man, God. I am asking you this question because the same person that wrote 1 Corinthians 14:33 wrote 1 Corinthians 11:3.

Innocent77:
JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES BELIEVE & TEACH
1. THAT Jesus Christ (who is Michael the
Archangel in their doctrine) is mediator for only
a small, elite, group within their ranks called the
“anointed remnant”. Others must come to this
group who control the organization and earn
their salvation by absolute obedience to it.
2. THAT all religions except their’s are of Satan,
and your Pastor or Priest is under the Devil’s
control.
3. THAT the Watchtower Society is the only
source of truth on earth today, and all churches
teach error and will be destroyed at
Armageddon.
4. THAT the cross is a pagan symbol of sex
worship, and that all buildings or persons
displaying the cross are likewise pagan.
Jehovah’s Witnesses deny that Jesus died on the
cross. However, “new light” in the Watchtower
Magazine has admitted they are not certain
about the cross, but will continue to deny it
anyway.
5. THAT no one goes to heaven but 144,000
Jehovah’s Witnesses, and your soul will be
destroyed if you refuse to join their
organization.
6. THAT the Christ child was only an “IT”, not a
“HE”. See the New World Translation, Luke
2:16,17.
7. THAT Jesus was not the Christ (or Messiah)
until age 30, even though their own bible says in
Luke 2:11, “because there was born to you
today a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.”
8. THAT after Jesus was buried in the tomb,
Jehovah dissolved his body into gasses and it
disappeared forever.
9. THAT Jesus rose invisibly in three days, so
Jehovah had to “materialize” a fake body for
him complete with fake nail prints so His
disciples would believe it was really Jesus risen.
10. THAT Armageddon and Christ’s second
coming were foretold to happen in 1874, 1914,
1925 and 1975 by this “non-prophet”
organization.
11. THAT when Christ failed to show up in 1914
The Society claimed in later years that He had
come—invisibly—of course, and all Jehovah’s
Witnesses believe this today.
12. THAT Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob etc., were
to be back on earth as perfect humans in 1925.
The Society built a palatial home for them BUT,
when the patriarchs failed to show up, the
President of the Society moved in.
13. THAT their light gets “brighter and brighter”,
allowing for the many changes and “about
faces” on their doctrines. Yesterday’s error is
today’s “truth”. Often the “light” bounces back
and forth from old to new views and back again!
Does real light return to darkness?
14. THAT the Watchtower Society and its
followers are all prophets of God today and the
Governing Body is directed by angels from God.
15. THAT salvation for Society members
consists of doing the good works of placing
Watchtower books and magazines and winning
converts.
16. THAT soon Jehovah God will become a
GRANDFATHER and Jesus will be promoted to
“EVERLASTING FATHER”!
17. THAT Jehovah God is not omnipresent, but
still Almighty. Think! How can this be?
They have NOT BEEN TOLD —By the
leadership of the Society
1. THAT when they translated their New World
Translation of the Bible they deliberately altered
almost every scripture on the Deity of Christ, to
make him only a creature.
2. THAT the Society used a translation by a
SPIRIT MEDIUM, Johannes Greber, to support
their rendering of John 1:1 with full knowledge
that his sources were DEMONIC. Greber was
exposed in the Feb. 15/56 W.T. However in 1961
they released a translation based on his occult
one then denied they knew what they were
doing on page 31 of the Apr. 1, 1983
Watchtower!
3. THAT none of their “translating committee”
knew Biblical Greek or Hebrew. No scholars at
all.
4. THAT Fred Franz, who for many years
headed the Society, perjured himself under
oath in Scotland in a court trial, by saying he
could read Hebrew, and then failing a simple
Hebrew test.
5. THAT the following encyclopedias consider
the name “JEHOVAH” to be FALSE Merits Student
Enc.; Encyclopedia Americana; The Jewish
Encyclopedia; Encyclopedia International, The
Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible; The New
Catholic Encyclopedia; The Universal Jewish
Encyclopedia, etc.
6. Jehovah’s Witness’s own “Aid” book admits
on pages 884 & 885 that “Jehovah” was first
recorded by a Catholic monk about 700 years
ago!
7. THAT the date 1874 was taught for Christ’s
invisible presence by the Society until l929. (See
their book, “Prophecy”, p. 65. sold until 1941.
Also WT. Jan 1, 1924, p. 5.)
8. THAT top executives of the Society have
admitted under oath that they forced their
members to accept false prophecies or face
disfellowshipping and be found worthy of
death.
9. THAT true salvation is FREE (Ephesians 2: 8 &
9), and consists of receiving Christ as your
Savior. (John 1:12 , John 6: 28, 29).

achorladey:
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. The opposite of 'confusion' is 'order'. @brocab, Johnw74( I know you guys are in order). Arrange these words in increasing and decreasing order: Woman, christ, man, God. I am asking you this question because the same person that wrote 1 Corinthians 14:33 wrote 1 Corinthians 11:3.

solite3:
see excuse!

I never said the scripture contradicts itself stop lying!

It is you that said there are other gods besides Jehovah, when he said there is no one like him.

Did i refuse to explain? Here is the real explanation.
a god is a diety.

The word god can be used in the following ways

It can be used as a metaphor for rulers and powerful persons.

For example sons of God are called gods because they are great.
Another example is God making moses a god over pharaoh meaning moses was going to be made a powerful psrson in the eyes of pharaoh that pharaoh would fear moses.
Note: that it just a metaphor not to be taken literarily.
The second It can also be used to refer to deities that pagan worship.

1 Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

why did paul said that there are many gods?
Because paul was speaking of the gods that exist in this world not the true of real God.

Paul in the next verse said but to us there is one God even the Father.

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Those gods are not gods by nature!

Galatians 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

Jehovah said he is the only God there is no god besides him although other people may have other gods but israel had only one God, christians has only one God who is the true God.
Jehovah refers to himself as God meaning the real God.

the bible also said that the gods of the heathen are idols meaning vanity.

Psalms 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.

If Jesus has the nature of the true God does that not make Jesus the true God?

brocab:
Jehovah Witnesses falsely claim the bible removed YHWH' {Tetragrammaton} From the Old Testament.
The truth is, the JW's had added the divine name in the New Testament where it is never found in the original Greek Manuscripts, and blame the bible as being corrupted from the original where the YHWH was once found.
Rather then trashing their false doctrine, they trash the Bible.
It is obvious truth that the Jehovah Witnesses spell YHWH wrong as "Jehovah" is the fact that the "J" doesn't exist in Hebrew, Greek, or Latin, further the English language did not have the letter "J" before about 1500 AD. For example the very first addition of the KJV printed in 1611 AD CONTAINED NO "j".Not even one, instead the letter "I" for Jew Jesus, Joshua, John, Joanna.
In a stunning admission, Jehovah Witnesses tell us that the reason why they continual to use "Jehovah" instead of the correct spelling "Yahweh" is too be pleasing to Man-Not God.
One of the first things that JW new converts learn from their cultic Watchtower organisation, is a lie that all bibles is corrupt because they removed the tetregrammaton from the Old Testament. This sums it up pretty well..
Most JW's are so dismally mis-informed about the matter that they have an Idea how to even find the tetregrammaton in the original in Hebrew text of the Old Testament, much less then heard the item "Tetregrammaton"
What the JW's don't know is they are the ones who are truly guilty of adding the word of God, because of the New World Translation {The JW sectarian paraphrase they call a bible} Actually adds the word "Jehovah" in the New Testament 237 times where it is never found.
So the hard cold fact is that the New World Translation adds "Jehovah" into the New Testament 237 times where there is absolutely no ancient manuscripts evidence of any kind to support it.
I think this sizes it up pretty well..

johnw74:


lie lie dolphinheart


you are running away again changing the subject
duh yes Jehovah is a name for God, duh most know that

address my issues instead of twisting and changing the subject which is lying and deceit.


My subject as you know is "Jehovah means God", address what I have said on that and see if it's possible for you to stop lying.

ha ha we already know that is not possible, don't we


Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

achorladey:
@Brocab you expect me to disclose my details to you. Please, when has my details become the key to unlocking the sacred secret of God and the key to identify Jesus as the Almighty God? @brocab you don't need it. 2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. This is what you need @BroCab.

brocab:
The JW's did print the NKJV I did use for quite sometime, matter of fact I was reading the NKJV without knowing it didn't line up with the Word of God as the Old KJV does..
Only Seven times Jehovah was written in the Old Testament of the Old KJV {Genesis, Judges, and Psalms once, while it appears twice in Isaiah and Exodus} That's it, no other verses pronounces His Name. Not like your bible you have written Jehovah even in the New Testament.
"SATAN'S FINAL DECEPTION" The JW's printed the NKJV on their own pressers, by 1992 the Witnesses had produced 1,858,368 copies.
An interesting note that needs to be knowing, is that {Hebrews 9:15-20} in the NKJV lines up side by side with the New World Translation bible, lets look more into this and look at the doctrines dealing with Salvation the NWT and the NKJV both bibles line up.
The NKJV that was printed on the JW's pressers confuses people about salvation in {Hebrews 10:14} it replaces the original KJV "that are Sanctified" with "are being Sanctified"
In {1 Corinthians 1:18, and 2 Corinthians 2:15} The Words "may believe" Have been replaced "may continual to believe" in {1 John 5:13}
The Old straight and "Narrow" way of {Matthew 7:14} has become "difficult" Way in the NKJV.
The NKJV "gives no command to study Gods Word" nor does the NWT "gives no command" {2 Timothy 2:15}
KJV {Matthew 20:20} Then came to Him the Mother of Zebedee's children with Her son's, "Worshipping Him"
NKJV Came to Him "kneeling down".
A deadly translation indeed.
{Daniel 7:25} He will speak against the Most High and shall wear out the saints of the most High and think to change times and laws, and the Holy ones will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time..

johnw74:


false accuser, you have done multiple post on Jehovah being the name of God,
whereas the subject is the meaning of Jehovah, oh running away one

false accuser, you have said more than once that Jehovah doesn't mean God, oh lying one

the adjective "self existent" describes Jehovah,
the noun "the self existent" is Jehovah, and Jehovah is God

Jehovah means the self existent
the self existrent means God
Jehovah means God. so simple, but not for the blinded.[/quoted]
I do not support formulated personal theory, you have seen what they tell you about Jehovah, Jehovah himself tells you that that is his name!

[quote]God has different names with different meanings, He cannot be limited in any way, certinally not by the few meanings given in a dictionary.
We are dealing here with the self existent being the meaning of Jehovah

duh, we know Jehovah means Jewish national name of God
Jehovah also means the self existent, which is what I am discussing and what you keep running away from

Ha ha, the blind as a bat one accuses of confusion
you take after your god

2Co 4:3  But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 
2Co 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 

Rev_12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

johnw74:



Yes Jehovah does mean God, that's what I have been saying.




All of your lying, twisting, changing the subject and playing on words has you in a continual state of confusion.

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

dolphinheart:


OH MY! So the word "jehovah is present in the bible that you use, you say it's a wrong word, yet you use that bible! habA! why use a bible that inserted a silly word ?

A beg plus tell me, what is the Hebrew word that they translitered to jehovah? how many times does that word occur in your bible?

see how your lies is unravelling!, so the word jehovah is present in your bible!

achorladey:
@Brocab If you feel my last post is judgemental, it's your point of view not mine. I only want you to understand the fact, that, when issues are discussed please don't attack the personality. It's easy to say am judgemental but there is nothing bad for you aligning with those who call the JWs false JWs according to Johnw74. Concentrate your efforts in addressing the issues and proper application of the scriptures.
Finally, Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. I insist I don't need to disclose who I am. Every inch of the Bible I quoted so far I have not just strong but excellent believe in them.

achorladey:
@Brocab If you feel my last post is judgemental, it's your point of view not mine. I only want you to understand the fact, that, when issues are discussed please don't attack the personality. It's easy to say am judgemental but there is nothing bad for you aligning with those who call the JWs false JWs according to Johnw74. Concentrate your efforts in addressing the issues and proper application of the scriptures.
Finally, Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. I insist I don't need to disclose who I am. Every inch of the Bible I quoted so far I have not just strong but excellent believe in them.

achorladey:
@Brocab, @Johnw74 You belong to churches of the saints and yet you still need clue to ascertain who am I. When topical issues are discussed always stay in line.

dolphinheart:

Look at your own words :
You say Jehovah means the name of God but Jehovah doesn't mean God, ha ha

Did I ever say the above? NOOOOO!
SO I BEG YOU, STOP LYING AGAINST ME!


Yes Jehovah is God , a self existent God, but Jehovah does not mean God, Jehovah is the name of God, self existent does not mean God!

quote author=dolphinheart post=50894393]
Ithe is not an excuse, so many times did I have to take time to filter your posts, to remove my own words from your post, so many times did I have to quote you , only to find a blank page when I click on quote, I do not want to go through that stress again , after advising you so many times to solve and correct the way you post.

read, read statements properly and understand it, I don't see where I accused you about scripture contradiction in that post, I asked you a simple question, I wonder when questions turned to lies again.

It is not me that identified other gods, it's the scriptures, do you want me to show you again?
Yes there is no God like Jehovah!

1. provide the source of these your explanation , because it does not correspond with the general meaning of god!
2. I do not like personaly formulated definitions, only people who want to protect their lies do so
3. [quote]its good that you understand that others apart from Jehovah are called gods. now the issue is : are they gods or they are not gods! , the scripture say they are god's

gods that exist in this world in heaven? do you understand your statement at all?
[b]good that you call them gods, j[/b]ust like the scripture did!

Good that you know that the one god is the father, he is the one Jesus describes as our God, as his God, the head of Jesus!
That god(God of Jesus) is Jehovah the almighty who exalted Jesus, called Jesus his heir, gave him a name and sat him at his right hand!

[s]Good that you know that some are by nature gods while some are not gods by nature
[/s]

[left]1. who is the god of this world :
King James Version
2Co 4:4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.[/b

2. who are the gods that God has taken his place in the mist of?
[b]English Standard Version
God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:

3. why is Jehovah the most high god if there are no other gods he is higher than?

[s]yes we know that, and Jehovah does not sit in their midst!
[/s]

Is the God of this world an idol?

No! you have same nature with your father, it does not make you your father or equal to your father! YOU ARE TWO DIFFERENT BEING, JESUS SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, HE IS NOT THE GOD HE IS SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF.

achorladey:
@brocab I(achorladey) have never asked you to tell me where you belong. But since you now say you belong to church of the saint, that is very fantastic to hear. One sure thing I (achorladey) knows about the church of the saint is they dont serve a confusionist God but a God that is in order. Now answer the question in 1 Corinthians 11:3 I asked earlier on this thread. Please discern it like a spiritual man not like a physical man(which of the angel did he ever say you are my son).........brocab

solite3:
[ here you go again! I will skip this


did you see any contradiction in my post?


other gods that are false gods?
John17:3 has already render other gods apart from God as false. if there are other gods and yet only one is the true God even a 3yrs old will tell you they are false?

achorladey:
@Johnw74. I am not your teacher, you are correct on that. Concerning your assignment. I would love to pick Antichrist, but the JWs still do not meet the requirements of being an Antichrist as defined in 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Except you(Johnw74) show me other proof. From the scriptures above they are not Antichrist since the line of this discussion so far is purely based on the fact that the JWs don't recognise Jesus as the Almighty God. Now answer my questions. Have answered yours.

johnw74:


duh, you false jw supporter, don't seriously think you are my teacher do you?

achorladey:
@Johnw74. I am not your teacher, you are correct on that. Concerning your assignment. I would love to pick Antichrist, but the JWs still do not meet the requirements of being an Antichrist as defined in 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Except you(Johnw74) show me other proof. From the scriptures above they are not Antichrist since the line of this discussion so far is purely based on the fact that the JWs don't recognise Jesus as the Almighty God. Now answer my questions. Have answered yours.

dolphinheart:

what subject have I changed ,

dolphinheart:

have I deviated from showing you with proof that jehovah is the name of God ?

dolphinheart:

have I deviated from showing you with proof that Jehovah does not mean God. I did not have to alter or add to the proof, I did not have to redefine their explanations to arrive at an alternate explanation.

dolphinheart:

They told you the truth, Jehovah is the name of God, you saw the truth in the scriptures, Jehovah said " that is my name!. You checked your own dictionary, it tells you that Jehovah is the name of the Jews! yet you do not belief,

dolphinheart:

you prefer to alter it without proof that they said " Jehovah is the the name for God" cus you do not know the difference between "of" and "for".

dolphinheart:

Look at your own words :
You say Jehovah means the name of God but Jehovah doesn't mean God, ha ha

Did I ever say the above? NOOOOO!
SO I BEG YOU, STOP LYING AGAINST ME

dolphinheart:

that was a typo error and it has been modified, you have again started this your dubious method of erasing parts of a post you are responding to!
only dubious people do such