PHC1stBorn:
Will get back to u with full amour of faith

afanide:
your view has so many assumptions....

EyeHateGod:
One thing i know Jesus hate That's if he had Existed is Hypocrisy and Most Christians are Full of it...

Ranchhoddas:
Those standards are borderline ridiculous at first glance but I know there are many people who are living by those standards. Personally, even without the garment of religion and piety, I rarely engage in actions or speech that can be described as sins. The only thing I consider to be a problem would be a person's thoughts and I think with effort, one who is serious would be able to find a way...But those standards are high sha.

DeSepiero:


The standards are high that's why the contemporary Christians have invented the idea of "grace"

DeSepiero:


The standards are high that's why the contemporary Christians have invented the idea of "grace"

Ranchhoddas:
Those standards are borderline ridiculous at first glance but I know there are many people who are living by those standards. Personally, even without the garment of religion and piety, I rarely engage in actions or speech that can be described as sins. The only thing I consider to be a problem would be a person's thoughts

and I think with effort, one who is serious would be able to find a way...

But those standards are high sha.

oluwaseyi000:
has anyone ever thought of the fact that if Nigeria constitution/justice system is like God own, all Nigerians will simply be in life-jail

yet as bad as my country is: it never see me as jail worthy (I've never committed any serious offense)

it provides different levels of punishment to different level of offence and exempt minors from jail punishment

unlike God who will put a serial rapist, terrorist and murderer together with a fifteen year old who simply lie to her mother
threatened children with fire (my Sunday school teacher weekly obsession)

according to God constitution we and our corrupt politicians deserve same hell


God/Yahweh/Allah constitution and justice system is the most anti human and simply delusional

I don't understand why Christian pretend about this terrifying fact

Ranchhoddas:
Invented?

NinjaX:


The mind is the major source of concern here. I'm sure even science would have a hard time trying to explain the phenomenon regarding how the human mind works.



You are not serious, are you?



They are not just hight, but absurd as well.

NinjaX:


The mind is the major source of concern here. I'm sure even science would have a hard time trying to explain the phenomenon regarding how the human mind works.



You are not serious, are you?



They are not just hight, but absurd as well.

oluwaseyi000:
has anyone ever thought of the fact that if Nigeria constitution/justice system is like God own, all Nigerians will simply be in life-jail

yet as bad as my country is: it never see me as jail worthy (I've never committed any serious offense)

it provides different levels of punishment to different level of offence and exempt minors from jail punishment

unlike God who will put a serial rapist, terrorist and murderer together with a fifteen year old who simply lie to her mother
threatened children with fire (my Sunday school teacher weekly obsession)

according to God constitution we and our corrupt politicians deserve same hell


God/Yahweh/Allah constitution and justice system is the most anti human and simply delusional

I don't understand why Christian pretend about this terrifying fact

Ranchhoddas:
I don't think there's any part of the bible that suggests what you have implied- equal punishment regardless of level of misdeed. The only one I can think of right now suggests otherwise.

Ranchhoddas:
why would I be unserious? A lot of people; millions even are adhering to those 'absurd' standards.

author=NinjaX post=51619102]One of the greatest mystery of the century that man has yet to unravel is the big question of what happens after death.

This question is so mind-boggling that over the years it has been accorded different answers by people from various walks of life.

So far so good, none of the speculations has been confirmed as true. And since no-one has journeyed to the land of the spirits and successfully came back on evidence, I believe I can safely assert from a resolute postion that none hold claims to possession of such knowledge in this regard.

However, for the purpose of the thread, using the Christian religion as a yardstick, let's assume heaven does exist, likewise hell.

Therefore, if heaven really exist, the question follows that what then is the ticket a person must possess in order to become an eligible candidate?

Allow me to quote from the bible at this point.

Matthew 5:20
(King James Version)

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Summarily explaining the above verse, you must be RIGHTEOUS according to God's standard of righteousness.

According to the bible, righteousness is when one is absolutely devoid of sin. And sin can take any form - your physical actions, words and thought.

In conclusion, therefore, you must guard these 3 parts of you from sin so you can be sure of making heaven when the last trumpet sounds.

Now, here's why I believe it's more easier for me to jump into the air, visit the comfort station, have a short picnic and pen a short story while still in mid-air before landing, than for you to eschew sin completely.

I'll shift focus to the mind which is where thoughts are formed, because it is the most difficult of the three things I mentioned to put in check. My keen observation and findings have revealed that the mind, at no given point in time, can ever maintain a pure state in totality. You see a well-endowed damsel while plodding the streets, already you are having ideas. You see someone whom nature cheated facially, you say in your mind without speaking out, "damn! That guy is really ugly."

And. . . . . . . Even if you confess your sins away at church, new ones will take position almost immediately. Even before you breath your last on your death bed, you'd conceive wrong thoughts just in time before you die without wanting to. It's like a reflex action. You cannot hold it to a leash. It just happens. Unless of course you are an inanimate object, but then again, objects have no feelings at all.
It's like someone telling you to keep your eyes open yet instructs that you not look at anything. And then asks you, what do you see?
How does that sound?
"Kukuma" kill me already biko.

And this is close to what God requires from us. The sheer complication and complexity of it all. Trying to think this through can just drive a person insane.

ALSO, the biblical God exhibits a system of rule I'd like to term "arbitrary", where he solely determines the do's and don'ts.

Come to think of it, even emperors, kings, queens, rulers, in a fair system, are subject to the laws they use to govern their subordinates. If and when they (these rulers), fall short, they are confronted with those set laws.

But amazingly, It's forbiddingly not so in God's case. He's all supreme. You cannot challenge nor question his decisions. What he says is final. Yet God prides himself fairer than all.

Lastly, even though you somehow manage to scale through the hurdle of sin, which I think is a dead impossible feat to achieve, there's still the inescapable problem of the big bad guy having to conclude your final fate.

My dear ladies and gentlemen, the above reasons are why I strongly suggest that we do away with the thought that heaven is "makeable".

It's either this Christian God never wanted us to share his paradise with him in the first place, or he's plain confused, or we are his little experiment to fight boredom, or it's high time we started acknowledging that everything about the Christian religion is indeed what it rightly is - nothing more than a fictitious sensational tale intended to thrill but was rather badly written.

Ranchhoddas:
I don't think there's any part of the bible that suggests what you have implied- equal punishment regardless of level of misdeed. The only one I can think of right now suggests otherwise.

EyeHateGod:

You mean hell fire has Different levels?

NinjaX:


Are you residing in their minds for you to say they are adhering to those standards?

You must be the Jagang of our time to opine such.

oluwaseyi000:

pls I beg you, tell me the one think of right now

Ranchhoddas:
How did you arrive at this from my posts?

Ranchhoddas:
I don't think there's any part of the bible that suggests what you have implied- equal punishment regardless of level of misdeed.

Ranchhoddas:
Revelation 22: 12. Now tell me yours.