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Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by emmasege: 9:31pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
Here's my philosophy about heaven: If God's as holy as I think and I must be as holy as He is like the Bible says, then anybody can miss heaven but if He's as merciful as i think and as the Bible says, then anybody can make heaven. 2 Likes |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Daddyleonard: 9:31pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
Na d way u c ham. |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Nobody: 9:34pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
I have been a Christian, muslim agnostic, atheist.. . I have Shown interest and practice Buddhism to some extent. I am Yoruba in a typical African setting. I have SEEN men who can not be wounded by merchet, thru traditional juju. .. I can only conclude that there is actually no Wrong or right way of religion or a best way either. Christian, muslims they all attribute what THEY THINK OF GOD. it doesn't actually mean it true cos God does not actually speak for himself(literally) . He is not a MAN. In my best view I see God as an erratic Supreme nature. True religion just connect us to our innermost knowledge of our believe(whatever God or which ever way you choose to know God). I am a Christian and I hardly hold the heaven n hell ideology YET, in subject to my present knowledge n opinion. I think religion is just the life you choose. Criticise God the way you want through any religion, God doesn't even care. He didn't create any religion in the first place. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Nobody: 9:34pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
foladara777: Who cares about responding to you. Do you think your comment even deserves a response when you are in self denial? 1 Like |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by foladara777(m): 9:37pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
GreyLaw:Wow... Perfection?? So it doesn't matter what good you do... As long as u make a mistake and don't have the chance to repent, it's hell. Mean while, a serial killer and rapist will go to heaven if he gives his life to Jesus one second before his death, even without doing any good deeds?? |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by dhardline(m): 9:37pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
NinjaX I really just wanted to read thru and move on to other topics but felt an urge to drop one or two words here. First you are absolutely right when you said nobody can completely overcome sin for even the Holy Bible states that 'only the sick have need of a physician' so if at any point a Christian claims that He has fully overcome sin then he no longer has need of Christ Jesus. A true Christian believes in Christ Jesus - Christ's righteousness is our righteousness cause we have no righteousness of our own, Christ strength is our strength because we have no strength of our own. There are things you should know about Christianity and one of them is that repentance can not save anyone, if it could then there was no need for Christ to come to the world and die- remember John the baptists preached repentance. But repentance is just the first step, the conscious effort you make not to sin leads you into what is called the crises of the school master(see Roms 6)that crises is a terrible burden to bear cause now you must have tried all that you can in your own strength to do what is right, not to sin and be holy but you notice that the more you try the more you fail at this point only can one completely believe when he is told to just believe in Christ Jesus and he will be saved. Then you cry out to Jesus and your salvation comes (and yes you will know it has come cause you will feel that burden lifted and those things that you struggled to avoid becomes as easy as ABC. This is justification then comes the 3rd part which is sanctification which continues till death. P. S. I just ran thru, these topics are very expansive. But he who is sincere and willing to serve God and not easily satisfied with little knowledge will come. To know this things. And remember In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.this word is Christ Jesus the light of the world. 2 Likes |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by iglimen: 9:39pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Nobody: 9:39pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
no one will force you to believe that God exist or heaven is real, serve whatever you like including yourself. God ways and works is beyond human comprehension and understanding. awamaridi , Olodumare, Akoda Aye , Oba Aseda, Akoko orun oun aye, Kabiosi, Emi awon woli , ofi aye se apoti etise lasan, Olorun agbaye. mo fi ogo fun o. 1 Like |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Nobody: 9:40pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
foladara777: Until you actually become Omniscient then can you speak. Right now you are trying to rationalize a God who dwells in eternity and knows the end from the beginning when you cannot even determine what would happen to you in the next 2 minutes. Engage your mind and brain in things that are more your speed. |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Umukor(m): 9:40pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
Thats ur own opinion i wont fight u bro |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Funkybabee(f): 9:42pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
my God is a merciful God nobody can just person due to his or her character except God |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by foladara777(m): 9:42pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
4everGod:So this comment is not a response to me?? Stop disgracing yourself... It's a simple question... Can u justify?? If u can't, just ignore and pretend you didn't see the comment... Even with your twisting and turning, u and your naija friend can't justify this |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by thatcbnguy(m): 9:43pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
All i can say is... "better to live like there's God (or heaven in this case) only to find out there isn't than to live like there is no God(or heaven) only to realise there's One" |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by paradigmshift(m): 9:44pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: my guy you Good.I read am from start to finish. that guy just dey argue with him feeling... more knowledge bro...u bam. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by foladara777(m): 9:47pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
4everGod:I don't need to be omniscient to know that it's unfair and unjust to punish a very good person with fire because of a single lie and then pardon a serial killer and rapist because he now believes in me... If I know this, how come the omniscient and the benevolent god doesn't know this 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Nobody: 9:50pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
foladara777: Justify what? Am i God? What you should rather contemplate on is this, Why would someone serve God all the days of His life with all seriousness and humility and still sin at the end? That means that person was not as serious as he acted or was thought to be and this was why Jesus said in Luke 9:62 Anyone that puts his hand on the plough and looks back is not fit for the kingdom. This shows he or she has been knowledgeable all along and the bible says in the days of ignorance God winked but now commands he everyone to repent. You cannot justify going to school and getting a PHD yet reasoning like a 5yr old. Thats absolutely ridiculous so whoeever does that would be seen as wasting all his years as he never learned anything. If another confesses and accepts Christ on his death bed after years off sin then glory be to God because it was for such that Jesus Came. That person just fulfilled scripture and proved the death of Jesus for him was not in vain. I know you would still call my comment rubbish or any other depravity that pops into your head but that one na for your pocket. Focus on things that are more your speed. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by FavoredGuy: 9:50pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
O boy! This Op get too much time. My problem is that since I finished my final year exam, I honestly find it difficult to even read signboards/signposts, not to talk of this kind of loooong post that will definitely raise argument between those who concur and those who don't concur with the Op. So someone should help me read it and comment on my behalf please. God bless Nigeria. |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Nobody: 9:51pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
Whoever invented christianity must be the greatest con man of all time. 2 Likes |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Laredojohn(m): 9:51pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
The OP has made very salient points I also think this way atimes, that can anybody be 100% without blemish in words,thoughts and actions I doubt, Even some people who will claim righteous, their first thought seeing the topic, will be like these guys who do not believe in God have come again, which already translates to a sin, and as said, sin is sin, no big sin, no small sin, I also try to figure out those who died before religion or christianity was introduced to Nigeria, where their souls will go, there are a lot questions that do not have answers....even right in the house of God where the same scripture tells us to pray for our enemies is said, the next min another prayer is going forth to bind, kill and scatter them, all I see is we should just play our part, those most people reverence soo much as most holy, have their own sins they are battling with...may God help and open our eyes to always do our best to please his ways. Amen 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by fortunechy(m): 9:52pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
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Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Carmal90(m): 9:52pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
SycophanticGoat: U are displaying d madness in ur family publicly |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Israeljones(m): 9:57pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
I Am never a saint my self but i think his GRACE should be the response to your write up God himself knows it will be sometimes very hard to work in his path everytime thats why his Grace is there for us to exploit...since yu are an anglican...yu shud seek more digup it will help yu |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by paradigmshift(m): 9:57pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: lmao...no waste your time with am.... |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Nobody: 9:57pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
deathcomestoall:.... 1 Like
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Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by foladara777(m): 9:58pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
4everGod:Wait, we are not talking about backsliding... We are talking about sinning by mistake... E.g. anger, lust, bad thoughts that everyone has but the person has no chance to seek for forgiveness or is there anyone who it is impossible for him to sin??.. Does that type of person deserve to burn eternally, when a person like Shekau strolls into heaven after repenting one second before his death?? So a person who makes a mistake proves that the death of Jesus over him was in vain?? After doing charity, winning souls... 1 Like |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by xerxes456(m): 9:58pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
NinjaX:short sightedness... the things of the spirit is so big for the normal human mind to understand, God is spirit and they that serve him must do so in truth and in spirit, not in human mind and logical thinking... So guy you can never understand until you're ready to understand in submission to God's spirit, if you like read Bible like novel from front to back, until you submit to the Spirit of God, nothing for you... |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by davisdboss: 9:59pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
naijadeyhia:I still wonder how people will go to heaven when the church of God is disintegrated... haha you talk ill of catholic and talk ill of Anglican when you where instructed not to judge hahaha 1 Like |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Nobody: 9:59pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
foladara777: Do you think it is right to release a mass murderer or a mass rapist from jail? choose one Do you think it is right to forgive someone who rapes your wife or to forgive someone who killed your child? Do you think its right to sentence a law enforcement officer who served in law enforcement faithfully for 30yrs of his life yet planned and committed murder while in the force? Your answers would help our discussion |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Xync(f): 10:00pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
Well, do something meaningful today. Check my signature |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by Nobody: 10:01pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
foladara777: There is no such thing as a sin by mistake. Everyones action begins with a thought! We speak or act our thoughts. There is always a premeditation prior to action. Anyone who sins had time to first think about it. |
Re: Why I'm Convinced That No One Will Make Heaven, Be You A Christian Or A Pagan by paradigmshift(m): 10:02pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
SycophanticGoat: have never seen them open a topic for Islam ,am sure they don't have any valid point to share...so many atheist and Muslim in here 1 Like |
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