petra1:

Do you believe in giving God an offering

Yhs 1 Cor. 16:1

petra1:
No need for insult

You're desperately so predictable
When was and where was the insult?

petra1:
Just deal with your bible references

It's you who needs to deal with your bible references
because you were asked:
Do you have any other bible verse(s) except for Luke 11:42 witnessing
and corroborating this delusion of yours that Jesus encouraged tithing?
Like I said earlier, I dont think you'll have.

petra1:
If you can call a scripture open before the world as evidence a delusion why do i need to give another

Kikikikiki. Ice will form in hell before you'll ever get round to giving a non-existent another which will corroborate Luke 11:42

petra1:
Deal with the one before you first

Me? Deal with a wild goose chase?. I can't do that. Thank you

Junia:


Yhs
1 Cor. 16:1

Are you afraid to answer? Just be honest . Answer Yes or no

petra1:

Are you afraid to answer? Just be honest . Answer Yes or no

I thought i said yes and gave a reference to my giving

Some Christians and stupidity are like sesame twins.

Stupidity is when you think to give to God is to give to your pastor, rather than the poor,the church and the society.

Stupidity is when you think giving to the church is the same as giving to the pastor to become wealthy at the expense of his followers.

Stupidity is when you think God really needs your help through tithe.The essence of tithe is to help your self(through more blessings from God),the church and humanity,a sort of wealth redistribution. GOD is above tithe!!!!!!




Jesus never acquired wealth through tithe.

Only an idiot does not know that the pastors of today acquir wealth through tithes!


Any tithe that does not majorly go to the church,the needy and the poor is a Scam!

The pastor is only a fractional part of the church,neither is he God.

Therefore,giving tithe to the church or GOd is not the same as giving tithe to your pastor!

The pastor should only enjoy a fractional part of tithes,a sort of welfare package.

A pastor could be likened to an employee of the church,therefore, any pastor that is richer than the church, is a scammer,a thief!

BERNIMOORE:
Ah, One pastor DeKen Says that Melchizedeck who collect 'spoils of war which was stollen treasure' means that he collected tithe, But he failed woefully to tell us 'that tithe for Gods people was to be 'war spoils' of 'increase of ones income or farm produce''

I'm not a pastor. You don't need to bear false witness against anyone to say your mind. That you have a different opinion or understanding does not require taking things personal.
If by discussing the word of God makes one a pastor, then you must be a Pastor too. Respect the title and behave accordingly.

I am a Christian and am worried how teachings on tithes are suddenly becoming issues. We should learn to follow examples of our Lord Jesus, the one who intercedes for us before God (after all we are called Christians because of Christ's mediation). He didn't condemn tithing because His father recommended it for that tribe that has no inheritance. What makes a Christian? fellowship, love and sharing as exemplified by the apostles. From the statement of our Lord, it's not the important issue, even though he hadn't resurrected as at the time He made that statement. Christians that have been engaging in that weren't coerced to do so, they did it because they saw it as a means for the propagation of the gospel. It only becomes a concern when pastors quote scriptures from the prophets and law as if that preaches the new covenant. I am not against "tithing". God will definitely reward cheerful givers. Sad enough I heard something unusual in service today about the fact that non-tithers will not inherit the kingdom of God. Where in the Bible did our Lord make such statements? Didn't He say being born again (reborn by His Spirit and forsaking sin) is the only way. There's a need for some of our preachers to watch what they say when they preach. Just because you are anointed doesn't mean you should add to what God hasn't said or remove from it, adding to your wrath on judgement day.

Junia:
I thought i said yes and gave a reference to my giving

Mark my words and watch him,
because he's going to come back with a bible version of 1 Corinthians 16:1 that incorrectly translates the word ''collection'' as offering
and then excitedly say gotcha, offering is not redundant etcetera

MuttleyLaff:
Mark my words and watch him,
because he's going to come back with a bible version of 1 Corinthians 16:1 that incorrectly translates the word ''collection'' as offering

Ok since we are learning tell me the difference

Junia:
OK since we are learning tell me the difference

A leopard can't/doesn't change its spots
Since the leopard wont come clean about the difference, your wish is my command

Collection, which is NT, is collecting of money, as in taking contribution for gospel purposes and the cause of God's work

Offering as was in OT, are the five Levitical Offerings,
which are the burnt offering, the meal offering, the peace offering, the sin offering and the trespass offering.

Incidentally each of the offerings or sacrifices were uniquely fulfilled in Jesus Christ, so we dont have the need to offer or do them

MuttleyLaff:
A leopard can't/doesn't change its spots
Since the leopard wont come clean about the difference, your wish is my command

Collection, which is NT, is collecting of money, as in taking contribution for gospel purposes and the cause of God's work

Offering as was in OT, are the five Levitical Offerings,
which are the burnt offering, the meal offering, the peace offering, the sin offering and the trespass offering.

Incidentally each of the offerings or sacrifices were uniquely fulfilled in Jesus Christ, so we dont have the need to offer or do them

Okay
I also thought the name was used interchangeably and meant the same thing
I just read about offering in the law and i have noticed there is a difference
Now when im giving i will tell God that it is my portion of the collection and not offering

Junia:


I thought i said yes and gave a reference to my giving

You didn't say yes . I take it that you said yes . If you believe in giving offering . Was it not an institution under the law as well ? Why the attack on tithes only ? If we must follow your theology we should never give to God . We should not even obey God . Because obedience to God was an institution under the law. You can see the point. Tithes an offerings were by same principles . You can't take one and leave the other .

petra1:

You didn't say yes . I take it that you said yes . If you believe in giving offering . Was it not an institution under the law as well ? Why the attack on tithes only ? If we must follow your theology we should never give to God . We should not even obey God . Because obedience to God was an institution under the law. You can see the point. Tithes an offerings were by same principles . You can't take one and leave the other .

Obedience is a law .. Yes
But in the new covenant .. we are to love our neighbours as ourselves and love God also
That is our commandment under grace
We are not to obey anything in the law
And if you obey the commandment under grace
You will certainly obey God to proof your love
No tithe .. no offering but Collection



Going to bed
Lets continue later
God bless you

DeKen:

Numbers 18:21-30Amplified Bible (AMP)

21 “Behold, I have given the Levites all the tithe in Israel as an inheritance, in return for their service which they perform, the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle). 22 The Israelites shall never again approach the Tent of Meeting [the covered sanctuary, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies], or they [who do] will incur sin and die. 23 Only the Levites shall perform the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle), and they shall bear their iniquity; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that the Levites shall have no inheritance [of land] among the children of Israel. 24 But the tithe of the Israelites, which they present as an offering to the Lord, I have given to the Levites as an inheritance; therefore I have said to them, ‘They shall [a]have no inheritance among the children of Israel.’”

the bold part is only valid as long as the law still exists...and as long as dere r still "levites" and a "physical temple".....do u still partake in burnt offerings cos Dats also "a statute forever throughout your generations"....

openmine:


the bold part is only valid as long as the law still exists...and as long as dere r still "levites" and a "physical temple".....do u still partake in burnt offerings cos Dats also "a statute forever throughout your generations"....

Tithes and offerings are eternal principles . There's a temple in heaven . And in the new world there will be offerings

Junia:

Obedience is a law .. Yes
But in the new covenant .. we are to love our neighbours as ourselves and love God also
That is our commandment under grace
We are not to obey anything in the law
And if you obey the commandment under grace
You will certainly obey God to proof your love

The law reveals Gods principle . The law is a documentation of rights and wrongs . Knowledge of such is important.

No tithe .. no offering but Collection

And what is the collection called? No bi offering?

petra1:
You didn't say yes. I take it that you said yes.

When he said, yes, that was in reference believing in giving collection

petra1:
If you believe in giving offering. Was it not an institution under the law as well ? Why the attack on tithes only? If we must follow your theology we should never give to God. We should not even obey God. Because obedience to God was an institution under the law. You can see the point. Tithes an offerings were by same principles. You can't take one and leave the other.

He is having neither of tithes or offerings

Collection, which is NT, is collecting of money, as in taking contribution for gospel purposes and the cause of God's work

Offering as was in OT, are the five Levitical Offerings,
which are the burnt offering, the meal offering, the peace offering, the sin offering and the trespass offering.

Incidentally each of the offerings or sacrifices were uniquely fulfilled in Jesus Christ, so we dont have the need to do any of the offerings
On Calvary, Jesus is our Peace Offering, is our Guilt or Sin Offering, is our Burnt Offering, is our Trespass Offering and Meal Offering

MuttleyLaff:
Mark my words and watch him,
because he's going to come back with a bible version of 1 Corinthians 16:1 that incorrectly translates the word ''collection'' as offering
and then excitedly say gotcha, offering is not redundant etcetera

You have good memory. But don't try to biase the purity of another mans conscience. Let him seek truth for himself . And don't try to win argument. Seek truth and Let truth Prevail

petra1:
And what is the collection called? No bi offering?

Unfortunately no

petra1:
You have good memory

The glory goes to God

petra1:
But don't try to biase the purity of another mans conscience.
Let him seek truth for himself. And don't try to win argument. Seek truth and Let truth Prevail

He has been doing the Berean all along and already

He knows the truth, and is broken free from the shackles of tithe marketeers

MuttleyLaff:
When he said, yes, that was in reference believing in giving collection
He is having neither of tithes or offerings

Kindly allow him to speak for himself . It's evident you're putting words in his mouth.

Collection, which is NT, is collecting of money, as in taking contribution for gospel purposes and the cause of God's work

And was the collection not an offering ?

Offering as was in OT, are the five Levitical Offerings,

Prayer was in OT also ,fasting was OT . Likewise honoring thy father and mother .

which are the burnt offering, the meal offering, the peace offering, the sin offering and the trespass offering.

You missed the wave offering ,heave offering .

Incidentally each of the offerings or sacrifices were uniquely fulfilled in Jesus Christ, so we dont have the need to do any of the offerings
On Calvary, Jesus is our Peace Offering, is our Guilt or Sin Offering, is our Burnt Offering, is our Trespass Offering and Meal Offering

Offering as an institution will always be part of worship of God. Old ,new and future dispensation

MuttleyLaff:
The glory goes to God

He knows the truth, and is broken free from the shackles of tithe marketeers

Then he has right to excercise his conviction without being a spoke mouth of another or another acting as his mouth piece

CecyAdrian:


I believe what I read in the bible and not what some Rabbi who obviously was trying to defend his source of income.

It's there in the bible white and black, God is not the author of confusion.

I think reasonable person will take you black christian more seriously than a Rabbi who is into the jewish traditions ( the issue of tithes being a jewish tradition)

the jews have made it clear that Tithes are for the Levites because they owned no lands and were mainly priests, your pastors are not levites but black men


Christianity is a fraud!

OlaoChi:
I think reasonable person will take you black christian more seriously than a Rabbi who is into the jewish traditions ( the issue of tithes being a jewish tradition)

the jews have made it clear that Tithes are for the Levites because they owned no lands and were mainly priests, your pastors are not levites but black men

Christianity is a fraud!

Abraham wasn't a Jew . Tithes and offerings are kingdom principles

petra1:
Kindly allow him to speak for himself. It's evident you're putting words in his mouth

Please for a moment, be at least honest, as I have not said any word(s), he hasnt previously or already said

petra1:
And was the collection not an offering?

SMH. If I say you're incorrigible, you'll interpret it as insult

petra1:
Prayer was in OT also, fasting was OT. Likewise honoring thy father and mother

SMH

petra1:
You missed the wave offering, heave offering

If I say you're now being pedantic, you'll interpret it as insult

petra1:
Offering as an institution will always be part of worship of God. Old, new and future dispensation

Offerring what gangan?

petra1:


So you only prefer translations that speaks your mind

Question should be "why the addition"?

MuttleyLaff:
Please for a moment, be at least honest, as I have not said any word(s), he hasnt previously or already said

SMH. If I say you're incorrigible, you'll interpret it as insult

Just exercise spiritual fruit. It's a discussion. Not a fight . You wan fight for God?

If I say you're now being pedantic, you'll interpret it as insult

You mustn't speak if there nothing to say. Just study your bible .

Offering what gangan?

Whatever you give to God or in his name is an offering .

freshcvvs:


Question should be "why the addition"?

Addition of what? Other translations? So which one of them do you prefer? Kjv or rsv

petra1:
Then he has right to excercise his conviction without being a spoke mouth of another or another acting as his mouth piece

You got jokes, I tell ya.

MuttleyLaff:
Unfortunately no

You're wrong. Even Paul himself called it offering

Acts 24:17 (KJV Strong's)
17 Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings.

petra1:
Just exercise spiritual fruit. It's a discussion

and demolishing arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God

petra1:
Not a fight. You wan fight for God?

Here we go again, you going off on a very nice divergence

petra1:
You mustn't speak if there nothing to say. Just study your bible

SMH. If you practice what you preach, you shouldnt have mentioned heave and wave offerings, when you had nothing to say
because if you did do a proper study of your bible, you would have realised that heave offerring is closely associated with the burnt offerings, meal offerings
and that wave offerring is closely associated with peace offering

petra1:
Whatever you give to God or in his name is an offering

Your sense of entitlement to filthy lucre betrays you.
A leopard can't/doesn't change its spots,
when you say ''Whatever you give to God or in his name is an offering'', to you, the ''whatever'' in there, is cash, ego or money
preferably in Pounds Sterling, Dollars or Euros

petra1:
You're wrong. Even Paul himself called it offering

Acts 24:17 (KJV Strong's)
17 Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings

So Paul went to the Temple the next day with the other men.
They had already started the purification ritual,
so he publicly announced the date when their vows would end and sacrifices would be offered for each of them
- Acts 21:26

The Nazarite Vow
¹⁸The Nazirite shall then shave his dedicated head of hair at the doorway of the tent of meeting,
and take the dedicated hair of his head and put it on the fire which is under the sacrifice of peace offerings.
¹⁹The priest shall take the ram's shoulder when it has been boiled, and one unleavened cake out of the basket
and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them on the hands of the Nazirite after he has shaved his dedicated hair.
²⁰'Then the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD.
It is holy for the priest, together with the breast offered by waving and the thigh offered by lifting up;
and afterward the Nazirite may drink wine.
- Numbers 6:18-20

Why dont you try pulling my other leg. What is Paul calling offering here?
I bet you want to say money, cash, kudi, etcetera, abi?

For reasons best known to you, you are either playing being ignorant here or behaving in an untrustworthy or deceitful way

Acts 21:26 and Numbers 6:18-20 above blows this wide open,
and I wonder why you didnt notice Acts 24:18, where you easily would have found that Paul was mentioning being in a temple over a Nazarite Vow because the temple hasn't yet been destroyed.

The “offerings” were the sacrifices which the Apostle was about to offer on the completion of the Nazarite vow with which he had associated himself.
- Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

And offerings - The word used here properly denotes "an offering or gift" of any kind; but it is usually applied to an oblation or offering made to God in the temple - "a thank-offering, a sacrifice." This is probably its meaning here. He came to bring aid to his needy countrymen, and an offering to God; and it was, therefore, no part of his purpose to interfere with, or to profane the worship of the temple.
- Barnes' Notes on the Bible